Author Topic: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system ! (Read 2231880 times)

ltseung888 · « **Reply #2460 on:** January 06, 2015, 01:13:44 AM »

My understanding of the Milkovic 2SO as of Jan 6, 2015

1.   In the first stage, it is a pulsed pendulum. The mathematics shows that for small angles, 2 parts of horizontal energy leads-out 1 part of vertical gravitational energy.
2.   In the second stage, when the Weight W1 is lifted, the amplitude of the swinging pendulum does not decrease. The energy used to lift the Weight comes from gravity.
3.   The two above mechanisms bring-in gravitational energy. If we make the assumption that the finger push energy is the INPUT, we have not considered the extra INPUT of lead-out energy. This extra INPUT is the “free energy”.
4.   The lifting of the heavy weight has been considered by many (including myself at one time) as the OUTPUT. This is incorrect. In order to repeat the process, the Weight W1 need to raise the pendulum bob back to the original position. This must be taken into consideration.
5.   In order to get more energy, the pendulum weight has to be higher and the pendulum length needs to be longer. This make the scaling up very expensive and inefficient.
6.   When the pendulum is replaced by the Unbalanced Wheel (e.g. Chan Wheel), the rotational speed can be increased for a more efficient operation. However, this need to match the oscillation frequency of the lever. Experimentally, the Chan Wheel can be tuned with different weights and lever arm lengths to get better results.
7.   The Milkovic 2SO and Chan Wheels are interesting as academic research projects as they are overunity and do lead-out gravitational energy.
8.   The more practical devices should lead-out magnetic or electromagnetic energy. The 225 HP Pulse Motor and other Pulse Motors are examples.

For those who want to have an overunity device to research, build the Chan Wheel. The trolls do not have a Milkovic 2SO or Chan Wheel and claim that there are no OU devices, just ignore them…

Morality Point:

When you have a working OU device, continue your research… If you do not want to get rude comments, just do not post. If you are old like me and do not want to carry the limited knowledge to the grave, post. Argue on the scientific points.

Merg · « **Reply #2461 on:** January 06, 2015, 02:36:18 AM »

Veljko Milkovic's Pendulum Pump replica by Milos Regeljac from Despotovo, Serbia

This technical testing was successful in proving that there has been water pressure needed for the irrigation in agriculture.
Designed pump with a pendulum draws water from a well with a depth of 6 meters and throws water at a height of over 6 meters
what makes the height difference of more than 12 meters.

In this way the objective that is being sought in irrigation has been achieved.
Further work on system automation is currently being done.

Location: Despotovo, Serbia
Date: December 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_1_Yn4Eji8

ltseung888 · « **Reply #2462 on:** January 06, 2015, 03:05:42 AM »

One comment on why the QEGs do not work as well as the WITTS generator.

It is the conditioning of the core. If you try to produce a permanent magnet with DC current, you can use different amps. If you use small amps, you still have a permanent magnet. If you use larger amps, the result is likely to be very different.

The published QEG may not have conditioned the core to the same extend as WITTS...

There will still be resonance. (There will be magnetic properties with low amps.)

Morality Point:

Simple replication of a non-optimal device will also produce a non-optimal device. Try to come up with a possible hypothesis... Lead-out theory will help QEG research also... One Chan Wheel will lead-out different amount of energy from another Chan Wheel of same construction if tuned differently...

Should FixtheWorld people disclose what they know and hope others will build on that? Their relationship with WITTS may not be "on the best" of terms.

MarkE · « **Reply #2463 on:** January 06, 2015, 05:02:07 AM »

Quote from: ltseung888 on January 06, 2015, 03:05:42 AM

One comment on why the QEGs do not work as well as the WITTS generator.

It is the conditioning of the core. If you try to produce a permanent magnet with DC current, you can use different amps. If you use small amps, you still have a permanent magnet. If you use larger amps, the result is likely to be very different.

