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Actually, what I was trying to ask is, do you think any of these waveform would make a difference if this was a generator output and if so,  why?

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Hi Luc,

Regarding your question: I assume you are curious whether such kind of setup may make a low drag or a low Lenz kind of generator?
Well the short answer is that I do not know for sure. A bit longer response, though it still will not give a definite answer, would be this: 
Lets find out what happens when your coil is loaded? My guess is that it might be a low Lenz setup because the counter flux from the load current seems to make the coil core less 'attractable' by the magnet flux than in the unloaded case.

When your coil is not loaded the U shape core needs a certain input power to keep it in motion, the drag against the motion is the attract force the magnets flux causes by "jumping" back and force between the coil core and the moving core. OF course this drag or rather a mechanical cogging can be minimized by clever mechanical setup.

When your coil is loaded the counter flux by the load current should work against the magnets flux, reducing the attract force by the magnets flux I think.  This may unbalance the earlier mechanical balance (of the unloaded case) in the cogging issue and may reduce a little the input power to the prime mover (this latter sounds good). Again, this effect may be compensated too but the phenomena may introduce load dependence.
The limits of flux density in the cores are to be considered, including the load current, to avoid or at least reduce core saturation.
All in all, my guess is this generator setup may have a low Lenz effect, and whether this is already enough for a COP>1 performance can only be answered by trial and error, unfortunately.
If I still have not answered your question, then please ask for the third time too but please rephrase it a little. 

Regarding your repositioning the magnets test: waveforms are widened, but the basic waveforms stay, whether the average power in the previous and in this latest waveforms is similar or not: by the look of the curves the areas covered look more or less similar to me. How a waveform wider in time duration may influence or not influence for instance Lenz law behaviour: common sense says Lenz law follows suit...   but again this is to be tested.

Gyula

So I was messing about with one of those "shaded pole" motors that I got from a microwave oven fan. Thinking about what Gerard morin was doing with his little pump generator I replace the steel rotor with a 1" axial  neo cylinder and I spun it up. I got 110v or so before the axle slipped.
My question is why could this not simply be reversed for the gen we are working on in this thread? Why individual steel rotors and not just a single round one that spins in a n/s field.

Hi folks,

this might be of interest here:

http://www.resonantfractals.org/Magnetism/SpinningCylinder.htm

regards

Kator01

Hi Gyula,

you answered my question well, thank you.

Below are some new Scope Shots. First open coil, then 100, 50, 25 and 12.5 Ohms loads with Power calculation included included

Luc

Okay, and thanks for showing the new tests.  Unfortunately, the supposedly high DC resistance of the ex shaded pole motor coil works against the generated juice and this may also shadow part of the Lenz effect by not letting high enough current to flow through the loads. 
Maybe your hand is able to sense drag (if any) in the spaced away magnets setup too so that you coud compare results to the closer spaced magnets case.

Gyula

Okay, and thanks for showing the new tests.  Unfortunately, the supposedly high DC resistance of the ex shaded pole motor coil works against the generated juice and this may also shadow part of the Lenz effect by not letting high enough current to flow through the loads. 
Maybe your hand is able to sense drag (if any) in the spaced away magnets setup too so that you coud compare results to the closer spaced magnets case.

Gyula

Unfortunately my hands cannot sense the difference between loaded and open coil. A motor powered rotary version would need to be built to detect such a change.
Before putting more time and resources in this I would need to see some kind of encouraging evidence that this design actually makes a difference.
Best thing I have seen so far is Farmhand's post on this topic but at the OUR forum which has nothing to do with this effect and everything to do with my friend Thane Heins ReGen-X effect.

Luc

Unfortunately my hands cannot sense the difference between loaded and open coil. A motor powered rotary version would need to be built to detect such a change.
Before putting more time and resources in this I would need to see some kind of encouraging evidence that this design actually makes a difference.
Best thing I have seen so far is Farmhand's post on this topic but at the OUR forum which has nothing to do with this effect and everything to do with my friend Thane Heins ReGen-X effect.

Luc

I understand, thanks.  Just one suggestion, if you happen to have another coil with thicker wire and with an ID that can give room for a ferromagnetic core size like one of your  magnet stacks or so, than Lenz effect (if any) may be sensed with hands?  I am not saying it can be sensed for sure in that case but chances get better and you still do not have to put in more resources. Somehow it is to be tested to dismiss it or develop further on.

Gyula

Here is the update,

Title says it all...Looking good & poor performance...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbQvFmzti68&list=LLNk6nZuUrTLRnp__hAgAqjw&index=1

At jimboot,
To reduce the cogging effect you can go with two ring magnets, it will have very little of it...just like Russ did...
Only issue i had when i tested that was little output but my input was also very low due to almost no cogging effect and if you get ypur coils right you mzy even see speed under load...
I'll be testing that two once the PMBO is over...

Interesting work mate. I think I've nearly got the cogging issue sorted. I know my motor is drawing too much atm too but it's more interesting to see what it does when a load is applied. I was going to do the PMBO again... but you know, I've already won so.. BTW I'm suprised your username was free 

Some Update

I wound two of the 6  output coils with 18 gauge wire for my generator and did some quick  tests. Not sure what to make of the results so maybe I can get some opinions.

I powered 2 of the 6 field coils opposing the 2 output coils that were wound with a 12 volt dc battery charger and i drove the main dc motor with a pwm . Both the field coils power and the motor power were plugged into the same watt meter.

open circuit no load on output coils
RPM 3105
Watts in  575
open voltage out  6.90 dc  2 coils in series thru a bridge rectifier

loaded circuit with 10 k resistor shown below
RPM 3105 (no change)
Watts in 575  (no change)
voltage across resistor .445

shorted output coil
RPM 3105  (no change)
Watts in 575 (no change)

Vince