Author Topic: A fresh look at the Clem motor (Read 21167 times)

onepower · « **Reply #60 on:** April 12, 2023, 05:45:41 PM »

The large amount of disinformation and misunderstanding is what holds many back...

Here are some good resources,
http://www.rexresearch.com/clemengn/clemeng.htm
http://www.rexresearch.com/schaub/schaub.htm

AC

TommeyReed · « **Reply #61 on:** April 12, 2023, 08:15:49 PM »

Hi onepower,

I read just about everything I could get my hands on, about the Clem engine, many if not most of those design where made up.

The cone was never used I new this from the start, but people keep pushing it.

The 7 stage piston pump could be the main part of the system. I was using gear pumps in my testing and realize this was not the best pump for this project. Wear is s big factor, and pressure drop.

When I did some high pressure test, there were cavitation internal explosion occurring coming from the jets outlets. Like a small gun going off.

One important fact using just hydraulic oil, it got very dark while running a few prototypes and settle to the bottom but was not iron from the metal. More like carbon ash, almost like something was burning inside the system.

Cooking oil worked very well at higher pressure, not the same burning effect as hydraulic oil. But over night when it cool down, it turn into a thick grease when it was mixing with air.

The Clem engine would have to be a closed loop if cooking oil was used, the cavitation of micro bubbles could still occur.

As for size, this also matters. You still have to get torque and rpm's to do any type of mechanical work.

Again, I'm not calling myself a expert, I just have years of experience building many prototype dealing the the Clem Engine theories.

Tom

onepower · « **Reply #62 on:** April 12, 2023, 11:31:56 PM »

Hey Tommey
It's important to understand there are time lines and a learning curve involved with the process of invention.

In the pictures below we can see Viktor Schauberger started with a spiral cone shaped device supposedly similar in form to the oil pump Clem discovered self-running. However the later designs of both Schauberger and Clem look very similar in form to a torque converter. The descriptions are also very similar speaking of rotating spiral channels, moving fluids and exit nozzles.

There is another possibility I think we both understand as maker/inventors. As Einstein implied, the secret to creativity is knowing when to hide our sources. Many inventors never invented anything and heard about a technology, were involved with others or it was given to them. For example, Alfred Hubbard was not an inventor and he was supposedly a 16 year old busboy for Nikola Tesla who gave the technology to him. So we could ask, did Clem invent this machine or did he read about something or was it given to him and the whole story about a self-running tar pump made up?. So everything must be taken with a grain of salt.

As well, in the literature there are many other similar devices/phenomena which used oil, oil and water, water, water and air, steam, steam and water as well as water with any number of substances added to it. Viktor Schauberger spoke of adding minerals and/or "carbones" ie. hydrocarbons to his water to enhance the effect.

I like your video's, right or wrong there pretty cool and creative. I was raised on a farm and built/fabricated almost everything just because I could, still do. I look at some of the cheap stuff people try to sell and think I can do better and give it a go. If nothing else, it's one hell of a hobby and you never know...

AC

TommeyReed · « **Reply #63 on:** April 13, 2023, 12:55:53 AM »

Hi onepower,

I agree, but even those claims are questionable when nobody has a video of a working model.

I think research is very important, I seen some people talk about physics and lots of pictures. The real way of learning is just build it and be willing not to stop.

Some even talk about not using math, yet try building a dog house without basic math.

We have thousand of designs that claim to be OU, we also have experts in many fields in this forum that try to duplicate these builds.

I believe 99% of these claims are just that, yet nobody has yet copy a single OU device yet.

I tested the Clem engine theories, none of them created more energy output vs input.

But have seen the phase change needed to push it beyond OU.

Tom

aussiebattler · « **Reply #64 on:** April 13, 2023, 02:49:21 AM »

Quote from: TommeyReed on April 13, 2023, 12:55:53 AM

Hi onepower,

I agree, but even those claims are questionable when nobody has a video of a working model.

