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Title: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 13, 2014, 10:20:12 AM
Based upon nearly 20 years of research and finding a few of the last remaining missing pieces, ..
I uploaded the 110 PAGES  (with many original diagrams) to the website,

***I AM NOT SELLING ANYTHING, I retired at age 32, I only want to GIVE AWAY FREE information, I love wisdom and information and knowledge. I want NOTHING, I have no "angle" to giving out this information.  :)



2 sizes on the book, small and large  (one reduced in image optimization)

This is the 2nd edition,  3rd edition coming out NEXT MONTH


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www.kathodos.com/magnetismsmall.pdf (http://www.kathodos.com/magnetismsmall.pdf)   13.4 MB  PDF
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alternate download link:
https://archive.org/details/magnetism1small

Page 30 begins the description of magnetism.




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Uncovering the Missing Secrets of Magnetism

Exploring the nature of Magnetism, with regards to the true model of atomic geometry and field mechanics by means of rational physics & logic

[SIZE="5"][COLOR="Blue"]ISBN  0-9712541-8-4[/COLOR][/SIZE]

(http://kathodos.com/covermag.jpg)



FINAL PROOF of magnetic vortex:


You will REGRET not seeing the 1st time ever proof in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dilk8gcDxac

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwn3CqvRumg


I have been killing myself to finish the work, all the original diagrams, and digital validations, and experiments with pyrol. graphite, and my own special creation of ferrofluid, and checking and rechecking.

Owning every book ever published on earth on Magnetism and having 100% FREE time for the past 14 years, and having a lifetime devotion to uncovering magnetism, ....
I dont say casually that I am certain you will be stunned with the results / information.


Lux et Veritas

Author.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 14, 2014, 03:36:50 AM
Theoria,

I looked at your fist clip and the beginning of the second clip that you linked to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dilk8gcDxac

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwn3CqvRumg

All that your two clips do is confirm that the current theory for how magnetic fields work is correct.

So sorry, but your two clips show the "opposite" of what you are stating in your proposition.  Your clips with the magnet and the CRT TV confirm that there is no "magnetic vortex."

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 14, 2014, 03:40:44 AM
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So sorry, but your two clips show the "opposite" of what you are stating in your proposition.  Your clips with the magnet and the CRT TV confirm that there is no "magnetic vortex."


Im so sorry you have no idea what you are talking about.


I have a liquid suspension also showing vortex reciprocation, that does NOT use ferromagnetic material.


My two clips show EXACTLY what I am stating.  The fault lay at your own lack of comprehension, try reading the book and stop being a closed minded lemming.  ;)
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 14, 2014, 03:51:59 AM
Who says seeing a vortex pattern on a TV screen means that the magnetic field is a vortex?  That's your big fail right there.  What's going on in your clips is crystal clear to me.

You are just inventing an explanation to lead yourself down your own garden path.  Please stop and rethink what you are stating.  Those two clips with the magnet and the CRT TV screen disprove what you are stating and they prove the real scientific explanation is correct.

Your problem is that apparently right now you are unable to explain what you are observing when you play with a magnet in front of a CRT TV screen.  So your first challenge is to properly explain what you are observing.

You state that you have been studying magnetism for 14 years.  How then is it possible that you can't explain what you are observing?
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 14, 2014, 04:13:54 AM
Who says seeing a vortex pattern on a TV screen means that the magnetic field is a vortex?  That's your big fail right there.  What's going on in your clips is crystal clear to me.


You havent read the book, I have explained it.

You make many claims, but have no logic for any of it.

Who said the CRT was the only proof?  I have liquid suspension models proving the very same thing. 

Whats a "big fail" son?   Because you made a claim this proves what son?   Children make claims, adults back them up.   

People that make claims are forced to prove them or back them up, otherwise they have nothing intelligent to contribute on the matter,  as per yourself.


I suspect you might be a teenager, there are few adults that have such horrific statements full of claims and senseless rants with no evidence, no logic, no reason behind them.


Run along.  ;)
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 14, 2014, 04:26:50 AM
Don't be ridiculous and try puffing out your chest and playing "daddy."  You are caving in when you do that.  So let's just forget that and move on.

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People that make claims are forced to prove them or back them up

Exactly, and you are the one making the claim, not me.  So I stated that you are wrong about the patterns on the CRT screen and they can be easily explained with conventional magnetic field theory.

So please describe the magnetic field around a disk magnet in detail.   Perhaps you have some drawings you can post?  Then you need to explain what you see on the CRT screen in detail and how it relates to your theory.  Looking at your clips does nothing but show a pattern.  You have to explain why that pattern appears.

For example, there is a large circular black area when the magnet is close to the screen.  I watched 1 1/2 of your clips and you make no attempt to explain that.  Please explain.  Why is there a bright white area in the center of the black area?  Please explain.  Likewise, why do we see the colour banding when the magnet is further away from the screen?

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 14, 2014, 04:46:19 AM
Theoria:

About this clip off yours, "Video 2 Uncovering the Missing Secrets of Magnetism"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-WgxGc_vcA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-WgxGc_vcA)

You take the magnetic viewing film and you point to the lighter line that bisects the magnet and you call it the "dielectric inertial plane."  Please see the attached screen shot.

The issue here is that people pick up magnetic viewing film and they see a pattern in it and then they magically fit it into their theories.  It's another "garden path" mistake.

Who says that the magnetic viewing film is showing a "dielectric inertial plane?"

Let's start from the basics.  What is the magnetic viewing film actually doing and what do light areas mean and what do dark areas mean?  Please explain that first, and then please relate that back to what you call a "dielectric inertial plane."

Also, you call the magnetic viewing film, "velocity viewing film."  Please explain that in detail with respect to what the magnetic viewing film is doing.  What do you mean by "velocity?"

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 14, 2014, 05:04:59 AM
So I stated that you are wrong about the patterns on the CRT screen and they can be easily explained with conventional magnetic field theory.


Thats called "restating the claim"   its a fallacy son.


So please describe the magnetic field around a disk magnet in detail.   

Its in the book son.


I watched 1 1/2 of your clips and you make no attempt to explain that.


Who said I was DONE making videos?    I am not,  yet another fallacy from yourself.


Ive made 6 in 2 days, and more tonight.


"there are THOSE THAT DO, and those that TALK about those that DO"


You, are the later of those.


Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 14, 2014, 05:09:00 AM
Please explain that first, and then please relate that back to what you call a "dielectric inertial plane."



its in the book son, and even has lots of diagrams for those who cannot read.   Such as yourself perhaps.


And the 3rd edition is due out next month.



The book had just under 250,000 downloads off many many diff. sites in UNDER 10 days.

Ive only had 4 complaints,  2 were senseless rants, 1 person said he "hated the introduction but never read the book"



I dont seek your approval.  I retired at age 32, own 4 homes,   graduated college 3 years EARLY (was taking classes after high school in the evening).

Im perfectly happy with you hating BOTH the videos AND the book (you never read).  ;)


Now run along.


Lux et Veritas
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 14, 2014, 05:19:13 AM
I am waiting for you to respond to my technical questions to back up your claim.  If you attempt to deflect from that central theme it's not confidence inspiring.

So far I have seen a person with presumably good intentions with a flawed theory about magnetism that is misreading the CRT patterns and misreading the magnetic viewing film pattern.  Hence my questions asking for you to clarify.  We will see if you can back up your claims.

It's an important issue.  If you are going to put forth a proposition you need to back it up with logic and empirical evidence.  What if you attempt to back up your claims and I find some holes in those claims?  Will that get you rethinking your proposition and perhaps evolving and learning and getting it right in the long run?  That would be to your benefit.

The point being that you can't expect people to just agree with you by default.  You are in a place with lots of room for new ideas but that doesn't mean that all new ideas are blindly accepted either.  Agreeing by default is ultimately bad.  What if your ideas are all wrong?  It's an important issue for everyone on this forum.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 14, 2014, 05:23:35 AM
So far I have seen a person with presumably good intentions with a flawed theory about magnetism


Another fallacy, you haven't read the book, you have no legit assertions, you have no logic or counter-position.

This is the 4th time you have stated "you're wrong".    Too bad son, but intelligent debates dont work that way, you obviously have no idea how one is conducted.

You have no evidences for anything,
you havent read the book (nor do I care if you do).


As such your senseless and childish rants are senseless, worthless, and do not contribute to a Platonic dialectic   (do you know what dielectic is? ).


Goodbye son.   If you have something intelligent to say, fine.  Otherwise you're just flapping your lips.


Se ignoras te egredere'
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 14, 2014, 05:55:43 AM

Another fallacy, you haven't read the book, you have no legit assertions, you have no logic or counter-position.

This is the 4th time you have stated "you're wrong".    Too bad son, but intelligent debates dont work that way, you obviously have no idea how one is conducted.

You have no evidences for anything,
you havent read the book (nor do I care if you do).


As such your senseless and childish rants are senseless, worthless, and do not contribute to a Platonic dialectic   (do you know what dielectic is? ).


Goodbye son.   If you have something intelligent to say, fine.  Otherwise you're just flapping your lips.


Se ignoras te egredere'

I have a little dose of reality for you.  I have already seen enough from you to make a very good preliminary qualification about you and your claim and your knowledge and frame of reference.  The news for you is that I can easily spin circles around you with respect to this subject matter, and I am certainly not an expert.   I don't like to state it like that but I know it, and many people reading this thread know it too.  I have the track record and you are the newbie.

So your feigned arrogance is simply not working at all.  I hope that you get that.

Let's take an example in your second clip where you come up with a cockamamie explanation for why some of the pins do not move "up" when you invert that "pin impression" novelty toy.  Your explanation is wrong.  The pins don't move because they have fallen into their lowest MPE state.

I am not going to do the conventional explanation.  For starters, you should be able to do the conventional explanation yourself if you have been studying magnetism all these years.  So there is a fundamental disconnect there with respect to you and your claimed qualifications.  It seems pretty likely to me that you can't in fact offer up a conventional explanation.  But the real reason I am not going to do the conventional explanation is that you are making the claim and it's a pseudoscience claim.  I can explain what's really happening and that gives you the opening to say, "But I already knew that."  Go ahead and offer up the conventional explanation also if you want.

The burden is on you.  Convince me and the people that are reading this thread that your claims are not pseudoscience and are in fact explainable and make sense.  Show us that you can do it without feigning attitude.  I will remind you that I can explain everything conventionally and I can indeed spin circles around you with my eyes closed if I wanted to.  What I would prefer is a civil debate with no silliness and no name calling.

Please just back up your claims here and let's have a civil debate.  That is presumably why you started this thread.  Convince me and others that you are discussing something that has merit and is not in fact pseudoscience.  I already asked you half a dozen serious questions, please start there without pointing to your pdf.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TinselKoala on July 14, 2014, 06:59:48 AM
This is fun to watch. How many times have we seen this?

Someone shows up, clearly not knowing the history and credentials of the posters on this site, with a "new" Theory of Everything (or Something) and proceeds to lecture from his elevated position of enlightenment, and provides a demonstration or two that clearly do not support his claims at all when properly analyzed. When a highly experienced electronics engineer or technician addresses the _technical issues_ and problems in the claimant's interpretation of what is demonstrated, the claimant immediately starts in with the totally unjustified ad-hominem abuse.

Rather than constructing true experiments that seek to _disprove_ his own hypotheses like a real scientist does, the claimant continues with the ad-hominem abuse of his critics, calling them "son" when they are probably close to twice his age, denigrating their experience and education while bragging about his own. But still not providing any real experimental evidence for his claims, nor experimental evidence that contradicts conventional electromagnetic theory and practice. But he's going to shoot another video! Will it be an experiment testing a null hypothesis with the ability to prove that null is false, or will it be another confirmatory demonstration that cannot prove anything?

Carry on, I'm fetching the popcorn now.

"Dielectric inertial plane".... I am cracking up over that one. That gets a ROFL for sure.

(ETA: It's a good thing that TV has a built in degaussing coil and runs a degauss cycle whenever it's turned on...)
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TinselKoala on July 14, 2014, 07:07:16 AM
Theoria,

I looked at your first clip and the beginning of the second clip that you linked to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dilk8gcDxac (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dilk8gcDxac)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwn3CqvRumg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwn3CqvRumg)

All that your two clips do is confirm that the current theory for how magnetic fields work is correct.

So sorry, but your two clips show the "opposite" of what you are stating in your proposition.  Your clips with the magnet and the CRT TV confirm that there is no "magnetic vortex."

MileHigh


Im so sorry you have no idea what you are talking about.


I have a liquid suspension also showing vortex reciprocation, that does NOT use ferromagnetic material.


My two clips show EXACTLY what I am stating.  The fault lay at your own lack of comprehension, try reading the book and stop being a closed minded lemming.  ;)

Exactly. Counter a technical argument with an insult or two, that always helps to establish your credibility.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TinselKoala on July 14, 2014, 08:20:22 AM
He can't take any criticism at all without dropping his pants and showing more tattoos.


Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 14, 2014, 09:20:39 AM
I have a little dose of reality for you.

I dont respond to senseless claims son, only logic, counter-proof, and evidences.

Of which you have utterly none whatsoever.


If you had something intelligent to contribute, you would have said it already son.    ;)
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 14, 2014, 09:26:34 AM

"Dielectric inertial plane".... I am cracking up over that one. That gets a ROFL for sure.



Son, every electrical engineer has heard of "electrical momentum"  i.e. dielectric inertia.

proving you have never studied electrical theory.
By the way son, its called "Electrical THEORY" for a reason. 


My small little child.   I am extremely well read in Tesla, Faraday, CP Steinmentz, Oliver Heaviside,  ......the people that gave us the ENTIRE modern world of AC and DC power generation.

These people speak MUCH about dielectricity, son.

MOST of Teslas work was not in electricity, son, but dielectricity.
I Suggest you write a book, make some videos.



"there are those that DO, and those that TALK about those that DO".

I retired at age 32 and know 7 languages, son. I translate ancient Greek.


Smarter than you, certainly richer than you.     Did you graduate from college 3 years early son?


I suggest you put down the Cheetos and go write a book proving me wrong.    Unlike YOU,..........I would actually READ YOUR BOOK.  ;)


Seek wisdom, son.


Lux et Veritas.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 14, 2014, 09:32:06 AM
, nor experimental evidence that contradicts conventional electromagnetic theory and practice.


Experimented for many years,  since I retired at age 32, and am 42 now.    MUCH more experimenting than yourself?


Contradict WHAT son?     Prove same.    Everything I have said is in accord with JC Maxwell, Faraday, and CP Steinmetz and O. Heaviside.


"I have found great difficulty in conceiving of the existence of vortices in a medium, side by side, revolving in the same direction about
parallel axes. The contiguous portions of consecutive vortices must be moving in opposite directions; and it is difficult to understand
how the motion of one part of the medium can coexist with, and even produce, an opposite motion of a part in contact with it. In (a
mechanical) mechanism, when two wheels are intended to revolve in the same direction, a wheel is placed between them so as to be in
gear with both, and this wheel is called an 'idle wheel'. The hypothesis about the vortices which I have to suggest is that a layer of
particles, acting as idle wheels, is interposed between each vortex and the next, so that each vortex has a tendency to make the
neighboring vortices revolve in the same direction." - James Clerk Maxwell


Godfather of electrical theory.


I suspect the both of you might be teenagers.   Children and their claims.    Go experiment for years and then write a book proving your premise son.


Talk is very cheap.   I do the experiments.  ;)
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 14, 2014, 09:37:53 AM
Convince me and the people that are reading


Little child, why would I ever want to CONVINCE you of anything?   

I would be a fool to even WANT to convince you of anything. 

Your presumptions are many, your logic is absent, and your dialectical method is nowhere to be found.

"the wise love him for the same reason the fools hate him"-  Plato.




Ignorance , like anti-freeze, is sweet and dangerous.     Try aletheia next time son.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 14, 2014, 01:49:30 PM
This thread should be a HOOT to follow-looking forward to the next chapter.

I seem to remember going through all this some time ago son,oh, i mean MileHigh.
Next we get to see a magnet in a glass of water,with a current passing through it,and watching the water spin in one direction.Then we reverse the current flow,and we get to see the water spin in the opposite direction.

In time,we then get to see a plasma ball showing spinning plasma,as a magnet is brought close to it.This will be followed by pictures that are suppose to be showing magnetic field lines,when in fact will be electrical field line's.

Quote: An excessively strong magnetic field, whether alternating or constant, may mechanically deform (bend),yes BEND, the shadow mask, causing a permanent color distortion on the display which looks very !!similar!! to a magnetization effect.

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: truesearch on July 14, 2014, 04:40:17 PM
@TheoriaApophasis


I respect your background and experience and would like to ask you one question: How do you suggest getting usable energy from a permanent magnet's "field-lines" without using physical movement in relation to a coil?


sincerely,
trueseach
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 14, 2014, 07:58:58 PM
This will be followed by pictures that are suppose to be showing magnetic field lines,when in fact will be electrical field line's.


Poor child, if you ACTUALLY had read the book, I would tell you that what fools think is a "magnet" is an electrified dielectric object

IN WHICH, in perfect condition, is 3.23606 parts dielectricity to 1 part magnetism.


Yes, they ARE electrical , however you confuse electricity with dielectricity, but that is ok.


However you, like everyone else, has no idea what a "field" even is.  There is no accurate definition of same.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 14, 2014, 08:02:32 PM
How do you suggest getting usable energy from a permanent magnet's "field-lines" without using physical movement in relation to a coil?


I nowhere made any such claim of doing so.


I am not part of the "free energy" crowd of fools and nut jobs, and genuine overunity is impossible.   One might get "overunity" by drawing enormous power from natural sourced, but thats just "free movement" coupling.

I never mention free energy, or alternative energy, or overunity etc etc.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: SeaMonkey on July 14, 2014, 11:50:04 PM
Well now, this has become a very interesting
exchange of thoughts!

It is always good to see new, (or Old, as this case
may be) mind expanding possibilities.  At the
same time it is rather puzzling to see how some
react defensively in response to what is perceived
a threat to the way they understand things.

You've said it well Th.Ap.  It is very refreshing
to observe how you "handle" those who would
want to disagree.

Let us hope that the end result of this discussion
will prove to be very positive and enlightening.

Carry on Gentlemen...
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TinselKoala on July 15, 2014, 12:11:51 AM

Experimented for many years,  since I retired at age 32, and am 42 now.    MUCH more experimenting than yourself?


Contradict WHAT son?     Prove same.    Everything I have said is in accord with JC Maxwell, Faraday, and CP Steinmetz and O. Heaviside.


"I have found great difficulty in conceiving of the existence of vortices in a medium, side by side, revolving in the same direction about
parallel axes. The contiguous portions of consecutive vortices must be moving in opposite directions; and it is difficult to understand
how the motion of one part of the medium can coexist with, and even produce, an opposite motion of a part in contact with it. In (a
mechanical) mechanism, when two wheels are intended to revolve in the same direction, a wheel is placed between them so as to be in
gear with both, and this wheel is called an 'idle wheel'. The hypothesis about the vortices which I have to suggest is that a layer of
particles, acting as idle wheels, is interposed between each vortex and the next, so that each vortex has a tendency to make the
neighboring vortices revolve in the same direction." - James Clerk Maxwell


Godfather of electrical theory.


I suspect the both of you might be teenagers.   Children and their claims.    Go experiment for years and then write a book proving your premise son.


Talk is very cheap.   I do the experiments.  ;)

Baby boy, I have experimental _notebooks_ that are older than you are.  You have no idea to whom you are talking when you talk to Mile High, Tinman or me with your disrespect and false claims. Carry on digging yourself deeper and deeper holes, sweet child. And it's very clear that you have no hope of understanding what I've written _and published_ in major scientific journals, so you can push your nonsense off on someone else. Kiss kiss, little deluded dreamer.

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TinselKoala on July 15, 2014, 12:15:01 AM

Poor child, if you ACTUALLY had read the book, I would tell you that what fools think is a "magnet" is an electrified dielectric object

IN WHICH, in perfect condition, is 3.23606 parts dielectricity to 1 part magnetism.

Are you quite sure it's not 3.23607 parts? Maybe it's 3.23605 parts and your pencil was stuck.

Quote


Yes, they ARE electrical , however you confuse electricity with dielectricity, but that is ok.


However you, like everyone else, has no idea what a "field" even is.  There is no accurate definition of same.

Go ahead, genius. Build something using "your" delusions that can't be fully explained and understood by conventional physics. You can't. Now explain how a television set works using "your" delusions. You can't.

You are providing much amusement, script kiddie. Keep it up!
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 15, 2014, 12:35:18 AM
Baby boy, I have experimental _notebooks_ that are older than you are. 


Proving PLATO right yet again



"He is old, but not wise"  - Plato

"Learned and old he is, but only AGE has grown on him, but NOT the fruit of wisdom"-   Samyutta Nikaya



Tesla did more and invented more FAR younger than you.  Your "very old notes" prove one thing:

 Youve been (intellectually) ....... "banging your head against the wall for a LONG TIME"   ;)
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 15, 2014, 12:39:07 AM
understanding what I've written _and published_ in major scientific journals



Let me explain something to you son, in honest respect.    The worst FILTH to come from current science is "peer reviewed" trash from Academia.

Did you expect a wise and intelligent person like myself to FALL FOR  nonsense like "virtual photons"  and the TRASH of  GR and QM (quantum mechanics)?


“Where common sense and intuition failed, we (the insane relativists) had to create a new form of intuition based upon abstract
(unreal) mathematics. When common sense fails, we must create uncommon sense.”
-Leonard Susskind, professor theoretical physics, and priest of the cult of Quantum

Quantum insanity: “Everything we call real is made up of things that cannot be real.” – N. Bohr

Quantum insanity: “The more you see how strange nature behaves, the harder it is for us to make a model that explains even the how
the most simple phenomena works. Theoretical physics has given up on this pursuit.” – R. Feynman




"nothing true is popular, and nothing POPULAR is true"     Your  "popular journals" appeal to POPULAR MINDS, son. 


The ancient Pali term for popular (puthujjana)  is the SAME WORD for idiot.  ;)
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 15, 2014, 12:44:56 AM
Go ahead, genius. Build something using "your" delusions that can't be fully explained and understood by conventional physics. You can't


I have 4 patents,  how about yourself?


Conventional Physics (as meant GR and QM  BS) doesnt even know what a FIELD is


Physics has never EVER defined

1. a field

2. instant action at a distance

3. magnetic reciprocation.



Forget about anything I build son,  Physics doesnt even understand the elemental forces of nature.   (of which MOST genuine scientists will ADMIT THIS FACT)


So, your INSANE premise that physics can BOTH "explain everything" and they in fact do NOT know how the fudamental forces WORK,  OR what a FIELD is


.....that son, is proof you are both unwise, and full of hubris and insanity.  ;)


" fully explained "  what son?    You would have to understand fundamental forces and what a FIELD IS (at the very least) to " fully explain"   ANYTHING



Your breed of insanity wont penetrate the mind of the wise, only fools.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 15, 2014, 01:33:05 AM
Such drama!

Anyway, Theora you haven't responded to any of my basic technical questions.  I was tempted to list them, perhaps later.

My fundamental point is that your propositions don't make sense and you don't have any evidence to support your model.  I am asking you to provide a logical argument to back up your claims!  You play with that giant neodymium magnet in a new clip and you talk about field procession as per the diagrams in your pdf.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FesNe2UKcJQ

But of course one more time you are observing ordinary effects that most children have observed when playing with magnets.

Then in the attached images you look at what you see on the CRT screen and show your analysis.  All that you have to do is use a compass to map out the magnetic field in 3D space.  That is direct observable evidence for what is taking place!  Keep it simple and analyze what the compass is telling you without injecting stuff from "above."
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 15, 2014, 01:40:29 AM
My fundamental point is that your propositions don't make sense


Im going to (try) teach you a lesson it seems you cannot learn son.

When you make a CLAIM over and over and over, and give no reasons, no logic, no evidence for it,    merely stating "you're wrong" to myself 5 times over and over and over.

Thats called a "restating the claim fallacy".    Go look it up son.




same double hyperbola and accretion disk as seen in galactic jets


Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 15, 2014, 01:45:44 AM
That beautiful colour image you see on the CRT screen is being produced because of the presence of a classic 'donut' shaped toroidal magnetic field produced by the disk magnet!  I swear!
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 15, 2014, 01:56:48 AM
That beautiful colour image you see on the CRT


CRT demo is only ONE demo out of 6 different ones I use.     If you, pathetically, think Im merely using CRT as a demo AND/OR proof, then you are deluded.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 15, 2014, 02:02:52 AM

CRT demo is only ONE demo out of 6 different ones I use.     If you, pathetically, think Im merely using CRT as a demo AND/OR proof, then you are deluded.

You are trying to change the subject!  You are still looking at a donut.

In a couple of places in your clips you comment about the concept of 'electrical inertia' in a coil and you relate that to a flywheel.  I apologize I can't find were you state that in your clips again it would take too long.  That is a valid concept but the problem is that your description of what was 'under the hood' went into vectors and other stuff.  Can you comment on that and describe the analogy?  Then I will comment.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 15, 2014, 02:11:32 AM
your clips you comment about the concept of 'electrical inertia' in a coil


I refer to electrical engineering texts referring to dielectricity as "electrical inertia"

JC Maxwell says the same thing.   So does Oliver Heaviside.


