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Author Topic: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy  (Read 3539720 times)

minnie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5490 on: October 06, 2015, 12:12:38 AM »



   sometimes your day goes wrong
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EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5491 on: October 06, 2015, 12:29:05 AM »
Quote from: minnie on October 06, 2015, 12:12:38 AM

   sometimes your day goes wrong



John, I hope all is ok. Best wishes with you mate!

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TinselKoala

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5492 on: October 06, 2015, 12:37:36 AM »
Quote from: EMJunkie on October 05, 2015, 10:22:04 PM
Here is my point:

You're unbelievable TK, unbelievable!!!

What is wrong with you? Do you have to prove your Arrogance to everyone here all the time, we already know how you operate!

Go back to your hole and don't come back! Tell Homeland Security you failed because you're so see through! Everyone knows how you guys operate, sticking out like a sore thumb!!!


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Typical. You can't refute me OR MY SOLID CHECKABLE OUTSIDE REFERENCES, nor my own video demonstrations of how inductive resistors alter phase determinations... so you proceed to whine and moan and insult. Meanwhile you cannot provide any evidence for your Free Energy claims at all. Keep it up! You are demonstrating your vindictiveness, arrogance and lack of knowledge for all to see.

Unbelievable? Like the references I cite are "unbelievable"? I laugh at you. You are a False Claimant, as you have demonstrated many times over.



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EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5493 on: October 06, 2015, 12:46:43 AM »
Quote from: TinselKoala on October 06, 2015, 12:37:36 AM
Typical. You can't refute me OR MY SOLID CHECKABLE OUTSIDE REFERENCES, nor my own video demonstrations of how inductive resistors alter phase determinations... so you proceed to whine and moan and insult. Meanwhile you cannot provide any evidence for your Free Energy claims at all. Keep it up! You are demonstrating your vindictiveness, arrogance and lack of knowledge for all to see.

Unbelievable? Like the references I cite are "unbelievable"? I laugh at you. You are a False Claimant, as you have demonstrated many times over.

You are unbelieveable TK, you spew pifflie out your orifice and put others down all the time, Totally Distructive!!! Totally unnecessary!!!

How about you take this as a Challenge! How about you use your Electrical Skills and show us how this works!!!

This circuit shown is 99% correct although it appears not, it is.

It takes a bit of tenacity - it can not be something that is given up on to early!!!

   Chris Sykes
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P.S: There is a Waveform that is desired and its possible to achieve with this circuit with a bit of messing around:
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tinman

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5494 on: October 06, 2015, 01:05:05 AM »
Quote from: TinselKoala on October 05, 2015, 03:18:29 PM
Wrong, twice.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/elefie.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_field
http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/estatics/Lesson-4/Electric-Field-Intensity

The units of the E-field are _volts per meter_, or to put it another way, _newtons per coulomb_. Current describes the movement of charge, but the E field does not depend on movement of charge. Stationary charges produce an electric field. You can argue that charge has to move for it to be concentrated onto, say, the top of the VDG machine, but it is not the _movement_ of charge that produces the field, as I believe you have stated.
In fact if you look at the Hyperphysics link you will see this: "The electric field can be defined as the electromagnetic force per unit charge _in the rest frame of the charge_." (emphasis mine).



When you crank the VDG,is the E field increasing with time at the collection point(top of the VDG machine)?.If so,then a current is flowing as well,and a magnetic field exist along with the electric field.

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Also, you are using _wirewound_ resistors that have considerable inductance in your measurements, according to that photo from a while back. Plus you have the length of the probe ground clipleads as well. How much of the current _phase shift_ in your scopeshots is due to the inductance of your measurement system, rather than your actual device under test? You don't know, do you?

The resistors have no inductance that i can see in any of my test-nor the scope probe's.
Below is the same transformer primary and same resistors being fed with a 1MHz AC signal from my SG. Do you see any inductance from the resistors or scope leads?. Looks clean to me. 1MHz is the frequency where the voltage and current phases are in phase.
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tinman

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5495 on: October 06, 2015, 01:32:19 AM »
So in testing some !off the shelf! transformers,i have found that it is the winding configuration that sets the primary and secondaries current phases.

The first scope shot is with one winding configuration between primary and secondary coils. As you can see,the secondaries current leads that of the primaries current. In the second scope shot where the winding configuration is different(but on the same type of core),you can see that the primaries and secondaries current are in phase. Same resistors used in both test.
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Magluvin

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5496 on: October 06, 2015, 02:41:10 AM »
Soo.  If the core is not of the highest permeability type, then what?  ???

