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magpwr

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Re: Electric conduction through Distilled Water
« Reply #1635 on: February 02, 2022, 03:05:13 PM »
I have made a breakthrough in understanding Nikola Tesla’s Radiant Energy.
I have come to the conclusion it is the same as what we know as a Displacement current.
Based on the insights, I have successfully conducted electric energy through pure distilled water (normally non conductive)
​​​​​​​and charged a capacitor up to 1200V using, impulses.
It is based on dielectric induction.
Eric Dollard already showed this in his 1980's Borderland videos, using ground current to transmit radio signals.

My new video showing Dielectric induction through pure distilled water:
https://youtu.be/NVTCEMw2-pU
(premieres today, 8pm GMT)

My previous video using the same circuit, using Magnetic induction to lift aluminum foil:
https://youtu.be/PBH_weiEM1w

My video explaining the circuit that I used for both experiments:
https://youtu.be/Pa2MipWGSKQ
hi evostars,
No offends but after watching your video on the "slow" charging of capacitor via distilled water using HV.It is already a problem....
I have attached a direct screenshot from google search related to distilled water.It's around 500k Ohms.You can get the same effect if you connect 3 or 4 common resistors(Est 300volts typically rated for each resistor)to form 500k. 
For the dielectric you can use the opposite end of pcb board if it is 2 layered board.But one end the surface area need to be made smaller,for better HV isolation.
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I do like your youtube presentation as always but for me i will never put my face in it even if i am 100% right.

verpies

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Re: Electric conduction through Distilled Water
« Reply #1636 on: February 02, 2022, 04:04:51 PM »
hi evostars,
No offends but after watching your video on the "slow" charging of capacitor via distilled water using HV.It is already a problem....
I have attached a direct screenshot from google search related to distilled water.It's around 500k Ohms.You can get the same effect if you connect 3 or 4 common resistors(Est 300volts typically rated for each resistor)to form 500k. 
It is really hard to get all of the conductive ions out of the water.
Copper ions from the wire, patina, atmospheric sulphur oxides and nitrogen oxides, fingerprint acids, dirty container ...all can contribute conductive ions.

pix

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Re: Electric conduction through Distilled Water
« Reply #1637 on: February 02, 2022, 04:21:53 PM »
[quote ]
It is really hard to get all of the conductive ions out of the water.
Copper ions from the wire, patina, atmospheric sulphur oxides and nitrogen oxides, fingerprint acids, dirty container ...all can contribute conductive ions.
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It is not distilled, it is demineralized. A huge difference.
Distilled water should have less than 5 ppm of mineral content.
Real distilled water used for lab. analysis is at least two times condensed from boiling.


Cheers,
Pix


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1638 on: February 02, 2022, 08:52:43 PM »
"The resistivity of absolute pure water is 18.2 (rounded) MΩ × cm at 25°C or 0.055 micro-siemens/cm. Water of this quality must be measured inline (closed system) in order to prevent atmospheric interference of the reading. As water is drawn from a water purification system that is showing 18.2 MΩ × cm purity, carbon dioxide from the atmosphere is immediately absorbed into the solution. The carbon dioxide reacts with water forming carbonic acid in solution."
https://www.labmanager.com/white-papers-and-application-notes/resistivity-conductivity-measurement-of-purified-water-19691
@evostars please take a look at my previous reply to you:
"Nice job you made there ! My question is: your device output give around 3-6Kv with 8 to 18 Amps as a electric field with certain frequency over 130Khz, please correct me if I'm wrong, I wonder if you reduce this output current to 110v or 220v how you will convert the electric field and frequency to electric current at 60Hz in order to start an lightbulb. Shortly: how you get rid of e-field and produce current? May be I'm wrong and it's not about electrical field or rf field."