The published QEG may not have conditioned the core to the same extend as WITTS...

There will still be resonance. (There will be magnetic properties with low amps.)

Morality Point:

Simple replication of a non-optimal device will also produce a non-optimal device. Try to come up with a possible hypothesis... Lead-out theory will help QEG research also... One Chan Wheel will lead-out different amount of energy from another Chan Wheel of same construction if tuned differently...

Should FixtheWorld people disclose what they know and hope others will build on that? Their relationship with WITTS may not be "on the best" of terms.

No matter what one does, the QEG is just a very inefficient machine.

Morality Point: Supporting those who scam others out of money while willfully ignoring facts is really little better than what the scammers do. Why do you support blatant scams Lawrence?

norman6538 · « **Reply #2464 on:** January 06, 2015, 02:57:22 PM »

merg what does this water pump prove?
it works but bottom line is what is the input and what is the
output and how does that compare to ordinary water pumping?
If it takes less work then viola - you have something worth the effort.

Itseung888
The pendulum below starts at 2 oclock and drops past 10 oclock and on
up to noon. How does it fit into your leadout concept?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FzK2XKQ-74

You can visually see the input and the output that is
greater than the input - no false measurement possibilities.
You can tell that something in the magnets uniuque is happening here
because the pendulum goes up quickly and then drops back
down slowly and stops.

Norman

ARMCORTEX · « **Reply #2465 on:** January 06, 2015, 04:13:05 PM »

Hmm interresting ,Noones, see my new video.

Youll like.

tagor · « **Reply #2466 on:** January 06, 2015, 05:54:14 PM »

Quote from: norman6538 on January 06, 2015, 02:57:22 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FzK2XKQ-74

You can visually see the input and the output that is
greater than the input - no false measurement possibilities.

Norman

you are a very very very funny guy !!

PERPETUAL MOBILE is a running device ... perpetualy .... ( without stopppppping !!! )

PS :
if you begin at 12 and

- your device run 1/2H down
and
- your device run more than 1/2H up

in this case your device is really a PM

LOL i can not stop laughting

norman6538 · « **Reply #2467 on:** January 06, 2015, 06:26:49 PM »

Tagor
I said nothing about perpetual mobile. That is your false assumption. But what you have seen
is OU - more out than in.

I laughing at you until you can show me your pendulum that goes higher than its dropped point.

For those who still have a functional brain this device is so simple it is visually clear that it
is OU. To those who are stuck in the groove you will make up all kinds of hog wash.
Its because of folks like you that I don't cast my better pearls before swine. I save them for
my closest friends. Keyboarding is so easy but benchwork is where its really accomplished.
I have boxes and boxes of benchwork with maybe two successes.

Norman

Paul-R · « **Reply #2468 on:** January 06, 2015, 06:37:08 PM »

Quote from: norman6538 on January 06, 2015, 02:57:22 PM

Itseung888
The pendulum below starts at 2 oclock and drops past 10 oclock and on
up to noon. How does it fit into your leadout concept?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FzK2XKQ-74

You can visually see the input and the output that is
greater than the input -

...only if you stop your analysis at the top. The event finishes at the bottom. Consdierable loss of potential energy.

ltseung888 · « **Reply #2469 on:** January 06, 2015, 08:16:27 PM »

Quote from: norman6538 on January 06, 2015, 02:57:22 PM

Itseung888
The pendulum below starts at 2 oclock and drops past 10 oclock and on
up to noon. How does it fit into your leadout concept?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FzK2XKQ-74

You can visually see the input and the output that is
greater than the input - no false measurement possibilities.
You can tell that something in the magnets uniuque is happening here
because the pendulum goes up quickly and then drops back
down slowly and stops.

Norman

Dear Norman,

Interesting video. Once you put magnets in vertical or horizontal pendulums, you will lead-out or bring-in magnetic energy. The Minato effect is an example. Continue your good work. Peter Chan is also doing something similar with the horizontal magnetic pendulum.

