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Author Topic: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy  (Read 62979 times)

Offline ramset

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #30 on: December 25, 2014, 01:53:23 PM »
that's not how this works...[the offer]
we look at is as a DUT and it goes from there ,otherwise we waste more time, resources as well as the possibility of not seeing the result and what then??


this is an offer to investigate a claim at no cost whatsoever to Ken ,  Oh there will be costs and very valuable time from men and equipment that do not come cheaply.


its a nice offer a friendly offer..
its Christmas!!

thx
Chet


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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #31 on: December 25, 2014, 05:25:28 PM »
Seem like anyone can replicate it. Bismuth is very cheap on eBay.
And FLIR imagers are very expensive.

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #32 on: December 25, 2014, 05:37:15 PM »
And FLIR imagers are very expensive.

Hi TK,

Super glue a DS18S20 to the metal sphere, and read the DS18S20 on your Audrino mcu.
It has a 9 bit temp. resolution but if you also read the CREM resister then you can
get a 12 bit resolution.

http://www.maximintegrated.com/en/products/analog/sensors-and-sensor-interface/DS18S20.html

Merry Christmas,
GL.

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #32 on: December 25, 2014, 05:37:15 PM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #33 on: December 25, 2014, 05:38:10 PM »
No, Kenny baby. The experiment, properly done, has more than two parts. But you have not done an experiment, you are only doing demonstrations. A true experiment always includes a control condition, and any true experiment using instruments for measurement also includes calibration tests and data for that instrument. You have left these out of your demonstration, which is not an experiment at all. But of course, a genius who already knows that he is right doesn't need to perform true experiments that have the potential to falsify his hypotheses and ultimately his whole theoretical stance.  Once again, it is not my responsibility to do your homework for you; it is entirely up to you to do proper experimentation, analysis and reporting of your findings, none of which you have ever done, as far as I can tell, with anything you have posted here or on EF.

If you're too dumb to use proper English in your posts, or to do proper control experiments when making outlandish claims, then you must be insanely dumb, and insanely lazy, OR BOTH, on top of your amazingly pathological ego-defensiveness. It's really pitiful to see someone relatively bright like you flailing about, emitting insults worthy of an eight-year-old girl, in an attempt to avoid admitting that you were and continue to be wrong about this claim. Pitiful, sad, and ... hilarious.  I think that _anyone_  who has confidence in his claims -- and who is right about them -- would have leaped at the chance to refute me and the other critics by posting the proper control experiments, showing for example that a ball of different material but the same emissivity and polish does not produce the same kind of image on the FLIR imager. The fact that you have not done so is strongly suggestive... that you cannot.



experiment only has TWO PARTS



if youre too dumb to put 2 NON-MOVING parts next to each other and TEST SAME....................


..........then you are either:


1. insanely dumb

2. insanely lazy


or both.  ;D


I opt for both

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #34 on: December 25, 2014, 05:52:36 PM »
Believe it or not, I can think of several ways to measure accurately the temperature of the ball, and also to demonstrate specular IR reflections from a shiny sphere. But Groundloop... how can a few tens of dollars of instrumentation possibly be better or more accurate than a multi-thousand-dollar FLIR imager? Therefore the results will be invalid!   ::)

You could glue the ball and the magnet to a piece of wood or plastic and immerse the whole thing in water in a container made of heavy styrofoam, and monitor the temperature of the water with an ordinary kitchen digital thermometer costing a few dollars, poking through a small hole in the container. Either the water will heat up measurably fairly quickly, as it should if a real heat-producer were inside the container... or it will not. If it does not, what will we conclude? Will we conclude that the water and styrofoam are so frigging "dielectric" that it cancels out the "Wheeler Effect"... or will we conclude that there is actually no heat produced by the bismuth?

Do you really believe that Kenny Wheeler would accept the results of such a test, undoubtedly null, from _anyone_, especially me? It is his responsibility, and his alone, to provide proper alternative measures of temperature (control experiments and calibrations of the FLIR instrument).  You and I both know that the reason he is claiming it is the responsibility of others to repeat his "experiment" using the FLIR is because that instrument is expensive and none of us are likely to possess one, or want to take the trouble to rent one for a few days.

