Hi Dynamic Vortex,

Thank's you paid attention to my message.

Who said that? Who believe this? If all unofficial inventors and scientist would have thought so, nothing would be discovered. Everything can be questioned, especially the bricks of a great theory!

The Newton gravity law has more then 300 years and you can say exactly the same thing as for Maxwell's electromagnetic theory. Just that both are valid and consistent with the current scientific paradigm. Just a way of expression of human will and to shape a specific reality from other infinite others! Specific premises, specific development, specific results! Replace "specific" with "wrong" and the sentence will become more real.

I would like to see an example of this, because I know that no one measured ever a magnetic field from a displacement current.

What's the difference between material an immaterial, when 99 x 10-14 in an atom is empty space? And going further, what is a charge if electron doesn't exists? At least not as a particle!

Many questions to which can not be answered following the current thinking paradigm. Or can be answered only in an evasive way!

SaDAng

Hi Sadang.

Lets start from beginning.
As I said before is a language issue. Right meanings are fundamental.
We do have working theories that are producing right results.
Yes Newton was right! He did not explained What gravity is. He described How it works in macroscopic phenomena.
Airplanes, rockets, satelites, etc, do work and are made with his equations. NASA uses his equations. So it is not wrong, it is practical.
Besides he invented calculus. One of the most important achievements ever made by a human being. His work benefits all humanity. So we must be humble. He was a genius.
And yes, the Displacement current was validated by experiment! What do you think? That Maxwell "invented" and put something is his theory when nobody was looking? He have to prove! Do some research and you will find.
Maxwell Electromagnetic theory waited for 30 years until the Electromagnetic wave was discovered by Hertz!
It is very arrogant to say now: these guys are mental midgets!
Every day some smart crank go to internet claiming a new revolucionary theory that explains everything! Everybody is wrong, he is right! So, he have to prove.
Start showing What is wrong and why. What is missing. Also be humble to ask: Am I wrong?
I can accept a new discovery, but I am waiting for the logical explanations.

No, there is a huge diference between interatomic and/or intermolecular space and empty space! Fields!

TheoriaApophasis claims a new discovery. I can accept that "a priori".
There are problems in his explanations.
Words like " reciprocation" and  incommensurability explains nothing!

There is no way that a contracting vortex becomes an expanding vortex or the contrary.
Where is the current that is associated with the contracting vortex?
Why this vortex spins at opposite direction?
These are logical questions demanding logical answers.

Regarded the Maxwell and his electromagnetic theory, show me or indicate a single experiment that proved the existence of displacement current! A practical experiment, not a theoretical one! I'm really curious to read and understand it, it's premises, results and conclusions!

Ken claims what he understand and how he understand things, you don't have to agree with him 100%. No body forces you to do that! But, as long as you paid attention to his theory, it means you already have some doubts about the bricks of the current scientific paradigm.

Hi Sadang.

One single experiment? OK this is one:http://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.55.59

I suggest google, even  wikipedia and reading Maxwell  "On Physical Lines of Force".

What people are not understanding is the impact of Ken's claims. If a single part, specially the 2 magnetic vortices is true, then it will be one of the most important discovery of this century.
 I take this very seriously accepting some of  his claims a priori, but I will not give up the necesary subsequent logical analysis.
The question involved with the 2 magnetic fields and the dielectric plane is related to Prof. Dr. Konstantin Meyl work and his new formulation of Maxwell's wave equation.
All these is related with Ether structure, specially Dr. Anatoly Rykov hypothesis.
So you can see that I am not kidding.

I started reading this forum from beginning.
MileHigh exposed a technical problem and he was violently attacked. Nobody listen.
He was right.

I did the analysis and found that the television experiment was wrong.
My observation was posted in YouTube at Video3 and video8 of Ken's videos.

Ken have 9 other different experiments.
At least one more I suspect is invalid too.
But his discovery was not invalidated as I said in the post.

The main difficult is the lack of mathematical treatment. Ken's language is hermetic.

It's not a blue or red pill choice. It's not take it or leave it.

We are here to help.