Mags
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EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5497 on: October 06, 2015, 02:46:49 AM »
Quote from: tinman on October 06, 2015, 01:32:19 AM
So in testing some !off the shelf! transformers,i have found that it is the winding configuration that sets the primary and secondaries current phases.

The first scope shot is with one winding configuration between primary and secondary coils. As you can see,the secondaries current leads that of the primaries current. In the second scope shot where the winding configuration is different(but on the same type of core),you can see that the primaries and secondaries current are in phase. Same resistors used in both test.

I am not in agreeance on this one Brad.

It is the Load that determines the Phase Shift for "!off the shelf!" Transformers.

A Resistive Load - should always be zero Degrees or close to it.
An Inductive Load - Should be a Current Lag.
A Capacitive Load - Should be a Voltage Lag.

This should be true on most all circuits/Transformers but not all. Some resistors (Wire Wound mostly) can have Inductive (XL) and Capacitive (XC) Components to them. This is mostly a High Frequency thing and very rarely seen to be a major problem at low frequencies.


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poynt99

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5498 on: October 06, 2015, 02:58:09 AM »
Quote from: Magluvin on October 06, 2015, 02:41:10 AM
Soo.  If the core is not of the highest permeability type, then what?  ???

Mags
Could you elaborate?
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EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5499 on: October 06, 2015, 03:05:36 AM »
Quote from: Magluvin on October 06, 2015, 02:41:10 AM
Soo.  If the core is not of the highest permeability type, then what?  ???

Mags

@Mags

A Transformer Core is selected for a particular operating range.

For example, we want to Transform 240volts 50Hz Mains to 12 Volts but only need max of 3 amps...

We need a very small transformer because it's got to fit inside a very small box.

Max height is 3cm's, we need a Cross Sectional Area of 1 Sqcm, and we need the coil to fit in a 2cm former, 32 turns, so we need a Permeability of 5000 for a Magnetic Field Strength of 60.31 Gauss.

As a safety precaution we might want to go up to 6000 for the permeability so as we have a safe operating range.

The calculations for this can be found online, many good websites about transformer theory can provide calculators that can estimate these parameters.

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P.S: If the Core is not satisfactory, leaking the Magnetic Flux then all sorts of things could happen, firstly and most importantly the transformer will not operate within its parameters.  Remembering that Air is very much harder for Flux to traverse than High Permeability Material, the last thing the Flux will want to do is exit the Core.

A Saturated Transformer can be rather dangerous, Current can go through the roof and this can happen:
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Magluvin

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5500 on: October 06, 2015, 03:23:54 AM »
Quote from: poynt99 on October 06, 2015, 02:58:09 AM
Could you elaborate?

Well, is it still the E field that induces the sec with a low permeability core?

Mags
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EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5501 on: October 06, 2015, 03:51:11 AM »
Quote from: Magluvin on October 06, 2015, 03:23:54 AM
Well, is it still the E field that induces the sec with a low permeability core?

Mags


Yes

But any Flux Leaking out of the Core will typically reduce your Output, 3 Watt's in might be 1 Watt Out for example.

Flux Leakage is considered a Loss in Standard Transformer Theory.

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Magluvin

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5502 on: October 06, 2015, 05:04:24 AM »
Quote from: EMJunkie on October 06, 2015, 03:51:11 AM

Yes

But any Flux Leaking out of the Core will typically reduce your Output, 3 Watt's in might be 1 Watt Out for example.

Flux Leakage is considered a Loss in Standard Transformer Theory.

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Well I dont really consider it a loss for the mag field of the primary to traverse across the hole of the toroid, as long as it ends up in the core afterwards...


Mags
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Magluvin

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5503 on: October 06, 2015, 06:16:00 AM »
See, Its hard to comprehend that the mag field only exists in the core.

When the primary is energized, are not the mag fields developed at and within the wire itself?  Where else in the universe is it that when a current is sent through a wire that the field from that wire begins and originates elsewhere and is non existent around the wire itself?  ??? ::) ;)

Mags



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Magluvin

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5504 on: October 06, 2015, 06:52:14 AM »
I wonder how a tiny magnet would react in the hole of the core with the transformer in operation with the idea that there are no magnetic fields there. ??? ;)

Mags
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