Heard of them, (i assume)?
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 15, 2014, 02:14:17 AM
Hey!  I am asking you for your thoughts and your words.  Please share your thoughts.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: SeaMonkey on July 15, 2014, 02:19:43 AM
Looks like it's becoming a "Turf War."

You're doing just fine Th.Ap.

The Eagles said it best. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6FsnmaJrQQ)

This is perhaps their best work. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-NlR54PqLw)
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 15, 2014, 02:20:38 AM
Hey!  I am asking you for your thoughts and your words.  Please share your thoughts.


My thoughts are in the book.
3rd edition will be out in a month using MANY OTHER models.


I stated before to you, I am not out to convince anyone of anything.   

 If you want to send a pic of yourself wiping your fanny with the front page of the book, thats fine too.

I don't believe in converting or "convincing" people.


Praise wisdom      Lux et Veritas
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 15, 2014, 03:05:46 AM
Looks like it's becoming a "Turf War."


No, no "war".    Nothing at all like that.


Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: SeaMonkey on July 15, 2014, 04:19:54 AM
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis

No, no "war".    Nothing at all like that.

From your perspective I understand fully.

You're doing a magnificent job of keeping
the tensions down.

There are some here who look at this as
being their turf, however, and may even
be resentful of new talent which may
usurp their influence or diminish their
imagined status.

Those of us who seek truth and knowledge
(even wisdom) welcome your contributions.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 15, 2014, 06:34:41 AM
Theora,

Your book is a copy-pasteagasm.  It's a new word I just invented.  You wrote the book but you can't say anything, only point to your book?  ha ha

SeaMonkey:

You are getting a raging pulseon.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: SeaMonkey on July 15, 2014, 07:05:57 AM
Quote from: MileHigh
SeaMonkey:

You are getting a raging pulseon.

MileHigh

Aye, isn't it beautiful? 8)

Do I sense a bit of envy in your tone? :P

I suppose you're wishing you had one too... :-* ;)

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TinselKoala on July 15, 2014, 09:18:54 AM

I nowhere made any such claim of doing so.


I am not part of the "free energy" crowd of fools and nut jobs, and genuine overunity is impossible.   One might get "overunity" by drawing enormous power from natural sourced, but thats just "free movement" coupling.

I never mention free energy, or alternative energy, or overunity etc etc.

Look up at the top of your computer screen. Can you read? What is the name of this forum?

Kiss kiss, sweetheart.

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TinselKoala on July 15, 2014, 09:23:16 AM

I refer to electrical engineering texts referring to dielectricity as "electrical inertia"

JC Maxwell says the same thing.   So does Oliver Heaviside.


Heard of them, (i assume)?
Can you cite a proper reference that supports this contention? Go ahead, you can do it if you try.  Show exactly where Maxwell and Heaviside say that dielectricty is electrical inertia. Or cite properly an electrical engineering text.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: CANGAS on July 15, 2014, 10:22:44 AM
@Tinselkoala......
I realize that you have got miffed and may be in plan B of now engaging in a War Of Words. However.....

During the late 1800s there was widespread belief in the physics community that inertia and momentum (and even,you know, gravity  :o) was explained by electric and magnetic field actions and reactions. It was variously described as electric inertia, magnetic inertia, electromagnetic inertia, whatever.   

Surely you remember that.


CANGAS 53
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 15, 2014, 11:14:21 AM

Surely you remember that.

obviously he doesnt



He can look here for much on same RE: dielectric inertia....... (however I wont give him the honor of the page number)

Maybe he can read it (for the first time ever)


Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 15, 2014, 12:44:42 PM
MileHigh & TK.
No one will ever match your comedy-thats for sure. Never laughed this hard for some time now-copy-pastergasm MH ;D Odd thing is,most of it(the comedy)is based around facts,wich makes it even better lol.

I was going to ask if the bloch wall was going to come into this sooner or later,but i see that's been replaced with spider gear's :P
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 15, 2014, 12:48:41 PM
@Tinselkoala......
I realize that you have got miffed and may be in plan B of now engaging in a War Of Words. However.....

During the late 1800s there was widespread belief in the physics community that inertia and momentum (and even,you know, gravity  :o) was explained by electric and magnetic field actions and reactions. It was variously described as electric inertia, magnetic inertia, electromagnetic inertia, whatever.   

Surely you remember that.


CANGAS 53
Well there was the Feynmans paradox i guess.
A superconducting solenoid is mounted on a plastic disc that is free to rotate on a frictionless axle. Around the periphery of the disc are embedded small, charged spheres. A constant current initially circulates in the solenoid. The disc is initially at rest. There is a magnetostatic field.

As the solenoid temperature rises toward room temperature, the coil loses its superconductivity. At some temperature the current begins to drop toward zero. dB/dt is nonzero as the current drops, and a circulating E field is induced. Each charged ball experiences a tangential electric force. There is a nonzero torque, and the disc begins to rotate.

According to Feynman, here is the paradox: the initial angular momentum is supposedly zero, and hence the final angular momentum should also be zero.

Yes-a copy-pastergasm.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 15, 2014, 12:53:33 PM
TA
Most of what you present is theory,or your belief's(as you stated in a previous post).
But your thread is titled :Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex

Where is this ultimate proof of this magnetic vortex-i see only thought's(your own book's) and theories.

Question-Is this vortex stationary,or dose it rotate/in motion ?.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 15, 2014, 08:00:27 PM
TA
Most of what you present is theory,or your belief's(as you stated in a previous post).
But your thread is titled :Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex

Where is this ultimate proof of this magnetic vortex-i see only thought's(your own book's) and theories.

Question-Is this vortex stationary,or dose it rotate/in motion ?.


I answer all of that IN the book, which you obviously never read.



As for what you think is a "Bloch wall", that, Sir, IS what is "driving" every magnet


Do you even know how a "magnet" is created?   dumped charged capacitor banks spin up in geometric magneto-dielectric incommensurability the magnetic and dielectric fields to MAKE the specific geometry.


As a crude analogy, that "bloch wall" is the dielectric 'flywheel' that is powering the macro-magnetic phenomena that people think makes it "a magnet"


What YOU or ANYONE thinks you "know" about the so-called Bloch wall (and you will find VERY little on this 'out there') is both nonsense, rubbish, and 100% incomplete.

its a powerful and CHARGED dielectric object with ATTRIBUTIONAL magnetic field reciprocation.


I have proof after proof, another 40 pages to add, 7 diff. physical demonstrations of same.

Do you even OWN a magnetometer?
have you ever measured WHAT or why the Gauss reading in EXTREMELY high on the edge, and also HIGH at the dead center?   and LOW in the intermediate?


I have an invention however I have only shown 4 people that gives about a 20+ second demonstration window of a genuine tornado-like vortex over any magnet.
A patent lawyer I used before has been contacted and I meet next week.

That 8th device, my invention, you will not see, because nothing like it exists, and I am going to patent it.


Believe that, fine, dont believe it, I also dont care.


As stated, I have NO interest in converting or convincing ANYONE of anything.


Lux et Veritas
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: steeltpu on July 15, 2014, 09:04:47 PM
officialy off topic.

popcorn time ratings:
scale 1 - 10 stars

TheoriaApophasis:  10 stars
Milehigh: 1 star

Tinsel Koala: -1 star

negative stars created special for TK   
TheoriaApophasis almost lost one star for calling them son because they are actually the other gender.

carry on girls

 :P
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TinselKoala on July 15, 2014, 09:06:50 PM
@Tinselkoala......
I realize that you have got miffed and may be in plan B of now engaging in a War Of Words. However.....

During the late 1800s there was widespread belief in the physics community that inertia and momentum (and even,you know, gravity  :o ) was explained by electric and magnetic field actions and reactions. It was variously described as electric inertia, magnetic inertia, electromagnetic inertia, whatever.   

Surely you remember that.


CANGAS 53

Let me remind you of the original statement:
Quote
I refer to electrical engineering texts referring to dielectricity as "electrical inertia"

JC Maxwell says the same thing.   So does Oliver Heaviside.


Heard of them, (i assume)?

So where is the reference that supports the actual claim made by our Tattooed Genius? Show me where Heaviside or Maxwell or an "electrical engineering text" refers to dielectricity as "electrical inertia".

Have you forgotten how to cite a reference too? Posting an image of a frontispiece is not how it's done. 

Once you've found your reference and can cite it properly, we will move on to see if that definition (if you can find it) applies to the color patterns one sees with green magnetic field viewing film.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TinselKoala on July 15, 2014, 09:13:51 PM
officialy off topic.

popcorn time ratings:
scale 1 - 10 stars

TheoriaApophasis:  10 stars
Milehigh: 1 star

Tinsel Koala: -1 star

negative stars created special for TK   
TheoriaApophasis almost lost one star for calling them son because they are actually the other gender.

carry on girls

 :P

Quote
Do you even know how a "magnet" is created?   dumped charged capacitor banks spin up in geometric magneto-dielectric incommensurability the magnetic and dielectric fields to MAKE the specific geometry.


As a crude analogy, that "bloch wall" is the dielectric 'flywheel' that is powering the macro-magnetic phenomena that people think makes it "a magnet"

What a HOOT! You people really crack me up. "SteelTPU" whose name reflects one of the biggest hoaxes ever put out on the internet, and the Tattooed Genius spouting gobbledegook and insults! Great thread folks! Meanwhile... television sets work, but the Genius can't explain them, and TPUs don't work, but he can explain them just fine.

Go ahead, cut a bar magnet in half along the "Bloch Wall". Funny sort of slippery "wall" isn't it, that suddenly doubles itself, moves around, and now you have two, one in each half of your original magnet. That's OU, two from one!

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TinselKoala on July 15, 2014, 09:18:38 PM

.....

I have an invention however I have only shown 4 people that gives about a 20+ second demonstration window of a genuine tornado-like vortex over any magnet.
A patent lawyer I used before has been contacted and I meet next week.

That 8th device, my invention, you will not see, because nothing like it exists, and I am going to patent it.
Believe that, fine, dont believe it, I also dont care.


As stated, I have NO interest in converting or convincing ANYONE of anything.


Lux et Veritas

That must be why you are arguing with and insulting people on the Overunity Open Source Forum website. I understand you a lot better now.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: SeaMonkey on July 15, 2014, 09:47:42 PM
Quote from: TinKoa
Go ahead, cut a bar magnet in half along the "Bloch Wall". Funny sort of slippery "wall" isn't it, that suddenly doubles itself, moves around, and now you have two, one in each half of your original magnet. That's OU, two from one!

Not unless each retains the strength of the original. 8)

Really nothing strange about how certain manifestations
are able to find their proper center in whatever medium
they may exist. ;)

Suddenly the Champion of Self-Study and Research becomes
the crybaby demanding to be spoon-fed. :o

Old-Age making its debut? :)
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TinselKoala on July 15, 2014, 10:15:07 PM
Not unless each retains the strength of the original. 8)

Really nothing strange about how certain manifestations
are able to find their proper center in whatever medium
they may exist. ;)

Suddenly the Champion of Self-Study and Research becomes
the crybaby demanding to be spoon-fed. :o

Old-Age making its debut? :)

Non-responsive gobbledegook word salad.  Support your claims with facts, checkable outside references or valid demonstrations of your own. If you don't know how... look at my YT channel and my forum posts. If you cannot support your claims ... that is really your problem, not mine. In fact... I really cannot recall seeing _anything_ substantive from you, Sea Monkey, in all the time you've been posting your hard-carriage-return posts. Those who can, do. Those who only post unsupported arguments on internet forums, evidently can't do anything else.

You cannot show any place where I have "demanded to be spoon-fed". I demand that people give checkable references for their silly claims. Can YOU cite a proper reference that shows that Heaviside or Maxwell or an engineering text says that "dielectricity is electrical inertia" ? Show some formulae that derive the relationship?
Of course you cannot.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: SeaMonkey on July 15, 2014, 10:25:36 PM
I strive to keep my postings concise, brief
and with as little verbiage as possible. ;)

Easily read by all who peruse these pages. :)

Some see only what they desire to see. ::)

Some are addicted to repartee and the
adrenalin rush of conflict. :o

You're losing this one big time. 8)

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 15, 2014, 10:26:59 PM
Quote TA:  I have proof after proof, another 40 pages to add, 7 diff. physical demonstrations of same.
 Cool-when do we get to see the spinning water around a magnet?-Then i'll show you something that will confuse the hell out of you ???
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 16, 2014, 12:11:47 AM
There is no Bloch wall in a bar magnet or in a disk magnet!  lol

My cries, cries, cries, go unrecognized.   :'(
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: SeaMonkey on July 16, 2014, 01:34:41 AM
I suspect you're right about that MilesHigher.

I've never liked the term "Bloch Wall."

But there is definitely something there at
that spot or location.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 16, 2014, 03:27:51 AM
Question-Is this vortex stationary,or dose it rotate/in motion ?.


reciprocation and rotation are necessitated.   The angles and rate of precession are mentioned in the book.