Hi Dynamic Vortex,

Sorry if you got the impression that I'm joking, but I stopped joking long time ago. Google even wikipedia you say? Take a look at the attachment!

Regarded the displacement current, that experiment is the second one, first being made in 1929 by Van Cauwenberghe. And both are wrong not only in their conclusions but in its set-up and mainly in is premises. Of course, my last claim means I don't agree with the entire electromagnetic theory, more than just as a theory to fit in a specific thinking paradigm, which allow human minds to shape a specific reality! A specific one from many other possible!

In my opinion the displacement current is only a virtual current, is an abstraction to fit in the math apparatus, its existence being crucial for validity of current known Maxwell equations, and in reality it being completely nonexistent. With its entire set of consequences! Read more here:
- http://overunity.com/14711/is-faradays-induction-law-correct/msg442756/

Now, I'm glad to see you don't just kidding. And my conclusion is you try to understand Ken's theory based on the bricks of the current thinking paradigm! Wrong premise! I did the same fault for many years, finally realizing that I was going in circles in a closed sphere, in a closed and circular thinking model. I've seen the same thinking pattern at many other who really try to understand more and deep. It is only another kind of dogma! A more elevated and sophisticated dogma, but still a dogma! This is the reason I ask people to learn by themselves and to start this endeavor with an open mind and from as deep as they can in history with the ancient cultures! And always by comparative research!

About Meyl and his scalar waves I studied a bit, but I've heard nothing about the ether of Anatoly Rykov. I'll do my work in the next days!

Hi Dynamic Vortex,

In my opinion the displacement current is only a virtual current, is an abstraction to fit in the math apparatus, its existence being crucial for validity of current known Maxwell equations, and in reality it being completely nonexistent. With its entire set of consequences! Read more here:
- http://overunity.com/14711/is-faradays-induction-law-correct/msg442756/

Regarding Maxwell´s displacement current, nowadays there is a lot of works pointing that the equations have a serious flaw. I point out specially the paper written by Danielle Funaro, that I consider the most rigorous mathematical proof.
"Charging Capacitors According to Maxwell´s Equations: Impossible" arXiv:1412.6005v1[physics.gen-ph] 2Nov 2014

When Maxwell wrote his theory, he did not make distinction between dielectric material or etheric. Hence, he didn't had to prove the displacement current specifically in vacuum. This was in consonance with the Ether concepts in his time.
I read an article explaining the technical difficulties to make this kind of experiment in 19 century.
So he did only a measure in a normal material dielectric and considered that the results were the same for the vacuum.

The dominant physical thinking at 19 century was that the electric current was made of material charged particles moving inside conductors.
This concept survived until today in textbooks for high school students. And it is useful because makes things easier to understand.
But today we know that it is not really true. There was not a massive flux of electrons traveling in the conductor.
Poynting vector shows that the energy is flowing from the surrounding medium (Ether, vacuum space, etc.) to the conductor (S=ExH).
If this is true then must remain valid even to continuous current (steady state).

Now we come to the problem.
Maxwell considered the displacement current only as a commence of a current, a transitory current.
In steady state there is no displacement current or charge flux in the surrounding space.
But, 50% of the energy is in the space fields, 50% is working on material and there is a continuous flux of energy going from the space to the material.
So what is expressing the mechanics of the energy flux in the space, fields?
In Maxwell equations the fields are directly connected to the material by the electric charges.
In material conductors Div E = charge density (electrons). Hence, the energy transport must being done by the material charges.
But in space Div E = 0, meaning that energy is self transporting! Nonsense!
No surprise that we come to the photons.

Here is my point: the Maxwell equations contains only 50% of causes and 100% of effects.

The fundamental equations  in Maxwell theory are:

D=cE

and

B= uH

To the equations make sense is need that Div E = material charge density (electrons) + something (implying space structure).
Div E needs to be different of zero in vacuum.
So total electric current = dD/dt + c (material current) will be always valid.

To exist a perfect simmetry also Div B needs to be different of zero.
This means Div B =  material magnetic charges (monopoles)+ something (implying space structure).
So total magnetic current = dB/dt + k, where k is a "real" magnetic current!