Merry Christmas to you and yours, also!

Hi TK,

Super glue a DS18S20 to the metal sphere, and read the DS18S20 on your Audrino mcu.
It has a 9 bit temp. resolution but if you also read the CREM resister then you can
get a 12 bit resolution.

http://www.maximintegrated.com/en/products/analog/sensors-and-sensor-interface/DS18S20.html

Merry Christmas,
GL.

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #34 on: December 25, 2014, 05:52:36 PM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #35 on: December 25, 2014, 06:00:30 PM »
I will agree with Kenny on this one point: It is easy to reproduce the demonstration.

But it is also easy to turn it into a real, true experiment with proper controls and calibrations. You do not need his cooperation or participation on this issue. He has given the purity of the bismuth, the sizes of the sphere and magnet and the strength of the magnet. All you need is the specific part number of the FLIR imager so you can go buy or rent the same model. Or, if all you want to do is to determine the actual temperature of the bismuth sphere, you can use alternative methods, like that suggested by GL, or even by me or the other "skeptics" who have weighed in on the issue. You don't need Kenny's sphere, magnet and imager at all, unless you think there is something special about them.

Of course my own preferred approach would be not only to confirm, or falsify, the claim that the sphere is producing heat, but also to reproduce the instrument artifacts that may be misleading the naive researcher who doesn't actually perform true experiments at all. For this, one would need a similar FLIR imager to that which the claimant has used, which will add greatly to the cost of the experiment. Not all of us have the luxury of unlimited funds that can be thrown around chasing wild geese through the snow.

that's not how this works...[the offer]
we look at is as a DUT and it goes from there ,otherwise we waste more time, resources as well as the possibility of not seeing the result and what then??


this is an offer to investigate a claim at no cost whatsoever to Ken ,  Oh there will be costs and very valuable time from men and equipment that do not come cheaply.


its a nice offer a friendly offer..
its Christmas!!

thx
Chet

Offline mscoffman

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #36 on: December 25, 2014, 07:25:57 PM »
Sorry Experimenter but non-contact IR temperature measurement doesn't cut it. The reason is the exact mechanism of
the temperature rise could interfere with the non-contact measuring mechanism of the instrument. There must be contact
temperature measuring because that is how any energy extraction mechanism would function. Any IR extraction mechanism
would be highly questionable and highly problematic and would need to proven in a separate mechanism.

Materials automatically convert sensible / latent temperature energy into IR radiative heat energy but in all materials
to present the mechanism is "reversible"  If the magnet can create an IR "ratchet" in bismuth and make the material receive
better than it sends, IR heat energy would be captured - a purely 2LOT violation. This is not the only thermal ratchet mechanism
available to bismuth but it is the first. Metals all tend to have anomalous parameters in the above areas, that's what makes
them feel cool to the touch and difficult to instrument, but all so far are still reversible. It could be that all bismuth's physical
orbital anomalies make it a metal parameter outlier or...   

By arranging an experiment as I suggested you could have "slam dunk" experiment that you could show and then walk away from.

As for profitis suggestion that this some sort of a critical mass thing, remember the pre LENR physicist refrain;
  "No free neutrons => no fission reaction"     Obviously worth a quick check.

:S:MarkSCoffman

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
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Offline TheoriaApophasis

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #37 on: December 25, 2014, 08:26:42 PM »
And FLIR imagers are very expensive.


so thats it, your broke ass cannot buy a FLIR




Offline MileHigh

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #38 on: December 25, 2014, 08:44:33 PM »

so thats it, your broke ass cannot buy a FLIR

More like your skank ass cannot be reasonable and respectful and avoid inventing things out of thin air.