Definitionally a "stationary vortex" isnt / cannot be a vortex, rather would be a CONE.    No such creature exists.


Electrostatic charged pyrolytic dusted-graphite in mineral oil shows BOTH the centripetal and centrifugal vortex.

microbeading ferrofuild in 100% isopropyl alcohol shows the increasing (to center point) centripetal vortex in live-motion.

and another device I am in the works, which works best, of getting a patent on, works better than all of them.

I am presenting another video demo of the same vortex using a dangerous 6 inch by 2" neodymium.   That video is in the works.

along with maybe 10 more videos on other points.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 16, 2014, 03:32:34 AM
There is no Bloch wall in a bar magnet or in a disk magnet!  lol


What you think is a "bloch wall" is a dielectric 'flywheel' which 'drives' the entire "magnet"


However only a magnetically induced object is a genuine "magnet",   what you and others call a "magnet" is a dielectric object.



Field Incommensurability necessitates (as does anyone who knows this fact),

 that you can CUT a magnet a 100,000 times top to bottom and you will still have both "poles" (a wrong term if ever there was one) and the inertial plane.


Point inspecific self-similarity in ANY point in a 'perfect' "magnet" is field incommensurability.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 16, 2014, 04:01:24 AM
I am not sure which Bloch wall you are referring to because I said that your run of the mill magnet has no Bloch walls.  Back to flywheels again.  An inductor is like a flywheel.  Also, a capacitor is like a flywheel.  This applies to both with respect to the energy dynamics and the two-terminal behaviour.  I agree with you that there are no actual North and South poles.  Common ground there!
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 16, 2014, 04:32:02 AM
I am not sure which Bloch wall you are referring to because I said that your run of the mill magnet has no Bloch walls.


Impossible, they all do by sheer definition alone.  (see bottom picture)






Back to flywheels again.  An inductor is like a flywheel.  Also, a capacitor is like a flywheel.


Yes, what did you think a "magnet" was? ..... A capacitor bank discharge into the PRE-"magnet" increases the inter-atomic dielectric which creates the macro-magnetic values which we (dumb humans) so deem it "a magnet".



Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 16, 2014, 04:38:47 AM

Impossible, they all do by sheer definition alone.  (see bottom picture)







Yes, what did you think a "magnet" was? ..... A capacitor bank discharge into the PRE-"magnet" increases the inter-atomic dielectric which creates the macro-magnetic values which we (dumb humans) so deem it "a magnet".

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 16, 2014, 05:13:12 AM
Theoria:

This guy is the real thing:

https://www.youtube.com/user/lasseviren1/videos

An interesting one from the channel:

Calculating the Magnetic Field Due to a Moving Point Charge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waTF7kjmmt8&list=UU6x7DywfEqLg-3Cg_JnyTlg

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 16, 2014, 05:39:57 AM
Theoria:

This guy is the real thing:


Hes real to be sure, a priest of the cult of Quantum.


Now contact him and tell him to define what a FIELD is.   He cant. He has no clue.



Ive seen 6 of his videos,  100% descriptions, and 0% explanations.

The world is ripe with intelligent fools that can tell you what a magnet "does"

and utterly VOID of HOW, WHY, and WHAT.


Its divinely fitting that a describer is your hero.

He also thinks that electrons exist.  The magical (and non-existent) "discharge" particle.  ;D

That alone proves him a fool.


“Unfortunately to a large extent in dealing with dielectric fields the prehistoric conception of the electro-static charge, the
‘electron’, on the conductor still exists, and by its use destroys the analogy between the two components of the electric field, the
magnetic and dielectric. This makes the consideration of dielectric fields unnecessarily complicated” - C.P. Steinmetz (Electric
Discharges, Waves and Impulses)

The idea of electricity as a flow of ‘electrons’ in a conductor was regarded by Oliver Heaviside as “a psychosis”. This encouraged
Heaviside to begin a series of writings

“Electrons as a separate, distinct entity…doesn’t really exist, they are merely bumps in something called a ‘field’.” - Dr. Steve
Biller

“Here we will dispel the "electronics nerd" concept that a capacitor stores "electrons" in its plates. Taking the pair of copper plates
as in the previous experiment, but now we have two pairs of plates, one pair of plates distant from the other pair of plates. Upon one
pair of plates is imposed an electro-static potential between them. The cube of 10-C oil is inserted between this "charged" set of plates.
This hereby establishes a dielectric field of induction within the unit cube of 10-C oil. Now we then remove this cube of oil,
withdrawing it from the space bounded by the charged pair of copper plates, and taking this unit cube of oil, it is then inserted into the
space bounded by the other uncharged pair of plates. Upon insertion it is found that the un-charged pair of plates have now in fact
become charged also. It here can be seen that a cube of dielectric induction can be carried through space, from one set of plates to
another set of plates.” – E. Dollard

Also consider the J.J. Thomson concept of the "electron" (his own discovery). Thomson considered the electron the terminal end
of one unit line of dielectric induction.


You cannot say that stretching a trillion rubber bands nailed to the floor and releasing them or breaking their “force lines” is the
“flow of electrons”; discharge is a terminal movement in systems of inductance or dielectric capacitance. There are no discrete
particles in the universe and certainly none that mediate charges, discharges, magnetism, electromagnetism, gravity, and radiation,
only fields, all modalities of the Ether. The so-called ‘electrons’ are not particles, not objects or subjects but are the dynamic principle
of discharge, and are certainly not charge-carriers, fields are not particles, are not “electrons”, nor assuredly are there energy
discharges in the vacuum of space involving ‘electrons’; the ‘electron’ is a fiction of fallacious observation and an even more faulty
mental acuity, spawned naturally from the minds of materialists, or an Atomist. Electricity is Ether in a state of dynamic polarization;
magnetism is Ether in a state of dynamic circular polarization upon itself, is the radiative termination of electrical discharge;
dielectricity is the Ether under stress or strain. The motions and strains of the Ether give rise to electrification. Phi times Psi gives Q;
‘electrons’ do not mediate these electrical and magnetic forces or their likewise the Ether fields.


Sorry, no discharge (Unicorn) particles.    Sell that Kool Aide to the sheeple.


Trust him or you,    or  CP Steinmetz???   Tough decision on that one.  ::)


“Scientists today think deeply rather than clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.
Todays scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander thru equation after equation, and eventually build a
structure which has no basis in reality.” – Nikola Tesla


Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 16, 2014, 05:59:06 AM
Yeah I am familiar with the story.  You are even edging into Zipon territory.  From past experience people that argue this stuff can't solve a simple circuit.

In many cases electrons are like tumbleweeds in the wind.  The wind is like the electric field.  That's the ticket.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 16, 2014, 06:06:30 AM
The wind is like the electric field.  That's the ticket.


Too bad you cannot define FIELD

I however can.


Wind  ehhh? , now youre just glossing the term ETHER/Aether.        How sweet that is.   


“The word Ether has extremely negative connotations in theoretical physics only because its past association with opposition to
relativity. This is unfortunate because stripped of these connotations, it nicely captures the way most physicists actually thin about the
vacuum. The modern concept of vacuum space confirmed by every experiment is a relativistic Ether. But we do not call it this because
Ether is a taboo term.” - Robert B. Laughlin




All electrons are a motional terminus of a quantity of dielectric pressure gradients of force (as reified by the incorrect
understanding of the definition of a ‘field’), these pressure gradients, or “lines” are contracting and stretching like rubber bands, giving
motion to the terminus ‘electron’. The thermionic ‘electron’ contracts, pulling the ‘electron’, the cathode ray stretching, pulled by the
‘electron’. In the former case the lines of force are dissipated, in the latter case the line of force are projected, in both cases these socalled
‘electrons’ assume radial motions, with non participating pressure gradients, or forces filling the ‘voids’, directing the
‘electrons’. Hence, it is the so-called ‘electrons’ (dielectric radial discharges) that travel in straight lines, that is, radially. ‘Electrons’
have nothing to do with the flow of electricity; the so-called ‘electrons’ are the rate at which electricity is destroyed. ‘Electrons’ are in
fact the resistance. From extensive experimental work into atomic electrical science by J. J. Thompson, and Nikola Tesla, it is
established that the so-called electron is only a shadow; its apparent-only physical mass is merely an electrical momentum (ejected by
the dielectric inertia in disturbance). There is no rest mass to an electron nor could there be logically, a rest-electron ‘bead’; such
notions are absurd and evidence proven non-existent. The very premise is logically impossible and contradicts the rational physics of
atomic charges and discharges.

“In the theoretical treatment of these electrons we are faced with the difficulty that electro-dynamic theory by itself is unable to
give an account of their nature.” “For since electrical masses constituting the electron would necessarily be scattered under the
influence of their mutual repulsions, unless there are forces of another kind operating between them the nature of which has hitherto
remained obscure to us.” - Einstein on electrons; “Relativity”, by Albert Einstein, Random House Publisher, 1916
There is no such condition in nature as a negatively charge particle nor could there be. Charge and discharges are opposite
conditions of a single subject, either protons or fields of movements and radiation of those same electrical fields. To claim that liquid
in a jar (charged) is one thing, and pouring that liquid from the jar (discharge) is another liquid altogether, is nonsense, likewise
compression and expansion are opposite conditions of a single subject. Compressing bodies are charging into higher potential
conditions. Conversely, expanding bodies are discharging into lower potential conditions.

“To describe an electron as a negatively charged body is equivalent to saying that it is an expanding-contracting particle. There is
no such condition in nature as a negative charge, nor are there negatively charged particles. Charge and discharge are opposite
conditions, as filling and emptying, or compressing and expanding are opposite conditions.” – W. Russell
Thomson developed the “Ether Atom” ideas of M. Faraday into his “Electronic Corpuscle”, this indivisible unit. One corpuscle
terminates on one Faradic tube of force, and this quantifies as one Coulomb. This corpuscle is not and electron, it is a constituent of
what today is known incorrectly as an “electron”. (Thomson relates 1000 corpuscles per electron) In this view, that taken by W.
Crookes, J.J. Thomson, and N. Tesla, the cathode ray is not electrons, but in actuality corpuscles of the Ether.” – E. Dollard
With the introduction of the so-called ‘electron’ by Thomson and the supposed debunking of the Ether theory, the golden age of
electrical discovery ended. Tesla's Wardenclyffe tower was demolished. His work and that of other Ether researchers fell into
disrepute. They were relentlessly attacked by mainstream science, something that continues to this day. As a result, the days of Etherdriven,
electrical discovery petered-out, finally ending around 1930. As a direct and intentional result of the academic physics theory,
the methodology behind the brilliant inventiveness of previous generations was all but wiped out and replaced by an unproductive
particle physics. This, from the cult of quantum, a fraudulent collusion and academic hubris-based pseudo-conspiracy based in “deep
thinking insanity” designed by mathematical physics.



“There is no energy in matter other than that received from its environment (as meant Ether fields).” – Nikola Tesla
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TinselKoala on July 16, 2014, 06:09:40 AM
Do you see? I told you.
The Tattooed Genius cannot provide any reference for his assertion that Maxwell and Heaviside or electrical engineering texts say that "dielectricity is electrical inertia". Nor can he explain how CRT televisions work, since he denies the existence of electrons. He will have trouble describing what the electron beam guns emit, and how they can be so precisely designed by people who DO believe in electrons and who would instantly reject his silly word-salads. Nor can he use his "theory" to design anything that works in any "unconventional" manner.
So he will simply continue to post his pretty graphics and insult his betters with nonsense and diatribe. Carry on.

(He cites a 98 year old quote from Einstein.. who would have instantly understood a modern CRT television set for exactly what it is...  in an attempt to support his position. It is to laugh.)

 
Quote
One corpuscle terminates on one Faradic tube of force, and this quantifies as one Coulomb. This corpuscle is not and electron, it is a constituent of
what today is known incorrectly as an “electron”. (Thomson relates 1000 corpuscles per electron) In this view, that taken by W.
Crookes, J.J. Thomson, and N. Tesla, the cathode ray is not electrons, but in actuality corpuscles of the Ether.” – E. Dollard

Eric Dollard now! This guy cracks me up over and over again. Faradic Tube of Force. Quantifies as One Coulomb. Hey, Apophis, you are on the wrong forum. You should go here, where your ideas will get the reception they truly deserve:
http://www.energy-shiftingparadigms.com/
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 16, 2014, 06:13:27 AM
, since he denies the existence of electrons. He will have trouble describing what the electron beam guns



Your mind doesnt work well son.   Tesla used the term electron. However he also DENIED that same was a particle.     

You've committed the fallacy of REIFICATION.


There are no electron beam guns, son.    I know EXACTLY what they emit.


