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Author Topic: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy  (Read 55273 times)

Offline tinman

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #60 on: December 26, 2014, 02:24:13 PM »
It's all good guy's,i really dont mind,as it's not that much to buy--and i already ordered it lol.

Chet-i have all i need to do accurate temp measurement's. I have digital thermometers,i have analog termometer's,i have analog bimetal dial thermometer's,i have resistance temp detector's,i have an infrared temp gun-->and i got water as well as lot's of insulation of all type's. What more do i need?--> oh yea,time lol.

This is just to simple,and to easy not to try. And what if it actually work's-then what? Would this confirm magnetic spin?--> wouldnt that be a hoot.
Now,can a stirling engine run on a 10 deg C temp difference?

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #61 on: December 26, 2014, 02:35:18 PM »
You emit more clueless strawman rantings and gobbledegook, Kenny baby. The passage that you quote from me is a simple restatement of what profitis said in his post.
Quote frm tinselkoala:'o you think a lens is overunity? You think temperature is energy?'

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Absolutely.kelvinsstatement expressly forbids spontaneous concentration of heat under even distribution conditions
(emphasis mine)

And now he seems to be attempting to change or deny what he said there:
Quote frm tinselkoala:' So everybody with a camera, everybody with a magnifying glass that concentrates the sun's light to burn a bit of paper, is using an overunity device'

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Incorrect.you need a concentrated heat source to burn paper with a lense.you don't need a concentrated heat source to raise paper above ambient temperature using mirrors.mirrors can and do violate the 2nd law thermodynamics

You are both getting all tangled up.

And what I "deny", Strawman Kenny baby, is that your demonstration is an experiment. It is not. You cannot conclude what you have concluded, rationally, from what you have presented, because you have not RULED OUT other possible explanations for your measurements. And another page goes by with your attempts to bury your lack of controls, and your personal lack of self-control, behind post after post of silly gobbledegook, when you could easily post the results of your control tests. Put the bismuth sphere and magnet in a thermally insulated container and use a thermocouple to show an actual and continuing climb in the temperature within the container. You can afford a thermocouple, can't you? But you will never do true experiments that have the potential to falsify your hypotheses, like a real and honest scientist would do, gladly, in cooperation with his critics, because your fragile ego cannot stand even the thought of being proved wrong. You have far too much invested in your claims and your "theory", which barely rises to the level of conjecture, to risk being shot down.





clueless confusion of CONNOTATION with DENOTATION.


harvesting FREE energy (from the sun OR A MAGNETIC DIVERGENCE FIELD)   is just that, FREE ENERGY, with ZERO MOVING PARTS, and only ONE PART


ONE PART = LENS (as per the sun)........... or a BISMUTH SPHERE  (as per the magnet)


ZERO INPUT FORCE VECTOR CONCENTRATION from the LOSS OF INERTIA (= force and motion),........be it light from the sun, or magnetic divergence.




and by ZERO INPUT, we mean "using / harvesting" what is ALWAYS PRESENT, ALWAYS FREE, and it need only be CONCENTRATED from its SPATIAL RAREFACTION





overunity no,  ENDLESS ZERO INPUT WORK FREE ENERGY HARVESTING, YES




The human race doesnt give a tinkers DAMN if its OVERUNITY or FREE ENERGY ,.....as long as its energy.  ;D




Now, you have to ask yourself the HYPOTHETICAL (since you deny my "experiment", which I dont give a damn if you do or not)......>>>>......is HARVESTING MAGNETIC COMPRESSION AND RAREFACTION FREE ENERGY, OR OVERUNITY





True "overunity" doesnt exist
, because one cannot HARVEST the loss of inertia without FORCING the inertia to be LOST to begin with, which requires WORK

period




ALL LOSS OF INERTIA IS THE ONLY PLACE ANY ENERGY CAN COME FROM, ........EITHER "overunity"  OR "FREE energy"

PERIOD, NOT UP FOR DEBATE, CARVED IN STONE FOR ALL TIME AND FOREVER


now, wrap your brain around THAT FACT.

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #62 on: December 26, 2014, 02:39:57 PM »
@tinman point your gun direct at the entrance of a thermos flask and report to us what you see

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #63 on: December 26, 2014, 02:45:31 PM »
@tinman point your gun direct at the entrance of a thermos flask and report to us what you see
Will go do it right now. BBS

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #64 on: December 26, 2014, 02:46:02 PM »
Quote frm tinselkoala:'You are both getting all tangled up'
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Incorrect.mirrors can and do violate the laws of thermodynamics

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #65 on: December 26, 2014, 02:47:16 PM »
It's all good guy's,i really dont mind,as it's not that much to buy--and i already ordered it lol.

