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Title: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on December 22, 2014, 11:54:57 PM

cast bismuth spheres experimenting with.   (((( on another front, I am tired of melting and casting bismuth)))))



Variation average between 10 and 13 degrees heat generation.

1. reproducible without fail.
2. logical necessitated HEAT production from magnetic divergence against natures MOST diamagnetic (=dielectric) element, bismuth
3. NECESSITATED output
4. ONLY 2 "parts".
5. NO MOVING PARTS
6. WOULD NEVER EVER BREAK DOWN / FAIL


power anything with it? MORE of them, or a LARGE one.....maybe a dinky flashlight LED.



They (the ubiquitous 'they') only said "FREE ENERGY!!",

......they never quantified HOW MUCH of it.  ;D  :o




(squawk and moan as you please, its no concern here one way or the other).  ;D


Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: Freezer on December 23, 2014, 12:45:53 AM
Paint the surface of the bismuth a matt black, then therm it.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on December 23, 2014, 01:13:42 AM
Paint the surface of the bismuth a matt black, then therm it.


already done, covered in black matte fabric


will post pics.


same results.


roughly 20 mins exposure.

Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: ramset on December 23, 2014, 01:46:04 AM
Ken
Can you explain why this is happening?
what mechanism is at work here?
thx
Chet
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on December 23, 2014, 01:51:29 AM
Ken
Can you explain why this is happening?
what mechanism is at work here?
thx
Chet


Magnetic centrifugal divergence is 'rebounding' (in a crude sense) off the diamagnetic bismuth.


not a lot 'different' than getting an ASS BURN from scooting your fanny against the carpet.

...on a whole other level , of course.



gas meets fire.            so to say.


Spherical shape plays a part here as well as per the bismuth (not a lot).
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: dieter on December 23, 2014, 02:04:10 AM
You could run a LTD Stirling with it! Freakin awesome. What is  10 deg F in Celsius ?


Would that work with graphite, pyrolythic graphite, diamond or graphene?
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TinselKoala on December 23, 2014, 02:09:04 AM
You could run a LTD Stirling with it! Freakin awesome. What is  10 deg F in Celsius ?


Would that work with graphite, pyrolythic graphite, diamond or graphene?

No, he cannot run an LTD Stirling with it. Stirling engines do not run on pretty colors, they require actual heat differences.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: gotoluc on December 23, 2014, 02:09:19 AM
Interesting results!

Thanks for sharing

Luc
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: ElectricPirate on December 23, 2014, 05:18:07 AM
maybe there is slight changes  in the magnetic field that causes eddy current in the bismut. I think you rediscover the floydsweet self oscillation of the magnet  :)
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: mscoffman on December 23, 2014, 03:52:17 PM
Suggest one try an *enclosed* "dipping bird". Maybe use a refrigerant rather than water. A PM machine?

:S:MarksCoffman
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: PiCéd on December 23, 2014, 04:04:12 PM
Bismuth...
Is this atom have none of realy stable isotopes ?
This can explain why...

----------------------------
Mod:
Oops, it's just the Magnetocaloric effect apparently... :o
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: MileHigh on December 23, 2014, 04:29:21 PM
Just have a look at Picowatt's comments on the other thread guys. Unfortunately Kenny is clueless when it comes to his thermal camera.  He ie just reading the reflection of infrared light off of the surface of the bismuth ball and thinks it's the temperature of the ball when that is not the case.  The whole thing is a mistake but unfortunately Kenny has a mental block and he can't admit that he made a mistake.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on December 23, 2014, 05:51:48 PM
 is the temp differential permanent??? If it is then this is the most destructive evidence against the laws of physics I ever saw
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: broli on December 23, 2014, 06:04:09 PM
I would tend to agree with the sceptics this time, there are some big gaps left unanswered which need closure before such a major conclusion can be formed, one of which is a simple control test that replaces the magnet with something not magnetic.

Metallic surfaces indeed reflect IR like a mirror: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8Vc-69M-UWk#t=151 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8Vc-69M-UWk#t=151)
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: ramset on December 23, 2014, 08:17:19 PM
MH
so the Black sock covering the Ball in the photo above is not adequate to stop this reflection?
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on December 23, 2014, 08:48:23 PM
Good point ramset.I'm a bit worried that the choice of black thing to prevent reflection is dissipating some valuable temp-difference,if it is indeed a temp difference
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on December 23, 2014, 08:50:07 PM
Exellent idea @broli.a non-magnetic controll will be essential
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on December 23, 2014, 09:07:54 PM
Bismuth...
Is this atom have none of realy stable isotopes ?



bismuth is the most HEAVY stable element that exists.


everything 'bigger' is either radioactive, or poisonous and or self destructs.


Bismuth sits at a golden ratio ‘seat’ on the periodic table, its dielectric inertia is so high, that its atomic radius of 143 is less than that of lightweight titanium which is 176, and less still the heavier polonium 190 and lead 154. It sits immediately between extremely toxic lead and thallium on one side, and extremely radioactive, extremely short-lived, astronomically rare and virtually non-existent polonium and astatine on the other side, of which less than 100 grams per year of polonium are created, and only created resultant to bombardment of bismuth with high energy protons and neutrons. While virtually four times the atomic mass of iron, it has an atomic radius of 143 to irons 156. Bismuth like glass is a dielectric capacitor, however in the case of bismuth, it is extremely stable and resists ALL discharge to an extremely high degree, which is why its electrical conductivity and thermal conductivity are extremely low. However, as proven in nuclear reactor coolant use, its dielectric conductivity is nearly transparent. Neutrons are dielectrically dominant. Likewise this is why bismuth absorbs high energy gamma rays but allows the passage of neutrons.
     Since this is a book on magnetism, why such a detailed focus on bismuth? Because bismuth is diamagnetic for the very same reason that the dielectric inertial plane of the “magnet” is anti-magnetic, is focused at, is forced at the centerpoint between polarities, not located at. Bismuth has just enough (very little) magnetism to maintain its spatial existence, which is also why its atomic radius is so low. One bit more of magnetism from an additional proton throws bismuth into chaos and hell as polonium. Bismuth cannot be polarized, it is the very least possible element to lose dielectric inertia in its atoms. This is extremely important beyond belief. There are unrealized properties of bismuth yet to be discovered. Bismuths actual polarization is not polarization but turning it into polonium by attacking its nucleus; this however isn’t polarization, but the creation of a radioactive and dangerous lethal beast.



     We must not speak about bismuth being ‘diamagnetic’, which it is, however it repels only centrifugal magnetism, not centripetal dielectricity. Bismuths primary property is its incredibly high dielectric inertia, like a gyroscope spinning so incredibly fast that only destroying its nucleus will greatly alter its properties. This, until this writing, missing secret of bismuth will yield incredible invention in the very near future, at which time the price of bismuth will skyrocket. Given enough enormous dielectric charge applied to bismuth will create a hyperstate property of pure bismuth element with astounding level attributes and effects. In a simplex but obtuse explanation, bismuth is a dielectric dynamo, its own incredibly powerful dielectric inertia-well which contains yet unrealized enormous, enormous kinetic energy potential. Likewise with enough proton bombardment and incredibly powerful electrostatic charge, bismuth, by all calculations should be a nucleal-kinetic energy device with magnitudes higher energy output than input.

Below: Lead and its genitor in radiative depletion, is Uranium; likewise the same for Plutonium which passes thru polonium into lead. However only Neptunium depletes into the heaviest stable element, bismuth. Uranium and Neptunium are the two primordial radioactive heavy elements of the universe; however Neptunium the far more rare in occurrence. Likewise the 9 parts per billion of bismuth is testament to this fact.


Below: One proton separates heaven from hell, bismuth on the left and on the right, polonium. Stable bismuth with a half life of 20 billion billion years, non-toxic, safe, and the extra proton of polonium throws bismuth’s dielectric inertia into chaos, (which is how polonium is created, by bombarding bismuth) so out of harmony that it becomes an extremely lethal tool of assassination and a short-lived deadly radioactive element where a millionth of a gram becomes fatal; likewise polonium is the initiator and nuclear trigger, along with beryllium, of an atomic bomb. There is a golden ratio balance between the protons and neutrons in Bismuth that will not ACCECPT A SINGLE ADDITIONAL PROTON without absolute chaos ensuing. This along with other evidentiary properties proves that bismuth has absolute dielectric inertia saturation, which explains its properties, explains its crystalline growth, explains its incredibly unstable nature when a mere single proton is added, explains its high diamagnetism. Dielectric inertia repels magnetism, pure and simple. Further below, bismuths spectrum absorption and emission has been a point of great study since it has dualistic properties dependent upon crystallization. Bismuth literally exists in a quasi-state of gravitational and inter-atomic spatial existence with inconsistent spectra emission and absorptions.

     Bismuth is the HEAVIEST STABLE ELEMENT that exists in the universe. Everything else is unstable, radioactive and typically highly toxic, not to mention thallium and lead just below bismuth, it has an atomic weight of 209, although it has the atomic number 83. If you subtract the number of protons (83) from the number 209 (the atomic weight) you get 126. That is the exact number of neutrons in the bismuth atom. Since protons are magnetically dominant, merely adding one proton to bismuth to create polonium creates both an incredibly lethal, short lived, toxic and radioactive element that virtually does not exist in nature. Polonium when inhaled or swallowed takes merely on millionth of a gram to be lethal. This is the very methodology used by Putin to murder Alexander Litvinenko. The Nuclear Gravitation Field Theory has to its premise that the “Strong Nuclear Force” and Dielectricity/ Gravity are one and the same force. Bismuth crystals grow extremely fast for a reason.


Likewise this property is seen in incorrectly deemed “superconductive” ceramics wherein which, under extreme cold the material obtains a super-state with an extremely small spatial (=magnetic) footprint which is filled by external magnetism causing them to act as one object regardless of the spaces between them, which are unreal to begin with. Fields mediate fields, and make no concessions or concerns for physical objective boundaries.
     Artificially high dielectric inertia achieved in ceramics due to supercooling is naturally present in bismuth. The importance of this attribute has yet to be realized by the world. Likewise as I have discovered, the sandwiching of bismuth between layers of strong divergent magnetic layers has fascinating phenomena. That bismuth is the universe’s most heavy stable element with extremely stable properties and incredibly high dielectric inertia as seen in many of its attributes including its crystalline growth, means that bismuth in its liquid state is highly susceptible to gravimetric and magnetic influences of either voidance of countervoidance. Bismuth is literally an element possessing a high ‘urge’ to collapse itself into dielectric counterspace. This special property has yet to be exploited.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on December 23, 2014, 09:29:13 PM
Ken,is the temp difference permanent ie stable???
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: PiCéd on December 23, 2014, 09:31:04 PM
19000000000000000000 years for the bismuth 209...
So, I realy don't know if this exepirience has to do with the magnetocaloric effet but it looks a bit like.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on December 23, 2014, 09:34:42 PM
Its absolutely not magnetocaloric if both items are standing still
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: PiCéd on December 23, 2014, 09:36:20 PM
Quote
Its absolutely not magnetocaloric if both items are standing still
Ah yes, it is a little bit what I would like to know of that.
Thank. :(
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: mscoffman on December 24, 2014, 07:19:41 PM
The first step would be to validate that the temperature difference is real.

I would suggest you stick with pixels but this time with a contact
thermometer like liquid crystal thermochromic paint;

http://www.indestructible.co.uk/thermochromic-paint

One could simply bisect the temperature range with an pre-existing bistable coating.

Then make a optical movie of a bichromic oscillator.
Use a model aircraft servo mechanism to assert and then de-assert the N55 magnet
in a particular time sequence and make a time lapse movie of result.
It should show the bismuth sphere pulsing in different colors
as it responds to differing magnetic fields strengths.

Also an alternate contact method:

http://www.bmedical.com.au/shop/core-body-temperature-capsule-ingestable-jonah.html

---

Unfortunately like the QEG any OU energy is not useful unless it comes out of the unit.


Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on December 24, 2014, 08:17:14 PM
Perhaps the magnet is not needed? Plutonium sphere gets hot in subcritical mass.perhaps bismuths own radioactivity increases with this geometry for some reason?
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TinselKoala on December 25, 2014, 09:50:52 AM
Perhaps the magnet is not needed? Plutonium sphere gets hot in subcritical mass.perhaps bismuths own radioactivity increases with this geometry for some reason?

Since the claimant has not reported the necessary details of the "experiment", or rather demonstration, and since he refuses to do, or rather to _report_,  any of the control experiments that various people have suggested, it is possible to come up with all kinds of alternate explanations for the data from the long-exposure FLIR imagery. For example, maybe the demonstration was conducted shortly after casting the bismuth sphere, and it is simply still warm from the casting, or from manual handling, or from eddy currents induced by waving the magnet around near the bismuth sphere. However, the most plausible explanation is that the shiny sphere is simply showing specular reflection of other heat sources in the vicinity, like the FLIR imager itself, or the claimant's forehead. I have provided links to references that demonstrate and explain this specular reflection phenomenon in some detail, even one that comes from the manufacturer of FLIR imagers quite like the one the claimant has apparently used to make the long-exposure images of the bismuth ball. Did you notice that you can see a similar, smaller, bright spot on the corner of the magnet itself, in the FLIR imagery from the claimant?  You can see that, other than the specular reflection on the corner, the magnet is uniform in temperature according to the image. But the bismuth sphere is NOT, it shows exactly the same nonuniform falsecolor profile across its diameter that one would expect from a specular reflection off a sphere, rather than the uniform color of an object that was actually hotter than its surroundings.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on December 25, 2014, 10:47:41 AM
Since the claimant has not reported the necessary details of the "experiment"



experiment only has TWO PARTS



if youre too dumb to put 2 NON-MOVING parts next to each other and TEST SAME....................


..........then you are either:


1. insanely dumb

2. insanely lazy


or both.  ;D


I opt for both
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on December 25, 2014, 10:49:14 AM
perhaps bismuths own radioactivity increases with this geometry for some reason?



no, bismuth is the most diamagnetic element.



everyone ASSUMES they know what "diamagnetic" means, but in fact do not.


they have descriptions in their minds, NOT explanations.


such is the world.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: pomodoro on December 25, 2014, 12:49:07 PM
If the apparatus is placed in a very well insulated box, its temperature should rise quite a lot as the heat generated in the ball is unable to escape and thus increases its temperature. Everyone agree?
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: ramset on December 25, 2014, 01:00:30 PM
10 degrees is a lot of heat ,and yes Pomodoro ,it would rise in a well insulated vessel.


Ken when I asked if you would be adverse to a 3rd party test .
what I meant was would you ship the parts to NYC and I would get them into the hands of an
overqualified engineer who's field of expertise is temperature measurement and control/ test protocol?


I will cover all costs,and return goods  when finished?


respectfully


Chet
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: pomodoro on December 25, 2014, 01:30:16 PM
Seem like anyone can replicate it. Bismuth is very cheap on eBay.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: ramset on December 25, 2014, 01:53:23 PM
that's not how this works...[the offer]
we look at is as a DUT and it goes from there ,otherwise we waste more time, resources as well as the possibility of not seeing the result and what then??


this is an offer to investigate a claim at no cost whatsoever to Ken ,  Oh there will be costs and very valuable time from men and equipment that do not come cheaply.


its a nice offer a friendly offer..
its Christmas!!

thx
Chet

Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TinselKoala on December 25, 2014, 05:25:28 PM
Seem like anyone can replicate it. Bismuth is very cheap on eBay.
And FLIR imagers are very expensive.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: Groundloop on December 25, 2014, 05:37:15 PM
And FLIR imagers are very expensive.

Hi TK,

Super glue a DS18S20 to the metal sphere, and read the DS18S20 on your Audrino mcu.
It has a 9 bit temp. resolution but if you also read the CREM resister then you can
get a 12 bit resolution.

http://www.maximintegrated.com/en/products/analog/sensors-and-sensor-interface/DS18S20.html

Merry Christmas,
GL.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TinselKoala on December 25, 2014, 05:38:10 PM
No, Kenny baby. The experiment, properly done, has more than two parts. But you have not done an experiment, you are only doing demonstrations. A true experiment always includes a control condition, and any true experiment using instruments for measurement also includes calibration tests and data for that instrument. You have left these out of your demonstration, which is not an experiment at all. But of course, a genius who already knows that he is right doesn't need to perform true experiments that have the potential to falsify his hypotheses and ultimately his whole theoretical stance.  Once again, it is not my responsibility to do your homework for you; it is entirely up to you to do proper experimentation, analysis and reporting of your findings, none of which you have ever done, as far as I can tell, with anything you have posted here or on EF.

If you're too dumb to use proper English in your posts, or to do proper control experiments when making outlandish claims, then you must be insanely dumb, and insanely lazy, OR BOTH, on top of your amazingly pathological ego-defensiveness. It's really pitiful to see someone relatively bright like you flailing about, emitting insults worthy of an eight-year-old girl, in an attempt to avoid admitting that you were and continue to be wrong about this claim. Pitiful, sad, and ... hilarious.  I think that _anyone_  who has confidence in his claims -- and who is right about them -- would have leaped at the chance to refute me and the other critics by posting the proper control experiments, showing for example that a ball of different material but the same emissivity and polish does not produce the same kind of image on the FLIR imager. The fact that you have not done so is strongly suggestive... that you cannot.



experiment only has TWO PARTS



if youre too dumb to put 2 NON-MOVING parts next to each other and TEST SAME....................


..........then you are either:


1. insanely dumb

2. insanely lazy


or both.  ;D


I opt for both
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TinselKoala on December 25, 2014, 05:52:36 PM
Believe it or not, I can think of several ways to measure accurately the temperature of the ball, and also to demonstrate specular IR reflections from a shiny sphere. But Groundloop... how can a few tens of dollars of instrumentation possibly be better or more accurate than a multi-thousand-dollar FLIR imager? Therefore the results will be invalid!   ::)

You could glue the ball and the magnet to a piece of wood or plastic and immerse the whole thing in water in a container made of heavy styrofoam, and monitor the temperature of the water with an ordinary kitchen digital thermometer costing a few dollars, poking through a small hole in the container. Either the water will heat up measurably fairly quickly, as it should if a real heat-producer were inside the container... or it will not. If it does not, what will we conclude? Will we conclude that the water and styrofoam are so frigging "dielectric" that it cancels out the "Wheeler Effect"... or will we conclude that there is actually no heat produced by the bismuth?

Do you really believe that Kenny Wheeler would accept the results of such a test, undoubtedly null, from _anyone_, especially me? It is his responsibility, and his alone, to provide proper alternative measures of temperature (control experiments and calibrations of the FLIR instrument).  You and I both know that the reason he is claiming it is the responsibility of others to repeat his "experiment" using the FLIR is because that instrument is expensive and none of us are likely to possess one, or want to take the trouble to rent one for a few days.

Merry Christmas to you and yours, also!

Hi TK,

Super glue a DS18S20 to the metal sphere, and read the DS18S20 on your Audrino mcu.
It has a 9 bit temp. resolution but if you also read the CREM resister then you can
get a 12 bit resolution.

http://www.maximintegrated.com/en/products/analog/sensors-and-sensor-interface/DS18S20.html (http://www.maximintegrated.com/en/products/analog/sensors-and-sensor-interface/DS18S20.html)

Merry Christmas,
GL.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TinselKoala on December 25, 2014, 06:00:30 PM
I will agree with Kenny on this one point: It is easy to reproduce the demonstration.

But it is also easy to turn it into a real, true experiment with proper controls and calibrations. You do not need his cooperation or participation on this issue. He has given the purity of the bismuth, the sizes of the sphere and magnet and the strength of the magnet. All you need is the specific part number of the FLIR imager so you can go buy or rent the same model. Or, if all you want to do is to determine the actual temperature of the bismuth sphere, you can use alternative methods, like that suggested by GL, or even by me or the other "skeptics" who have weighed in on the issue. You don't need Kenny's sphere, magnet and imager at all, unless you think there is something special about them.

Of course my own preferred approach would be not only to confirm, or falsify, the claim that the sphere is producing heat, but also to reproduce the instrument artifacts that may be misleading the naive researcher who doesn't actually perform true experiments at all. For this, one would need a similar FLIR imager to that which the claimant has used, which will add greatly to the cost of the experiment. Not all of us have the luxury of unlimited funds that can be thrown around chasing wild geese through the snow.

that's not how this works...[the offer]
we look at is as a DUT and it goes from there ,otherwise we waste more time, resources as well as the possibility of not seeing the result and what then??


this is an offer to investigate a claim at no cost whatsoever to Ken ,  Oh there will be costs and very valuable time from men and equipment that do not come cheaply.


its a nice offer a friendly offer..
its Christmas!!

thx
Chet
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: mscoffman on December 25, 2014, 07:25:57 PM
Sorry Experimenter but non-contact IR temperature measurement doesn't cut it. The reason is the exact mechanism of
the temperature rise could interfere with the non-contact measuring mechanism of the instrument. There must be contact
temperature measuring because that is how any energy extraction mechanism would function. Any IR extraction mechanism
would be highly questionable and highly problematic and would need to proven in a separate mechanism.

Materials automatically convert sensible / latent temperature energy into IR radiative heat energy but in all materials
to present the mechanism is "reversible"  If the magnet can create an IR "ratchet" in bismuth and make the material receive
better than it sends, IR heat energy would be captured - a purely 2LOT violation. This is not the only thermal ratchet mechanism
available to bismuth but it is the first. Metals all tend to have anomalous parameters in the above areas, that's what makes
them feel cool to the touch and difficult to instrument, but all so far are still reversible. It could be that all bismuth's physical
orbital anomalies make it a metal parameter outlier or...   

By arranging an experiment as I suggested you could have "slam dunk" experiment that you could show and then walk away from.