The ‘electron microscope’ lie

There are no negatively "charged" particles in this universe. Negative electricity discharges while positive electricity charges. The
negative depolarizing force functions in the opposite manner and direction to the positive polarizing force.

“Always question the academic who tells you he’s manipulating particles that nobody has never witnessed. Countless particles are
created in the Atomistic religion of quantum as demonstrable redesignations of electrical and magnetic effects and fields. An entire
academic pantheon of liars is established to perpetrate this nonsense.”

"Because the SEM (scanning electron microscope) utilizes vacuum conditions and uses ‘electrons’ to form an image, special
preparations must be applied to the sample. All water must be removed from the samples because the water would vaporize in the
vacuum. All metals are conductive and require no preparation before being used. All non-metals need to be made conductive by
covering the sample with a thin layer of conductive material.
This is done by using a device called a "sputter coater”. The sputter
coater uses an electric field and argon gas. The sample is placed in a small chamber that is at a vacuum. Argon gas and an electric field
cause an ‘electron’ to be removed from the argon, making the atoms positively charged. The argon ions then become attracted to a
negatively charged gold foil. The argon ions knock gold atoms from the surface of the gold foil. These gold atoms fall and settle onto
the surface of the sample producing a thin gold coating ”


Only conductive (metal) samples are suitable for “electron” microscopy untreated, all other samples are metal treated to prevent
them from burning up in the intense dielectric beam. The resulting image is therefore of the metal coating or stain and not the original
sample! Never believe a relativist telling you he’s “shooting his electron gun”. A metal dielectric reflector of a once living organism is
not the original sample nor are there electrons scanning it.
This device in reality is a dielectric scanning reflector, which produces fine
images as only reflected off metal surfaces. The very focusing beams of these microscope are constrictor “lenses” of dielectric flux
lines.


Even the idiot Einstein understood the BS and implication of a "discharge particle" :

“In the theoretical treatment of these electrons we are faced with the difficulty that electro-dynamic theory by itself is unable to
give an account of their nature.” “For since electrical masses constituting the electron would necessarily be scattered under the
influence of their mutual repulsions, unless there are forces of another kind operating between them the nature of which has hitherto
remained obscure to us.” - Einstein on electrons; “Relativity”, by Albert Einstein, Random House Publisher, 1916



You lost that one,  NEXT





Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TinselKoala on July 16, 2014, 06:18:26 AM
Wrong again, buddy boy. You can shout and moan and insult all you like, but you can't deny the existence of electron microscopes, or CRT electron beam guns! They don't actually care if you redefine them.. they are what they are and you are utterly and stupidly wrong. But your insufferable ego will never let you rest. You are the next most textbook example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

Go ahead, you still haven't provided the reference for your stupid assertion about Maxwell, Heaviside, ee texts saying dielectricity is electrical inertia, and you still cannot design anything with your "theory" that can't be done with conventional electrical engineering and physics. The proof is in the DOING and you cannot do.

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 16, 2014, 06:18:43 AM
Faradic Tube of Force. Quantifies as One Coulomb.


Those were the words of JJ Thomson himself,   NOT E. Dollard.


Lost again,   insert 25 cents more and try again.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TinselKoala on July 16, 2014, 06:20:46 AM

Those were the words of JJ Thomson himself,   NOT E. Dollard.


Lost again,   insert 25 cents more and try again.
Keep it up, silly boy. You are just digging yourself in deeper and deeper. Go ahead and show a MODERN REFERENCE to a "faradic tube of force" and show how it "quantifies" to one Coulomb. You cannot.

Quote
Since the charge of one electron is known to be about 1.60217657×10−19 coulombs, a coulomb can also be considered to be the charge of roughly 6.241509324×1018 electrons (or protons), the reciprocal of 1.60217657×10−19.

Go ahead, refute that.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 16, 2014, 06:22:37 AM
conventional electrical engineering and physics. The proof is in the DOING and you cannot do.



ad hominem and baseless claims.    I retired at 32, Ive been experimenting all my life.


I didnt deny the "electron microscope" son,  only yours and others BS definition of what is being emitted.

ALL subjects in said microscope that aren't metallic, are coated in a CONDUCTOR.


Yes, as necessitated to make a dielectric imaging device.


“To describe an electron as a negatively charged body is equivalent to saying that it is an expanding-contracting particle. There is
no such condition in nature as a negative charge, nor are there negatively charged particles. Charge and discharge are opposite
conditions, as filling and emptying, or compressing and expanding are opposite conditions.”

Thomson developed the “Ether Atom” ideas of M. Faraday into his “Electronic Corpuscle”, this indivisible unit. One corpuscle
terminates on one Faradic tube of force, and this quantifies as one Coulomb. This corpuscle is not and electron, it is a constituent of
what today is known incorrectly as an “electron”. (Thomson relates 1000 corpuscles per electron) In this view, that taken by W.
Crookes, J.J. Thomson, and N. Tesla, the cathode ray is not electrons, but in actuality corpuscles of the Ether.”


With the introduction of the so-called ‘electron’ by Thomson and the supposed debunking of the Ether theory, the golden age of
electrical discovery ended. Tesla's Wardenclyffe tower was demolished. His work and that of other Ether researchers fell into
disrepute. They were relentlessly attacked by mainstream science, something that continues to this day. As a result, the days of Etherdriven,
electrical discovery petered-out, finally ending around 1930. As a direct and intentional result of the academic physics theory,
the methodology behind the brilliant inventiveness of previous generations was all but wiped out and replaced by an unproductive
particle physics. This, from the cult of quantum, a fraudulent collusion and academic hubris-based pseudo-conspiracy based in “deep
thinking insanity” designed by mathematical physics.


You lost again.   Insert 25 cents more.  ;D
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 16, 2014, 06:26:10 AM
Go ahead and show a MODERN REFERENCE


Thats a bandwaggon fallacy.


"most people are Christians or muslims, therefore if you arent, then you are wrong"

Sorry, I only "do" logic and retroductive methodology.   Not nonsense



You've been chasing dragons all your life son.  Now you're upset to learn that dragons (unicorn particles and pixie dust) dont exist.



Ill stick with the people that invented the modern world


Tesla,

Faraday

Maxwell

Steinmetz

Heaviside.



Im on their side.   The side of the people that actually invented the modern world, son.


Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 16, 2014, 06:35:36 AM
The proof is in the DOING and you cannot do.



I hold 4 patents,...........  yourself?

 ;D  ;D



"there are those that DO, and those that TALK about those that DO"


You need to take a break and read Tesla, or Maxwell


Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: e2matrix on July 16, 2014, 07:12:10 AM
Very sad but at least Tesla is becoming a bigger figure every day.   Google's Elon Musk just donated a million dollars for the new Tesla museum.   Tesla is becoming more in the spotlight every day.   Who will remember Paris in a hundred years ?   Or even 50 years.   
They just need to rewrite some history and science books now.   



All your explanations TheoriaApophasis .....   I'm beginning to see it.  In fact it is making way too much good sense ;)   


So TK you always talk about needing proof.   I want some proof now from you.   Show me a picture of an electron.   I mean a real picture and not those fuzzy IBM pics of some molecules which are no more than pics of a field.     Well ?     ........      sinister laughing   
 
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 16, 2014, 07:23:32 AM
Tesla is becoming more in the spotlight every day.

Yes, but the cult of Quantum and Relativity demons are still roaming the halls of academia like roaches in packs.

They invent a new "unicorn particle" every time they need something new to make their equations balance out.    ;D


Ive debated quite a few,  what really makes them INSANELY MAD is ask them simple questions like a child would.

 "whats a field really?"

"define instant action at a distance since this eliminates particles as mediators"

"define particle-less charge / induction please".



I have a 1000 such questions I love to ask these self-appointed gods of hypocracy and idiocy.


Its OK TO NOT KNOW,  its not ok to tell everyone you DO know, and teach the same fairy dust and unicorn nonsense.


These evil demons have reified SPACE as a "thing" that "does things"

Tesla called this a pure insanity, which it is.




I recall it was Bill Gaede who went around the circle of academic slime asking them to diagram ONE HYDROGEN atom.

He said, "one proton, one electron,   you have a PHD in physics, SURELY you can do it??!!!"


All of them got mad and wouldn't (couldn't) do it.   They flipped and flopped, and wiggled and squirmed.

While Gaede has some insane beliefs, he is right about one thing, the Cult of Quantum is a religious academia of BS.


Evil demons like the late Ricky Feynmann.


When the supposed ‘expert’ and Hollywood-scientist and academic fraud Richard Feynman was asked to explain what magnetism
is, how it works, sitting in his chair, he twitched and squirmed like a frog on a hotplate, wiggling and dodging the question, then
deflects, and finally says its too complex (for mere mortals) to understand. Eventually he concedes he cannot explain these “forces”.
This rather infamous video of a worm on a hotplate can be found everywhere. Likewise, his book so highly praised by his hubris filled
academic stooges, “QED strange theory of light and matter” explains magnetism away with angels and unicorns, or rather I should
accurately say “virtual photons”, of which there is no quantitative difference between unicorns and the ‘sage’ academic explanation of
“virtual photons”, both are patently absurd and offend even the common sense of a ten year old child and people collectively.
This is all of course is against Feynman’s own proclamation that------
 “if you can’t explain it to a six year old, then you really don’t understand it”. In this case, the absurdity of unreal particles and mythical abstractions might be enjoyed conceptually by someone with
the mind of a six year old.

 All these mathematical reifications, sadly, fall in line with the unscientific and irrational mythos of
mathematical physics (Greek Atomism in reality) of which one of its key proponents declares “when common sense fails (to explain
things rationally), uncommon sense must be created” L. Susskind.
    ;D   ;D   ;D

Nothing was more perturbing and aggravating than watching the demon Richard Feynman sitting in his chair twitching and
squirming and fidgeting like a frog on a frying pan when being asked very simplex and logical questions “how does magnetism
work?”, “how does one magnet attract another, and what is the medium of this attraction?”. Finally after flopping like a fish on dry
land for an enormous amount of time he states: “I cannot answer it in a manner in which you can understand it or that is familiar to
you”. That idiots with degrees and acclaim are looked to like the Pope, a clueless fool put on a pedestal, is a timeless human failing,
and can be forgiven. However when people assume they know what something is (if they care at all), they do not go looking for the
answer to what they already assume they know.'

That Feynman and others have declared (as he has done in his mystical book: QED strange theory of light and matter) that
magnetism is mediated by “virtual photons” is no different than the Pope declaring mother Marry as healing a sick child from a
pendant worn at the neck. Humanity has placed, as dept. chairs in countless universities and likewise, heads of mathematics and
physics, people who are quite literally insane, are deep thinkers, but insane ones. The insane asylums of the world are full of genuinely
deep thinkers, however it is not for sake of deep thinking they are locked up and away from others! So, taking a cue from Quantum
mysticism we then ask the expert (fool) relativist “since you declare magnetism to be mediated by ‘virtual photons’, what is same?”.


Answer received? Yes, here we have it:-
-------- “A virtual particle is an abstraction, which facilitates in calculations and understanding, the
term is very vague and loosely defined, they never appear as inputs or outputs of experiments, their existence is questionable at
best,…however they are very useful in rendering concepts and making equations balance out”. Well, insanity has been reified, at last!
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 16, 2014, 01:26:39 PM
It's all fine and dandy to paste reams and reams of text and use hysterical rhetoric.  But then when presented with a real-world example of something related to electronics or electromagnetics the "text pasters" usually go belly-up.  Lots of "bla bla bla" but no action.  Chances are you don't even understand how a coil actually works.

We are back in the realm of pantomime and dandyism.  It's a form of bloatware.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 16, 2014, 03:54:44 PM
OK,so i read your book T.A ,and i must say,it is quite interesting and well writen.
I !for now! will shut up,and await your up and comeing video demo's. Seems you are against the odd's,but everyone deserve's a shot at putting there case forward.

After all-it is the people that go out on a limb that bring to light the new discoveries.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 16, 2014, 08:33:43 PM
Chances are you don't even understand how a coil actually works.



I have HAND wound at LEAST 20 coils this year alone,   yourself?
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 16, 2014, 08:37:20 PM
OK,so i read your book T.A ,and i must say,it is quite interesting and well writen.
I !for now! will shut up,and await your up and comeing video demo's. Seems you are against the odd's,but everyone deserve's a shot at putting there case forward.

After all-it is the people that go out on a limb that bring to light the new discoveries.


I'm always out in a limb,  been there my whole life.  No worries.
Ehh, there are quite a few typos in this edition..., and my writing style typically rubs people the wrong way.   Likely comes from reading too much Greek and hyper-condensed thought process writing.


Have a nice week.


lux et veritas
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: nathan97 on July 16, 2014, 10:15:12 PM
The book is really interesting ... I just started reading it ... may be it's worth to take a look at Ivor Catt work as well ...
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 17, 2014, 01:05:33 AM


I have HAND wound at LEAST 20 coils this year alone,   yourself?