Chet-i have all i need to do accurate temp measurement's. I have digital thermometers,i have analog termometer's,i have analog bimetal dial thermometer's,i have resistance temp detector's,i have an infrared temp gun-->and i got water as well as lot's of insulation of all type's. What more do i need?--> oh yea,time lol.

This is just to simple,and to easy not to try. And what if it actually work's-then what? Would this confirm magnetic spin?--> wouldnt that be a hoot.
Now,can a stirling engine run on a 10 deg C temp difference?
Yes, of course an LTD Stirling can run on 10 degrees C difference, even much smaller. And it would be trivial for the claimant to purchase such an engine from a commercial source (since he probably can't build one himself) and show it running on the temperature difference between the bismuth sphere and the ambient. You'd do it, as would anyone else trying to provide support for the claim... if it were only true.

Here's one that will run on 2 degrees C differential, according to the maker:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdX7hwjhgA4
And here's one that I made myself, all parts except the bearings, filled with helium and running on a cup of warm water:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYovJzmCLdw
This one will even run backwards, sitting on a bowl of snow.

But the claim isn't of 10 degrees C excess heat, is it? Wasn't it 10 degrees F? Still well within the range of a carefully built LTD of the design shown in the first video above.

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #66 on: December 26, 2014, 02:48:18 PM »
@tinman.compare the throat of the flask with next to flask

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #67 on: December 26, 2014, 02:52:17 PM »
Quote frm tinselkoala:'You are both getting all tangled up'
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Incorrect.mirrors can and do violate the laws of thermodynamics

You are such a comic! I am laughing all over the floor! You can provide no evidence for your assertion. Please explain just how mirrors can and do "violate the laws of thermodynamics" and explain why nobody has ever noticed this before!

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #68 on: December 26, 2014, 02:57:31 PM »
@tinman point your gun direct at the entrance of a thermos flask and report to us what you see

Why don't you state your formal hypothesis and what the results will indicate to you?  What will an observed temperature difference, using an IR thermometer, indicate? Can you use this observed meter reading, should it be greater than ambient,  to run an engine? To perform _any_ useful work? If not, what does that tell you about the relationship between temperature readings obtained in this manner, and actual energy content?

Can you explain why the temperature of water, put in even the best thermos flask and sealed up, will always drop instead of rising?Or perhaps you think you have invented the self-heating thermos. This explanation is one I have absolutely got to read. Why does the coffee cool off, if mirrors violate 2LoT?

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #69 on: December 26, 2014, 03:00:33 PM »
@tinman point your gun direct at the entrance of a thermos flask and report to us what you see
OK,tried my S/S thermos and glass thermos.
Ambiant temp on wall thermometer--37.2*c
Work bench top temp--36.6*c
S/S thermos after left open for 5 minute's--35.8*c
Glass thermos after left open for 5 minutes-could not get a reading,gun kept ranging.

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #70 on: December 26, 2014, 03:06:45 PM »
Quote frm tinselkoala:'ou are such a comic! I am laughing all over the floor! You can provide no evidence for your assertion. Please explain just how mirrors can and do "violate the laws of thermodynamics" and explain why nobody has ever noticed this before.'
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A few have noticed this before.disperse heatrays are partially focused onto a point of concentration.

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #71 on: December 26, 2014, 03:17:10 PM »
Try filling the flask with water @tinman and wait enough time for equilibration of temperature.that gun must point direct down the throat at near range

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #72 on: December 26, 2014, 03:25:15 PM »
Quote frm tk:'Why does the coffee cool off, if mirrors violate 2LoT?'
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Hot Coffie will cool off and settle slightly above ambient

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #73 on: December 26, 2014, 03:56:49 PM »
You can provide no evidence for your assertion.


he is certain that all experiments are invalid.......


yet his flapping lips and rusted iron (twisted) mind IS VALID.




What you and others fail to point out about his "type"
is he has quantified his flapping lips as perpetually SUPERIOR to any empirical experimentation.



hence,....my laughter.  ;D

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #74 on: December 26, 2014, 04:39:16 PM »
Try filling the flask with water @tinman and wait enough time for equilibration of temperature.that gun must point direct down the throat at near range

OK,here is what i did.
Filled one drinking glass full of tap water-19.2*C
Filled S/S thermos with same tap water-19.2*C
Added green food dye to both glass and thermos of water,as temp gun dosnt like reading clear water temp to well.
Waited 45 minutes.
Ambiant temp 35.8*C
Water in glass now 26.4*C
Water in thermos now 21.6*C

Will remeasure in the morning,and see how things look.

 

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