I think research is very important, I seen some people talk about physics and lots of pictures. The real way of learning is just build it and be willing not to stop.

Some even talk about not using math, yet try building a dog house without basic math.

We have thousand of designs that claim to be OU, we also have experts in many fields in this forum that try to duplicate these builds.

I believe 99% of these claims are just that, yet nobody has yet copy a single OU device yet.

I tested the Clem engine theories, none of them created more energy output vs input.

But have seen the phase change needed to push it beyond OU.

Tom

Yes Tommy
With such a gathering of intelligence that we have here, wouldn't you think that somebody among us would be able to overcome the laws of physics

TommeyReed · « **Reply #65 on:** April 13, 2023, 03:09:26 AM »

aussiebattler,

It seems you're an expert in physics, so I would expect you to build a OU device very soon.

Physics has lots of mathematical formulas, anyone can can find them and duplicate the outcome of a formula.

But nobody can duplicate past OU claims, no matter what formula they add to it. Let me ask you directly, why not?

It seems everyone wants free energy, but look at solar that produce energy while the sun is out and they won't except this as free. Why not Mr expert?

It seem like a fantasy trip you are on, yet nothing to show. They call this BS!

I won't expect you will solve the Over Unity question very soon, it's seem you're more of hot air then proving a fantasy dream.

Good day!

Tom

aussiebattler · « **Reply #66 on:** April 13, 2023, 03:20:10 AM »

Tom
tut tut
Where did I say anything about OU?
Free energy yes -just like solar and wind -sourced from the sun (ambient reheats chilled oil)
Merry Christmas
ab

TommeyReed · « **Reply #67 on:** April 13, 2023, 05:24:18 AM »

So AB,

"To date experimenters may have been looking in the wrong direction when trying to replicate the Clem motor. Perhaps it is expedient to consider what Richard Clem saw when he watched the tar pump continue after the power to it was turned off. He would have noticed of course that the revolutions continued only up to the time that the temperature of the tar reduced to a certain level. Most likelyt he would have concluded that the giving up of heat energy in the device was responsible for the conversion to rotational energy.
No doubt his thoughts would then consider how such a phenomenon could be used as the basis for a usable power source. Presumably he would have thought that a "free" heat source would be ambient temperature. The rest is history.
Hopefully i will get to proving this very soon.
Stay tuned"

This is your first post and now claim you don't believe in OU. So why try to build it? Claiming you have a fresh look of how the Clem engine worked and didn't do your home work?

If you have did your own research, you would have notice the asphalt pump was never used is his engine.

Since you really don't know what your talking about, what is your main goal?

Is it to lead other down a path of nothing?

Many people like yourself do this all the time on these forums, repeat from the past and nothing come of it.

It's time to call you out, what are your true motive? You clearly don't know how the Clem engine worked, but you claim you have a fresh understanding.

If you think a blender will give you the answers, go right ahead. But , make sure you do a YouTube video and the amount of energy your using.

When will you do the test? I would like to see what you have, instead being disrespectful. Time to show your cards!

Tom

TommeyReed · « **Reply #68 on:** April 13, 2023, 05:35:20 AM »

The cone shape pump was never used or sold on the market!

Which pump is best in asphalt?
The positive displacement technology represented by the screw pump is the best suited for handling asphalt and the related products. The pumping principle of the screw can be visualized as a pump having a “piston” with infinite stroke.May 2, 2018

This screw pump was used in the 80's

Tom

aussiebattler · « **Reply #69 on:** April 13, 2023, 06:24:03 AM »

Isn't it amazing that after many years of posting here some, who you would have thought would know better, still get confused between "free energy" and "over unity "

TommeyReed · « **Reply #70 on:** April 13, 2023, 11:44:25 AM »

Just like I thought, another nobody who claims they have a fresh look with no experience is this field.

But some people will mock other who does, kids these day. They think they know something, yet when put to the test, all they can do is play word games.

Sometimes, I think the BS is beyond control on forums. When ask a direct question they try to redirect the answer.