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Field Propulsion
« Reply #1639 on: May 14, 2022, 07:21:01 PM »
Video showing and explaining Field Propulsion.
premières this Sunday

https://youtu.be/lVjC47NBqfM

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1640 on: November 18, 2022, 09:15:22 AM »
I am playing around with a simulator but do not really understand the results I get. Maybe the more capable members can guide me.
The simulator depicts a TBPC in series feed with a DC source and a capacitor that should control the frequency to 40 kHz.
The attached screenshots show the results. Does this indicate very strong pulsing magnetic fields?

P.s. in case this is real will the cap and power supply survive this?

Edit: just.found in the Sim app, first hidden for me a wire resistance switch, which was off. Now it shows a diametral different result.
« Last Edit: November 18, 2022, 12:26:16 PM by Solhi »

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1641 on: April 25, 2023, 03:17:48 PM »
This video explains what electric impulses are
and what the differences are between current and voltage impulses.
https://youtu.be/YnijhZdAseA

I also made a short video, explaining that a negative to positive voltage discharges creates an inflow of energy from the induced displacement current. (based on fast changing high voltage).
https://youtube.com/shorts/ACjsvpFZPK8?feature=share

And this video, is about the TEM and LMD resonant modes, that occur from Loose coupled dual resonant coils. Prof Konstatin Meyl already showed some of the effects, and also Eric p Dollard showed some of it in his 1980's Borderland videos:
https://youtu.be/5qpOxiy1x6s

I'm looking for inspiration that is related to what C.P. Steinmetz called a cumulative wave. Today it is more commonly known as the "trumpet wave".
I feel it is connected to the negative displacement current created by a negative current impulse (negative voltage discharge to zero or positive voltage).

If Anyone has information/links please share!
Thanks.

apecore

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1642 on: April 25, 2023, 05:40:38 PM »
This video explains what electric impulses are
and what the differences are between current and voltage impulses.
https://youtu.be/YnijhZdAseA

I also made a short video, explaining that a negative to positive voltage discharges creates an inflow of energy from the induced displacement current. (based on fast changing high voltage).
https://youtube.com/shorts/ACjsvpFZPK8?feature=share

And this video, is about the TEM and LMD resonant modes, that occur from Loose coupled dual resonant coils. Prof Konstatin Meyl already showed some of the effects, and also Eric p Dollard showed some of it in his 1980's Borderland videos:
https://youtu.be/5qpOxiy1x6s

I'm looking for inspiration that is related to what C.P. Steinmetz called a cumulative wave. Today it is more commonly known as the "trumpet wave".
I feel it is connected to the negative displacement current created by a negative current impulse (negative voltage discharge to zero or positive voltage).

If Anyone has information/links please share!
Thanks.

To bad to see you run out of amunition so long.
If you had given me the oppertunity to show you I would, unfortunately you acted very disruptive and non social.

So lets see what time will tell, maybe I make a vid showing the world your missing link.

Have a good day

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SolarLab

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1644 on: April 25, 2023, 07:17:56 PM »
This video explains what electric impulses are
and what the differences are between current and voltage impulses.
https://youtu.be/YnijhZdAseA

I also made a short video, explaining that a negative to positive voltage discharges creates an inflow of energy from the induced displacement current. (based on fast changing high voltage).
https://youtube.com/shorts/ACjsvpFZPK8?feature=share

And this video, is about the TEM and LMD resonant modes, that occur from Loose coupled dual resonant coils. Prof Konstatin Meyl already showed some of the effects, and also Eric p Dollard showed some of it in his 1980's Borderland videos:
https://youtu.be/5qpOxiy1x6s

I'm looking for inspiration that is related to what C.P. Steinmetz called a cumulative wave. Today it is more commonly known as the "trumpet wave".
I feel it is connected to the negative displacement current created by a negative current impulse (negative voltage discharge to zero or positive voltage).

If Anyone has information/links please share!
Thanks.