As for profitis suggestion that this some sort of a critical mass thing, remember the pre LENR physicist refrain;
  "No free neutrons => no fission reaction"     Obviously worth a quick check.

:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on December 25, 2014, 08:26:42 PM
And FLIR imagers are very expensive.


so thats it, your broke ass cannot buy a FLIR



Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: MileHigh on December 25, 2014, 08:44:33 PM

so thats it, your broke ass cannot buy a FLIR

More like your skank ass cannot be reasonable and respectful and avoid inventing things out of thin air.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TinselKoala on December 25, 2014, 10:19:25 PM
Whether or not I choose to spend money on instruments like that is completely irrelevant, Kenny baby. Once again you engage in false argumentation and insult, because your tremendous and tremendously fragile ego cannot accept any criticism. You're rich and I'm poor, boo hoo hoo. That actually INCREASES your responsibility to perform, and report, adequate testing of your own claims, since you are so much more capable of doing so -- or would be so capable, if only you reasoned properly. Every time you respond to me or someone else with braggadocio instead of valid argumentation, you continue to demonstrate your own fragility and ego-defensiveness. You are really a textbook case, very closely akin to Rosemary Ainslie, although you may be a bit more educated than she. You exhibit the Dunning-Kruger syndrome, combined with a pathological need for approval and an incredibly fragile self-esteem. Sad, pathetic and... hilarious you are.

And another page of the thread goes by without you doing your own due diligence, or rather _reporting_ what you undoubtedly have already found out about your bismuth sphere fantasy.


so thats it, your broke ass cannot buy a FLIR
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: tinman on December 26, 2014, 12:24:35 AM
Just ordered 3 chunk's.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Pure-99-99-Bismuth-Bullion-Bar-50-Gram-Chunk-Piece-Pieces-Silver-Like-/281127898374?pt=AU_Bullion&hash=item4174874d06#ht_1072wt_684

Have the magnets already.
Have the 8 ounce casting die's already-sinker moulds.
This one i have to try.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on December 26, 2014, 12:33:02 AM
Quote frm tinselkoala:
'Since the claimant has not reported the necessary details of the "experiment", or rather demonstration, and since he refuses to do, or rather to _report_,  any of the control experiments that various people have suggested, it is possible to come up with all kinds of alternate explanations for the data from the long-exposure FLIR imagery. For example, maybe the demonstration was conducted shortly after casting the bismuth sphere, and it is simply still warm from the casting, or from manual handling, or from eddy currents induced by waving the magnet around near the bismuth sphere. However, the most plausible explanation is that the shiny sphere is simply showing specular reflection of other heat sources in the vicinity, like the FLIR imager itself, or the claimant's forehead. I have provided links to references that demonstrate and explain this specular reflection phenomenon in some detail, even one that comes from the manufacturer of FLIR imagers quite like the one the claimant has apparently used to make the long-exposure images of the bismuth ball. Did you notice that you can see a similar, smaller, bright spot on the corner of the magnet itself, in the FLIR imagery from the claimant?  You can see that, other than the specular reflection on the corner, the magnet is uniform in temperature according to the image. But the bismuth sphere is NOT, it shows exactly the same nonuniform falsecolor profile across its diameter that one would expect from a specular reflection off a sphere, rather than the uniform color of an object that was actually hotter than its surroundings.
Navigation'

End quote

You could be right,OR you could be wrong and kenny has unwittingly stumbled onto something else here.freshly cast bismuth is quite mirror-like and will,like most shiny metals,reflect far infrared radiation.if you have a near-perfect hollow mirror-sphere,will not all those ambient infrared rays be focused onto a centre-point somewhere in the middle?in violation of 2lot? There's a thread tucked away here somewhere from a few years back where a guy did similar measurements with a metalic cone-mirror and found a definite hotspot in the focal point,well above ambient temp.we may here have internal infrared reflection and focusing of ambient heat,a perpetuum mobilum.it should work with a near perfect aluminum sphere too,if I'm right
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on December 26, 2014, 01:42:56 AM
I would like somebody to take an infra-shot at precisely the top open part of a thermos flask staring direct downward.I will bet that there will be a temperature differential there in middlish
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on December 26, 2014, 01:46:31 AM
I would like somebody to take an infra-shot


the rest of these lazy keyboard jockey worthless fucks dont "DO" anything.



they lip flap and tell you why something they NEVER DID, and NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT, is "wrong" , etc etc.



theyre cute and amusing.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on December 26, 2014, 02:11:03 AM
So true kenny.lets see if they get off their butts and rule out a 2lot violation here. 
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TinselKoala on December 26, 2014, 04:31:53 AM
Ah, Kenny baby, you still pretend like you just don't get it, don't you. Your pitiful attempts at salvaging your insecure ego are really sad to see. You continue with your logical fallacies and irrelevant posturings, each time demonstrating that you have no clue about how science is actually done. You are claiming a violation of some pretty strongly held laws of Nature, and you have provided no solid evidence for your claims. The "Keyboard Jockeys" against whom you flail so ineffectively, in your attempts to defend your fragile ego, are simply trying to get you to do things properly: support your claims with actual data that is reliable and can assign causal relationships. You have never yet done this with any of your demonstrations. The default position, taken by any rational person with a modicum of knowledge, is that you are wrong and your "measurements" are faulty, and many people have pointed out why and how. Since you so strongly resist reporting the results from simple control experiments, and considering your psychological makeup, there remains only one conclusion that fits the observed facts: you are a blowhard bumbler and nothing you report can be trusted.

And you are still having problems expressing yourself in English, I see. Maybe you should stick to literary criticism of Buddhist writings. At least there, you can browbeat your correspondents all you like without fear of scientific refutation. Yes, Kenny, you are full of fear, terrified that you will be proven wrong and that everyone will see how naked you are under your tattoos.

Didn't you forget something? Where's the usual chain of laughing cartoons? You have made a cartoon of yourself, you know, quite literally.


the rest of these lazy keyboard jockey worthless fucks dont "DO" anything.

they lip flap and tell you why something they NEVER DID, and NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT, is "wrong" , etc etc.

theyre cute and amusing.


You could be right,OR you could be wrong and kenny has unwittingly stumbled onto something else here.freshly cast bismuth is quite mirror-like and will,like most shiny metals,reflect far infrared radiation.if you have a near-perfect hollow mirror-sphere,will not all those ambient infrared rays be focused onto a centre-point somewhere in the middle?in violation of 2lot? There's a thread tucked away here somewhere from a few years back where a guy did similar measurements with a metalic cone-mirror and found a definite hotspot in the focal point,well above ambient temp.we may here have internal infrared reflection and focusing of ambient heat,a perpetuum mobilum.it should work with a near perfect aluminum sphere too,if I'm right

So you think a lens is overunity? You think temperature is energy? That's pretty funny.  Yes, I could be right, OR I could be wrong... and Kenny baby has the materials at hand to find out which. In fact he already knows which, but won't report the results of his own trials. You'll never see him putting his sphere and magnet into a thermally insulated container to demonstrate an actual temperature rise inside the container using a sensitive thermocouple, or doing a contact measurement with an accurate sensor like Groundloop has suggested, or any of a dozen other valid tests. Why not? I think even you, profitis, would do the tests and report them honestly.
But Kenny won't. His ego is like a stinking, rotten tooth: poke it and he screams in pain, lashes out with his insults worthy of an eight-year-old and runs for the anaesthetic toothpaste of his ego defenses. When all it would take is a tiny effort on his part, _if his claims were true_, to produce a sound refutation of his critics. Here and on Energetic Forum the story is the same, except he knows better -- barely -- than to engage in childish insults and potty mouth rantings there. He simply ignores his critics there, who have pointed out the same lackings in his naive demonstrations, and have suggested the same kinds of proper control experiments. I think it's hilarious that he can't even convince the denizens of that forum, who generally swallow any claim of "OU" hook line and sinker, with his weak demonstrations that do not even rise to the level of a sophomore science project.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TinselKoala on December 26, 2014, 04:41:53 AM
Just ordered 3 chunk's.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Pure-99-99-Bismuth-Bullion-Bar-50-Gram-Chunk-Piece-Pieces-Silver-Like-/281127898374?pt=AU_Bullion&hash=item4174874d06#ht_1072wt_684 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Pure-99-99-Bismuth-Bullion-Bar-50-Gram-Chunk-Piece-Pieces-Silver-Like-/281127898374?pt=AU_Bullion&hash=item4174874d06#ht_1072wt_684)

Have the magnets already.
Have the 8 ounce casting die's already-sinker moulds.
This one i have to try.

But do you have a color FLIR imager, of the same quality, and more importantly the same _cost_ as Kenny's? Or will you have to take the "poor man's route" and use a contact thermometer, or calorimetry in an insulated container, or try to run a LTD Stirling engine on the alleged heat output of the bismuth?

Here's a testable hypothesis from me: If your measurements support Kenny's claim, he will be ecstatic and will be your friend for life. And if they do not... he will claim that your measurements are invalid and that you are just another bumbling lip-flapping keyboard jockey who has never had an original thought and can't actually do anything right.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: MileHigh on December 26, 2014, 04:53:40 AM
So true kenny.lets see if they get off their butts and rule out a 2lot violation here.

You have to REALLY start thinking straight.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TinselKoala on December 26, 2014, 05:19:51 AM
You have to REALLY start thinking straight.

That's right. It is not the duty of critics to perform experiments that might yield results that counter the claimant's, although it may be interesting when they do so. It is _always_ the duty of the claimant to provide solid evidence for his own claims, in the form of proper measurements, properly conducted true experiments, and valid critical analyses.
You can see this happening with "real" scientists all the time. The recent case of Haruko Obokata is illustrative. She was allowed to try to repeat her own reported experiments under supervision, and when she couldn't... well, we know the rest of that story don't we. One of her co-authors even committed suicide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haruko_Obokata
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on December 26, 2014, 10:22:35 AM
Quote frm tinselkoala:'o you think a lens is overunity? You think temperature is energy?'

End quote

Absolutely.kelvinsstatement expressly forbids spontaneous concentration of heat under even distribution conditions
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on December 26, 2014, 10:30:26 AM
I get a permanent delta h gradient left-to-right in this pyrite crystal pictured here.would work far better if it were exactly in focal point of foil.shiny side of foil is on the inside against crystal
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on December 26, 2014, 11:09:36 AM
Have the magnets already.
Have the 8 ounce casting die's already-sinker moulds.
This one i have to try.




Now theres a guy that really sticks his balls to the grindstone!




(that was a compliment, in case you were in doubt)


ROFL  ;D
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on December 26, 2014, 11:14:04 AM
If your measurements support Kenny's claim, he will be ecstatic and will be your friend for life. And if they do not... he will claim that your measurements are invalid and that you are just another bumbling lip-flapping keyboard jockey who has never had an original thought and can't actually do anything right.



thats not true, actually.       I know TINMAN   "DOES"



If he came back saying "well fuck you (meaning me), I couldnt reproduce X,........etc etc " ...   regarding anything I said....... it wouldnt bother me a bit, and I would never say a negative peep against him for any reason.


Ive seen TINMANS videos.........


hes a hardworking nose to the grindstone explorer, inventor etc........, and even if he called me every name in the book, I would still have all the respect in the world for the guy.


Id be the lowest dirtiest goddamn asshole alive for saying a PEEP against Tinman or anyone LIKE HIM.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TinselKoala on December 26, 2014, 11:29:20 AM
So you have changed your mind about tinman, then? Don't you remember how you responded when he first challenged you? I do.

It's not his style to call anyone names, like you do, Kenny baby, so even now you are putting forth your usual strawman fallacy.




thats not true, actually.       I know TINMAN   "DOES"



If he came back saying "well fuck you (meaning me), I couldnt reproduce X,........etc etc " ...   regarding anything I said....... it wouldnt bother me a bit, and I would never say a negative peep against him for any reason.


Ive seen TINMANS videos.........


hes a hardworking nose to the grindstone explorer, inventor etc........, and even if he called me every name in the book, I would still have all the respect in the world for the guy.


Id be the lowest dirtiest goddamn asshole alive for saying a PEEP against Tinman or anyone LIKE HIM.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TinselKoala on December 26, 2014, 11:36:11 AM
Quote frm tinselkoala:'o you think a lens is overunity? You think temperature is energy?'

End quote

Absolutely.kelvinsstatement expressly forbids spontaneous concentration of heat under even distribution conditions

Amazing. A lens is overunity, absolutely, according to you. Temperature is energy, absolutely, according to you. So everybody with a camera, everybody with a magnifying glass that concentrates the sun's light to burn a bit of paper, is using an overunity device. Amazing. That puts your posts in context, doesn't it. I expect you to be applying for Stefan's OU prize at any moment.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on December 26, 2014, 12:10:24 PM
So everybody with a camera, everybody with a magnifying glass that concentrates the sun's light to burn a bit of paper, is using an overunity device.


clueless confusion of CONNOTATION with DENOTATION.


harvesting FREE energy (from the sun OR A MAGNETIC DIVERGENCE FIELD)   is just that, FREE ENERGY, with ZERO MOVING PARTS, and only ONE PART


ONE PART = LENS (as per the sun)........... or a BISMUTH SPHERE  (as per the magnet)


ZERO INPUT FORCE VECTOR CONCENTRATION from the LOSS OF INERTIA (= force and motion),........be it light from the sun, or magnetic divergence.




and by ZERO INPUT, we mean "using / harvesting" what is ALWAYS PRESENT, ALWAYS FREE, and it need only be CONCENTRATED from its SPATIAL RAREFACTION





overunity no,  ENDLESS ZERO INPUT WORK FREE ENERGY HARVESTING, YES




The human race doesnt give a tinkers DAMN if its OVERUNITY or FREE ENERGY ,.....as long as its energy.  ;D




Now, you have to ask yourself the HYPOTHETICAL (since you deny my "experiment", which I dont give a damn if you do or not)......>>>>......is HARVESTING MAGNETIC COMPRESSION AND RAREFACTION FREE ENERGY, OR OVERUNITY





True "overunity" doesnt exist, because one cannot HARVEST the loss of inertia without FORCING the inertia to be LOST to begin with, which requires WORK

period




ALL LOSS OF INERTIA IS THE ONLY PLACE ANY ENERGY CAN COME FROM, ........EITHER "overunity"  OR "FREE energy"

PERIOD, NOT UP FOR DEBATE, CARVED IN STONE FOR ALL TIME AND FOREVER


now, wrap your brain around THAT FACT.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: ramset on December 26, 2014, 12:21:29 PM
Ken
See ...now TinMan has to spend time on buying and replicating this ,and he may not have everything to properly analyze it.
He does much for this community..why can't you let some others carry water for him?[he's carried a lot for us]


send The Bits to NY and we'll do this for him...he has tons of other work he is desperately trying to get to ....


??
thx


Chet
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on December 26, 2014, 12:25:07 PM
Ken
See ...now TinMan has to spend time on buying and replicating this ,and he may not have everything to properly analyze it.
He does much for this community..why can't you let some others carry water for him?
Chet




Wait a min. now,    :o   I never asked or requested ANYONE other than the brothers numbnuts (highformiles and tinfoilhat) to "do the work themselves"

the problem is that, everyone is too lazy to "carry water" but HIM ,........  I agree hes too busy, .....I had NO INTENTION OF DIVERTING his time or money etc etc.



I cant be accused of twisting anyones arm to do anything, much less that kind fellow.      ;D



as for the free bismuth, id be GLAD to have given him some if i knew he wanted some.
the only pisser of course being having to go to the post office to ship it to DOWN UNDER, ...however you said it can be forwarded to you.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: ramset on December 26, 2014, 12:50:33 PM
TinMan works with Us,we will get it to him as well as Dr.Jones and his"Calorimetry Crew".


thank you I will contact you later


respectfully
Chet
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on December 26, 2014, 02:20:07 PM
Quote frm tinselkoala:' So everybody with a camera, everybody with a magnifying glass that concentrates the sun's light to burn a bit of paper, is using an overunity device'

End quote

Incorrect.you need a concentrated heat source to burn paper with a lense.you don't need a concentrated heat source to raise paper above ambient temperature using mirrors.mirrors can and do violate the 2nd law thermodynamics
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: tinman on December 26, 2014, 02:24:13 PM
It's all good guy's,i really dont mind,as it's not that much to buy--and i already ordered it lol.

Chet-i have all i need to do accurate temp measurement's. I have digital thermometers,i have analog termometer's,i have analog bimetal dial thermometer's,i have resistance temp detector's,i have an infrared temp gun-->and i got water as well as lot's of insulation of all type's. What more do i need?--> oh yea,time lol.

This is just to simple,and to easy not to try. And what if it actually work's-then what? Would this confirm magnetic spin?--> wouldnt that be a hoot.
Now,can a stirling engine run on a 10 deg C temp difference?
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TinselKoala on December 26, 2014, 02:35:18 PM
You emit more clueless strawman rantings and gobbledegook, Kenny baby. The passage that you quote from me is a simple restatement of what profitis said in his post.
Quote frm tinselkoala:'o you think a lens is overunity? You think temperature is energy?'

End quote

Absolutely.kelvinsstatement expressly forbids spontaneous concentration of heat under even distribution conditions
(emphasis mine)

And now he seems to be attempting to change or deny what he said there:
Quote frm tinselkoala:' So everybody with a camera, everybody with a magnifying glass that concentrates the sun's light to burn a bit of paper, is using an overunity device'

End quote

Incorrect.you need a concentrated heat source to burn paper with a lense.you don't need a concentrated heat source to raise paper above ambient temperature using mirrors.mirrors can and do violate the 2nd law thermodynamics

You are both getting all tangled up.

And what I "deny", Strawman Kenny baby, is that your demonstration is an experiment. It is not. You cannot conclude what you have concluded, rationally, from what you have presented, because you have not RULED OUT other possible explanations for your measurements. And another page goes by with your attempts to bury your lack of controls, and your personal lack of self-control, behind post after post of silly gobbledegook, when you could easily post the results of your control tests. Put the bismuth sphere and magnet in a thermally insulated container and use a thermocouple to show an actual and continuing climb in the temperature within the container. You can afford a thermocouple, can't you? But you will never do true experiments that have the potential to falsify your hypotheses, like a real and honest scientist would do, gladly, in cooperation with his critics, because your fragile ego cannot stand even the thought of being proved wrong. You have far too much invested in your claims and your "theory", which barely rises to the level of conjecture, to risk being shot down.





clueless confusion of CONNOTATION with DENOTATION.


harvesting FREE energy (from the sun OR A MAGNETIC DIVERGENCE FIELD)   is just that, FREE ENERGY, with ZERO MOVING PARTS, and only ONE PART


ONE PART = LENS (as per the sun)........... or a BISMUTH SPHERE  (as per the magnet)


ZERO INPUT FORCE VECTOR CONCENTRATION from the LOSS OF INERTIA (= force and motion),........be it light from the sun, or magnetic divergence.




and by ZERO INPUT, we mean "using / harvesting" what is ALWAYS PRESENT, ALWAYS FREE, and it need only be CONCENTRATED from its SPATIAL RAREFACTION





overunity no,  ENDLESS ZERO INPUT WORK FREE ENERGY HARVESTING, YES




The human race doesnt give a tinkers DAMN if its OVERUNITY or FREE ENERGY ,.....as long as its energy.  ;D




Now, you have to ask yourself the HYPOTHETICAL (since you deny my "experiment", which I dont give a damn if you do or not)......>>>>......is HARVESTING MAGNETIC COMPRESSION AND RAREFACTION FREE ENERGY, OR OVERUNITY





True "overunity" doesnt exist, because one cannot HARVEST the loss of inertia without FORCING the inertia to be LOST to begin with, which requires WORK

period




ALL LOSS OF INERTIA IS THE ONLY PLACE ANY ENERGY CAN COME FROM, ........EITHER "overunity"  OR "FREE energy"

PERIOD, NOT UP FOR DEBATE, CARVED IN STONE FOR ALL TIME AND FOREVER


now, wrap your brain around THAT FACT.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on December 26, 2014, 02:39:57 PM
@tinman point your gun direct at the entrance of a thermos flask and report to us what you see
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: tinman on December 26, 2014, 02:45:31 PM
@tinman point your gun direct at the entrance of a thermos flask and report to us what you see
Will go do it right now. BBS
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on December 26, 2014, 02:46:02 PM
Quote frm tinselkoala:'You are both getting all tangled up'
End quote

Incorrect.mirrors can and do violate the laws of thermodynamics
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TinselKoala on December 26, 2014, 02:47:16 PM
It's all good guy's,i really dont mind,as it's not that much to buy--and i already ordered it lol.

Chet-i have all i need to do accurate temp measurement's. I have digital thermometers,i have analog termometer's,i have analog bimetal dial thermometer's,i have resistance temp detector's,i have an infrared temp gun-->and i got water as well as lot's of insulation of all type's. What more do i need?--> oh yea,time lol.

This is just to simple,and to easy not to try. And what if it actually work's-then what? Would this confirm magnetic spin?--> wouldnt that be a hoot.
Now,can a stirling engine run on a 10 deg C temp difference?
Yes, of course an LTD Stirling can run on 10 degrees C difference, even much smaller. And it would be trivial for the claimant to purchase such an engine from a commercial source (since he probably can't build one himself) and show it running on the temperature difference between the bismuth sphere and the ambient. You'd do it, as would anyone else trying to provide support for the claim... if it were only true.

Here's one that will run on 2 degrees C differential, according to the maker:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdX7hwjhgA4
And here's one that I made myself, all parts except the bearings, filled with helium and running on a cup of warm water:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYovJzmCLdw
This one will even run backwards, sitting on a bowl of snow.