Just show real integrity and honesty seems to be out the door today. It might be due to this woke generation young and old who talk out of both side of their mouths.

Either way, I believe these people need to be called out, when the BS starts hitting the fan.

What is the criteria for being an expert?

Knowledge, skill, and achievement are all critical components of expertise. People who become experts tend to acquire a body of knowledge that makes them one of the most informed individuals in their field. They also possess the skills that they need to determine when and how to use their knowledge.

I don't need to explain a bullsh-- artist!

Tom

aussiebattler · « **Reply #71 on:** April 13, 2023, 03:39:05 PM »

Gee Tommy. There sure is somebody here that you don't like.

ramset · « **Reply #72 on:** April 13, 2023, 05:34:58 PM »

Personally
Until such time as a true “runner” gets open sourced…
We should not forget why we are here , and how we
actually do need each other …, as those willing to share their work
Are as rare as hens teeth…
Personally,
I have nothing but gratitude for those who carry water and dedicate themselves
To this “thing we do”..

Below our mission statement…

onepower · « **Reply #73 on:** April 13, 2023, 06:37:01 PM »

Tommey

Quote

The cone shape pump was never used or sold on the market!
Which pump is best in asphalt?
The positive displacement technology represented by the screw pump is the best suited for handling asphalt and the related products. The pumping principle of the screw can be visualized as a pump having a “piston” with infinite stroke.

Something seems off with the story. When I was a teenager I worked on a highway paving crew and never saw any asphalt pumps. There were heavy oil pumps which were usually a gear/vane type pump. Asphalt(heavy oil and crushed rock) was always moved with a conveyor or augers.

Here's a clue, from http://www.rexresearch.com/clemengn/clemeng.htm

Quote

Richard Clem worked with heavy machinery for the city of Dallas. He used asphalt-spraying equipment, which pumped liquid asphalt.

I have seen asphalt-spraying equipment up close on a road crew and were talking about heavy oil pumps not an asphalt(oil and crushed rock) pump. The asphalt sprayer is basically a water truck with heaters to keep the oil liquid which uses a spray bar with nozzles on the back to coat the road with oil. The heated oil is actually very light like cooking oil when it comes out and I remember getting splashed with that stuff. The only thing which will remove it from clothes is soaking it in a solvent like varsol. In fact we used to burn bunker C oil in our boilers which is slightly lighter than bitumen. We used tank/line heaters and gear pumps to pump bunker C up to 80 psi for the burners.

So it sounds to me like the people reporting on the Clem motor got there story all mixed up. Were talking about a heavy oil pump but the oil is actually very light like cooking oil once heated. As such a conical drag/screw pump shown in the link would have no problem with it.

AC

onepower · « **Reply #74 on:** April 13, 2023, 08:00:13 PM »

In my opinion the similarities between the Schauberger and Clem devices is uncanny.

A closed pancake form
Able to operate closed loop within a vessel
Utilize the rotation of an inner part throwing a medium outward
Utilize the motion of pressurized fluids through perimeter nozzles
Self-sustaining once in operation
Able to generate an excess of energy and heat

What are the odds two people would build technology which is almost identical in it's form and function?. I would bet money that if we opened up Clem's device we would see something similar to Viktor Schauberger's designs inside it.

As well, we could use a little common sense. Take a screw form and push down flattening it, what kind of form do we get?. We get a wavy plate with a spiral form which has a more compact design. Now we add some nozzles on the perimeter and we end up with the same design as Schauberger and Clem's devices. Both inventors also claimed once started both devices could generate excess power with no outside energy sources required.

In my opinion it's so in our face and obvious it's almost impossible to deny. To answer my last question, the odds both inventors accidentally built two devices almost identical in form and function is like winning the lottery. The odds that both inventors similar devices accidentally produced excess energy and heat is zero.

These people knew exactly what they were doing and either they knew of each others work or they came to the same conclusions on which direction the technology should take. They literally ended up with the same design with the same purpose.

AC

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