The answer is ZERO.  The problem is that your "answer" has nothing to do with the comment.

For example, can you state how a coil works in a typical pulse circuit?  Say a Bedini motor or any other simple pulse circuit.

I am asking you for a serious answer.  If you respond and get it right then great.  If you respond and get it wrong or respond with something that is off-issue I will let you know also.  I am looking for light and truth from you.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: SeaMonkey on July 17, 2014, 01:26:22 AM
Quote from: MilesHigher (This has a more manly ring to it)
The answer is ZERO.  The problem is that your "answer" has nothing to do with the comment.

Hmmm.  Unless the person who is winding the coils
is doing it exclusively as physical therapy I would
disagree.

Those who take the time to wind coils by hand generally
have knowledge about what they are doing and have the
ability to put their creations to work in some productive
application.

Never-the-less, I look forward to the continuation of this
discussion.  Something tells me we all may learn something
new in this process;  something we haven't until now seriously
considered.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 17, 2014, 03:40:17 AM
1. I am asking you for a serious answer. 
2. I am looking for light and truth from you.


1. No, you're not, you are pre-loading a question.
2. No, you are not, you're probing for a "crack in the facade" you can drive a wedge in to tear someone down.


You still labor under the false illusion I am trying to convince of you something, of anything.

Wisdom and discovery are their own reward, they don't need validation.

I dropped the sack of seed out there, you can grow it, eat it, flush it, trash it, tell others its 'rotten'

Any one of those scenarios is fine.


There are some people in this twisted world that don't want money or fame or thanks or rewards, but have a pure desire merely to KNOW and understand.

I would rather die tomorrow understanding the great mysteries of the universe than live to be 90 with a house full of expensive toys and cute grandchildren.


You do as you wish  ;)

Lux et veritas
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 17, 2014, 04:32:33 AM
Theoria,

There you go, you responded with something off-issue.  For all of your attitude and puffing out of your chest about your supposed proof of a magnetic vortex, you actually don't understand how a bloody coil works. You can't even describe how one works in a simple pulse circuit.  My how the great have fallen.  That's valuable information for anyone reading this thread.

Indeed, you are also unable to correctly interpret the Moire pattern on a CRT monitor.

Veritatem Tantum

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: SeaMonkey on July 17, 2014, 04:54:30 AM
Quote from: TheoriaApophasis
You still labor under the false illusion I am trying to
convince you of something, of anything.

Wisdom and discovery are their own reward, they don't
need validation.

I dropped the sack of seed out there, you can grow it,
eat it, flush it, trash it, tell others it's 'rotten.'

Any of those scenarios is fine.

Very uncommon wisdom.  Particularly in this day and
age where Love of Money, Corruption and Deception
have become major elements of the society in
unprecedented proportions.

It is true.  Some are driven by an enormous desire to
know Truth about all things.  Knowledge can be a
reward unto itself.

Live and let live.

Your approach is producing quite an effect on certain
others who may have less wholesome motives.

Way to go.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 17, 2014, 05:22:44 AM
Indeed, you are also unable to correctly interpret the Moire pattern on a CRT monitor.


You have no idea what you are talking about there.  I created ANOTHER video 2 days ago using a GRID pattern to prove the Magnetic-Vortex results have NOTHING to do with the Vortex Moire pattern I used in the first 2 videos.


As such,........ that SOUNDLY denounces your premise that I was being fooled by using a vortex Moire' pattern in the testing.


As I have informed you before, I have (now) 8 different physical models for proof of the vortex pattern

charged graphite
CRT
ferrofluid in alcohol with microbeading
precession centripetal countermagnetic movement
bismuth dust in mineral oil

............etc etc etc........         I dont need OR want, or AM seeking your validation of anything, FOR anything, regarding anything.



clips from same, refuting you,..... pictures attached-----




My how the great have fallen. 



Thanks for proving my last post was 100% accurate.    ;)


Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 17, 2014, 08:36:20 AM
Hi TheoriaApophasis,

I'm interested in how to instantly dump the momentum of an object without any resultant inertia or effects on the subject (see snapshot below as found on page 43).  Theoretically, if we can instantly transfer the whole momentum from a heavier object to a lighter object, then we can make as much excess energy as we like according to KE = 0.5 * mv2.  You said this may be accomplished from a non-local inductive source.  Are you willing to point me to this source?  If not, then I will seek it out on my own!   

A 5 kg mass moving 1 m/s has 5 units of momentum and has a kinetic energy of 2.5J.  A 1 kg mass moving 5 m/s has 5 units of momentum and has a kinetic energy of 12.5J

12.5J > 2.5J !!!

Thanks,

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 17, 2014, 08:51:08 AM
You are still not understanding the twisting of the picture on the CRT screen.

Here is the answer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdh2srqH57M&list=UU6x7DywfEqLg-3Cg_JnyTlg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdh2srqH57M&list=UU6x7DywfEqLg-3Cg_JnyTlg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w41Zijsv46o&list=UU6x7DywfEqLg-3Cg_JnyTlg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w41Zijsv46o&list=UU6x7DywfEqLg-3Cg_JnyTlg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcVzfTAK8fk&list=UU6x7DywfEqLg-3Cg_JnyTlg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcVzfTAK8fk&list=UU6x7DywfEqLg-3Cg_JnyTlg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG2aQUD8xt0&list=UU6x7DywfEqLg-3Cg_JnyTlg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG2aQUD8xt0&list=UU6x7DywfEqLg-3Cg_JnyTlg)

There is no "magnetic vortex" at all.  The magnetic field from your stationary magnet in front of the CRT screen will be stationary, static and unchanging.  The electron beam gets deflected because of V cross B and that results in a Moire pattern on the screen because of the electron beam passing through the "wrong" holes in the shadow mask resulting in the "wrong" colour phosphors being illuminated.  Sometimes the beam is bent but you don't get a Moire pattern and instead you get a twisted image.  It's the stuff of a Grade 7 science fair project.

So why do you get the big black area and the bright white area in the center?
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 17, 2014, 09:47:52 AM
There is no "magnetic vortex" at all.  The magnetic field from your stationary magnet

Im so sorry you have NO idea what you're talking about.  A learning defect of some variety I assume.


Actually its just garden variety hubris to be sure.

A: As per the CRT, you might notice (which you did not), that there are 2 twisted fields, one along the centrifugal (as see by anyone with eyeballs) and one OPPOSITE along the centripetal. As such your logomachy doesnt "fly".   (SEE PICS BELOW)

B: If you think for 1 second there is any such thing as a "stationary magnetic field" (forgetting for a second about a VORTEX), then the late N. Tesla, Heaviside, Maxwell, and others would like to boot you for that insanity.

C:  Its alas unfortunate that your purposeful selected memory left out the last post in which I stated I have 8 DIFFERENT DEMONSTRATIONS of vortex movement

only 1 of which is CRT.


I notice you left out that 800 pound gorilla I planted on your head in the last post.


Suggest you read people that actually know what theyre talking about
Tesla,  JC Maxwell, Oliver Heaviside, CP Steinmetz.     You know nothing about magnetic reciprocation.



So why do you get the big black area and the bright white area in the center?

You see, son, I actually DO the experiments, you think you understand but you dont.

IF placed ONLY on the centrifugal edge you will GET NO BRIGHT SPOT IN THE CENTER, absolutely NOTHING.   ;D  ;D  ;D

however you can see that in an upcoming video.   I love they way you assume things.   The bright spot in the center, son, only appears when there is a centripetal magnetic vortex present.

And ONLY then.       You amuse me.   What you dont know is that you are trying to convince yourself of your own nonsense, not me of yours (nonsense that is).







and instead you get a twisted image.

What a sad soul you are, son.  ;) Your twisted-mind twisted-image pseudo-pontification leaves out the fact that a TWISTED image doesn't INVERT ITS TWIST at the center from centrifugal movement to centripetal, and/or vice verse as I amply demonstrate.

100% failure on your part herein.



By the way son,  ANY magnetometer will tell you about centrifugal and centripetal GAUSS reading differentials.

start watching at 2:50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTWYAFJuq7M&list=UUh3cY-IW8QsEFmAh-TAWwrw



I am sorry you have no idea in the least what you are talking about.   I do love the fact that you failed to mention:

I have (now) 8 different physical models for proof of the vortex pattern

charged graphite
CRT
ferrofluid in alcohol with microbeading
precession centripetal countermagnetic movement
bismuth dust in mineral oil



You aren't trying to convince ME of anything, rather convince YOURSELF of your well-accepted and closed minded insane assumptions about what you THINK you know about magnetism, but, in fact, have no idea.


Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 17, 2014, 10:09:19 AM

Heads up son
. I am adding 2 more videos of magnetic vortex movement tonight that have NOTHING to do with CRT tubes, AND use 2 wholly different testing materials.

   ;D ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6je5P1BOp3A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfqNkmqXfn4

veni vidi vici , son

"People that surround themselves with those who only agree with them are demons and afraid of their ignorance being refuted" - Jennings



AND,  5 more videos upcoming using 5 WHOLLY different testing materials.


Maybe, in your logomachy and hubris, you can attempt (and fail) to discount the 7 other methods.



You do amuse me, but keep trying to convince yourself.   


I do the experiments, and you talk. 


 Which do you think is the more useful, the more valuable?    ;D  ;D

HERE IS A VIDEO I COLLECTED EXACTLY FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45a75U5yOP0


AND THE BEST OF THEM, JUST FOR YOU:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLJMqSAkXEc

 ;D


“Scientists today think deeply rather than clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.
Todays scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander thru equation after equation, and eventually build a
structure which has no basis in reality.” – Nikola Tesla

“Nothing is more fantastical and a travesty of how nature works than is quantum theory. Its very basis has no relationship to reality.”
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on July 17, 2014, 02:15:27 PM
TA,

My thanks in in someone (you) finally putting that long winded loud mouthed schnook in his place.

Its just a shame a few of the others didn't take a kick at the tar baby.

Regards...

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: CANGAS on July 17, 2014, 04:36:53 PM
@TA: I am so embarrassed. I just realized that you have won a free question, but I didn't notice it until now.

FREE QUESTION FOR TA .......Tell me what Michael Faraday concluded re the motion of the magnetic field after he glued the magnet to his Faraday Disk Generator and spinned it up and measured the current output. 1832 I think.

Also tell me the result of the Cramp Norgrove experiment. 1934 I think.

If you answer correctly I will notify my Nigerian branch office to immediately send you a large reward check. Or wire it directly to your bank account. Please give me your banking information in the post with your answer. 


CANGAS 54
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: ramset on July 17, 2014, 08:22:56 PM
CapZro
Naaaah
we don't tar and feather here anymore  [Stefan doesn't approve ] and Steel cage matches are temporarily suspended  [something about Biting ??]


just good old fashioned discussion will have to do for now [hopefully with respect]


 




Thx
Chet
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: CANGAS on July 17, 2014, 09:57:28 PM
@TA: I am so embarrassed. I just realized that you have won a free question, but I didn't notice it until now.

FREE QUESTION FOR TA .......Tell me what Michael Faraday concluded re the motion of the magnetic field after he glued the magnet to his Faraday Disk Generator and spinned it up and measured the current output. 1832 I think.

Also tell me the result of the Cramp Norgrove experiment. 1934 I think.

If you answer correctly I will notify my Nigerian branch office to immediately send you a large reward check. Or wire it directly to your bank account. Please give me your banking information in the post with your answer. 


CANGAS 54


An obscure hint for TA:
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Nature of a Magnetic Field
Cramp, William
Nature, Volume 134, Issue 3378, pp. 139 (1934).

    IN a paper read before Section A of the British Association last year, I gave some account of experiments made by Dr. Norgrove and myself on cylindrical magnets and solenoids spinning about their axes. These experiments forced us towards the conclusion that even in the strongest permanent magnet there was no evidence of any attachment between the metal and the system of tubes of induction to which it is supposed to give rise. All our tests then and since have only confirmed Faraday's words as to the ``singular independence of the magnetism and the bar in which it resides''.

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CANGAS 55
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on July 17, 2014, 10:43:59 PM
CapZro
Naaaah
we don't tar and feather here anymore  [Stefan doesn't approve ] and Steel cage matches are temporarily suspended  [something about Biting ??]


just good old fashioned discussion will have to do for now [hopefully with respect]


 

You have your reference crossed Chet...try googling br'er rabbit and the tar baby.

Regards...





Thx
Chet
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 17, 2014, 10:48:45 PM

An obscure hint for TA:

Yes, I know that quote, see below


That space is posterior to all fields, and that there are no "fields expanding into space" (my ongoing assertion) was backed up using the formulas and conclusions of the well acclaimed Oleg D. Jefimenko

jefimenko
(October 14, 1922, Kharkiv, Ukraine - May 14, 2009, Morgantown, West Virginia, USA) - physicist and Professor Emeritus at West Virginia University.