But the claim isn't of 10 degrees C excess heat, is it? Wasn't it 10 degrees F? Still well within the range of a carefully built LTD of the design shown in the first video above.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on December 26, 2014, 02:48:18 PM
@tinman.compare the throat of the flask with next to flask
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TinselKoala on December 26, 2014, 02:52:17 PM
Quote frm tinselkoala:'You are both getting all tangled up'
End quote

Incorrect.mirrors can and do violate the laws of thermodynamics

You are such a comic! I am laughing all over the floor! You can provide no evidence for your assertion. Please explain just how mirrors can and do "violate the laws of thermodynamics" and explain why nobody has ever noticed this before!
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TinselKoala on December 26, 2014, 02:57:31 PM
@tinman point your gun direct at the entrance of a thermos flask and report to us what you see

Why don't you state your formal hypothesis and what the results will indicate to you?  What will an observed temperature difference, using an IR thermometer, indicate? Can you use this observed meter reading, should it be greater than ambient,  to run an engine? To perform _any_ useful work? If not, what does that tell you about the relationship between temperature readings obtained in this manner, and actual energy content?

Can you explain why the temperature of water, put in even the best thermos flask and sealed up, will always drop instead of rising?Or perhaps you think you have invented the self-heating thermos. This explanation is one I have absolutely got to read. Why does the coffee cool off, if mirrors violate 2LoT?
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: tinman on December 26, 2014, 03:00:33 PM
@tinman point your gun direct at the entrance of a thermos flask and report to us what you see
OK,tried my S/S thermos and glass thermos.
Ambiant temp on wall thermometer--37.2*c
Work bench top temp--36.6*c
S/S thermos after left open for 5 minute's--35.8*c
Glass thermos after left open for 5 minutes-could not get a reading,gun kept ranging.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on December 26, 2014, 03:06:45 PM
Quote frm tinselkoala:'ou are such a comic! I am laughing all over the floor! You can provide no evidence for your assertion. Please explain just how mirrors can and do "violate the laws of thermodynamics" and explain why nobody has ever noticed this before.'
End quote

A few have noticed this before.disperse heatrays are partially focused onto a point of concentration.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on December 26, 2014, 03:17:10 PM
Try filling the flask with water @tinman and wait enough time for equilibration of temperature.that gun must point direct down the throat at near range
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on December 26, 2014, 03:25:15 PM
Quote frm tk:'Why does the coffee cool off, if mirrors violate 2LoT?'
End quote

Hot Coffie will cool off and settle slightly above ambient
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on December 26, 2014, 03:56:49 PM
You can provide no evidence for your assertion.


he is certain that all experiments are invalid.......


yet his flapping lips and rusted iron (twisted) mind IS VALID.




What you and others fail to point out about his "type"
is he has quantified his flapping lips as perpetually SUPERIOR to any empirical experimentation.



hence,....my laughter.  ;D
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: tinman on December 26, 2014, 04:39:16 PM
Try filling the flask with water @tinman and wait enough time for equilibration of temperature.that gun must point direct down the throat at near range

OK,here is what i did.
Filled one drinking glass full of tap water-19.2*C
Filled S/S thermos with same tap water-19.2*C
Added green food dye to both glass and thermos of water,as temp gun dosnt like reading clear water temp to well.
Waited 45 minutes.
Ambiant temp 35.8*C
Water in glass now 26.4*C
Water in thermos now 21.6*C

Will remeasure in the morning,and see how things look.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on December 26, 2014, 06:52:16 PM
@tinman it looks like evaporation will cause problem cooling,throw out water and replace with charcoal powder,paint powder or cooking oil
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: lzbin80 on December 26, 2014, 08:22:42 PM
I just bought 100g of Bismuth, with my harddrive magnet, when delivery arrived, i am going to try it. Going to post me result with poor people's measure tools later, lol. A thermometer or a glass package diode for temp measurment!!!
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: picowatt on December 26, 2014, 09:22:43 PM
It's all good guy's,i really dont mind,as it's not that much to buy--and i already ordered it lol.

Chet-i have all i need to do accurate temp measurement's. I have digital thermometers,i have analog termometer's,i have analog bimetal dial thermometer's,i have resistance temp detector's,i have an infrared temp gun-->and i got water as well as lot's of insulation of all type's. What more do i need?--> oh yea,time lol.

This is just to simple,and to easy not to try. And what if it actually work's-then what? Would this confirm magnetic spin?--> wouldnt that be a hoot.
Now,can a stirling engine run on a 10 deg C temp difference?

Tinman,

As always, I look forward to the results of your experiments.

However, I have not seen any evidence presented that would suggest bismuth emits heat in the presence of a static magnetic field, certainly no more so than the evidence presented by TA regarding his claim that a magnet emits heat.

I am, therefore, curious as to whether you (or anyone else) ever measured the face of a magnet to test TA's past assertion that a magnet emits heat.  If you did, what were the results?  If not, why?

PW
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on December 26, 2014, 10:48:45 PM
static magnetic field,




NO SUCH THING EXISTS.   ;D




You might as well deduce from ignorance that the earth is perfectly still when you are laying out in a green valley somewhere.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: GT899 on December 26, 2014, 11:02:18 PM
Hey TheoriaApophasis, This is truly impressive! I have loads of bismuth already so have just bought a 50mm sphere mould for melting the bismuth.

Just choosing a good magnet.
Pyramid magnets seem to be incredibly powerful, take a look at this video for a quick explanation about them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNtZUFhjquw

I will let you know how it goes! I was also thinking to amplify any heat, perhaps use the double flower pot heater design that people use to heat a room up from a tealight candle.

Thanks for sharing this Theoria!
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: picowatt on December 26, 2014, 11:16:21 PM



NO SUCH THING EXISTS.   ;D




You might as well deduce from ignorance that the earth is perfectly still when you are laying out in a green valley somewhere.

Well then, the field from a static (i.e., stationary) permanent magnet, if that makes you more comfortable.  I only meant to specify a stationary PM as opposed to a PM in motion or an EM with an AC/pulsed drive.  I am certain Tinman will understand that to be what I meant by "static magnetic field".

(Although I have seen no evidence which demonstrates any detectable motion of the magnetic field surrounding a permanent magnet). 

Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on December 27, 2014, 12:14:30 AM
take a look at this video for a quick explanation about them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNtZUFhjquw


yes, i know him, thats george.  ;D
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on December 27, 2014, 12:17:54 AM
(Although I have seen no evidence which demonstrates any detectable motion of the magnetic field surrounding a permanent magnet).


there is tons of such evidence.


a generator, or any AC motor could not exist/work without said spatial magnetic flux density varied (rotations) with respect to time against a dielectric reflector (copper etc).


any spatially quantifiable field is denotatively the product of force and motion


KEY WORD being motion.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: picowatt on December 27, 2014, 12:29:07 AM

there is tons of such evidence.


a generator, or any AC motor could not exist/work without said spatial magnetic flux density varied (rotations) with respect to time against a dielectric reflector (copper etc).


any spatially quantifiable field is denotatively the product of force and motion


KEY WORD being motion.

I have seen no evidence demonstrating any detectable motion of the magnetic field surrounding a "stationary" permanent magnet, and your examples present none.

Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on December 27, 2014, 12:56:33 AM
I have seen no evidence demonstrating any detectable motion of the magnetic field surrounding a "stationary" permanent magnet, and your examples present none.


I see your study of IAAD is nill and zero   


(instantaneous action at a distance).




likewise GYROMAGNETIC PRECESSION is a very WELL KNOWN ENTITY


also known as the larmor frequency,    (hint hint hint  FREQUENCY = MOVEMENT)

any MRI technician knows about it.



As I said, there are TONS of examples.




Essentially (like everyone ELSE), you dont even have a VERY RUDIMENTARY grasp of what magnetism IS
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: picowatt on December 27, 2014, 12:58:23 AM

I see your study of IAAD is nill and zero   


(instantaneous action at a distance).

likewise GYROMAGNETIC PRECESSION is a very WELL KNOWN ENTITY


any MRI technician knows about it.



As I said, there are TONS of examples.

I have seen no evidence demonstrating any detectable motion of the magnetic field surrounding a "stationary" permanent magnet, and, again, your examples present none.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on December 27, 2014, 01:09:38 AM
I have seen no evidence demonstrating any detectable motion of the magnetic field surrounding a "stationary" permanent magnet, and, again, your examples present none.


then youre blind, clueless, and dumb to boot. 


 GYROMAGNETIC PRECESSION is a very WELL KNOWN ENTITY


also known as the larmor frequency,    (hint hint hint  FREQUENCY = MOVEMENT)




Go research, or dont, ..........I dont give a damn.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: picowatt on December 27, 2014, 01:17:25 AM

then youre blind, clueless, and dumb to boot. 


 GYROMAGNETIC PRECESSION is a very WELL KNOWN ENTITY


also known as the larmor frequency,    (hint hint hint  FREQUENCY = MOVEMENT)




Go research, or dont, ..........I dont give a damn.

At the risk of derailing this thread, the response of a proton to an externally applied (and modulated) magnetic field as is done in an MRI machine does not in any way provide evidence of motion of the magnetic field surrounding a stationary permanent magnet.

So once again, I have seen no evidence demonstrating any detectable motion of the magnetic field surrounding a "stationary" permanent magnet, and your examples present none. 
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on December 27, 2014, 01:34:26 AM
externally applied (and modulated) magnetic field


OK, proven dumb then.


gyromagnetic precession is present in any magnetic system, be it atomic or magnet,    FORGET about MRI.



Likewise the phase shift is proven via the ferrocell, likewise POLARITY PHASE SHIFT is a known entity with biased rarefaction on the N pole.



Youre daft, but no shocker.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: picowatt on December 27, 2014, 01:44:15 AM

OK, proven dumb then.


gyromagnetic precession is present in any magnetic system, be it atomic or magnet,    FORGET about MRI.



Likewise the phase shift is proven via the ferrocell, likewise POLARITY PHASE SHIFT is a known entity with biased rarefaction on the N pole.



Youre daft, but no shocker.

The stationary patterns produced with your Ferrocell and a PM provide no evidence of motion of the magnetic field surrounding a stationary permanent magnet.

So once again, I have seen no evidence demonstrating any detectable motion of the magnetic field surrounding a "stationary" permanent magnet, and your examples continue to present none.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on December 29, 2014, 10:29:43 AM
So did anybody try kens replication here? Wtf
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on December 29, 2014, 10:30:47 AM
Pomodoro? Surely u got bismuth there in the lab?
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: tinman on December 29, 2014, 11:09:27 AM
So did anybody try kens replication here? Wtf
Bismuth on it's way.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: tinman on December 29, 2014, 11:14:57 AM
Tinman,

As always, I look forward to the results of your experiments.


I am, therefore, curious as to whether you (or anyone else) ever measured the face of a magnet to test TA's past assertion that a magnet emits heat.  If you did, what were the results?  If not, why?

PW
Did the test,and to close to call. 20x20x20mm n52 has a .2/.3*C temp difference than that of the same size piece of key steel. Side by side and tested at 3 different times of day,the magnet was always .2/.3*C hotter. But here is the kicker,my little pet rock(we call it coffee rock here in OZ)is .4*C hotter than the magnet. So inconclusive on that one.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TinselKoala on December 29, 2014, 12:49:09 PM
Inconclusive? What was the actual hypothesis under test, that you would have stated before testing began? Your reported data seem to indicate to me that any measured temperature rise is in the "noise floor", rather than indicating an actual temperature rise. Your data from the "coffee rock" supports this conclusion as well. So I think what you have reported is far from "inconclusive". If your hypothesis was that a magnet will be measurably warmer than its surroundings... you have falsified that hypothesis pretty soundly, I think. You have been unable to measure a definite, non-artifactual temperature above ambient from your test magnet.

You may find the following article of interest:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emissivity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emissivity)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LesliesCube.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LesliesCube.png)

All faces and objects mounted on the cube are at the same actual temperature; only the emissivities are varied.

Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: tinman on December 29, 2014, 01:14:56 PM
Inconclusive? What was the actual hypothesis under test, that you would have stated before testing began? Your reported data seem to indicate to me that any measured temperature rise is in the "noise floor", rather than indicating an actual temperature rise. Your data from the "coffee rock" supports this conclusion as well. So I think what you have reported is far from "inconclusive". If your hypothesis was that a magnet will be measurably warmer than its surroundings... you have falsified that hypothesis pretty soundly, I think. You have been unable to measure a definite, non-artifactual temperature above ambient from your test magnet.

You may find the following article of interest:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emissivity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emissivity)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LesliesCube.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LesliesCube.png)

All faces and objects mounted on the cube are at the same actual temperature; only the emissivities are varied.
Inconclusive as in ,the coffee rock is darker in color and would absorb ambiant heat better than the shiny neo magnet that would reflect heat.So if the neo magnet was flat black,or coffee rock brown,it may well have a higher temp than the coffee rock. So in order for the test to be conclusive,the magnet would have to be the same color as the coffee rock,and be above ambiant temp. As i have not done that test,that means that the result's i have so far are indeed inconclusive.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TinselKoala on December 29, 2014, 02:56:03 PM
Inconclusive as in ,the coffee rock is darker in color and would absorb ambiant heat better than the shiny neo magnet that would reflect heat.So if the neo magnet was flat black,or coffee rock brown,it may well have a higher temp than the coffee rock. So in order for the test to be conclusive,the magnet would have to be the same color as the coffee rock,and be above ambiant temp. As i have not done that test,that means that the result's i have so far are indeed inconclusive.

Rather than the same _color_  for IR testing you need to have the same _emissivity_ which is not always the same thing, as the Leslie Cube demonstration shows. The black and the white surfaces turn out to have the same emissivity so they look the same to the FLIR imager.

Check out the wiki article for the Leslie cube. It has some interesting stuff in there, particularly in the old references.

The conclusions you can draw depend on your initial hypothesis, which is why it needs to be stated _in advance_ of performing the experiment. If it is stated as I put it above, then the experiment is indeed conclusive: you weren't able to _measure_ a consistent temperature increase using the techniques you used.

This may seem like nitpicking, but that is what the scientific method actually is: nitpicking to the bone, until every nit is picked and you have a completely "clean" and bulletproof experiment. So your experiment, giving a conclusive falsification of the hypothesis _as I stated it_, suggests further, better controlled, experiments that will have slightly different initial hypotheses. This is how science progresses and eventually arrives at (relative) certainty. Your experiment is "inconclusive" as regards the over-arching "theory" that generated the particular hypothesis that I stated. Note that the hypothesis itself is "theory-neutral", it doesn't say anything about what may or may not have caused the measurement difference, if any. The overarching theory can generate many testable hypotheses that are all slightly different; each one allows design of an experiment to test that particular hypothesis, and the results of the experiment allow one to refine one's hypothesis until all the nits are picked away and you arrive at a result that you can be sure of, and which can be generalized to the overarching theory. Your experiment has now generated a new hypothesis that you can test: If you can equate or control for emissivity differences then you will (or will not) find a true temperature difference. (Note the form of the hypothesis: it is an "if-then" statement.)

One thing I haven't mentioned is "operationalization of constructs". This long technical phrase means that you should assign actual numerical, measureable values to your variable constructs like "warmer" or "higher temperature" before you actually perform the experiment . How warm is "warmer"? Some people might accept a difference of 0.2 degrees C as enough to say it is "warmer" and others may not. But if you state, before the experiment, that you will call "warmer" a difference of 0.2 degrees C or more, then you have "operationalized" that variable into something definite. You now can calibrate your thermometry to see if it will reliably and precisely detect such a difference in reality, what effects emissivity may have on your measurement apparatus, etc.  These things that I am talking about are not made up, they are widely accepted parts of bulletproof experimental design and are there to prevent "hand waving" and "post-hoc" explanations of results obtained. Only properly designed and performed experiments can actually reliably determine cause and effect relationships among the variables and constructs tested.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operationalization

There are lots of ways you can control for emissivity when using an IR or FLIR measurement system. You could grind a flat face on the coffee rock and stick a piece of opaque tape onto it, and stick a piece of the same tape onto the magnet face, for example. Perhaps the best thing to do is to ditch the IR measurement altogether and use a sensitive thermocouple making a contact measurement, rather than depending on IR which is subject to many errors and artifacts. You could also use a heat-transfer fluid of known emissivity, like water or oil, and let the magnet heat that up... if it can.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: MarkE on December 29, 2014, 03:51:57 PM
Rather than the same _color_  for IR testing you need to have the same _emissivity_ which is not always the same thing, as the Leslie Cube demonstration shows. The black and the white surfaces turn out to have the same emissivity so they look the same to the FLIR imager.

Check out the wiki article for the Leslie cube. It has some interesting stuff in there, particularly in the old references.

The conclusions you can draw depend on your initial hypothesis, which is why it needs to be stated _in advance_ of performing the experiment. If it is stated as I put it above, then the experiment is indeed conclusive: you weren't able to _measure_ a consistent temperature increase using the techniques you used.

This may seem like nitpicking, but that is what the scientific method actually is: nitpicking to the bone, until every nit is picked and you have a completely "clean" and bulletproof experiment. So your experiment, giving a conclusive falsification of the hypothesis _as I stated it_, suggests further, better controlled, experiments that will have slightly different initial hypotheses. This is how science progresses and eventually arrives at (relative) certainty. Your experiment is "inconclusive" as regards the over-arching "theory" that generated the particular hypothesis that I stated. Note that the hypothesis itself is "theory-neutral", it doesn't say anything about what may or may not have caused the measurement difference, if any. The overarching theory can generate many testable hypotheses that are all slightly different; each one allows design of an experiment to test that particular hypothesis, and the results of the experiment allow one to refine one's hypothesis until all the nits are picked away and you arrive at a result that you can be sure of, and which can be generalized to the overarching theory. Your experiment has now generated a new hypothesis that you can test: If you can equate or control for emissivity differences then you will (or will not) find a true temperature difference. (Note the form of the hypothesis: it is an "if-then" statement.)

One thing I haven't mentioned is "operationalization of constructs". This long technical phrase means that you should assign actual numerical, measureable values to your variable constructs like "warmer" or "higher temperature" before you actually perform the experiment . How warm is "warmer"? Some people might accept a difference of 0.2 degrees C as enough to say it is "warmer" and others may not. But if you state, before the experiment, that you will call "warmer" a difference of 0.2 degrees C or more, then you have "operationalized" that variable into something definite. You now can calibrate your thermometry to see if it will reliably and precisely detect such a difference in reality, what effects emissivity may have on your measurement apparatus, etc.  These things that I am talking about are not made up, they are widely accepted parts of bulletproof experimental design and are there to prevent "hand waving" and "post-hoc" explanations of results obtained. Only properly designed and performed experiments can actually reliably determine cause and effect relationships among the variables and constructs tested.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operationalization

There are lots of ways you can control for emissivity when using an IR or FLIR measurement system. You could grind a flat face on the coffee rock and stick a piece of opaque tape onto it, and stick a piece of the same tape onto the magnet face, for example. Perhaps the best thing to do is to ditch the IR measurement altogether and use a sensitive thermocouple making a contact measurement, rather than depending on IR which is subject to many errors and artifacts. You could also use a heat-transfer fluid of known emissivity, like water or oil, and let the magnet heat that up... if it can.
For temperature differences less than 2C I recommend using thermistors instead of thermocouples.  For a couple of dollars you can build an amplified thermistor bridge with a stable reference that gives lots of resolution against ambient and resolves temperature difference well down to a few hundredths of a degree C.  Unamplified a divider made from a pair of garden variety 10K NTC thermistors changes by 20,000ppm/C.  Used with a stable reference like the venerable TL431, or better an LM4040, and any half way decent DVM and one can reliably, and repeatably sense small temperature differences.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: CANGAS on December 30, 2014, 07:42:04 AM



NO SUCH THING EXISTS.   ;D




You might as well deduce from ignorance that the earth is perfectly still when you are laying out in a green valley somewhere.


It would certainly be generous of you to characterize the motion of the field of your "stationary" magnet. 

Twirling round, jumping up and down, pulsating, what?

Thank you so much, in advance.


Kindest
CANGAS 112
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: CANGAS on December 30, 2014, 07:49:31 AM

..... the double flower pot heater design that people use to heat a room up from a tealight candle.


The what? Sounds interesting. Where can i find a picture of such a heater?


Thanks in advance
CANGAS 113
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: CANGAS on December 30, 2014, 07:57:14 AM
OK,here is what i did.
Filled one drinking glass full of tap water-19.2*C
Filled S/S thermos with same tap water-19.2*C
Added green food dye to both glass and thermos of water,as temp gun dosnt like reading clear water temp to well.
Waited 45 minutes.
Ambiant temp 35.8*C
Water in glass now 26.4*C
Water in thermos now 21.6*C

Will remeasure in the morning,and see how things look.


Did you do this? I keep looking for the next report but can't find none.


Regards
CANGAS 114
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on December 30, 2014, 08:30:23 AM
It would certainly be generous of you to characterize the motion of the field of your "stationary" magnet. 
Kindest
CANGAS 112


the book is free, "uncovering the missing secrets of magnetism"  on archive.org  etc etc.


also another 300+ pages to add to the book.


lux et veritas
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on December 30, 2014, 08:32:21 AM
If your hypothesis was that a magnet will be measurably warmer than its surroundings...



I NEVER AND AT NO TIME mention the MAGNET being hotter ....... rather the bismuth.


likewise it was shot in TOTAL darkness, and also covered with non-reflective black cloth, ........so your reflective premise is a red herring and bull shat.

Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: minnie on December 30, 2014, 10:19:50 AM



    The magnetic properties of bismuth D. Shoenberg. ((1936)
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on December 30, 2014, 10:49:13 AM
Fantastic @minnie.we must remember a whole lot of other guys have claimed ou from bismuth in the past eg dingel.dingel shoved bismuth right up close to neo mags
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on December 30, 2014, 10:52:46 AM
I believe mr moray was fooling around with bismuth too mmmmm
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: picowatt on December 30, 2014, 05:22:19 PM


I NEVER AND AT NO TIME mention the MAGNET being hotter ....... rather the bismuth.


likewise it was shot in TOTAL darkness, and also covered with non-reflective black cloth, ........so your reflective premise is a red herring and bull shat.

The discussion was with regard to your earlier claim that a magnet emits heat...
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: CANGAS on December 31, 2014, 07:18:24 AM

the book is free, "uncovering the missing secrets of magnetism"  on archive.org  etc etc.


also another 300+ pages to add to the book.


lux et veritas


Well, I was hoping for a briefer kind of a summed-up answer, to compare your thinking with that of Faraday, without taking a year sabbatical to figure out the complexities of YOUR strange and wonderful, and, hyper-complicated, hypothesis of moving magnetic field provided by a "stationary" magnet.

OK, folks, move on. Nothing to see here, go and use up a year of your short life to puzzle over a long answer that could have, if it is true, could have been answered concisely within one minute.

Many years ago today, Faraday voted "NOT!". For about two hundred years NOT! has been working pretty good. NOT! is very simple to understand and marvelously quickly explained, and, understood.

Your hypothetical YES!, if true, could be equally easily and quickly explained. You have not done so. That leads me to think that your are hiding something. 


thanks et answeritas anywayus
CANGAS 115
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on December 31, 2014, 08:07:41 AM
YOUR strange and wonderful, and, hyper-complicated, hypothesis of moving magnetic field provided by a "stationary" magnet.


anyone who thinks a magnetic field is not moving, is INSANE.     Gyromagnetic precession and phase differential between poles of rarefaction and compression CANNOT BE DENIED by anyone.


The Larmor frequency is a WELL KNOWN ENTITY, 
  in case you didnt think (most people never DO), frequency necessitates MOVEMENT by definition,  ......simple enough for you?



There is nothing complicated about it, the fault lay at YOUR feet, not mine,..........  the blind complain about not seeing a pretty flower.



The absolute truth, as it happens, magnetism is NOT a field in definition, once finally reduced, rather a force of the loss of dielectric inertia

Magnetism is  a FORCE, not a field, all spatially divergent Ether modalities are the loss of counterspatial inertia, expressed either as magnetism, or spatial condensates as matter, or as transverse expressions of electricity. There is only ONE FIELD, dielectricity, the rest are field modalities with divergent expressions.



and no, Im not contradicting myself, however as a CONTRIVANCE, speaking about "magnetic fields" is acceptable for DISCUSSION, .......but the brass tacks are that MAGNETISM IS NOT A FIELD
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on December 31, 2014, 08:12:37 AM
I posted quote 1 some time ago, and MOST 'speculation' here (and elsewhere) was that people assumed Tesla was talking about his AC motor / invention rather than the discovery of reciprocating / rotating force/magnetic field divergences and convergences.


Quote number #2 as found in another location entirely,.........by any reckoning seems to dispel the notion that Tesla placed or MEANT to imply his huge pride was invested in his AC MOTOR invention/ discovery RATHER THAN the discovery of reciprocating magnetic field divergences-convergences.


AS SUCH Tesla's greatest pride (if you will) seems to stem from his grasp of the fundamental nature of magnetism itself RATHER THAN his AC motor invention which harvested this force and power.




QUOTE 1
Nikola Tesla November 1928 interview:

Toward the end of the interview, we asked Tesla which arena of science most appealed to him. While we expected him to mention radios and airplanes, the world wireless system, It was not the induction motor; instead it was the discovery of the principle that preceded the induction motor, the “rotating magnetic field”. Tesla answered: “rotating magnetic fields were dear to my heart. When I made the discovery of the rotating magnetic field, I was a very young man. The revelation came after years of concentrated thought and it was my first great thrill. It was not only a valuable discovery capable of extensive practical applications. It was a REVELATION OF NEW FORCES AND NEW PHENOMENA unknown to science before”.
“No”, Dr. Tesla said with some feelings, “I would not give my rotating magnetic field discovery for a thousand inventions, however valuable, designed merely as mechanical contraptions to deceive the eye and ear!”
Then saying: “A thousand years hence, the telephone and the motion picture camera may be obsolete, but the principle of the rotating magnetic field will remain a vital, living thing for all time to come.” - Nikola Tesla
Article: “A Famous Prophet of Science Looks into the Future” (Popular Science Monthly)



QUOTE 2 (parenthesis mine)


“No amount of praise is too much to bestow upon Edison for his (lamp / bulb), but all he did was wrought (‘work’) in known and passing forms. What I contributed constitutes a new and lasting edition to human knowledge. Like his lamp, my induction motor may be discarded and forgotten in the continuous evolution of the (electric motor?) arts, but my rotating field with its marvelous phenomena and manifestations of force (from magnetism) will last as long as science itself” - Nikola Tesla
New York World Nov. 29, 1929, p. 10 col. 4-5. To the Editor of the World





If you dont understand what Tesla is SAYING in quote 2, then I would say you were a goddamn idiot.


POINT BEING, Teslas pride is NOT HIS AC MOTOR, but the discovery of rotating (reciprocating) magnetic 'fields' (divergence)


~~~~~~

In another ilk, I love this one I found.

“Seldom if ever has an original ideal of consequence been born in an elaborate laboratory. The egg of science is laid in the nest of solitude. True, it maybe later be incubated, hatched and nursed in a million dollar laboratory. No big laboratory is needed in which to think. Originality thrives in seclusion free of outside influences beating upon us to cripple the creative mind. Be alone! This is the secret of invention; be alone, that is where ideas are borne.” – Nikola Tesla
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: CANGAS on December 31, 2014, 09:19:14 AM
I posted quote 1 some time ago, and MOST 'speculation' here (and elsewhere) was that people assumed Tesla was talking about his AC motor / invention rather than the discovery of reciprocating / rotating force/magnetic field divergences and convergences.


Quote number #2 as found in another location entirely,.........by any reckoning seems to dispel the notion that Tesla placed or MEANT to imply his huge pride was invested in his AC MOTOR invention/ discovery RATHER THAN the discovery of reciprocating magnetic field divergences-convergences.


AS SUCH Tesla's greatest pride (if you will) seems to stem from his grasp of the fundamental nature of magnetism itself RATHER THAN his AC motor invention which harvested this force and power.




QUOTE 1
Nikola Tesla November 1928 interview:

Toward the end of the interview, we asked Tesla which arena of science most appealed to him. While we expected him to mention radios and airplanes, the world wireless system, It was not the induction motor; instead it was the discovery of the principle that preceded the induction motor, the “rotating magnetic field”. Tesla answered: “rotating magnetic fields were dear to my heart. When I made the discovery of the rotating magnetic field, I was a very young man. The revelation came after years of concentrated thought and it was my first great thrill. It was not only a valuable discovery capable of extensive practical applications. It was a REVELATION OF NEW FORCES AND NEW PHENOMENA unknown to science before”.
“No”, Dr. Tesla said with some feelings, “I would not give my rotating magnetic field discovery for a thousand inventions, however valuable, designed merely as mechanical contraptions to deceive the eye and ear!”
Then saying: “A thousand years hence, the telephone and the motion picture camera may be obsolete, but the principle of the rotating magnetic field will remain a vital, living thing for all time to come.” - Nikola Tesla
Article: “A Famous Prophet of Science Looks into the Future” (Popular Science Monthly)



QUOTE 2 (parenthesis mine)


“No amount of praise is too much to bestow upon Edison for his (lamp / bulb), but all he did was wrought (‘work’) in known and passing forms. What I contributed constitutes a new and lasting edition to human knowledge. Like his lamp, my induction motor may be discarded and forgotten in the continuous evolution of the (electric motor?) arts, but my rotating field with its marvelous phenomena and manifestations of force (from magnetism) will life as long as science itself” - Nikola Tesla
New York World Nov. 29, 1929, p. 10 col. 4-5. To the Editor of the World





If you dont understand what Tesla is SAYING in quote 2, then I would say you were a goddamn idiot.


POINT BEING, Teslas pride is NOT HIS AC MOTOR, but the discovery of rotating (reciprocating) magnetic 'fields' (divergence)


~~~~~~

In another ilk, I love this one I found.

“Seldom if ever has an original ideal of consequence been born in an elaborate laboratory. The egg of science is laid in the nest of solitude. True, it maybe later be incubated, hatched and nursed in a million dollar laboratory. No big laboratory is needed in which to think. Originality thrives in seclusion free of outside influences beating upon us to cripple the creative mind. Be alone! This is the secret of invention; be alone, that is where ideas are borne.” – Nikola Tesla


Quote
If you dont understand what Tesla is SAYING in quote 2, then I would say you were a goddamn idiot.

LOL! Many years ago today I realized what Tesla meant when he spoke of a ROTATING MAGNETIC FIELD. Unfortunately, to the distress of our trying to understand each other, what he meant is NOT what you obviously misunderstand him to have meant.

If I ever call you a Goddamn idiot, you better worry about it, because it will mean that you have proved it beyond any merciful doubt. And the bad news is that you are already on the royal road there.

I think I remember asking you a question some time ago, about Faraday, and , the one-piece motor/dynamo, and, magnetic fields moving or being stationary, and I never saw you respond. No surprise.


Stationarilly yours
CANGAS 117
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on December 31, 2014, 09:26:45 AM
LOL! Many years ago today I realized what Tesla meant when he spoke of a ROTATING MAGNETIC FIELD.


There is NOTHING stationary in the universe, ergo, youre an idiot.



What you THINK you realized is a figment inside your little little mind, and not an absolute truth, and the quotes are very VERY obvious (if you read english).



Since you dont read english very well, let me help you, I said "goddamn idiot" as per people in general, I was NOT referring to you specifically.  (the idiot remark just above, however is YOURS)


glad you missed that, ...........(another figmented invention of your MIND)


If I ever call you a Goddamn idiot, you better worry about it


couldnt care less or give a damn what you or anyone says about me, ....it has no relevance whatsoever.


I dont worry about anyone, much less you.  Pedal your cryptic threats down the road.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: CANGAS on December 31, 2014, 09:46:28 AM

There is NOTHING stationary in the universe, ergo, youre an idiot.



What you THINK you realized is a figment inside your little little mind, and not an absolute truth, and the quotes are very VERY obvious (if you read english).



Since you dont read english very well, let me help you, I said "goddamn idiot" as per people in general, I was NOT referring to you specifically.  (the idiot remark just above, however is YOURS)


glad you missed that, ...........(another figmented invention of your MIND)



couldnt care less or give a damn what you or anyone says about me, ....it has no relevance whatsoever.


I dont worry about anyone, much less you.  Pedal your cryptic threats down the road.


Breaking back to Faraday, his one-piece motor/dynamo, and, the theory that a magnetic field doesn't actually move although its source magnetic may move and emit another field at the new location, your erudite, lucid, and, insult and curse free response is.......?


Nicest regards
CANGAS 118
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on December 31, 2014, 09:53:39 AM

Breaking back to Faraday, his one-piece motor/dynamo, and, the theory that a magnetic field doesn't actually move although its source magnetic may move and emit another field at the new location, your erudite, lucid, and, insult and curse free response is.......?


you pathetically and ignorantly confuse stationary MAGNET with stationary magnetic "field" which doesnt exist.



Magnetism is not a field, its a force.


There is no such goddamn thing as a ONE PIECE dynamo.    ;D ;D ;D




suggest you go study what the (fuck) gyromagnetic precession is, or the LARMOR FREQUENCY

Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on December 31, 2014, 10:05:43 AM
Larmor frequency and gyro precession on the atoms generates wobbly friction @ken? This what you're saying?
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: CANGAS on December 31, 2014, 10:28:56 AM

you pathetically and ignorantly confuse stationary MAGNET with stationary magnetic "field" which doesnt exist.



Magnetism is not a field, its a force.


There is no such goddamn thing as a ONE PIECE dynamo.    ;D ;D ;D




suggest you go study what the (fuck) gyromagnetic precession is, or the LARMOR FREQUENCY


A permanent magnet glued to a copper disk. The resulting assembly acts as ONE PIECE. Oh, I get it now....that is TOO SIMPLE for a super duper intellect to understand, so you don't get it.

Suggest that, if you genuinely want to teach us morons, you use your clever-as-the-Devil super-intellect to communicate to us morons in terms that we can understand. Or, if you are unable or unwilling to talk to us on our own minuscule level, you give up the pretense and quit frustrating yourself by confronting our vastly inferior stupidity and leave.

Explain the one-piece Faraday Disk in terms of the Ken Hypotheguess of a ever agitating magnetic field. Oh, oh, including why a stationary one-piece Faraday Disk does not spontaneously leap into motion due to the inherent motion of the intrinsic magnetic field.


Attentively yours
CANGAS 120
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: minnie on December 31, 2014, 11:07:41 AM



  Of course that diagram of Faraday Induction Dynamo on reply 113 is total rubbish.
  How can one have "electron current" when there is no electron?
  I wouldn't trade 2 pfennigs worth of dog shit for it!!
          John.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TinselKoala on December 31, 2014, 01:54:39 PM


  Of course that diagram of Faraday Induction Dynamo on reply 113 is total rubbish.
  How can one have "electron current" when there is no electron?
  I wouldn't trade 2 pfennigs worth of dog shit for it!!
          John.

What do you suppose that H0 with the arrow indicates in the graphic of Larmor precession? How about the repeated presence of a quantity whose unit is the _electron volt_ in the math "someone" has copy-pasted but clearly doesn't understand? What do you suppose those units mean? How about the presence of the "1T" term? What exactly does the unit "Tesla" signify in those equations?

The first equation is for _electron spin_ in a _magnetic field_ ... but of course according to "someone" neither the electron nor the magnetic field exist. Hmm..... how can this be?

(By the way, here's the _uncredited reference_ where "someone" copy-pasted without credit, that is plagiarized, the image of the set of equations that use quantities and entities he denies the existence of, in an attempt to bolster his points:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/larmor.html (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/larmor.html)  )

How many pieces are there in this homopolar dynamo running as a motor? Where are the stationary magnets that appear in "someone's" diagram?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFMq1Cvtg1s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFMq1Cvtg1s)
Is there any doubt that this apparatus would generate a voltage if it were spun by an external rotator?


And finally.... does "someone" intend to send some things to Chet (ramset) for independent testing of his claims about the bismuth sphere being warmer than its surroundings, emitting heat ... or not?



(cue another insecure set of rants, irrelevant copy-pasta and ego-defensive boasts and kindergarten playground insults from the insecure "someone"....)
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on December 31, 2014, 05:50:59 PM

acts as ONE PIECE


ACTS AS one piece ,  NOW you said it, but dont GET IT




A car and its 1000s of parts bolted together  ACT AS ONE PIECE, but they goddamn ARENT,.




AGAIN, there is no such goddamn thing as a  "one piece dynamo",     youre looking for Unicorns
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on December 31, 2014, 05:54:06 PM
Larmor frequency and gyro precession on the atoms generates wobbly friction @ken? This what you're saying?


I was making that in reference same to the other persons (and another) idiotic premise that a "magnetic field" is fixed or stationary, which is insane absurd bullshit of the HIGHEST order.



Of which Im writing about in fine detail, is that either pole has compression and rarefaction phase differences,


of which this is relevant to many things, and must exist necessitatively, it ALSO explained every 40 YEARS WORTH (rawles and davis and others) of biological experimentation which proves a rarefaction at the N pole and compression at the S pole.



Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on December 31, 2014, 05:56:24 PM


  Of course that diagram of Faraday Induction Dynamo on reply 113 is total rubbish.
  How can one have "electron current" when there is no electron?
  I wouldn't trade 2 pfennigs worth of dog shit for it!!
          John.


The electron as a particle is humanities insane bullshit TOP 10 NONSENSE.



By this fucking logic, ......an AC INDUCTION MOTOR is a tube of ENDLESS TOOTHPASTE by which you "squeeze out" electrons to feed the power grid , its demonic ATOMISTIC HIGH-ORDER INSANE BULL SHAT  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on December 31, 2014, 06:00:49 PM
Explain the one-piece Faraday Disk



Very simple, said device is a MAGNETIC PHASE INDUCTOR



simple enough?
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on December 31, 2014, 06:05:16 PM
And finally.... does "someone" intend to send some things to Chet (ramset) for independent testing of his claims about the bismuth sphere being warmer than its surroundings, emitting heat ...



$20 of bismuth, and a $10 magnet.     $30


Do it yourself, you cheap ass moron.  ;D ;D


As for my FLIR, Im not sending it to anyGoddamnBody.



I dont need anyones validation for any experiment,  love it , hate it, shit on it,...... dont give a single damn.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: ramset on December 31, 2014, 07:05:10 PM

Ken
we never discussed sending any equipment to the Lab...at least not in OUR conversation a few days ago ?
not necessary ,but Your components would be nice ,just in case the results may vary from Your findings.


So you will not be forwarding anything at this Time ?
as I mentioned on the phone ,all will be returned when testing is complete.


Thx
Chet 
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: MarkE on December 31, 2014, 08:06:29 PM
Ken
we never discussed sending any equipment to the Lab...at least not in OUR conversation a few days ago ?
not necessary ,but Your components would be nice ,just in case the results may vary from Your findings.


So you will not be forwarding anything at this Time ?
as I mentioned on the phone ,all will be returned when testing is complete.


Thx
Chet
If you proceed, make sure that you can measure small temperature differences reliably, even if the absolute accuracy is so-so.  A pair of these connected in a half bridge connected to a battery is the simplest, crudest set-up.  You can improve on it by stabilizing the excitation source, adding a dummy half bridge for zero, etc.  http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Pcs-NTC-Thermistor-100K-With-1M-Cable-RepRap-Prusa-Mendel-Bed-or-Hot-End-/291187799870?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43cc25373e
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on December 31, 2014, 08:19:35 PM
Quote frm markE:
'If you proceed, make sure that you can measure small temperature differences reliably, even if the absolute accuracy is so-so.  A pair of these connected in a half bridge connected to a battery is the simplest, crudest set-up.  You can improve on it by stabilizing the excitation source, adding a dummy half bridge for zero, etc.  http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Pcs-NTC-Thermistor-100K-With-1M-Cable-RepRap-Prusa-Mendel-Bed-or-Hot-End-/291187799870?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43cc25373e
Navigation'

End quote

Uh-uh, batteries in the area will release heat,simplest route is to measure if any current(microamps) is coming out the bismuth ball via contact with any sensitive thermo-semiconductor eg pyrites,galena,copper sulfide ore(extremely sensitive)etc etc. Bismuth must be settled in styrofoam or cotton for max heat retention
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on December 31, 2014, 08:32:13 PM
Quote frm markE:
 Bismuth must be settled in styrofoam or cotton for max heat retention



10 degrees is nothing to warm your hands over.   ;D :o

   Regardless of heat retention, it is extremely MINOR.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on December 31, 2014, 09:13:28 PM
Quote frm ken:
   'Regardless of heat retention, it is extremely MINOR.'

Insulated black sock demo should be enough for a at least a microamp against copper sulfide crystal with small crossarea contact point.I've measured temp difs of far less using such methods..
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on December 31, 2014, 09:27:32 PM
.I've measured temp difs of far less using such methods..




measured yes.......... useful is another thing altogether.

however low temp nitinol wire
has been suggested to make a neat perpetual motion "toy", where a wire uncurls, then cools and recurls perpetually.

Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on December 31, 2014, 10:06:44 PM
 if you sandwich large crossarea bismuth block onto zinc antimonide semiconductor(one of the most efficient) then your power should start to hit in tens of microamps range at 10degrees dif. Then it becomes useful (clocks,watches,remotes)
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on December 31, 2014, 10:18:29 PM
Infact, with bismuth,you can simply spray-pyrolysis sulfur vapour on one side of the block and convert to thinfilm bismuth sulfide(Bi2S3) for extreme intimate semiconductor/bismuth contact point for thermoelectric extraction at great efficiency
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: MarkE on December 31, 2014, 10:19:38 PM
Or you could just attach a $1.00 thermistor probe.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on December 31, 2014, 10:24:19 PM
Mmm.I got an experiment inmind.brb
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: mscoffman on December 31, 2014, 11:07:58 PM
I'm seeing what I consider errors in this thread.

1) I don't think that a constant magnetic field can rotate - there is no such operator. lines are fungible + there is no index.
2) I think a magnetic field with differences the differences can rotate but the magnetic field itself doesn't

It's probably one of those things that only certain theoretical situations cause you to need to use valid
theoretical views.

3) In a homopolar generator the magnetic face must be constant and must include the edges of the conductive disk(s)
4) In a homopolar motor the magnet must only partially cover the conductive disk face.
5) The homopolar motor reversed is a standard generator with a small part of the disk generating flux but is not a homopolar generator

Metals are Fermi Seas - unbound shared electrons galore.

I also have found a reference that says it is theoretically predicted that bismuth209 will be an excellent LENR catalyst
but that the 100% pure bismuth metal matrix won't support D deuterium flux in this case. An bismuth iron alloy has 2% the matrix
spacing of Pd. This is saying that the exact alloying configuration of this sphere is probably critical. It would pay to have heavy water
or D^2 gas in the atmosphere around it to boost heating. Large B flux is desirable.

:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on December 31, 2014, 11:20:35 PM
Well I did an experiment now and I can definitely say that there is a tiny current when a strong magnet is contacted direct onto bismuth with the bismuth contacted onto amorphous bismuth sulfide.the current was about one fifth a micro-amp continuous in this case.weaker magnets gave less current.I feel there is something going on here
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on December 31, 2014, 11:27:18 PM
The delta h was in the ken-predicted direction ie.from bismuth to bismuth sulfide direction
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TinselKoala on December 31, 2014, 11:53:14 PM


Very simple, said device is a MAGNETIC PHASE INDUCTOR



simple enough?