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #39 on: December 25, 2014, 10:19:25 PM »
Whether or not I choose to spend money on instruments like that is completely irrelevant, Kenny baby. Once again you engage in false argumentation and insult, because your tremendous and tremendously fragile ego cannot accept any criticism. You're rich and I'm poor, boo hoo hoo. That actually INCREASES your responsibility to perform, and report, adequate testing of your own claims, since you are so much more capable of doing so -- or would be so capable, if only you reasoned properly. Every time you respond to me or someone else with braggadocio instead of valid argumentation, you continue to demonstrate your own fragility and ego-defensiveness. You are really a textbook case, very closely akin to Rosemary Ainslie, although you may be a bit more educated than she. You exhibit the Dunning-Kruger syndrome, combined with a pathological need for approval and an incredibly fragile self-esteem. Sad, pathetic and... hilarious you are.

And another page of the thread goes by without you doing your own due diligence, or rather _reporting_ what you undoubtedly have already found out about your bismuth sphere fantasy.


so thats it, your broke ass cannot buy a FLIR

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #40 on: December 26, 2014, 12:24:35 AM »
Just ordered 3 chunk's.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Pure-99-99-Bismuth-Bullion-Bar-50-Gram-Chunk-Piece-Pieces-Silver-Like-/281127898374?pt=AU_Bullion&hash=item4174874d06#ht_1072wt_684

Have the magnets already.
Have the 8 ounce casting die's already-sinker moulds.
This one i have to try.

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #41 on: December 26, 2014, 12:33:02 AM »
Quote frm tinselkoala:
'Since the claimant has not reported the necessary details of the "experiment", or rather demonstration, and since he refuses to do, or rather to _report_,  any of the control experiments that various people have suggested, it is possible to come up with all kinds of alternate explanations for the data from the long-exposure FLIR imagery. For example, maybe the demonstration was conducted shortly after casting the bismuth sphere, and it is simply still warm from the casting, or from manual handling, or from eddy currents induced by waving the magnet around near the bismuth sphere. However, the most plausible explanation is that the shiny sphere is simply showing specular reflection of other heat sources in the vicinity, like the FLIR imager itself, or the claimant's forehead. I have provided links to references that demonstrate and explain this specular reflection phenomenon in some detail, even one that comes from the manufacturer of FLIR imagers quite like the one the claimant has apparently used to make the long-exposure images of the bismuth ball. Did you notice that you can see a similar, smaller, bright spot on the corner of the magnet itself, in the FLIR imagery from the claimant?  You can see that, other than the specular reflection on the corner, the magnet is uniform in temperature according to the image. But the bismuth sphere is NOT, it shows exactly the same nonuniform falsecolor profile across its diameter that one would expect from a specular reflection off a sphere, rather than the uniform color of an object that was actually hotter than its surroundings.
Navigation'

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You could be right,OR you could be wrong and kenny has unwittingly stumbled onto something else here.freshly cast bismuth is quite mirror-like and will,like most shiny metals,reflect far infrared radiation.if you have a near-perfect hollow mirror-sphere,will not all those ambient infrared rays be focused onto a centre-point somewhere in the middle?in violation of 2lot? There's a thread tucked away here somewhere from a few years back where a guy did similar measurements with a metalic cone-mirror and found a definite hotspot in the focal point,well above ambient temp.we may here have internal infrared reflection and focusing of ambient heat,a perpetuum mobilum.it should work with a near perfect aluminum sphere too,if I'm right

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #42 on: December 26, 2014, 01:42:56 AM »
I would like somebody to take an infra-shot at precisely the top open part of a thermos flask staring direct downward.I will bet that there will be a temperature differential there in middlish

Offline TheoriaApophasis

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #43 on: December 26, 2014, 01:46:31 AM »
I would like somebody to take an infra-shot


the rest of these lazy keyboard jockey worthless fucks dont "DO" anything.



they lip flap and tell you why something they NEVER DID, and NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT, is "wrong" , etc etc.



theyre cute and amusing.

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #44 on: December 26, 2014, 02:11:03 AM »
So true kenny.lets see if they get off their butts and rule out a 2lot violation here. 

 

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