Fortunately magnetic monopoles were discovered in 2009 by Helmholtz Zentrum researchers in Berlin.
It is a start.

Professor Meyl points to another field symmetry necessity, a potential vector field!

The new and dual field Meyl´s aproach starts from 2 equations:

E = v X B             to the electric

and

H = -v X D           to the magnetic


Leading to the field equations:

rot E = -dB/dt - b

and

rot H = dD/dt + j

With divD and divB different of zero is possible to derivate a new wave equation, where the vortices have particle nature as a consequence of their structure forming property.

Hi Dynamic Vortex,

Sorry for this delayed answer, I'm out of town for a while, mostly being offline.

I'm not a specialist of Maxwell equations, and I don't like math more than is required to just materialize my thoughts.

However in a vacuum capacitor there is a magnetic field, exactly as a current was present.

Nobody measured ever a magnetic field between plates of a capacitor. So this is not true! dE/dt imply fluctuation of E over time, not mandatory the immediate existence of dB/dt. This is just Feynman's idea, which comply in the current electromagnetic paradigm. And the current electromagnetic paradigm excluded the ether and asymmetrical systems. The current scientific paradigm is a closed world, in which all parameters equalize and the resultant is always zero! Only in a this kind of world can exists dogmatic limits and abstract rules!

At some point I asked myself if we reached the Homo Sapiens thinking limit.

No we don't, because we are not Homo Sapiens at all! This is what others want we to be! The all limits are the only ones that we accept as limits! Who need limits, have and manifest his own limits. Who don't want limits is unstoppable. An example is Ken and his magnetic theory!

Reality don't exist independent of you! You are part of the reality and shape it second by second. And this is available for each conscious mind that manifest here. Just they are misleading to think for and according to others will, not to their own will. Like a zombie! That is very sad!

It's not wise to say: I don't "believe" in electrons!

It's not about belief, it's about knowledge! The electron doesn't exists as it is now understood. It is not a particle nor a wave, and more than that it is not part of the atom, as well as neither the atom has not the well known structure! Everything is a misinterpretation of observable phenomena, based on a specific way of thinking. I could say a geocentric or egocentric way of thinking!

The dominant physical thinking at 19 century was that the electric current was made of material charged particles moving inside conductors.
This concept survived until today in textbooks for high school students. And it is useful because makes things easier to understand.

No, it don't make things easier to understand, rather it shape a specific way of thinking. A convenient one, which took the thinking process far away from the truth of respective phenomena. I think Poynting vector is closer to the true core of phenomena but there is still away from their natural occurrence. As Tesla stated many years ago: "There is no energy in matter except that absorbed from the medium", we just need to understand that medium which is already manifest. 

In steady state there is no displacement current or charge flux in the surrounding space.

I'm not sure this is right! A Leiden jar carefully dissembled, don't present any charge on any of its component, only in its assembled form it can do a discharge. So, my conclusion is the entire charge is in the surrounding space, the cooper and glass dielectric creating the condition for that charge to manifest.

Fortunately magnetic monopoles were discovered in 2009 by Helmholtz Zentrum researchers in Berlin.
It is a start.

According to my knowledge magnetic monopoles were discovered in 1941 by Felix Ehrenhaft, but of course they were rejected mainly with the "help" of Einstein, the same "help" being granted also to Reich and his orgone energy.

Finally, I see you are interested in adjusting or correcting the Maxwell equations. A great courage which I admire! Just my quest transcend his work, or of Ampere, Faraday, Gauss and others. I want to really understand, not to lye myself I understand.

SaDAng

Capacitor = condenser.
Voltage = tension.

AC current "through" a capacitor is an illusion. Barring leakage, charge only moves between the plates and the external circuit. 

  A charge distribution on a charged capacitor plate won't have
an associated magnetic field, reason, the electron spins will
be randomly oriented.
                    J.

Hi J.

The current will be present in the wires, so there is a magnetic field.
Some experiments showed that the energy is on the dielectric, material or not.