Biography
He received his Ph.D. at the University of Oregon (1956).In 1956, he was awarded the Sigma Xi Prize. In 1971 and 1973, he won awards in the AAPT Apparatus Competition. Jefimenko has constructed and operated electrostatic generators run by atmospheric electricity.






Several authors have asserted that the magnetic field due to an electric current is a relativistic effect. This assertion is based on the fact that if one assumes that the interaction between electric charges is entirely due to the electric field, then the relativistic force transformation equations make it imperative that a second field - the magnetic field - is present when the charges are moving. However, as is shown in this paper, if one assumes that the interaction between moving electric charges is entirely due to the magnetic field, then the same relativistic force transformation equations make it imperative that a second field - this time the electric field - is also present. Therefore, since it is impossible to interpret both the electric and the magnetic field as relativistic effects, one must conclude that neither field is a relativistic effect. The true meaning of the calculations demonstrating the alleged relativistic nature of the magnetic field and of the calculations presented in this paper is, therefore, that the idea of a single force field, be it magnetic or electric, is incompatible with the relativity theory.



As is clear from equations (1)–(15) and (23), relativistic
force transformation equations demand the presence of
an electric field when the interactions between electric
charges are assumed to be entirely due to a magnetic
force. We could interpret this result as the evidence
that the electric field is a relativistic effect. But the
well known fact that similar calculations demand the
presence of a magnetic field, if the interactions between
the charges are assumed to be entirely due to an electric
force, makes such an interpretation impossible (unless
we are willing to classify both the magnetic and the
electric field as relativistic effects, which is absurd).
We must conclude therefore that neither the magnetic
nor the electric field is a relativistic effect
.
The only correct interpretation of our results must
then be that interactions between electric charges that
are either entirely velocity independent or entirely
velocity dependent is incompatible with the relativity
theory. Both fields—the electric field (producing a force
independent
of the velocity of the charge experiencing
the force) and the magnetic field (producing a force
dependent
on the velocity of the charge experiencing
the force)—are necessary to make interactions between
electric charges relativistically correct. By inference
then, any force field compatible with the relativity theory
must have an electric-like ‘subfield’ and a magnetic-like
‘subfield’





if force is defined as the cause of acceleration, then the
equation F = ma , where F  is the force and a  is the acceleration, is a causal equation by
definition.

Force IS (coeternal) MxA, not Force “is the product of (CAUSATION)” ma

Proving again, that there causation is spatial, and space are in fields, but no fields in space.






Let us apply these considerations to the basic electromagnetic field laws. Traditionally
these laws are represented by the four Maxwell’s equations, which, in their differential form,
are
∇ · D = ρ,  (1)
∇ · B =  0,  (2)
∇ Å~E = −∂B
∂t
,  (3)
and
∇ Å~H = J  +
∂D
∂t
,  (4)
where E  is the electric field vector, D  is the displacement vector,H  is themagnetic field vector,
B  is the magnetic flux density vector, J  is the current density vector, and ρ  is the electric charge
density. For fields in a vacuum,Maxwell’s equations are supplemented by the two constitutive
equations,
D = ε0E  (5)
and
B = μ0H,  (6)
where ε0  is the permittivity of space, and μ0  is the permeability of space.
Since none of the four Maxwell’s equations is defined to be a causal relation, and since
each of these equations connects quantities simultaneous in time, none of these equations
represents a causal relation. That is, ∇ · D  is not a consequence of ρ  (and vice versa),∇ Å~E
 is not a consequence of ∂B/∂t  (and vice versa), and∇ Å~H  is not a consequence of J  + ∂D/∂t
 (and vice versa). Thus, Maxwell’s equations, even though they are basic electromagnetic
equations (since most electromagnetic relations are derivable from them), do not depict causeand-
effect relations between electromagnetic

It is traditionally asserted that, according toMaxwell’s equation (3), a changing magnetic field
produces an electric field (‘Faraday induction’) and that, according toMaxwell’s equation (4),
a changing electric field produces a magnetic field (‘Maxwell induction’). The very useful
and successful method of calculating induced voltage (emf) in terms of changing magnetic
flux appears to support the reality of Faraday induction. And the existence of electromagnetic
waves appears to support the reality of both Faraday induction and Maxwell induction. Note,
however, that as explained in section 1, Maxwell’s equation (3), which is usually considered
as depicting Faraday induction, does not represent a cause-and-effect relation because in this
equation the electric and the magnetic field is evaluated for the same moment of time. Note also
that in electromagnetic waves electric and magnetic fields are in phase, that is, simultaneous
in time, and hence, according to the principle of causality (which states that the cause always
precedes its effect), the two fields cannot cause each other (by the principle of causality, the
fields should be out of phase if they create each other).



And there is one more fact that supports the conclusion that what we call ‘electromagnetic
induction’ is not the creation of one of the two fields by the other. In the covariant formulation
of electrodynamics, electric and magnetic fields appear as components of one single entity—
the electromagnetic field tensor (dielectric). Quite clearly, a component of a tensor cannot be a cause of
another component of the same tensor, just like a component of a vector cannot be a cause of
another component of the same vector.
electromagnetic field tensor (sometimes called the field strength tensor, Faraday tensor or Maxwell bivector) is a mathematical object that describes the electromagnetic field of a physical system.







Hence electromagnetic induction as a phenomenon in which one of the fields
creates the other is an illusion. The illusion of the ‘mutual creation’ arises from the facts
that in time-dependent systems the two fields always appear prominently together, while their
causative sources (the time-variable current in particular) remain in the background1 .


1 The author has been unable to determine by whom, where and why it was first suggested that changing electric and
magnetic fields create each other. One thing appears certain however—the idea did not originate with either Faraday
or Maxwell.






Presenting electromagnetic theory in
accordance with the principle of
causality
On the other hand, equations (7) and (8) show
that in time-variable systems electric and magnetic fields are always created simultaneously,
because these fields have a common causative source: the changing electric current [∂J/∂t ]
(the last term of equation (7) and the last term in the integral of equation (8)).
It is important to note that neither Faraday (who discovered the phenomenon of
electromagnetic induction) nor Maxwell (who gave it a mathematical formulation) explained
this phenomenon as the generation of an electric field by a magnetic field (or vice versa).
After discovering the electromagnetic induction, Faraday wrote in a letter of November
29, 1831, addressed to his friend Richard Phillips [4]:
‘When an electric current is passed through one of two parallel wires it causes at first a
current in the same direction through the other, but this induced current does not last a moment
notwithstanding the inducing current (from the Voltaic battery) is continued. . . , but when the
current is stopped then a return current occurs in the wire under induction of about the same
intensity andmomentary duration but in the opposite direction to that first found. Electricity in
currents therefore exerts an inductive action like ordinary electricity (electrostatics, ODJ) but
subject to peculiar laws: the effects are a current in the same direction when the induction is
established, a reverse current when the induction ceases and a peculiar state in the interim. . . .’
Quite clearly, Faraday speaks of an inducing current , and not at all of an inducingmagnetic
field . (In the same letter Faraday referred to the induction bymagnets as a ‘very powerful proof’
of the existence of Amperian currents responsible for magnetization.)


where ε0 is the permittivity of space, and μ0 is the permeability of space. Since none of the four Maxwell’s equations is defined to be a causal relation, and since each of these equations connects quantities simultaneous in time, none of these equations represents a causal relation. That is, ∇ · D is not a consequence of ρ (and vice versa),∇ Å~E is not a consequence of ∂B/∂t (and vice versa), and∇ Å~H is not a consequence of J + ∂D/∂t (and vice versa). Thus, Maxwell’s equations, even though they are basic electromagnetic equations (since most electromagnetic relations are derivable from them), do not depict cause-and-effect relations between electromagnetic reactions




As per:  "instantaneous action at a distance (within fields)" Of course there is, within fields 'instant action at a distance' without propagation speeds

(as proved by Tesla and Dollard and others regarding longitudinal field propagation).

But that the entire PREMISE is 100% flawed, regarding the statement of: "instantaneous action at a distance"

Field pressure gradients are not IN space nor therefore a modality of time.

So what is going on "instantly" is merely field inductions, pressures occurring "under" and preceding space which is merely a modality of any field.

So, taking the common phrase regarding fields (mag, grav, dielectric): " "instantaneous action at a distance"

we have removed the "INSTANTANEOUS" part as merely a human perceptual flaw of immanent fields within which there is space (but never a field IN space, rather space as attributional to or of a field).

"ACTION" can be removed, since we are only talking about field pressure gradients, inductions, charges and discharges. There are no "moment actions", since actions are comparators over 2 points in time. However the case is is that what something is in Principle it is in Attribute, likewise therefore deductively we can speak of X as both a THING/PRINCIPLE, and an ACTION/ATTRIBUTE, ........such as light-illumination, or will-willing. The very co-eternal principles, also, of and to any field.

"DISTANCE" can likewise therefore be eliminated, since we are talking about the attribute and EFFECT WITHIN any field(s). There are no "distances" , since this is a conceptual abstraction of fields which are impinging/interacting within / to/ against etc. each other.


ANY retardations of field action-propagation are logically only merely resistances encountered from intervening field-modality inductions/capacitance; or field voidance or counter-voidance pressures


So, having eliminated all 3 main words within "instantaneous action at a distance", whats left? Only fields logically. .... Well, we are left with "AT"

Field pressure AT another field
Electricity terminating AT X as magnetism
Magnetic moving its attribute (space) AT a dielectric ( which = dielectric inertial plane torque = electrification)
Your body AT a location in space AT which another body's centripetal convergent gravitational field is acting AT yours.



By the way, for the GREEKS, space IS an attribute of a field (χώρα). "Look at the wide open space here (IN THE FIELD IM STANDING IN)" !
again, space is a field-effect-attribute.


Space as a principle, cannot , shall not , may not, never will definitionally be anything other than a concept when speaking about merely "space (ltself)".
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 17, 2014, 11:07:26 PM
CANGAS 54


Unipolar nonsense.


" The similarity between cylindrical magnets and solenoids is examined, as well as the effect produced by one spinning magnet upon another."



That statement of something "new" is merely due to a lack of understanding of the field geometry IN a magnet being nearly identical to any conventional solenoid.

(SEE PIC BELOW)-----



Every 360 degrees of a single cycle of the turn of a magnet you have:
2 Ether-field modalities: dielectricity and magnetism (of course).
6 total pressure domain fluctuations, 2 centripetal, 2 centrifugal, and 2 dielectric
and.....10 field-boundary gradients



Faraday was the originator of the concept of =the magnetic field, (which is described in terms of "magnetic curves" our present day "magnetic lines of force") however HE NEVER SO MUCH AS SUGGESTED in his works that induced currents were a resultant of changing magnetic fields. ON THE CONTRARY, he clearly associated the phenomena of electromagnetic induction with changing electrical currents.

As per Maxwell, he TOO considered EM induction as a phenomena in which a current (or EM force) is induced in a circuit. but not as a phenomena in which a changing magnetic field causes an electrical field. He CLEARLY said tha the induced EM force is "MEASURED BY, not CAUSED BY the changing mag field"  

Just as Faraday, he made NO allusion to ANY CAUSAL link between magnetic and electric fields


----- Dr. Oleg D. Jefimenko


BOOK :   CAUSALITY, ELECTROMAGNETIC INDUCTION AND GRAVITATION




The below picture, to which you allude is only a backwards method of a TOTAL lack of understanding from Faraday that ANY "magnet" is a dominant dielectric device with a specific magneto-dielectric geometry.    ;D  ;D

Hes saying the same thing I am, in a slightly diff. way.



Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 18, 2014, 03:03:58 AM
Here's a fun clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMhwddNQSWQ
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 18, 2014, 03:37:16 AM
Here's a fun clip


Heres another picture, ..but its not a vortex


Oh wait, yes it is.
   ;D

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 18, 2014, 03:44:17 AM
When the electron bean encounters the static toroidal magnetic field it is induced along some sort of curved path.  For every angle the beam is currently at, a unique curved deflection path is taken.  Two beams that are very close in angle to each other will take similar, but not necessarily the same relative deflection paths.  There can be a spread, a.k.a. divergence, in the paths.  If you can envision a matrix of separate beams in a horizontal and vertical grid, then as the "matrix of beams" travels through the toroidal magnetic field, the many divergent but similar beam paths can form a "twist"

So the crux of the matter is that the static magnetic field is making the overall form of the electron beam raster scan twist before it strikes the phosphors.  But Theoria is seemingly incapable of visualizing or understanding this.  He sees the effects of magnetic fields causing circular motion and incorrectly believes that the magnetic field itself is in some kind of circular motion.  Magnetic fields form closed loops but that doesn't mean that they are in some kind of vortex or circular motion.  It's nothing more than an abject failure to understand that is at the root of this bizarre proposition.