Not quite, Kenny baby. What your plagiarized diagram shows is a stationary magnet and a rotating disk. That is NOT a one piece hompolar dynamo. My video demonstration, which you conveniently ignore, has no separate disk and no stationary magnet; it is another thing that you deny exists: a one-piece homopolar dynamo, running as a motor.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 12:01:17 AM
Not quite, Kenny baby. What your plagiarized diagram shows is a stationary magnet and a rotating disk. That is NOT a one piece hompolar dynamo. My video demonstration, which you conveniently ignore, has no separate disk and no stationary magnet; it is another thing that you deny exists: a one-piece homopolar dynamo, running as a motor.


You LYING SCUMBAG  ;D



1. Ive seen your video, son. 


There IS no one piece homopolar motor, NOR could a ONE PIECE MOTOR EXIST, you demented mental midget.





Any motor by definition must creation FORCE and MOTION from either another force, or the LOSS OF INERTIA.



TinfoilHatKoalaShit says:
My video demonstration, which you conveniently ignore, has no separate disk and no stationary magnet




What your pea brain misses, is that it doesnt matter ONE GODDAMN BIT if the magnets are rotating, or the COPPER DISK is rotating.


Six eggs, moron, is also half a dozen.



Your copper ponytail braid is only encountering a magnetic phase induction from the rotating neo disks.

Or, in the case of your DEMO, the inverse.



Wow, youve shown us how to complete a circuit and create force and motion.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 01, 2015, 12:01:38 AM

The electron as a particle is humanities insane bullshit TOP 10 NONSENSE.



By this fucking logic, ......an AC INDUCTION MOTOR is a tube of ENDLESS TOOTHPASTE by which you "squeeze out" electrons to feed the power grid , its demonic ATOMISTIC HIGH-ORDER INSANE BULL SHAT  ;D ;D ;D

The insecure, wobbly Master of the Straw Man Argument emits Yet Another false analogy that is not only incorrect, it has nothing to do with the issues at hand. And as predicted, he does it with his trademark kindergarten pottymouth rhetoric. Keep it up, Kenny baby, you are providing much amusement with your floundering and flopping about. Did you ever figure out how a CRT picture tube works, or are you still dodging that issue because you just can't figure out how to stuff it into your fake "theory"?

Imagine: someone uses a computer that was designed by people he claims are idiots, and works according to principles he claims are wrong, and he doesn't even see the irony, and the ridiculousness of that at all. Or more likely, he sees it perfectly well, and his only response is to flail about, insult and curse, stomp his feet and hold his breath until he turns blue, like the pitiful insecure child that cringes beneath his false bravado front.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 01, 2015, 12:06:22 AM

You LYING SCUMBAG  ;D



1. Ive seen your video, son. 


There IS no one piece homolar motor, NOR could a ONE PIECE MOTOR EXIST, you demented mental midget.

Any motor by definition must creation FORCE and MOTION from either another force, or the LOSS OF INERTIA



TinfoilHatKoalaShit says:
My video demonstration, which you conveniently ignore, has no separate disk and no stationary magnet





What your pea brain misses, is that it doesnt make ONE GODDAMN BIT if the magnets are rotating, or the COPPER DISK is rotating.



Six eggs, moron, is also half a dozen.
There is no copper disk in my motor, Kenny baby. There are two magnets, that's only for the thickness. It will work just as well with a single magnet only. No lie, baby doll. It's a onepiece homopolar motor, and everybody except you can see that fact. You are so fragile that you deny the evidence of your own eyes if it doesn't fit into your fake "theory". Go ahead, stomp your feet some more, you aren't quite turning blue yet.

Quote
Your copper ponytail braid is only encountering a magnetic phase induction from the rotating neo disks.

That's more of your gobbledegook that means nothing. Try to figure out why that limp copper braid isn't pushed out of the way by the "magnetic phase induction" nonsense. I'll tell you why: your "magnetic phase induction" doesn't exist anywhere but in your feeble mind.
   
 
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 12:08:47 AM
There is no copper disk in my motor, Kenny baby.



There is a copper braid in your "Motor" asshole, ...........   do you think it matters if its a copper disk in the MIDDLE   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D, or a COPPER BRAID TOUCHING THE MIDDLE




Surely you cannot be that fucking dumb.


(maybe you can)



hmm, lemmie see your vid again, YUP, i see a copper braid touching the middle at the dielectric inertial plane of both magnets together.

idiot
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 12:11:44 AM
There are two magnets, that's only for the thickness. It will work just as well with a single magnet only.


no shit dummy,   middle of ONE magnet


middle of TWO magnets

or middle of THREE magnets.




thanks for the obvious.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 01, 2015, 12:13:56 AM
The magnets are stacked together in their naturally attractive orientation. It will work with a single magnet too. The braid can contact the magnet(s) anywhere, even on a face next to the axle screw and it will still work. The braid is just a brush, making an electrical connection, as are the axles.

Got any more flailing and flopping around to do? Any more made-up gobbledegook that is so easily refuted? Bring it on, Kenny baby, it's fun to see you get all tied up in knots.

First you say there is no such thing. Then when I show you that there is, you try to change the subject instead of admitting your error. That's totally predictable, as you try to salvage your primitive, fragile, frightened ego.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 12:14:02 AM
your "magnetic phase induction" doesn't exist anywhere but in your feeble mind.



Tell that to general electric,
which uses the LARMOR FREQUENCY equations of Gyromagnetic precession to build Million dollar$$$$$$  MRI machines



idiot   :o :o ;D ;D
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 12:14:55 AM
It will work with a single magnet too



I just said that son.


U dont read.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 01, 2015, 12:18:06 AM


Tell that to general electric,
which uses the LARMOR FREQUENCY equations of Gyromagnetic precession to build Million dollar$$$$$$  MRI machines



idiot   :o :o ;D ;D
You mean the equations that talk about _magnetic fields_ and _spinning electrons_, right?

The engineers who design MRI equipment would laugh you out of the room, if they heard the gobbledegook you are spouting. You can't come close to competing with those "idiots" who would agree completely with me, and not at all with you.

Got any more?
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 12:18:28 AM
Did you ever figure out how a CRT picture tube


Its not an "electron gun" son,  this is what idiots like you will never understand.  ;D



I actually feel sorry for you son,  .....you suffer at the hands of your own beastial ignorances, like a fool.




You remind me of the mindless fucking idiots (of which most are) that think there are trillions and trillions of electron particles flowing down the street power lines like water in a tube.


This sort of atomistic bullshit thinking is ANCIENT, very very ANCIENT


The Greek Platonists destroyed their bullshit ideas long ago,..........youre just a reincarnation of this ignorance.





“What Tesla accomplished is the greatest discovery in mankind. The transmission lines you see everywhere, along the roads in every
place you go, these allows us to have a giant drive shaft that we can take rotary motion from like a massive turbine plant and convey it
thru an electromagnetic structure that operates with reflected waves and time frames. This work just like a drive shaft, it bounces back
and forth, twists, and rotates.

But you can stand outside and look at those thick power lines that go down any public street and in the
space between those lines, the energy there is the energy of a giant railroad locomotive moving at 95% of the speed of light down the
space between those wires, and there is no evidence that anything at all is happening except that the wires are slightly pushed apart
and warm.

So it’s a type of drive shaft that exists in another dimension. Then you put the synchronous machine on the other end (of
that power line) and you couple out of that (electrical) drive shaft like a transmission and you have rotary force again. These things
(rotary Tesla generators) are no more than stamped iron in patterns. By making this special arch form and its influences on the
formative forces in the Ether …Tesla’s invention is the most powerful arch form the human race has ever conceived.” – Eric P
Dollard
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 01, 2015, 12:19:21 AM


I just said that son.


U dont read.

You don't read, Kenny baby, you just react. It will work with the brush contacting the FACE of the magnet next to the axle screw, too.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 01, 2015, 12:22:08 AM
I'll take that as a "NO" then; you cannot explain a CRT coherently. Once again, you dodge the issue, construct a straw man and then argue with that. You're just showing off your vulnerability and your weakness by pretending to know something, but you really don't. People who believe in electrons design things that work, using their conceptions and beliefs. You... you don't even know how to interpret your own demonstrations correctly.



Its not an "electron gun" son,  this is what idiots like you will never understand.  ;D



I actually feel sorry for you son,  .....you suffer at the hands of your own beastial ignorances, like a fool.




You remind me of the mindless fucking idiots (of which most are) that think there are trillions and trillions of electron particles flowing down the street power lines like water in a tube.


This sort of atomistic bullshit thinking is ANCIENT, very very ANCIENT


The Greek Platonists destroyed their bullshit ideas long ago,..........youre just a reincarnation of this ignorance.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 01, 2015, 12:23:38 AM
And now you are citing Eric Dollard as if he were some kind of authority !

That is hilarious in the extreme!
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 12:23:40 AM
You don't read, Kenny baby, you just react. It will work with the brush contacting the FACE of the magnet next to the axle screw, too.


thanks for supporting my book!!!!!!.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D




Congrats for supporting my book and its very premise of the dielectric inertial plane of centripletal convergence   (your axle screw point), which exists in 2 places.....


1. at the center of EITHER face of a magnet  (Z AXIS)

2. at the center intersection of the XY AXIS




So, time to LEARN SOMETHING son
,.........  ANY Z POINT (centripetal convergence)...........or the intersection of the XY axis (dielectric inertial plane)




WOW!!!!, YOU FOUND OUT THERE ARE 2 CENTERS TO ANY OBJECT......THE XY INTERSECTION.......AT THE Z AXIS OF CONVERGENCE


(wait, that was my discovery    :o :o ;D ;D ;D   )


IM SO GLAD YOU SUPPORT MY BOOK, THANKS SON  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

IM SO GLAD YOU SUPPORT MY BOOK, THANKS SON  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

IM SO GLAD YOU SUPPORT MY BOOK, THANKS SON  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

IM SO GLAD YOU SUPPORT MY BOOK, THANKS SON  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 01, 2015, 12:27:35 AM
Gobbledegook nonsense. I'm not supporting your book at all, and your book does not explain how the ONE PIECE HOMOPOLAR DYNAMO works at all. They don't even exist, remember?

LOL, you are such a clown, Kenny baby, you missed your calling. You should do stand-up. Know any good Buddhist jokes?

(It won't work if you contact the face of the magnet at the center with the copper braid brush, as you seem to be claiming now. This will just short the current through the axle.)
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 12:31:17 AM
People who believe in electrons design things that work




lets EXAMINE THAT fucking bullshit for a second,
.......boy.

Nikola Tesla November 1928 interview:
     On the whole subject of matter, in fact, Dr. Tesla holds views that are startlingly original. He disagrees with the accepted atomic theory of matter, and does not believe in the existence of an “electron” as pictured by science.
     “To account for its apparently small mass, science conceives of the electron as a hollow sphere, a sort of bubble, such a bubble could exist in a medium as a gas or liquid because its internal pressure is not altered by deformation. But if, as supposed, the internal pressure of an electron is due to the repulsion of electric masses, the slightest conceivable deformation must result in the destruction of the bubble! Just to mention another improbability...” - Nikola Tesla
Article: “A Famous Prophet of Science Looks into the Future” (Popular Science Monthly)





1. Tesla  "design things that work" ..................... more than anyone

2. Tesla DENIED the electron = particle BULLSHIT



So, that fucks you right the fucking hell out of your premise, son.  ;D ;D ;D




Next demented lie and bullshit please.


Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 12:33:26 AM
ONE PIECE HOMOPOLAR DYNAMO works at all.



No such goddamn thing exists.  ;D ;D ;D  Show us a picture of a ONE PIECE motor boy.



lying sack of shit.



By such FUCT logic, a CAR is a "one piece" motor, since 10,000 parts are bolted together.


Moronic idiocy!
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 12:38:48 AM
(It won't work if you contact the face of the magnet at the center with the copper braid brush, as you seem to be claiming now.This will just short the current through the axle.)

who said that?



Yeah, you did.


It will work with the brush contacting the FACE of the magnet next to the axle screw, too.




Now define a current short, ......also denotatively as implied a GROUNDING  ;D ;D

" current short is...............often where essentially no (or a very low) electrical impedance is encountered. "



thanks for your 101 on the obvious.



Now tell us how a capacitor bank is shunted thru a neodymium iron boron in the creation of a coherent polarized device (ie a "magnet")  ;D




and your book does not explain how the ONE PIECE HOMOPOLAR DYNAMO works at all.



The book is about MAGNETISM only son,.....it also doesnt explain why toilets flush

STRAWMAN FALLACY
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: picowatt on January 01, 2015, 12:47:48 AM

Now tell us how a capacitor bank is shunted thru a neodymium iron boron in the creation of a coherent polarized device (ie a "magnet")  ;D

A capacitor bank is not "shunted thru" NdFeB to create a magnet.

"How a magnetizer works 101" was explained to you month's ago...

 
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 01, 2015, 12:56:21 AM
Quote from: ME
It will work with the brush contacting the FACE of the magnet next to the axle screw, too.

That's right, Kenny baby ... I said NEXT TO THE AXLE SCREW, and if you look again at the image you took of my one piece homopolar motor you will see what "next to" means and what it does not mean. It does not mean "centered in the face".

Seriously, little Kenny, it has been fun playing with you in the kindergarten playground of your mind, but I have more important things to do now, so have fun with your little rationalizations, misquotes and logical fallacies. I'm off to make something that actually works.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 01:00:10 AM
A capacitor bank is not "shunted thru" NdFeB to create a magnet.
"How a magnetizer works 101" was explained to you month's ago...

logomachy.   


go watch the video again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHuWloNGo6c

Lets see,,......hmm, yeah, nope, Ill stick with a discharge into Fe, or Neo Fe Boron.......... , or samarium cobalt



DUMP a cap bank.  SHUNT a cap bank........DISCHARGE a cap bank.


where the hell
do you think the charge from the CAP BANKS to the MAGNETIZER COILS goes?    ;D ;D ;D


go pound sand  ;D
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: picowatt on January 01, 2015, 01:10:00 AM
logomachy.   


go watch the video again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHuWloNGo6c

Lets see,,......hmm, yeah, nope, Ill stick with a discharge into Fe, or Neo Fe Boron.......... , or samarium cobalt



DUMP a cap bank.  SHUNT a cap bank........DISCHARGE a cap bank.


go pound sand  ;D

Wow...

One would expect a self proclaimed expert on magnets, such as yourself, to at least understand how a magnetizer functions.




Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 01:12:26 AM
Wow...

One would expect a self proclaimed expert on magnets, such as yourself, to at least understand how a magnetizer functions.


just what I would expect from another brainless fool who doesnt grasp PARTICLE FREE wireless energy transfer.



Now, tell us how a microwave would still fry your ass in a perfect vacuum.     No contact, no particles.



I understand it fine, you however dont.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: picowatt on January 01, 2015, 01:16:21 AM

just what I would expect from another brainless fool who doesnt grasp PARTICLE FREE wireless energy transfer.



Now, tell us how a microwave would still fry your ass in a perfect vacuum.     No contact, no particles.



I understand it fine, you however dont.

Well then, mister expert, please clarify once again.

Do you believe that a magnetizer discharges capacitors directly thru the "pre-magnet"?
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: picowatt on January 01, 2015, 01:17:35 AM
Deleted, double post...
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 01:24:44 AM
Do you believe that a magnetizer discharges capacitors directly thru the "pre-magnet"?


That depends are if you are dumb enough to DENY
that a YAGI antenna doesnt DIRECT energy off the reflector, from the DRIVER, to the director element.  ;D ;D ;D


Now tell us what the coils are dumping, since there are no particles


Dielectric saturation causes magnetism to increase, as the two are mutually repellant
conjugates and both approach higher spatial and counterspatial inductances.

Electrical current terminates AS magnetism , not INTO magnetism, by losing its dielectric component as necessitated; electricity is the product of Phi (magnetism) and Psi (dielectricity)


How did you think a giant electromagnet works son?
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: picowatt on January 01, 2015, 01:42:26 AM

That depends are if you are dumb enough to DENY
that a YAGI antenna doesnt DIRECT energy off the reflector, from the DRIVER, to the director element.  ;D ;D ;D


Now tell us what the coils are dumping, since there are no particles


Dielectric saturation causes magnetism to increase, as the two are mutually repellant
conjugates and both approach higher spatial and counterspatial inductances.



How did you think a giant electromagnet works son?

So, are you now saying I was correct in stating, "A capacitor bank is not "shunted thru" NdFeB to create a magnet."?
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 02:45:03 AM
So, are you now saying I was correct in stating, "A capacitor bank is not "shunted thru" NdFeB to create a magnet."?


now youre engaging in sophistry.
   Typical BS found amongst your type.


Answer the question, ......where is the charge from the cap banks to the coils DUMPED?



thats right, ....
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: picowatt on January 01, 2015, 03:36:32 AM

Answer the question, ......where is the charge from the cap banks to the coils DUMPED?


The caps are not dumped, shunted thru, or discharged into the pre-magnet.  The caps are discharged into the coil's of the electromagnet of the magnetizer.

The caps are not "shunted thru" the pre-magnet as your post suggested.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: CANGAS on January 01, 2015, 04:04:27 AM
Quote
Quote from: CANGAS on December 31, 2014, 10:28:56 AM

    Explain the one-piece Faraday Disk



Very simple, said device is a MAGNETIC PHASE INDUCTOR



simple enough?

ROFLMAO!!!

How can I write a reply if I laugh so hard I cant type straight?

later


Hilariously yours
CANGAS 121
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 04:04:49 AM
The caps are discharged into the coil's of the electromagnet of the magnetizer.


pure goddamn sophistry,    now youre bitching like a pissant saying that there is a drive shaft (coil) between the ENGINE (cap banks) and the WHEELS (the 'magnet').

no shit Sherlock, I said as much



However you still didnt answer the question about the charge dump,  NICE DIVERSION TACTIC


wireless and particle-free power transfer doesnt even REGISTER in your mind ;D
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 04:06:41 AM
How can I write a reply if I laugh so hard I cant type straight?

thats called a sophistic non-answer



you cant type because you have nothing to say,          not however due to laughter.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 04:08:02 AM
    Explain the one-piece Faraday Disk


Show me a picture of a ONE PIECE Faraday disk,.....


no such bullshit exists.




You brought it up, now produce a goddamn picture of SAID UNICORN.




Maybe I cant count, add up the PIECES below for me.
   One-piece motor horseshit.




THEN ADD ONE MORE PIECE NOT SEEN
,..............WHICH IS THE GODDAMN IDIOT TURNING THE CRANK ON THE "ONE PIECE MOTOR"

Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: picowatt on January 01, 2015, 04:15:52 AM

pure goddamn sophistry,    now youre bitching like a pissant saying that there is a drive shaft (coil) between the ENGINE (cap banks) and the WHEELS (the 'magnet').

no shit Sherlock, I said as much



However you still didnt answer the question about the charge dump,  NICE DIVERSION TACTIC


wireless and particle-free power transfer doesnt even REGISTER in your mind ;D

You said:

Now tell us how a capacitor bank is shunted thru a neodymium iron boron in the creation of a coherent polarized device (ie a "magnet")


I said:

A capacitor bank is not "shunted thru" NdFeB to create a magnet.

My response was accurate.

I still do not believe that you understand how a magnetizer functions, or you would not have said "shunted thru".

Apparently you believe current flows thru the pre-magnet, so tell us, how much current passes thru the pre-magnet and what is the voltage across the pre-magnet?
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 05:05:01 AM
My response was accurate.


So was mine, ......but you thought youd be a NICE ASSHOLE and split hairs ...and mention the obvious goddamn coils which I myself have had my hands on many times.



Now tell about wireless power transfer and increased capacitance (and its coherency) in the creation of an N50 neo for example



Hair splitting assholes are Sophists
, pure and uncut, thru and thru
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: picowatt on January 01, 2015, 05:10:14 AM

So was mine, ......but you thought youd be a NICE ASSHOLE and split hairs ...and mention the obvious goddamn coils which I myself have had my hands on many times.



Now tell about wireless power transfer and increased capacitance (and its coherency) in the creation of an N50 neo for example



Hair splitting assholes are Sophists
, pure and uncut, thru and thru

No, your "shunted thru" comment was not at all accurate.  It was a throwback to your erroneous statements of months ago wherein you were adamant that a magnetizer passed current thru a pre-magnet (discharged the capacitors thru the pre-magnet).

So, once again, tell us, how much current passes thru the pre-magnet and what is the voltage across the pre-magnet when magnetized by a magnetizer (such as the one you posted an image of)?


Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: CANGAS on January 01, 2015, 05:13:44 AM

Show me a picture of a ONE PIECE Faraday disk,.....


no such bullshit exists.




You brought it up, now produce a goddamn picture of SAID UNICORN.




Maybe I cant count, add up the PIECES below for me.
   One-piece motor horseshit.




THEN ADD ONE MORE PIECE NOT SEEN
,..............WHICH IS THE GODDAMN IDIOT TURNING THE CRANK ON THE "ONE PIECE MOTOR"


I have been much more patient with you than you have deserved. I do not care if you ever learn anything about physics.

You are worthless. And hopeless.

You have taught me one thing. You have showed me something that is even more wasteful of time than playing chess. Trying to discuss electrodynamics with you.


Bye bye
CANGAS 122
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 05:25:31 AM
You are worthless. And hopeless.