Attached is the presentation to be done on Jan 11, 2015. I hope to pass much of the knowledge and responsibility to the younger generation.

Morality Point:

When you share, we all learn. Water turns to wine?

tagor · « **Reply #2470 on:** January 07, 2015, 09:19:19 AM »

Quote from: norman6538 on January 06, 2015, 06:26:49 PM

Tagor
I said nothing about perpetual mobile. That is your false assumption. But what you have seen
is OU - more out than in.

I laughing at you until you can show me your pendulum that goes higher than its dropped point.

For those who still have a functional brain this device is so simple it is visually clear that it
is OU. To those who are stuck in the groove you will make up all kinds of hog wash.
Its because of folks like you that I don't cast my better pearls before swine. I save them for
my closest friends. Keyboarding is so easy but benchwork is where its really accomplished.
I have boxes and boxes of benchwork with maybe two successes.

Norman

If your device is really OU , explain me why it is not a PM ?

if your device really goes UP more than DOWN , explain me why your device can not
do one completed turn ... and run and turn and working like a PM ?

if your device is only unity , why you can not use a 2SO to get 12 UNITY ...
and your device explode in 12 seconde ?

ltseung888 · « **Reply #2471 on:** January 07, 2015, 09:45:03 AM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLkMaS3Xj0I

The attempt to have lead-out magnetic energy done 7 years ago.

We shall repeat now with much more knowledge...

You can youtube and search on "minato wheel" for other related videos.

Morality Point:

Going back 7 years is no shame...

norman6538 · « **Reply #2472 on:** January 07, 2015, 02:01:11 PM »

Lawrence, I like your minato work but what is the status of that work after
7 years?
Norman

see this one too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvlDEqf2pCc
Uploaded on Jul 3, 2007

ltseung888 · « **Reply #2473 on:** January 07, 2015, 09:35:52 PM »

Quote from: norman6538 on January 07, 2015, 02:01:11 PM

Lawrence, I like your minato work but what is the status of that work after
7 years?
Norman

see this one too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvlDEqf2pCc
Uploaded on Jul 3, 2007

That experiment was stopped 7 years ago. The effort shifted to leading out magnetic and electromagnetic energy via Pulse Wheels - the Tong Wheel.

The scientific reasoning is:
The gravitational energy that can be lead-out in one pulse is equal to
mgL(cos(a2)-cos(a1))
where m is mass of pendulum
g is gravitational acceleration
L is length of pendulum string
a1 is angle before the pull
a2 is angle after the pull

For the pendulum, if we want to bring-in more gravitational energy, we have to increase m, L or the angles since we cannot change g.

For magnetic pendulum, we can effectively change g. However, pure permanent magnets will always attract or repel. That will create sticky spots. There will be a limit on the speed of rotation. (Peter Chan will experiment with magnetic shielding as the new tool.)

Once we go to electromagnets, we essentially have the pulse wheel. That should allow for much higher rotation and thus bring-in much more electromagnetic energy per unit time. (more power).

The problem with Pulse Wheels is the "resonance". We still have not found the best way to match the pulsing frequency to the rotational frequency of the Unbalanced Wheel. (and/or the natural frequency of the setup?) The teams that claimed to have found resonances kept them as commercial secrets. The Ting Wheel is an example. The 225 HP Pulse Motor is still a top secret with both the Chinese and USA Governments.

Morality Point:

One may have partial access to top secret. Should one upset the authorities for the Human good?

Paul-R · « **Reply #2474 on:** January 08, 2015, 03:17:25 PM »

Quote from: ltseung888 on January 07, 2015, 09:35:52 PM

We still have not found the best way to match the pulsing frequency to the rotational frequency of the Unbalanced Wheel.

One may have partial access to top secret. Should one upset the authorities for the Human good?

Parametric oscillation might be a way to go.

All we need is the principle of operation. It is probably in the public domain somewhere already.

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