Hi Master IVO,

First off - I'm in the process of reviewing your YouTube page ( https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFz4KwTTMz5GZ97oUi-8XJoI1Riij22v2 )
and so far I must comment - One of the BEST PAGES on the subject I've seen - barr none, Thank You for all your work and insight!

BTW; I find the Tesla VNA information is very interesting and informative (impressive)!

Second - we have a good archive of Prof. K. Meyl's work and some older Steinmetz work that I'll review, as time permits, regarding any "Trumpet
Wave" information. From memory, there were some interesting aspects to it that are not well known or understood; but it does appear in some
designs.

If there are any target areas of particular interest please let me know so I can narrow the search, if required.

Anyway, for now, "Great Work" and hopefully I can find some good references, information and so forth re: "negative current impulses, a.k.a. Trumpet
Waves.

Regards,
Solarlab

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1645 on: April 25, 2023, 09:15:30 PM »
Found one interesting "take" on displacement current:

Displacement Current Articles

Wireless World Magazine

Dec 1978 - Displacement Current page 51
https://worldradiohistory.com/UK/Wireless-World/70s/Wireless-World-1978-12.pdf

Mar 1979 - Further explaination of an earlieer article - The history of displacement current page 67
https://worldradiohistory.com/UK/Wireless-World/70s/Wireless-World-1979-03.pdf

Articles are found in the Wirelessworld archive:https://worldradiohistory.com/Wireless_World_Magazine.htm

The distributed model lends itself to the rising edge of the pulse behaviour.

SL

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1646 on: April 25, 2023, 09:46:02 PM »

Here's a little teaser from the articles above:

"In fact, if this dD/dt were regarded as a current, far from saving the doctrine, it would
destroy it, because now more current  (i + dD/dt) would be leaving the first section of
the plate BB' than was entering it."


Dog-One

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1647 on: April 26, 2023, 01:00:41 AM »
So capacitors are actually transmission lines.  Interesting...
Especially since transmission lines incorporate capacitors.
Says a lot about the fractal nature of our world.

SolarLab

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1648 on: April 26, 2023, 05:20:16 AM »
So capacitors are actually transmission lines.  Interesting...
Especially since transmission lines incorporate capacitors.
Says a lot about the fractal nature of our world.


Well, unfortunately, there's a bit more to it than that!
 
The actual analysis, even of a simple capacitor, is more complex when considering it's
circuit implementation and it's application.

An analytical (mathematical formulas) analysis works for relatively simple applications using
a signal generator and scope or meter; however for more complex applications usually a
numerical analysis (CAE) and a Vector Network Analyzer (VNA) are needed.

One good VNA for low frequency work (1 Hz to 50 MHz) is the Omicron Lab BODE 100:
  https://www.omicron-lab.com/products/vector-network-analysis/bode-100

Check their web site for some excellent Application and Tutorial subject matter.

Also, "evostars" [Master Ivo] youtube page has some great videos on this stuff, including a series
relating to Tesla Coil VNA analysis.
https://www.youtube.com/@MasterIvo/playlists

SL


sm0ky2

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1649 on: April 26, 2023, 06:39:25 AM »
So capacitors are actually transmission lines.  Interesting...
Especially since transmission lines incorporate capacitors.
Says a lot about the fractal nature of our world.


if you consider the minute length of the plates, it can be analyzed this way.
in the way you could suppose a capacitor is also a transformer.


I think the point of the overall view was that we can take the current through the circuit,
without having to consider the electric field interaction with the other plate/transmission line.


I don’t agree with this viewpoint, personally.
This works if the only thing you are looking at is the current through the plate.
However, when observing the circuit as a whole there is an inductance and an impedance to deal with.


and also at lengths greater than the distance between them:
there is phase
due to the e-field arriving at the other plate before the current travels the entire conductor.
in a very real way, current can begin to flow through C before it has traveled the length of B-B


measuring current from the source will provide more accuracy than measurements taken along the length of B-B. Here we see the induction at C causes more current to be drawn.