Still waiting for that ONE PIECE MOTOR PICTURE




So, where the goddamn hell is it?      No such bullshit exists, and you fucking know it.   ;D
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: CANGAS on January 01, 2015, 06:09:56 AM

Still waiting for that ONE PIECE MOTOR PICTURE




So, where the goddamn hell is it?      No such bullshit exists, and you fucking know it.   ;D


I left the building too soon?

TA, you are really unbelievably clownish. If you knew squat about electrodynamics, you would know about the one-piece Faraday motor/dynamo.

If you can afford it, buy Vallone's book, "The Homopolar Handbook". Pictures. Photos. And writing too.

Build one. You can run it on Faraday field lines. Don't know where to tell you to go to get them.


Regards
CANGAS 124
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 01, 2015, 06:36:50 AM
He's just playing with words, CANGAS. Everybody reading here, including Kenny baby, knows what is meant by three-piece, two-piece, and one-piece homopolar motor/dynamo. His own posted diagram, and the image most recently posted, show a two-piece HPD, with a stationary magnet and a rotating copper disk. Other diagrams showed a three-piece HPD, and my video shows a ONE PIECE homopolar motor/dynamo. We all know that brushes, axles, frames, the Earth, etc. do not count in this nomenclature; it refers to the rotating parts only. Even foulmouth baby Kenny knows this. Kenny baby is just squirming, flailing, making stuff up _yet again_ since he has been skewered like a frog on a gig.  The "car of a thousand parts" argument that he tosses out is pitiful, childlike wordplay, mere sophistry, emitted in yet another attempt to bolster his insecure and fragile ego.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: CANGAS on January 01, 2015, 06:53:06 AM
Oy vey! I'm forgetting everything! i'm remembering nothing!

TA's idol that he worships, (no, not Einstein) Tesla, experimented with and published much information about Faraday dynamos, including ONE-PIECE dynamos.  I'm pretty sure Tesla patented variations of the one-piece dynamo.

Anybody who claims to be an avid student of Tesla electrodynamics would surely already know all about them from having read of them (including PICTURES) in his studies of Tesla.

TA, you want a picture? Get out your Tesla reference books and start looking!

TA, you are looking as phony as a 3 dollar bill.


Ho ho ho.
Merry New Year
CANGAS 125
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: CANGAS on January 01, 2015, 09:04:54 AM
He's just playing with words, CANGAS. Everybody reading here, including Kenny baby, knows what is meant by three-piece, two-piece, and one-piece homopolar motor/dynamo. His own posted diagram, and the image most recently posted, show a two-piece HPD, with a stationary magnet and a rotating copper disk. Other diagrams showed a three-piece HPD, and my video shows a ONE PIECE homopolar motor/dynamo. We all know that brushes, axles, frames, the Earth, etc. do not count in this nomenclature; it refers to the rotating parts only. Even foulmouth baby Kenny knows this. Kenny baby is just squirming, flailing, making stuff up _yet again_ since he has been skewered like a frog on a gig.  The "car of a thousand parts" argument that he tosses out is pitiful, childlike wordplay, mere sophistry, emitted in yet another attempt to bolster his insecure and fragile ego.


Tinse....thanks for the cheering verification of my own surmise re TA.

Nothing to fault in any word of your post.

Except, if I wasn't trying to act like I was at least a little civilized and nice round here, I would have laid it on a little heavier.

But that is just a matter of style, not substance.


Best regards
CANGAS 126
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 09:46:33 AM
you would know about the one-piece Faraday motor/dynamo.

If you can afford it, buy Vallone's book, "The Homopolar Handbook". Pictures. Photos. And writing too.

Build one. You can run it on Faraday field lines. Don't know where to tell you to go to get them.




you contradict yourself boy, a ONE PART device would NOT HAVE TO BE BUILT   ;D ;D ;D ;D


How goddamn dumb are you son?



Either you cannot COUNT parts, or youre a genuine imbecile,.............neither of which bodes well for you.

Again, no such goddamn thing exists,   PERIOD



Ill show you a Unicorn as soon as you produce a ONE PIECE MOTOR.


Never going to happen.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 09:50:49 AM
and my video shows a ONE PIECE homopolar motor/dynamo.



We all know that brushes, axles, frames, the Earth, etc. do not count in this nomenclature



we all know that ?   Yeah, that shit doesnt fly here.




You remind of a THREE STOOGES video where they build a car, and all these parts are left over,  MOE asks   "what are those"?


Curly says  "ohh, those dont count!!!!!!"   ;D ;D ;D




and my video shows a ONE PIECE homopolar motor/dynamo.


and,.....your video shows no such goddamn thing. 



lets COUNT the parts in the ASSEMBLY




and dont leave out the power supply in the background.  :o :o ;D

Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: CANGAS on January 01, 2015, 10:43:18 AM


we all know that ?   Yeah, that shit doesnt fly here.




You remind of a THREE STOOGES video where they build a car, and all these parts are left over,  MOE asks   "what are those"?


Curly says  "ohh, those dont count!!!!!!"   ;D ;D ;D





and,.....your video shows no such goddamn thing. 



lets COUNT the parts in the ASSEMBLY




and dont leave out the power supply in the background.  :o :o ;D


I have been noticing that you are grandly adept at doing comedy routine, but, are totally defective at giving us good useful new electrodynamic theory.

Sorry, fanciful pictures dont count for anything.

Tell us some useful new theory, IN TERMS THAT ARE UNDERSTANDABLE AND USEFUL. I have seen mucous slime trails left by garden snails on my West Garden walks that are more meaningful than anything you have uttered. 


Kindest regards
CANGAS 127
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: CANGAS on January 01, 2015, 11:01:43 AM



you contradict yourself boy, a ONE PART device would NOT HAVE TO BE BUILT   ;D ;D ;D ;D


How goddamn dumb are you son?



Either you cannot COUNT parts, or youre a genuine imbecile,.............neither of which bodes well for you.

Again, no such goddamn thing exists,   PERIOD



Ill show you a Unicorn as soon as you produce a ONE PIECE MOTOR.


Never going to happen.


Quote
How goddamn dumb are you son?

Obviously not as dumb as you.

For about 200 years now, every electrodynamics physicist has known what a "one-piece" Faraday disk is. So now you claim to be as clever as the devil, and know all about fields moving when they cannot be moving, but, you also simultaneously claim to be as dumb as a drunk moron, and not know what a one-piece disk is.

Very well, I take you at your word; You are as dumb as a drunk moron. 40 million physicists have known what a one-piece Faraday disk is, across 200 years, but clever-as-the-devil TA doesn't know a one-piece from his own ass.


Yr. most humble and obedt. servt.  ;)
CANGAS 128
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 11:14:04 AM
Kindest regards
CANGAS 127



Still waiting for a picture of that ONE PART MOTOR you keep talking about.....



put up or shut your stink-hole.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 11:17:25 AM
and know all about fields moving when they cannot be moving,



why dont you tell that fucking goddamn bullshit to GENERAL ELECTRIC which relies on GYROMAGNETIC PRECESSION FREQUENCIES to build million $$$$  MRI machines.



Tell them "that shit isnt moving"



You really are that goddamn stupid
, as is obviously evidenced.




Heres a HINT, moron, a frequency of ANYTHING is implicative of SPATIAL MOVEMENT,   youre an idiot, pure and uncut.


Genuine fool
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 11:20:19 AM
You are as dumb as a drunk moron.


1. Never drink  ,........once or twice in college

2. Was chess champ in high school and college

3. graduated 2 years early from college

4. retired at age 32

5. Translate ancient Pali, Greek, and Russian

6. Author of 7 books






Whats your rebuttal to this son?
  ;D

Go pound sand, boy.



Show us all that ONE PART motor .
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 01, 2015, 11:29:05 AM
It's a rather infantile argument, don't you think?  Why not just go with the flow?  You have a single disk that rotates on its axis and it is electrically grounded.  You touch this single disk with a brush to make electrical contact and it spins.  What's the point in arguing about the semantics of whether it is one piece or not?

I think the real issue is Kenny's description of how it works.  I think a few pages back he tossed up a small word salad to explain how it works.  That would be incorrect.

It's a familiar theme.  For example you have that new guy with his "cold electricity" and the big transformers and the big claims about free energy.  Meanwhile he cannot string together five sentences about electricity that make sense.

It's the same old song and dance.

MileHigh
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 11:43:00 AM
big claims about free energy.


free energy doesnt exist son.



You confuse free extraction of the loss of inertia, 


.......with FREE spontaneous overunity ("free energy") which does not exist.



Overunity doesnt exist
, nor have I mentioned anything about same being present anywhere, at any time.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 01, 2015, 11:51:25 AM
Well when a guy says that a lump of metal sitting next to a magnet is allegedly an unlimited source of heat energy I call that "free energy."
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on January 01, 2015, 11:51:33 AM
Quote from ken'overunity doesnt exist, nor have I mentioned anything about same being present anywhere, at any time'

End quote

If that bismuth ball heats up without effort it will be in direct violation of kelvins famous statement thus it will definitely fall under wikipedias perpetual motion definition
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on January 01, 2015, 11:54:32 AM
My bismuth/bismuth sulfide experiment from earlier on was prone to error I see today.as the current has gone into reverse mode thus cannot rule out noise heat gradients.sorry folks,apologies.perhaps a large piece bismuth like ken used will do better?
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 12:03:44 PM
Well when a guy says that a lump of metal sitting next to a magnet is allegedly an unlimited source of heat energy I call that "free energy."


the simplex nature of magnetic divergence against the HIGHEST order of LOWEST MAGNETIC PERMEABILITY (= diamagnetic) .........eludes you.



All force (energy) is the loss of inertia.       There is no energy without the loss of inertia.


Force without loss of inertia ( free energy, overunity).......does not exist.


Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on January 01, 2015, 12:09:44 PM
Quote frm ken:
All force (energy) is the loss of inertia.       There is no energy without the loss of inertia.


Force without loss of inertia ( free energy, overunity)....doesnot exist'

End quote

If your bismuth ball heatsup above ambient with no effort it is most certainly free energy and definitely a violation of the 2nd law.it is free work against kelvin statement
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 01, 2015, 12:11:12 PM
If that bismuth ball heats up without effort it will be in direct violation of kelvins famous statement thus it will definitely fall under wikipedias perpetual motion definition


without effort?  ........ You mean the dump/loss of inertia.........no such thing exists NOR is implied


perpetual:........  as long as the coherent polarized reciprocating magnetic divergence is present against the LOWEST magnetic permeability metal (the bismuth), then said force lines can and do cause very minor heating.


that however is not perpetual. maybe connotatively so, but not in reality or definitionally.




magnetic "lines of force" are indeed FORCE,  theyre the loss of inertia, expressed as FORCE and MOTION.


The greatest elemental RESISTANCE TO SAID FORCE, .......is bismuth   (this is in dispute by NOBODY on EARTH, at any time).


Dielectric field torsion expressed by low magnetic permeability by said bismuth in the presence of a strong magnetic divergent force density....... is translational into and AS heat.



Its not even complicated.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on January 01, 2015, 12:18:09 PM
Quote frm ken'without effort?  ........ You mean the dump/loss of inertia.........no such thing exists NOR is implied'

I didn't say that.kelvins 2nd law statement strictly prohibits any spontaneous concentration of heat against ambient.thus your device is by definition absolutely,totaly free energy and true perpetual motion.unless the ball heats up temporarily
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 01, 2015, 12:19:10 PM

All force (energy) is the loss of inertia.       There is no energy without the loss of inertia.

Force without loss of inertia ( free energy, overunity).......does not exist.

Well if you are talking about mechanical inertia there is none so obviously there is none to lose.

If you are talking about the stuff from the Kenny universe, "coherent polarized reciprocating magnetic divergence," etc., etcc, then I don't buy it.

You are claiming an unlimited source of thermal power.  This is impossible.  Hopefully one or more of the replicators generates good data.  Then we can read your retraction!

MileHigh
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on January 01, 2015, 12:33:57 PM
@ken please note the title of this thread begins 'zero input..'This is a claim for overunity by definition
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on January 01, 2015, 12:51:44 PM
If that ball heatsup for 3hours and longer it is unquestionably perpetual motion.biased thermal motion
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 02, 2015, 01:37:49 AM
@ken please note the title of this thread begins 'zero input..'This is a claim for overunity by definition



fallacious conclusion on your behalf,    ZERO INPUT as both meant and implied mechanical input as would be the case from an induction motor etc.


ALL FORCE MOVEMENT has a potential for the creation of work,  ......in this case against the lowest magnetic permeability element.




This is absolutely NOT overunity, which is definitionally the presence of FORCE > INERTIA, or 0
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 02, 2015, 01:44:41 AM
If that ball heatsup for 3hours and longer it is unquestionably perpetual motion.biased thermal motion


Perpetual motion is only implicative of free natural tapping of the loss of inertia

humanity has known for 70 some years, that if we had a tower to stretch into space, we could harvest FREE energy from the magnetosphere.

however that is insanely impractical.


Free harvest of FREE natural motion, ala water running, or the dielectric pulses pouring down on a solar panel are all FREE energy, they are however neither PERPETUAL, nor OVERUNITY.



FREE energy is almost everywhere,...........PERPETUAL energy and OVERUNITY are nowhere to be found.   ;D
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: picowatt on January 02, 2015, 03:07:58 AM
TA,

From a previous post of mine:
Quote
You said:

Now tell us how a capacitor bank is shunted thru a neodymium iron boron in the creation of a coherent polarized device (ie a "magnet")


I said:

A capacitor bank is not "shunted thru" NdFeB to create a magnet.

My response was accurate.

I still do not believe that you understand how a magnetizer functions, or you would not have said "shunted thru".

Apparently you believe current flows thru the pre-magnet, so tell us, how much current passes thru the pre-magnet and what is the voltage across the pre-magnet?

And in a later post of mine:
Quote
No, your "shunted thru" comment was not at all accurate.  It was a throwback to your erroneous statements of months ago wherein you were adamant that a magnetizer passed current thru a pre-magnet (discharged the capacitors thru the pre-magnet).

So, once again, tell us, how much current passes thru the pre-magnet and what is the voltage across the pre-magnet when magnetized by a magnetizer (such as the one you posted an image of)?

Still waiting for an answer...
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 02, 2015, 03:33:51 AM
Still waiting for an answer...


You deny wireless and particle free energy transfer is possible,



Youre an atomist and materialist.     Idiots like you think induction is rooted in non-existent electrons and soldered wire circuits.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: picowatt on January 02, 2015, 03:39:59 AM

You deny wireless and particle free energy transfer is possible,



Youre an atomist and materialist.     Idiots like you think induction is rooted in non-existent electrons and soldered wire circuits.

Possibly you cannot answer because you did not understand the question.

So once again, during the magnetization process of a pre-magnet with a magnetizer such as the one in the image you posted, how much current flows thru the pre-magnet and what is the voltage across the poles of the pre-magnet?
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 02, 2015, 03:49:31 AM
Try to answer the question without changing the subject Kenny.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: picowatt on January 02, 2015, 03:58:36 AM
Try to answer the question without changing the subject Kenny.

MH,

Just a quick shout out to you.  We haven't conversed in some time.  Wishes for a Happy New Year to you!

As for the question posed, one would think it quite easy to answer for someone who writes books about magnets.

There are even clues in the image posted.  But let's see how he does on his own...
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 02, 2015, 04:03:54 AM
Explain wireless and particle free energy transfer



check the current yourself
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: picowatt on January 02, 2015, 04:05:19 AM
Explain wireless and particle free energy transfer



check the current yourself

Once again, during the magnetization process of a pre-magnet with a magnetizer such as the one in the image you posted, how much current flows thru the pre-magnet and what is the voltage across the poles of the pre-magnet?
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 02, 2015, 04:08:28 AM

There are even clues in the image posted.  But let's see how he does on his own...


coherent and polarized via two means son, either coherency without an increase in capacitance,


or coherent and polarized from a discharge with resultant net increase in capacitance.




What did you think "magnetize" MEANS MORON?     Every atom is has its interatomic radius FULL of magneto-dielectricity


even a glass of liquid mercury,..........  so explain the very term "MAGNETIZE"


You cannot, ..........yet you ask about the CURRENT necessary for magnetization.



Current of what material?

Current to achieve WHAT GAUSS range?

Current for Neo Iron Boron?

What sintering?

What shape?

What thickness?



you use the term MAGNETIZATION with no clue as to even what the term means except by proximal DESCRIPTION


like all others, you live with descriptions, not Explanations.

Ive posted this many times before, but youre clueless.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 02, 2015, 04:10:34 AM
how much current flows thru the pre-magnet and what is the voltage across the poles of the pre-magnet?


What current son, there is no direct contact circuit with the magnet from the magnetizer coils



AGAIN, asshole, explain wireless transfer of capacitance (energy)



you cannot.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: picowatt on January 02, 2015, 04:14:53 AM

coherent and polarized via two means son, either coherency without an increase in capacitance,


or coherent and polarized from a discharge with resultant net increase in capacitance.




What did you think "magnetize" MEANS MORON?     Every atom is has its interatomic radius FULL of magneto-dielectricity


even a glass of liquid mercury,..........  so explain the very term "MAGNETIZE"


You cannot, ..........yet you ask about the CURRENT necessary for magnetization.



Current of what material?

Current to achieve WHAT GAUSS range?

Current for Neo Iron Boron?

What sintering?

What shape?

What thickness?



you use the term MAGNETIZATION with no clue as to even what the term means except by proximal DESCRIPTION


like all others, you live with descriptions, not Explanations.

Ive posted this many times before, but youre clueless.

Wow, this question should be very easy to answer for an "expert" such as yourself (you even write books on the subject!)

During the magnetization process of a pre-magnet, with a magnetizer such as the one in the image you posted, how much current flows thru the pre-magnet and what is the voltage across the poles of the pre-magnet?

Feel free to just round off the amps and volts if you want.

And, of course, if you don't know the answer, you can just state that as well...

ADDED:  If you feel you need to know the pre-magnet material, just use the apparent AlNiCo horseshoe that is in the image as an example.  However, feel free to consider the pre-magnet as being any material you desire, if that is easier.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 02, 2015, 04:18:09 AM
And, of course, if you don't know the answer, you can just state that as well...



Youre being a sophistic moron, I can magnetize an object by

1. Magnetization Using Indirect Induction (Indirect Magnetization)

2. A 1 volt battery discharge

3. or 300 V and 30 amps  and more.



You insane fucking moronic question is like asking how long do you have to open the TAP to get water in a glass.



Youre a sophistic worm.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: picowatt on January 02, 2015, 04:25:43 AM


Youre being a sophistic moron, I can magnetize an object by

1. Magnetization Using Indirect Induction (Indirect Magnetization)

2. A 1 volt battery discharge

3. or 300 V and 30 amps  and more.



You insane fucking moronic question is like asking how long do you have to open the TAP to get water in a glass.



Youre a sophistic worm.

But what is the answer to this question:

During the magnetization process of a pre-magnet, with a magnetizer such as the one in the image you posted, how much current flows thru the pre-magnet and what is the voltage across the poles of the pre-magnet?
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 02, 2015, 04:53:06 AM
But what is the answer to this question:

During the magnetization process of a pre-magnet, with a magnetizer such as the one in the image you posted, how much current flows thru the pre-magnet and what is the voltage across the poles of the pre-magnet?


you didnt mention the capacitance or resistance of said material

The displacement current which results from the production or consumption of total dielectric induction



I love sophistic assholes.


The displacement current I, in amperes, is given by the proportion of the total quantity of dielectric induction, to the time rate of the gain or loss of this quantity of dielectric induction, in per seconds. The current, I, is the time rate of variation of dielectricity....... so, now , asshole, what is the capacitance, mass of the object being magnetized, and its material?  Fe?  Neo Fe Bo? or cobalt?


Go pound sand, you sophistic worm.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: picowatt on January 02, 2015, 04:58:10 AM

you didnt mention the capacitance or resistance of said material

The displacement current which results from the production or consumption of total dielectric induction



I love sophistic assholes.


The displacement current I, in amperes, is given by the proportion of the total quantity of dielectric induction, to the time rate of the gain or loss of this quantity of dielectric induction, in per seconds. The current, I, is the time rate of variation of dielectricity....... so, now , asshole, what is the capacitance, mass of the object being magnetized, and its material?  Fe?  Neo Fe Bo? or cobalt?


Go pound sand, you sophistic worm.

If you knew the answer to the question, you would realize how unimportant all that you speak of truly is.

So, once again:

During the magnetization process of a pre-magnet with a magnetizer such as the one in the image you posted, how much current flows thru the pre-magnet and what is the voltage across the poles of the pre-magnet?


(Are you conceding that you do not know what the current thru, and the voltage across, the pre-magnet is during the magnetization process using a magnetizer such as the one in the image you posted?)

ADDED:  The first step towards learning anything, is admitting you don't know everything...
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 02, 2015, 05:08:38 AM
Are you conceding that you do not know what the current thru


I answered you 2 times,   not accepting the answer is not a non-answer



I see youve taken worm lessons from High for Miles
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: picowatt on January 02, 2015, 05:11:04 AM

I answered you 2 times,   not accepting the answer is not a non-answer



I see youve taken worm lessons from High for Miles

My sincerest apologies, I must have missed it, as likely all other readers here have.

What was your answer?

ADDED:  Just two numbers are needed, the current thru, and the voltage across, the pre-magnet during the magnetization process when magnetized using a magnetizer as shown in your posted images.  No need to be exact, feel free to round.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 02, 2015, 06:16:49 AM
PW:

Hey thanks for your comments, and best wishes and happy new year to you and everyone on the forum!

Perhaps Kenny could cope with a multiple choice question?

(A) Current through the pre-magnet (please specify voltage and current)
(B) Current through an external coil

You never know!  Talk about trials and tribulations...
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: picowatt on January 02, 2015, 08:09:03 AM
PW:

Hey thanks for your comments, and best wishes and happy new year to you and everyone on the forum!

Perhaps Kenny could cope with a multiple choice question?

(A) Current through the pre-magnet (please specify voltage and current)
(B) Current through an external coil

You never know!  Talk about trials and tribulations...

This was all discussed months ago in the "Ultimate" thread.  In fact, I believe my very first post in that thread was with regard to his comments that capacitors are discharged thru pre-magnets and that there was a some kind of distinction between a magnet made by using a PM to magnetize a material and the use of the electrical discharge of capacitors.  With him stating that only magnets made by discharging capacitors were "true" magnets.

Anyone who followed that thread should be able to answer the question presented.  Again, the question asked was:
Quote
During the magnetization process of a pre-magnet with a magnetizer such as the one in the image you posted, how much current flows thru the pre-magnet and what is the voltage across the poles of the pre-magnet?

Are we ready?  The answer is, quite simply, zero, for both current and voltage.

Great lengths are taken in the design of the fixture to ensure that no current flows thru the pre-magnet.  Any appreciable current could cause the pre-core to weld to the magnetizer's poles, burn thru the plating of the pre-magnet, or produce excessive heating.  In fact, there must be no continuity between the pole pieces whatsoever, or an electrically conductive pre-core such as Fe, AlNiCo, plated neo, etc., placed across the poles of the magnetizer, would form a single turn secondary thru which very large currents would flow (welding the pre-magnet to the poles, etc).

The clue in the image was not the meters on the control heads, but was actually the rough surfaces of the pole pieces in the image with the horeshoe magnet across the pole pieces.  As no voltage is applied across the pole pieces of the magnetizer, and therefore no current, there is no need for a smooth, electrically conductive surface with which to contact the pre-magnet.  Consider what any appreciable current would do with the minimal contact points afforded by the rough surface of the pole pieces.  The sparks would fly!

In those previous postings of months ago, TA seemed to finally concede that the capacitors were not actually discharged directly thru the pre-magnet, but then stated that there was instead an induced voltage and current.  That too was fully discussed, and an Engineer at a magnetizer manufacturer was consulted to confirm that indeed, no appreciable currents are induced into or thru the pre-magnet.  In fact, the rise time of the magnetic field of the magnetizer must be controlled (slowed) to ensure eddy currents are kept to a minimum, as their magnetic fields are in opposition to the magnetizer's applied field which would reduce the peak field strength acheived in the pre-magnet.

And finally, as well with confirmation from that Engineer, it was stated that only the peak flux achieved thru the pre-magnet was important, and not the actual source of the applied magnetic field,  That is, there was no distinction between a magnet created with a PM or the electromagnet of a magnetizer, all were "true" magnets without distinction.

So with all that rather lengthy and tortured discussion of months ago, it seemed odd that TA would (again) state:

Quote
    Now tell us how a capacitor bank is shunted thru a neodymium iron boron in the creation of a coherent polarized device (ie a "magnet")

And then object to anyone responding with "a capacitor bank is not shunted thru" a pre-magnet.

Happy New Year to All!

PW   
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 02, 2015, 08:40:40 AM
it was stated that only the peak flux achieved thru the pre-magnet was important, and not the actual source of the applied magnetic field,  That is, there was no distinction between a magnet created with a PM or the electromagnet of a magnetizer, all were "true" magnets without distinction.


"peak flux" meaningless BS,  there is a non contact INDUCED CHARGE DUMPED thru the formed magnet-TO-be.


There is an ENORMOUS qualitative difference between PM made by an electromagnet and and one created from another magnet

You LYING FUCK
,.........while BOTH can achieve the same GAUSS rating, one is VERY VERY easy to reverse polarity on afterwards AND lose its gauss rating  (the one created with a PM),...... the other, NOT.



Polarized surface gauss readings DO NOT READ or REGISTER, or GIVE INFORMATION as to the inherent increased (or lack thereof) capacitance of the MAGNET BEING MEASURED IN GAUSS

idiot




And then object to anyone responding with "a capacitor bank is not shunted thru" a pre-magnet.

In fact, it is, non contact induction is DUMPED directly into the Pre-magnet

"DIRECTLY" has no bearing on CONTACT or NON CONTACT

Or stick your fucking head in a MICROWAVE and tell us how NON CONTACT feels.




Wireless power transfer is still in your "no fucking clue" part of your brain.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: picowatt on January 02, 2015, 09:03:01 AM
TA,

Don't be such a sore loser!  But I do have to admit, the question was not that difficult.

As for your response to my post, you are wrong about many things.  Here is a copy of the post I made several months ago regarding the responses I received from a design Engineer at a magnetizer manufacturer.

Quote
In the previous post, you can see that TA refers to either passing electrical current directly thru the pre-magnet or doing the same using electromagnetic induction.  As passing the current directly thru the poles of a pre-magnet makes no sense on many grounds (and is indeed not actually done when using a magnetizer) we must assume he meant that the current was passed thru the pre-magnet via electromagnetic induction.

If this were the case, I proposed that the strength acheived in the pre-magnet would be rate dependent, that is, would follow Faraday's law and that a magnetizing field with a faster rise/fall time would create a stronger field in the pre-magnet (which I did not believe in reality to be the case).

As I also suggested I would, I have been in touch with an engineer at a magnetizer company and what follows are a few points regarding those discussions:

1. The currents that are induced into a pre-magnet by the magnetizer's changing field produce magnetic fields in opposition to the magnetizer's field. This is undesirable as it can limit the field strength achieved and produce unwanted heating.


2. Although the domains typically align within less than 10ns., the rate that the magnetizer's field is applied is typically slowed to reduce the effects of induced currents.


3. Modern magnetizers typically have selectable capacitor values and adjustable peak voltage values, which, in concert with magnetizer and jig inductance, allow the time parameters of the magnetizer's field to be tailored to reduce the effects of induced currents. As the magnetizer's field reaches its peak value, and briefly holds, all induced currents cease as they are rate dependent (i.e., the currents are only induced while the magnetizer's field strength is changing)


4. In a plated magnet, the induced currents are typically contained within, or greatest within, the plating and because their magnetic fields are in opposition to the magetizer's field, they can act to shield the interior of the pre-magnet and limit the depth of the domains within the pre-magnet that can be oriented (as above, the rate of change of the demagnetizer's field must be slowed to reduce this effect)


5. As it is currently understood, and with various methods having been used to provide evidence thereof, all permanent magnet alloys, and ferrous materials in general, upon cooling below their Curie temp, form domains of approx. 10,000 atoms or atom groups. Each domain assumes a particular magnetic alignment and each domain can be considered as being already magnetized as if it were itself a magnet. Therefore, all PM alloys, and ferrous materials in general, can be considered already magnetized upon cooling below their Curie temp. The catch being that the domains assume a random, lowest energy, alignment that produces a near zero net field strength overall. There are also what are referred to as "pinning forces" that keep the domains in their random low energy orientations.


6. Not all domains can be forced to orient in the direction desired. When all the domains that can be oriented, are oriented, the magnet is said to be saturated. The field strength required to reach saturation must be sufficient to overcome the pinning forces. Once oriented, the pinning forces again act to keep the domains in this new, higher energy state.


7. The source of the magnetic field used as the source of the magnetizer field is unimportant.  For a given applied field strength, that field strength is identical irregardless of whether it comes from an electromagnet or PM (although their are practical considerations regarding the use of a PM as its field cannot be turned off).


8. Other than the requirement that the magnetizing field peak value be applied for at least the minimum time required to orient the domains (typically<10ns), the rate at which the magnetizing field reaches that that peak value, or remains there, has no effect on the field achieved in the pre-magnet, accept as noted with regard to induced currents and the opposing fields they generate.


PW

PW
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: MarkE on January 02, 2015, 09:41:40 AM
Right on.  A hysteresis curve plots B vs. H.  A value of H is just a value of H.  It doesn't come in different colors, flavors, brightness, or other differentiating features.  It is just H.  Remnant B is a characteristic of the material magnetized and the history of H to which it has been subjected.  If someone believes that they can get a different result from magnetizing a material because of the H source, rather than the magnitude and time sequence of applied H, then I would sure like to see a demonstration of such a claim.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 02, 2015, 10:24:34 AM
Don't be such a sore loser


sophistry and strawman fallacy,   didnt lose anything, other than the last possible point of respect for yourself



You really are on par with Tinfoil hat and  Highformiles.



Explain wireless particle energy transfer again,.....


20th time Ive asked,   still no answer



Dont be a sore loser.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on January 02, 2015, 12:12:20 PM
Quote from theoria-apohasis:'FREE energy is almost everywhere,...........PERPETUAL energy and OVERUNITY are nowhere to be found.   ;D'

End quote

Don't make me angry now ken.kelvins statement vehemently prohibits your ball from heating up above ambient spontaneously.this is over-fucking-unity,if it works as advertised.case closed
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: minnie on January 02, 2015, 02:12:48 PM



   TA,
        one thing that is a complete mystery is dark matter / energy, scientists really
seem to be clueless on this subject.
     How does this fit in with your ideas?
                      John.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 02, 2015, 02:14:26 PM
Quote from theoria-apohasis:'FREE energy is almost everywhere,...........PERPETUAL energy and OVERUNITY are nowhere to be found.   ;D'

End quote

Don't make me angry now ken.kelvins statement vehemently prohibits your ball from heating up above ambient spontaneously.this is over-fucking-unity,if it works as advertised.case closed




Nope,  OVERUNITY is   J > inertia


which is impossible.     


resultant joule J > inertia  ........impossible.





likewise there is NO ENERGY in matter, only its kinetic potential as a SYSTEM in whole or in part


Tesla said this many many many times




All bits in an atomic bomb are STILL PRESENT after the explosion, only a release of much kinetic energy is released, NO MATTER is converted to energy.


If you could release the energy from a trillion trillion tiny tightly wound watches at the same time ....BOOOOOM, ......all pieces are still present afterwards.


matter is not energy, only the kinetic system has said potential.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 02, 2015, 02:23:14 PM


   TA,
        one thing that is a complete mystery is dark matter / energy, scientists really
seem to be clueless on this subject.
     How does this fit in with your ideas?
                      John.


I was reading the book, Dark Matter: An Introduction,.....recently, just for giggles and a laugh as pseudo-scientific Atomism.


On page 89 of this fictional and fantastical work to reify counterspace as being empirical and (dark) "matter" the author states: "The evidence of dark matter is by and large gravitational. The discrepancy between the luminous mass and the gravitational mass gives an indication of the presence of a huge unseen mass in the Universe."


Haa!

This absurd conflation of dielectric counterspatial acceleration is or could possibly be empirical matter of a type "dark", its both a field and force absurdity and impossibility.

The inertia and acceleration of matter towards a singular locus "in space" (but not spatial, rather a counterspatial sink) is simplex countersptial, or inertia which drives acceleration, same as gravity. There is NOT MATTER , or "dark matter" driving counterspatial acceleration.


The authors entire chapter on "evidence for dark matter" contains NEITHER logic NOR evidence for any such absurd premise.

The entire flawed premise of "dark matter" is based upon empirical and atomistic quantification of a "missing link" in the cosmos to which these idiots have reified as MASS, or "dark matter"


"dark matter" is Academic talk for ----"we dont fucking know"
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 02, 2015, 03:37:51 PM
"The evidence of dark matter is by and large gravitational. The discrepancy between the luminous mass and the gravitational mass gives an indication of the presence of a huge unseen mass in the Universe."

Do you really understand what they are saying above?
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: picowatt on January 02, 2015, 05:17:54 PM

sophistry and strawman fallacy,   didnt lose anything, other than the last possible point of respect for yourself

Hardly.  A very simple question was asked, you said you gave the answer twice.  I reread all your responses wherein those answers might have been, and found no mention of the correct answer.  As this was all discussed months ago, it should have been quite easy to answer the question correctly. 

Quote
You really are on par with Tinfoil hat and  Highformiles.

Thank-you!

Quote
Explain wireless particle energy transfer again,.....


20th time Ive asked,   still no answer

If you really want to learn about wireless power transmission (I believe that is what you are asking), I suggest you begin with this Wiki on the subject:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_power

If you are indeed interested in pursuing further research in wireless power transmission, consider taking some courses in electronics.

Quote
 
Dont be a sore loser.

Excellent advice!

Good sportsmanship, a civil tongue, and being considerate of others should always be the chosen path...

PW
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on January 03, 2015, 02:15:27 AM
Quote from theoria:'nope,  OVERUNITY is   J > inertia


which is impossible.     


resultant joule J > inertia  ........impossible. '

End quote

You're talking about the 1st law thermodynamics here,no destruction nor creation of energie.I'm talking about recycling of said 'inertias'.I'm talking about 2nd law thermodynamics which prohibits spontaneous recycling beyond a set limit.this is overunity by definition.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on January 03, 2015, 02:20:35 AM
@ken.Put another way,if that ball is heating up above amb,something else is cooling down below amb,with no effort,free work.paradise
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 03, 2015, 02:34:52 AM
@ken.Put another way,if that ball is heating up above amb,something else is cooling down below amb,with no effort,free work.paradise


If you think everything fits inside your 2nd law thermodynamics box, then keep living with that notion in your head.



OK.



Idiot academics always think theyre right and have the answers until a mountain of evidence mows them down.


keep clutching onto to said notions.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on January 03, 2015, 03:39:00 AM
Quote frm TheoriaApophasis:'
If you think everything fits inside your 2nd law thermodynamics box'

End quote

Trust me son.the whole universe swims in this box.your claim is at loggerheads with this cornerstone law
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 03, 2015, 07:10:42 AM

keep clutching onto to said notions.



The problem with your argument is....every device that we all use on a daily basis conforms to this law.  We went to the moon using these "notions".  You are typing on a computer that conforms to these "notions".  Your car does also.

So, my point is that we have mountains of evidence repeated thousands of times over hundreds of years that support these laws, and you have your opinion that this is not correct.

What do you think the Vegas odds makers would give you that you are correct?

Bill
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: happyfunball on January 03, 2015, 08:53:27 AM
Bismuth is 'mildly' radioactive, is it not? Depending on which source you cite, it may or may not even be considered a stable element.

Pretty doubtful the 2nd LoT is in question.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: CANGAS on January 03, 2015, 10:32:32 AM
Bismuth is 'mildly' radioactive, is it not? Depending on which source you cite, it may or may not even be considered a stable element.

Pretty doubtful the 2nd LoT is in question.


LOL!

TA could be awarded the Nobel for discovering that there is an unstable isotope of Bismuth?


Happiest regards
CANGAS 129
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 03, 2015, 10:48:37 AM
Trust me son.the whole universe swims in this box.your claim is at loggerheads with this cornerstone law



yes yes, some pinheaded fuckwits said the same about breaking the sound barrier not so long ago



hubris
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: profitis on January 03, 2015, 10:51:45 AM
Tquote frm cangas:'TA could be awarded the Nobel for discovering that there is an unstable isotope of Bismuth?'


If there is a temperature difference and if no magnet is required then it begins to look nuclearish
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 03, 2015, 11:21:35 AM


yes yes, some pinheaded fuckwits said the same about breaking the sound barrier not so long ago



hubris

Oct. 14th 1947 Charles Yeager broke the sound barrier in the X-1.  The engineers at Bell knew that this was possible as they designed the X-1 in the shape of a bullet/shell that was known for years to break the sound barrier.  Bullets and shells fired during WWII broke the sound barrier on a regular basis.  The only question as far as aircraft were concerned was, could control be maintained during the transitional phase.  Shock waves played hell with control surfaces in this stage and the answer they found was to have an adjustable horizontal stabilizer that could be moved while going transonic.  They did this, it worked as they thought it would.

So, once again, you are not correct.

Bill
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on January 03, 2015, 11:41:43 AM
Oct. 14th 1947 Charles Yeager broke the sound barrier in the X-1.  The engineers at Bell knew that this was possible as they designed the X-1 in the shape of a bullet/shell that was known for years to break the sound barrier.  Bullets and shells fired during WWII broke the sound barrier on a regular basis.  The only question as far as aircraft were concerned was, could control be maintained during the transitional phase.  Shock waves played hell with control surfaces in this stage and the answer they found was to have an adjustable horizontal stabilizer that could be moved while going transonic.  They did this, it worked as they thought it would.

So, once again, you are not correct.

Bill




I like how you only rolled the history timeline back JUST FAR ENOUGH in an attempt to support your position.



Too bad I didnt qualify HOW LONG AGO,   so you couldnt engage in sophistic bullshat.

Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 03, 2015, 11:48:24 AM



I like how you only rolled the history timeline back JUST FAR ENOUGH in an attempt to support your position.



Too bad I didnt qualify HOW LONG AGO,   so you couldnt engage in sophistic bullshat.

Well, how far back do you want to go?  Lightning has been breaking the sound barrier since the beginning of time.  Is that far enough back?

Bill
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: CycleGuy on December 09, 2015, 08:30:28 PM
MH
so the Black sock covering the Ball in the photo above is not adequate to stop this reflection?

Not likely.

http://www.wired.com/2015/08/fujifilm-x-t1-infrared/ (http://www.wired.com/2015/08/fujifilm-x-t1-infrared/)
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But this new camera has one big difference: It might be able to see through clothing. Some clothing, at least. That’s because it’s able to “see” infrared light, which is invisible to the human eye.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhbhM_HtUag (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhbhM_HtUag)
You'll note it sees through a thick sweater and bra, and through jeans.

Of course, that ends this discussion as everyone on the forum goes to hack their iPhone to see through clothes. LOL
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: CycleGuy on December 09, 2015, 09:21:38 PM

then youre blind, clueless, and dumb to boot. 


 GYROMAGNETIC PRECESSION is a very WELL KNOWN ENTITY


also known as the larmor frequency,    (hint hint hint  FREQUENCY = MOVEMENT)

Go research, or dont, ..........I dont give a damn.

http://overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/msg411299/#msg411299 (http://overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/msg411299/#msg411299)
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Protons precess coherently when in the presence of a powerful dielectric field. The frequency at which the precession occurs is called the Larmor frequency. This causes an oscillating and precessing magnetic field that can be measured.

{sigh} The magnetic field from the nucleal protons is about 1000 times weaker than the magnetic field from the half-shell electrons and is not coherent, and thus doesn't contribute to the aggregate magnetic field experienced outside the pole faces... so unless Mr. Wheeler is now arguing that all permanent magnets are actually approximately 1000 times weaker than measured, he's wrong on this contention, as well... a product of his denial of the existence of electrons.

Wait... wasn't it Mr. Wheeler who said that "Mother Nature does not do particles or Quantum BS"? And isn't he the guy who says positive and negative charges don't exist? Yeah, he did and he is... so his protons (a positively charged particle) must not exist, just as he claims an electron doesn't exist... making his description above completely nonsensical in relation to his theory. That's got to be quite an embarrassment for him, to have to fall back on charged particles while denying their existence.  :-X

Besides which, the protons cannot precess to the magnitude he claims unless the entire nucleus precesses (the protons being bound together with neutrons via the strong nuclear force (which Wheeler also denies exists)), which is inordinately difficult to get the nucleus to do, given its relatively larger mass, so his claim that the protons are (and thus the nucleus is) precessing at the Larmor frequency and thus creating the magnetic field of a magnet is an utter impossibility.

Not to mention that precession (whether we're talking about Wheeler's purported nucleal precession or electron precession in orbit about the nucleus) would not cause coherent magnetism, it would tend to damp it by causing an essentially random net magnetic moment. Electrons rejecting as an aggregate (much like a Casimir cavity does) out-of-phase QVZPE field modes longer than the Compton radius and thus damping electron precession (and thus making the electron orbit less chaotic) is part of the reason for the magnetic field's coherency. So the small amount of precession that a nucleal proton can do, which results in it throwing off Larmor radiation to balance energy in-flow from the QVZPE field and out-flow via Larmor radiation, is not coherent, and thus has no net magnetic moment.

Are his protons (ie: his one-particle which can seemingly randomly switch back and forth between neutron-form and proton-form (in the process changing size and weight by many orders of magnitude), because remember, he insists that all matter consists of one particle, a bastardization of Circlon Theory's "Neutron as Proton and Electron Egg" theory... without the electron (because he denies the existence of electrons... of course, he then goes on to deny all particles (to quote him, "Nope, mother nature doesnt do particles and quantum BS."), saying it's all "fields within fields upon fields across fields"... so it's understandable that he's confused as concerns this topic.) throwing off Larmor radiation? Because it can be demonstrated that they do not do so to any great extent... because while the proton is a charged particle, a nucleal proton is not in motion (it's locked into place in the atoms of the magnetic material, remember), nor is it following a curved path (and thereby undergoing acceleration), the three main requirements for Larmor radiation.

Oh, that's right, he claims the magnet is throwing off "inertial dielectricity", which is his redefinition of "the opposite of rest" and "static electricity"... but if this were the case, one could capture this "static electricity in motion" thrown off by his magical magnets and put it to good use powering electrical equipment without having to rely upon relativistic space-time compression and thus perceived charge compression of the electrons in the wire, as is done in conventional generators.

Well, what do you know, Mr. Wheeler has single-handedly given the world free energy, and all it took was redefining every single known definition for long-known scientific phenomena, and reordering every single molecule in the universe.  ;D

His contention is brought about because Mr. Wheeler denies the existence of negative charges and thus electrons, backing him into a nonsensical view of how atoms work to produce magnetism, a view that is diametrically opposed to reality. Of course, his denial of charged particles (on both the "charge" and the "particle" terms) necessitates that he also denies the existence of protons... so he's now arguing against himself, while tacitly admitting he believes the universe to be nothing but fields and neutrons.  ::)

In addition, it appears as though he's redefined "precession" to mean "rotation":
http://overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/msg413105/#msg413105 (http://overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/msg413105/#msg413105)
TinselKoala posted a video:
https://youtu.be/7SeVWSO_wpg (https://youtu.be/7SeVWSO_wpg)
showing off-center torque brought about by a magnet attracted to a ferromagnetic piece through a convex lens... having nothing to do with magnetism except for magnetism providing the clamping force which kept the contact point of the magnet off-center and thus allowed it to spin, much as is shown here:
https://youtu.be/ZZEFTEEHOPU (https://youtu.be/ZZEFTEEHOPU)
although they incorrectly attribute the effect to magnetic vortex... just as Mr. Wheeler does here:
http://overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/msg413107/#msg413107 (http://overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/msg413107/#msg413107)
He even made two videos "explaining" that very simple phenomenon incorrectly... then went on to say:
http://overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/msg413113/#msg413113 (http://overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/msg413113/#msg413113)
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that is STILL precession however.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/precession (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/precession)
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Mechanics. the motion of the rotation axis of a rigid body, as a spinning top, when a disturbing torque is applied while the body is rotating such that the rotation axis describes a cone, with the vertical through the vertex of the body as axis of the cone, and the motion of the rotating body is perpendicular to the direction of the torque.

There is no precession occurring in TinselKoala's video.

So Mr. Wheeler seems to be confused about quite a lot.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: CycleGuy on December 09, 2015, 09:41:07 PM
I posted quote 1 some time ago, and MOST 'speculation' here (and elsewhere) was that people assumed Tesla was talking about his AC motor / invention rather than the discovery of reciprocating / rotating force/magnetic field divergences and convergences.


Quote number #2 as found in another location entirely,.........by any reckoning seems to dispel the notion that Tesla placed or MEANT to imply his huge pride was invested in his AC MOTOR invention/ discovery RATHER THAN the discovery of reciprocating magnetic field divergences-convergences.


AS SUCH Tesla's greatest pride (if you will) seems to stem from his grasp of the fundamental nature of magnetism itself RATHER THAN his AC motor invention which harvested this force and power.




QUOTE 1
Nikola Tesla November 1928 interview:

Toward the end of the interview, we asked Tesla which arena of science most appealed to him. While we expected him to mention radios and airplanes, the world wireless system, It was not the induction motor; instead it was the discovery of the principle that preceded the induction motor, the “rotating magnetic field”. Tesla answered: “rotating magnetic fields were dear to my heart. When I made the discovery of the rotating magnetic field, I was a very young man. The revelation came after years of concentrated thought and it was my first great thrill. It was not only a valuable discovery capable of extensive practical applications. It was a REVELATION OF NEW FORCES AND NEW PHENOMENA unknown to science before”.
“No”, Dr. Tesla said with some feelings, “I would not give my rotating magnetic field discovery for a thousand inventions, however valuable, designed merely as mechanical contraptions to deceive the eye and ear!”
Then saying: “A thousand years hence, the telephone and the motion picture camera may be obsolete, but the principle of the rotating magnetic field will remain a vital, living thing for all time to come.” - Nikola Tesla
Article: “A Famous Prophet of Science Looks into the Future” (Popular Science Monthly)



QUOTE 2 (parenthesis mine)


“No amount of praise is too much to bestow upon Edison for his (lamp / bulb), but all he did was wrought (‘work’) in known and passing forms. What I contributed constitutes a new and lasting edition to human knowledge. Like his lamp, my induction motor may be discarded and forgotten in the continuous evolution of the (electric motor?) arts, but my rotating field with its marvelous phenomena and manifestations of force (from magnetism) will last as long as science itself” - Nikola Tesla
New York World Nov. 29, 1929, p. 10 col. 4-5. To the Editor of the World





If you dont understand what Tesla is SAYING in quote 2, then I would say you were a goddamn idiot.


POINT BEING, Teslas pride is NOT HIS AC MOTOR, but the discovery of rotating (reciprocating) magnetic 'fields' (divergence)


~~~~~~

In another ilk, I love this one I found.

“Seldom if ever has an original ideal of consequence been born in an elaborate laboratory. The egg of science is laid in the nest of solitude. True, it maybe later be incubated, hatched and nursed in a million dollar laboratory. No big laboratory is needed in which to think. Originality thrives in seclusion free of outside influences beating upon us to cripple the creative mind. Be alone! This is the secret of invention; be alone, that is where ideas are borne.” – Nikola Tesla

Are you now contending that Mr. Tesla was stating that he'd discovered a rotating vortexual magnetic field at the pole face of a magnet? Care to cite his work in that regard? Your failure to do so will stand as your tacit admission that you know you're wrong in this regard.

Strange, then, Mr. Wheeler, that Tesla's reference to his rotating magnetic fields is embodied in his patent for an AC induction motor, isn't it? Stranger still that a rotating magnetic field is the means by which an AC induction motor works, as well... and Tesla speaking of his AC induction motor in relation to his rotating magnetic fields, stating that while the AC induction motor may be obsolesced at some future date, the underlying concept of its operation could never be.

Tesla was credited with conceiving of the AC induction motor a full three years before Ferraris... so methinks you're wrong. Likely a result of your yet again glomming onto whatever information you think supports your hobby theory and twisting it tortuously so it fits into your strange little world.... a patchwork of bastardized adopted, co-opted and thieved theories held together with flopsweat and flecks of spittle as you scream at the top of your lungs in your one-man echo chamber.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/RMFpatent.PNG/320px-RMFpatent.PNG
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: CycleGuy on December 09, 2015, 10:02:53 PM

the simplex nature of magnetic divergence against the HIGHEST order of LOWEST MAGNETIC PERMEABILITY (= diamagnetic) .........eludes you.

All force (energy) is the loss of inertia.       There is no energy without the loss of inertia.


Force without loss of inertia ( free energy, overunity).......does not exist.


You've compounded conceptual error upon conceptual error in building your hobby theory, Mr. Wheeler. In fact, you've compounded the conceptual errors of Circlon Theory's "neutron as proton and electron 'egg'" sans the electron with your compounded conceptual errors... and as you go, it becomes more and more apparent that you are thoroughly confused.

From your book:
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An atomic explosion, of which all matter is still present and not converted (contrary to Einstein and wholly backed by Tesla) there is a loss of inter-atomic inertia. The uranium, plutonium, or tritium are still within the mushroom cloud. All of the original components needed to reconstruct the transformed atoms to their initial nuclear states are speeding away in all directions and could, in principle, be reassembled back into the original nuclei.

From Circlon Theory:
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It is believed that when an atomic bomb explodes, matter is transformed into enormous amounts of energy. This is not true. After the explosion, all of the original matter still exists. All of the protons, electrons, and neutrons making up the uranium, plutonium, or tritium are still within the mushroom cloud.

From your book:
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"Contrary to empirical phenomena and objects which are in motion and are denoted to have ‘inertia’ and likewise its opposite being ‘rest’"

Wow... where to start with this one... objects in motion are denoted to have 'inertia'... but then, so are objects at rest. What an object at rest does not have is momentum, which is a means of measuring that object's motion.

The opposite of "rest" is not "inertia", as an object has inertia whether it is at rest or it is moving (inertia being defined as the tendency to resist changes in an object's state of motion, even if that 'state of motion' is the state of being at rest)... the opposite of "rest" is "motion", quantified via "momentum"... one would think this would be obvious.

Inertia doesn't really have an inverse, it's not a transferable property... when you push on an object, you don't impart any inertia to it nor receive any inertia from it. The only time an object's inertia changes is when the mass of that object changes, for massive objects.

For massless entities, given that energy and momentum are proportional under the General Relativity rule (laid out in equation form below), the only time a massless entity's inertia changes is when the frequency of that entity changes or the direction of that entity changes... the energy-momentum equivalency for massless entities is the reason black holes were predicted to exist before we actually empirically observed any, why gravity can bend light (gravitational lensing), and why light under the influence of gravity changes frequency (blue-shifts as it goes down the slope of a gravity well, red-shifts at it climbs out of that gravity well).

You'll note that the expansion of the universe amounts to the "smoothing out" of the space-time fabric... imagine it as a series of wrinkles in a fabric over which a photon is traveling... as a photon travels down a gravitational well, it gains energy and blue-shifts... during the time it's in that gravity well, the universe has expanded and that gravity well has been "smoothed out" a bit, thus the climb back out of that gravity well isn't as steep as was the entry, so the photon loses less energy climbing back out of the gravity well than it received going in and thus red-shifts less than it blue-shifted. This occurs also for the gravitational "hills" in the wrinkled fabric of space, in the opposite manner... it takes more energy getting up the hill than the photon receives coming back down it... this contributes to the anisotropy of the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB) radiation, causing the CMB to appear uneven. It's known as the Sachs-Wolfe Effect.

Einstein laid out the mass-energy equivalency concept via E=mc2, but that's incomplete. It doesn't take into account massless entities. It's only valid for massive objects. In 1905 Einstein derived an equation that works in all situations:
E2=P2c2+m2c4.

He also figured out that the energy of a photon isn't governed by its mass or its velocity (like matter), but instead is governed entirely by f, it’s frequency: E=hf, where h is Planck’s constant.

For light, m=0, so E=Pc (energy and momentum are proportional). Notice that massless entities can never have zero momentum, since something with zero mass and zero energy isn't something, it’s nothing. This is just another way of saying that light can never be stationary. It's also a way of saying that everything (massive or massless) has frequency.

In the case of an object with mass m, that isn’t moving (P=0), you then get E=mc2.

Given that Mr. Wheeler states that there is no mass-energy equivalency in his book by comparing an atomic explosion to the unwinding of clock springs, Mr. Wheeler probably also denies that when TNT explodes, there is a quantifiable loss of mass converted to energy (other than the energy released via the chemical reaction), to the tune of approximately 0.47e-10 kg per original kg of TNT, which is able to be stated thusly:

"In all interactions, there is a loss of mass, equal to 1/c2 times the amount of energy released."

Note that the statement above says all interactions... we were able to figure out the mass-energy equivalency via nuclear reactions first, because they yield the highest change in mass per interaction, but the same holds true for any process which releases energy. It's just that for non-nuclear interactions, the mass-energy equivalency is so low as to be practically immeasurable.

In Mr. Wheeler's universe, radiation (energy sans matter) could not exist... as this is the byproduct of nuclear reaction... but then, I'm guessing neither Mr. Wheeler nor the proponents of Circlon Theory have stopped to ponder just what radiation really is.

Nor did they stop to consider that even a chemical explosion results in an EMP... a "blast" of energy in the form of magnetic flux. It's how flux compression generator bombs (FCGs) work, a technology that's been known since the 1950s. If no mass is converted to energy, where did the EMP come from, given that according to Wheeler and Circlon Theory, all the matter remains intact? Remember, it's a chemical explosion, there are no nuclear changes in binding energy, thereby removing nuclear binding energy as a potential source of the EMP.

According to Mr. Wheeler, since in his universe there is no mass-energy equivalency, there can therefore be no unstable elements that transmute (fission) in attempting to reach their lowest energy state (said unstably high energy states forced upon those elements by the highly energetic conditions of an exploding supernova transmuting those elements from iron by adding energy to them that was converted to mass via nuclear reaction)... therefore there can be no transmutation, no fission, no fusion, the Periodic Table must be a fantasy land of made-up elements, particle accelerators must be a big lie, nuclear reactors must be powered by pixie dust, and Soddy and Rutherford were just hallucinating.  ::)

The above absolutely refutes your "All force (energy) is the loss of inertia. There is no energy without the loss of inertia." contention, Mr. Wheeler. Do keep in mind you'll not be contesting my words, you're contesting reality. Thus, my qualifications and experience matter little. What matters is that you and your hobby theory are diametrically opposed to reality, your hobby theory's tenets can be proven to result in a universe that could not exist, and thus, the onus is upon you to provide proof of your contentions... and proof does not consist of your profanity, referring to your own fallacious reasoning, or ticking off your "accomplishments" in a desperate attempt at appealing to authority, while attempting to set yourself up as that authority... you are not. You are merely a guy with a hobby theory that stands in stark contrast to reality, clownishly proving that you don't have the chops to back your theory up.

Now, Mr. Wheeler, before you begin your usual foot-stomping displays of vitriol, I suggest you address the numerous concerns as regards your testing protocols, and come clean as to the conditions of your demonstration, as well as listening to those who have superior knowledge in areas you so obviously are found wanting... and they are numerous.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: CycleGuy on December 09, 2015, 11:53:54 PM
"peak flux" meaningless BS,  there is a non contact INDUCED CHARGE DUMPED thru the formed magnet-TO-be.

There is an ENORMOUS qualitative difference between PM made by an electromagnet and and one created from another magnet
You LYING FUCK,.........

while BOTH can achieve the same GAUSS rating, one is VERY VERY easy to reverse polarity on afterwards AND lose its gauss rating  (the one created with a PM),...... the other, NOT.

Polarized surface gauss readings DO NOT READ or REGISTER, or GIVE INFORMATION as to the inherent increased (or lack thereof) capacitance of the MAGNET BEING MEASURED IN GAUSS

idiot

In fact, it is, non contact induction is DUMPED directly into the Pre-magnet

"DIRECTLY" has no bearing on CONTACT or NON CONTACT

Or stick your fucking head in a MICROWAVE and tell us how NON CONTACT feels.

Wireless power transfer is still in your "no fucking clue" part of your brain.

{emphasis above mine}

Picowatt just explained how inductance wasn't the effect used in magnetizing a pre-magnet, Mr. Wheeler. Perhaps you were unable to understand reality because you've so altered your hobby theory's tenets to be at right angles to reality that reality cannot be understood from within its confines. That speaks volumes to how flawed your hobby theory is.

Further, you demonstrate above that you really have no concept of how magnets work... once magnetized beyond saturation, no matter the manner used, magnets of the same material will experience the same intrinsic magnetic hardness, or resistance to demagnetization... in other words, the magnetic domains care not how they are magnetized. A magnet made using electrical current through magnetizing coils will have just as much intrinsic magnetic hardness as a magnet made from a permanent magnet assuming both magnets were subjected to the saturation conditions in which a similar number of magnetic domains were able to be aligned.

Have you forgotten what you were taught right here on this forum about the Barkhausen Effect and its underlying cause? Have you never looked at a magnetic hysteresis diagram, Mr. Wheeler? Do you not understand its implications in creating a magnet?

And you hold yourself out as some sort of prophet of magnets, when you lack even this most basic, grade school knowledge? Really, Mr. Wheeler.

You may now resume your foot-stomping tirade in lieu of providing any actual proof to back up the tenets of your hobby theory, Mr. Wheeler. Just know that you're fooling no one. I'd ask why you bother, but that appears to be answered by the fact that you've backed yourself into a corner with your silly little hobby theory, and your far-too-overblown ego won't let you admit you're wrong.
Title: Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
Post by: CycleGuy on December 11, 2015, 05:05:19 AM
You've compounded conceptual error upon conceptual error in building your hobby theory, Mr. Wheeler. In fact, you've compounded the conceptual errors of Circlon Theory's "neutron as proton and electron 'egg'" sans the electron with your compounded conceptual errors... and as you go, it becomes more and more apparent that you are thoroughly confused.

From your book:
From Circlon Theory:
From your book:
Wow... where to start with this one... objects in motion are denoted to have 'inertia'... but then, so are objects at rest. What an object at rest does not have is momentum, which is a means of measuring that object's motion.

The opposite of "rest" is not "inertia", as an object has inertia whether it is at rest or it is moving (inertia being defined as the tendency to resist changes in an object's state of motion, even if that 'state of motion' is the state of being at rest)... the opposite of "rest" is "motion", quantified via "momentum"... one would think this would be obvious.

Inertia doesn't really have an inverse, it's not a transferable property... when you push on an object, you don't impart any inertia to it nor receive any inertia from it. The only time an object's inertia changes is when the mass of that object changes, for massive objects.

For massless entities, given that energy and momentum are proportional under the General Relativity rule (laid out in equation form below), the only time a massless entity's inertia changes is when the frequency of that entity changes or the direction of that entity changes... the energy-momentum equivalency for massless entities is the reason black holes were predicted to exist before we actually empirically observed any, why gravity can bend light (gravitational lensing), and why light under the influence of gravity changes frequency (blue-shifts as it goes down the slope of a gravity well, red-shifts at it climbs out of that gravity well).

You'll note that the expansion of the universe amounts to the "smoothing out" of the space-time fabric... imagine it as a series of wrinkles in a fabric over which a photon is traveling... as a photon travels down a gravitational well, it gains energy and blue-shifts... during the time it's in that gravity well, the universe has expanded and that gravity well has been "smoothed out" a bit, thus the climb back out of that gravity well isn't as steep as was the entry, so the photon loses less energy climbing back out of the gravity well than it received going in and thus red-shifts less than it blue-shifted. This occurs also for the gravitational "hills" in the wrinkled fabric of space, in the opposite manner... it takes more energy getting up the hill than the photon receives coming back down it... this contributes to the anisotropy of the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB) radiation, causing the CMB to appear uneven. It's known as the Sachs-Wolfe Effect.

Einstein laid out the mass-energy equivalency concept via E=mc2, but that's incomplete. It doesn't take into account massless entities. It's only valid for massive objects. In 1905 Einstein derived an equation that works in all situations:
E2=P2c2+m2c4.

He also figured out that the energy of a photon isn't governed by its mass or its velocity (like matter), but instead is governed entirely by f, it’s frequency: E=hf, where h is Planck’s constant.

For light, m=0, so E=Pc (energy and momentum are proportional). Notice that massless entities can never have zero momentum, since something with zero mass and zero energy isn't something, it’s nothing. This is just another way of saying that light can never be stationary. It's also a way of saying that everything (massive or massless) has frequency.

In the case of an object with mass m, that isn’t moving (P=0), you then get E=mc2.

Given that Mr. Wheeler states that there is no mass-energy equivalency in his book by comparing an atomic explosion to the unwinding of clock springs, Mr. Wheeler probably also denies that when TNT explodes, there is a quantifiable loss of mass converted to energy (other than the energy released via the chemical reaction), to the tune of approximately 0.47e-10 kg per original kg of TNT, which is able to be stated thusly:

"In all interactions, there is a loss of mass, equal to 1/c2 times the amount of energy released."

Note that the statement above says all interactions... we were able to figure out the mass-energy equivalency via nuclear reactions first, because they yield the highest change in mass per interaction, but the same holds true for any process which releases energy. It's just that for non-nuclear interactions, the mass-energy equivalency is so low as to be practically immeasurable.

In Mr. Wheeler's universe, radiation (energy sans matter) could not exist... as this is the byproduct of nuclear reaction... but then, I'm guessing neither Mr. Wheeler nor the proponents of Circlon Theory have stopped to ponder just what radiation really is.

Nor did they stop to consider that even a chemical explosion results in an EMP... a "blast" of energy in the form of magnetic flux. It's how flux compression generator bombs (FCGs) work, a technology that's been known since the 1950s. If no mass is converted to energy, where did the EMP come from, given that according to Wheeler and Circlon Theory, all the matter remains intact? Remember, it's a chemical explosion, there are no nuclear changes in binding energy, thereby removing nuclear binding energy as a potential source of the EMP.

According to Mr. Wheeler, since in his universe there is no mass-energy equivalency, there can therefore be no unstable elements that transmute (fission) in attempting to reach their lowest energy state (said unstably high energy states forced upon those elements by the highly energetic conditions of an exploding supernova transmuting those elements from iron by adding energy to them that was converted to mass via nuclear reaction)... therefore there can be no transmutation, no fission, no fusion, the Periodic Table must be a fantasy land of made-up elements, particle accelerators must be a big lie, nuclear reactors must be powered by pixie dust, and Soddy and Rutherford were just hallucinating.  ::)

The above absolutely refutes your "All force (energy) is the loss of inertia. There is no energy without the loss of inertia." contention, Mr. Wheeler. Do keep in mind you'll not be contesting my words, you're contesting reality. Thus, my qualifications and experience matter little. What matters is that you and your hobby theory are diametrically opposed to reality, your hobby theory's tenets can be proven to result in a universe that could not exist, and thus, the onus is upon you to provide proof of your contentions... and proof does not consist of your profanity, referring to your own fallacious reasoning, or ticking off your "accomplishments" in a desperate attempt at appealing to authority, while attempting to set yourself up as that authority... you are not. You are merely a guy with a hobby theory that stands in stark contrast to reality, clownishly proving that you don't have the chops to back your theory up.

Now, Mr. Wheeler, before you begin your usual foot-stomping displays of vitriol, I suggest you address the numerous concerns as regards your testing protocols, and come clean as to the conditions of your demonstration, as well as listening to those who have superior knowledge in areas you so obviously are found wanting... and they are numerous.

I believe I've uncovered the source of Mr. Wheeler's confusion as regards inertia vs. momentum. It comes about from a misreading of:
http://kathodos.com/ether.pdf
The Ether And Its Vortices
By Carl Frederick Krafft
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An ether which is capable of moving would necessarily have inertia because inertia, although usually referred to as a property of matter, is primarily a property of motion. Inertia means nothing more than continuity of motion, and all motion necessarily has continuity as long as the motion continues. If the motion is rotation or movement in a closed circuit as in the case of vortex motion, then the inertia will be localized, and localized inertia is is just another name for momentum.

He's talking about the moment of inertia. The amount of torque needed for any given rate of change in angular momentum is proportional to the moment of inertia. Note that I wrote "proportional to", not "synonymous with". Krafft confused angular momentum and moment of inertia way back in 1955, and we finally get to rectify that misconception 60 years later, much to Mr. Wheelers chagrin.