Likewise, Theoria is unable to explain why there is a black circular void with a bright white spot at the center that is shown in several of his clips.  Instead, he tries to point to another example that does not show a circular void and claims "victory."  The embarrassed fanboys say nothing because their brains are wired to believe in the underdog no mater what.  Hey, Magnacoaster might ship one day.  If Theoria knows what he is talking about he should be able to explain the circular voids.  I can explain them.

It's like a Monty Python skit sometimes when a very colorful character shows up.  But the real thing is to try to visualize what is really going on by applying your knowledge about how a charged particle will be deflected into a circular type of path when it travels through a magnetic field. You have to take that knowledge and apply it to what you are observing in your experiments and arrive at the right conclusion through understanding and logical deduction.  That's the real deal when you strip it down to the bare bones.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 18, 2014, 03:50:26 AM
.  There can be a spread, a.k.a. divergence, in the paths.


Wonderful "off the cuff" speculation ....and like an old man with a vasectomy, you're "shooting blanks" , intellectually.

We arent on CRT anymore, but onto 8 other methods of showing magnetic vortex.

In case you didnt notice, those TEST TUBES pics above dont have jack to do with CRT tubes.


You amuse me, like a monkey I once saw in India, it was scratching its ass looking for fleas.



Keep trying to convince yourself.


Theoria is unable to explain why there is a black circular void with a bright white spot at the center that is shown in several of his clips.




I explained it perfectly, ....that you DONT ACCEPT the answer, is not the same as  "DIDN'T answer".


Strawman fallacy my little son.   ;D
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 18, 2014, 04:06:03 AM
Everything I stated in my previous posting is true.

Wow, something that looks like a vortex in a test tube.  How do you expect anybody to comment on what you are showing if you don't fully describe the experiment and what you are doing?

"Special solution?"  "Special suspension?"  "Something else you won't describe?"  So it's all a big secret?

You are not proving anything with the test tubes because you refuse to tell your audience about the experiment yet you attempt to offer that as proof?

You are absolutely failing to argue many of your points with any logic, reason, facts, or experimental data that is correctly described and interpreted.  Instead you play the high-strung bombastic "mad scientist."

Every single one of your supposed proofs has a logical explanation.  I am confident enough to state that without seeing them.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 18, 2014, 04:21:27 AM
Quote
I explained it perfectly, ....that you DONT ACCEPT the answer, is not the same as  "DIDN'T answer".

Here is your "explanation:"

Quote
You see, son, I actually DO the experiments, you think you understand but you dont.

IF placed ONLY on the centrifugal edge you will GET NO BRIGHT SPOT IN THE CENTER, absolutely NOTHING.   (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/grin.gif)  (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/grin.gif)  (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/grin.gif)

however you can see that in an upcoming video.   I love they way you assume things.   The bright spot in the center, son, only appears when there is a centripetal magnetic vortex present.

And ONLY then.

I have news for you.  The people that read this forum, even the rabid believers, are not totally retarded.  The fact is that you didn't answer.  I conclude that the reason for your failure to explain the black voids is because you simply don't know the answer.  That means behind all of your bluster is a little scared guy that is afraid to show that he is human and doesn't have the knowledge, education, and experience to demonstrate that he really and truly knows what he is talking about.  It's a dichotomy that you have to deal with and it must cause you some stress.  Just how long can you be "On" before you get exhausted I wonder.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 18, 2014, 04:22:18 AM
Everything I stated in my previous posting is true.

Sorry, this slot machine doesn't accept CLAIMS.


Wow, something that looks like a vortex in a test tube. 

"wow", son, isnt a rebuttal, its a statement of stupor.

Actually if you have your eye close against same, you can see the vortex movement. AND likewise, just like a waterspout, the inner vortex which looks identical to the pic below:



"Special solution?"  "Special suspension?"  "Something else you won't describe?"  So it's all a big secret?

Since you've never invented anything, let me tell you how it works.  Generally (always) when people invent something NEW, they dont tell anyone about the specifics until there is patent or rights protection.

Typically people spend a LOT OF TIME creating things, and after doing so, they dont give away the information on their inventions (until protected)

Maybe you should go look that fact up in the "Dictionary of Insanely Obvious Facts"


You are not proving anything with the test tubes

Nice claim,  however the video and the invention speaks for itself.   If you were here, you could demo it yourself.

Tell you what son,  whats more plausible, my video proof and pics or your lips flapping?   Yes, thats right.

You want a FAST duplication of this effect of my invention?  Use 1 teaspoon of salt in a test tube, hot water, bring it to FULL saturation.... and 10 drops of ferrofluid in the tube.   The effect is VERY FAST, but also the same.
Now, go test it yourself, son.


experimental data that is correctly described and interpreted.


Small error son, the ONLY person here doing EXPERIMENTS, is myself.   

Unless you think your lip flapping is , what,......an experiment itself?

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: john_doe on July 18, 2014, 04:24:30 AM
I've spent quite a bit of money experimenting with magnets for some time now and I've come to similar conclusions as Theoria.

The three things I'd like to mention that some may not know:

A: The magnetic "field" isn't static in repeatable experiments conducted by Eugene Podkletnov.
B: This "field" "seems to affect objects at a distance at a speed of 64c." IE: 64x the speed of light.  (No wonder it appears "static")
C: OverUnity is valid science and is being investigate by ALL astrophysicist........ Although they simply call it "Big Bang Theory". Yes, the fact the universe is expanding at an ever increasing speed confirms OverUnity to me. (Though additional energy could be "leaking" through from other dimensions.)

Some have said this thread isn't what this forum is about, I disagree. The better understanding we have about magnetism, mass, speed, doh'nuts, votexs, vortices and such the better. I'd like to suggest people watch the Discovery channel's "The Universe" series and pay particular attention to the Black Hole episode. There is far more information in the accurate representation of what a Supermassive Blackhole does to a star than many will realise.
I believe the secret to "OverUnity" "free energy" (in the broad sense) is hiding in recreating a magnetic scale model of our galaxy. Easily achieved if we had a better understanding of magnetism.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 18, 2014, 04:25:46 AM
Here is your "explanation:"


Actually, son, it isnt,  go further back in this thread.


Nice strawman fallacy.


Magnetism displaces dielectricity, son.   

A fact WELL KNOWN and talked much about by Tesla, JC Maxwell, Heaviside, and CP Steinmentz.

I see you have ABSOLUTELY NO grasp of electromagnetism to take this nonsense position.  ;D


.....Same reason there is a multi-layered circular corona effect pictured below.


Now, son, lets see if you can explain the "EGG" shaped distortion picture below.       I can,  lets see if YOU CAN


(hint: its very simple if you have common sense and know ANYTHING about magnetism and dielectricity at conjugate angles).   

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 18, 2014, 04:35:13 AM
Then please go ahead and explain the black voids (still waiting) and the egg-shaped void.  I am very curious to hear your explanation and perhaps others are too.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 18, 2014, 04:35:50 AM
Although they simply call it "Big Bang Theory". Yes, the fact the universe is expanding at an ever increasing speed confirms OverUnity to me.


Actually it only confirms my discovery about 10 years ago of  1/(1/Phi^-3)


Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 18, 2014, 04:39:18 AM
Then please go ahead and explain the egg-shaped void.  I am very curious to hear your explanation and perhaps others are too.


Well, Im an idiot, right?   You have your force vector formula for the calculation.

Im waiting for the Cult of Quantum to spit out answer.




I just DID explain the dielectric displacement ("black void") above.  Im glad you missed it on purpose.



talk of electrons?  Whats this nonsense?   ;D  ;D

J.J. Thomson concept of the "electron" (his own discovery). Thomson considered the electron the terminal end of one unit line of dielectric induction.


     “Unfortunately to a large extent in dealing with dielectric fields the prehistoric conception of the electro-static charge, the ‘electron’, on the conductor still exists, and by its use destroys the analogy between the two components of the electric field, the magnetic and dielectric. This makes the consideration of dielectric fields unnecessarily complicated” - C.P. Steinmetz (Electric Discharges, Waves and Impulses)

     The idea of electricity as a flow of ‘electrons’ in a conductor was regarded by Oliver Heaviside as “a psychosis”. This encouraged Heaviside to begin a series of writings

     “Electrons as a separate, distinct entity…doesn’t really exist, they are merely bumps in something called a ‘field’.”  - Dr. Steve Biller



 Nature is not governed by the irrational pontifications of GR and QM, rather it is governed by mutually interactive reciprocal conjugates of charges-discharges, centripetal-centrifugal movements, both spatial and counterspatial. Instantaneous action at a distance, and fields are all Ether modality mediations as propagated by counterspace-in-disturbance, the Ether, its pressure gradients and perturbations. No other mediator can be logically hypothesized, much less theorized. The very same Ether of Tesla, Heaviside, C.P. Steinmetz, and even originally from Einstein before logic fled his mind completely, was correct and remains so. Tesla outright denied our current definition of the electron as a ‘discharge particle’.


     All electrons are a motional terminus of a quantity of dielectric pressure gradients of force (as reified by the incorrect understanding of the definition of a ‘field’), these pressure gradients, or “lines” are contracting and stretching like rubber bands, giving motion to the terminus ‘electron’. The thermionic ‘electron’ contracts, pulling the ‘electron’, the cathode ray stretching, pulled by the ‘electron’. In the former case the lines of force are dissipated, in the latter case the line of force are projected, in both cases these so-called ‘electrons’ assume radial motions, with non participating pressure gradients, or forces filling the ‘voids’, directing the ‘electrons’. Hence, it is the so-called ‘electrons’ (dielectric radial discharges) that travel in straight lines, that is, radially. ‘Electrons’ have nothing to do with the flow of electricity; the so-called ‘electrons’ are the rate at which electricity is destroyed. ‘Electrons’ are in fact the resistance. From extensive experimental work into atomic electrical science by J. J. Thompson, and Nikola Tesla, it is established that the so-called electron is only a shadow; its apparent-only physical mass is merely an electrical momentum (ejected by the dielectric inertia in disturbance). There is no rest mass to an electron nor could there be logically, a rest-electron ‘bead’; such notions are absurd and evidence proven non-existent. The very premise is logically impossible and contradicts the rational physics of atomic charges and discharges.

     There is no such condition in nature as a negatively charge particle nor could there be. Charge and discharges are opposite conditions of a single subject, either protons or fields of movements and radiation of those same electrical fields. To claim that liquid in a jar (charged) is one thing, and pouring that liquid from the jar (discharge) is another liquid altogether, is nonsense, likewise compression and expansion are opposite conditions of a single subject. Compressing bodies are charging into higher potential conditions. Conversely, expanding bodies are discharging into lower potential conditions.

     “To describe an electron as a negatively charged body is equivalent to saying that it is an expanding-contracting particle. There is no such condition in nature as a negative charge, nor are there negatively charged particles. Charge and discharge are opposite conditions, as filling and emptying, or compressing and expanding are opposite conditions.”


     “Here we will dispel the "electronics nerd" concept that a capacitor stores "electrons" in its plates. Taking the pair of copper plates as in the previous experiment, but now we have two pairs of plates, one pair of plates distant from the other pair of plates. Upon one pair of plates is imposed an electro-static potential between them. The cube of 10-C oil is inserted between this "charged" set of plates. This hereby establishes a dielectric field of induction within the unit cube of 10-C oil. Now we then remove this cube of oil, withdrawing it from the space bounded by the charged pair of copper plates, and taking this unit cube of oil, it is then inserted into the space bounded by the other uncharged pair of plates. Upon insertion it is found that the un-charged pair of plates have now in fact become charged also. It here can be seen that a cube of dielectric induction can be carried through space, from one set of plates to another set of plates.”



Youve been drinking the Kool Aid of Quantum, son.   Its nothing but Greek Atomism


Unicorn particles

Pixie particles that discharge

Pure irrational insanity, thru and thru    ::)  ;D  ;D

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 18, 2014, 05:00:48 AM
Well, "dielectric displacement" does not cut it as an explanation for why we see the black void.  Please give a real explanation that explains the phenomenon with some details.  Demonstrate competency in the subject matter.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 18, 2014, 05:10:30 AM
Well, "dielectric displacement" does not cut it as an explanation for why we see the black void.


Empty claims, Its like eating sponge cake, you know theres something there, but nobody likes it.



Too bad too,  it  "CUT IT" for Tesla, Faraday, Maxwell, and Steinmetz


Since you dont experiment, let me educate you a bit son.


buy an electrostatic generator, and sprinkle graphite on the charged surface, then bring a magnet near it.

I assume (correctly) in your insanity that you dont know that a supra-diamagnetic material is ANTI-magnetic.

Let me translate that for you in a way your mind can understand  Diamagnetic = super-dielectric = anti-magnetism

Son, how did you think a Yttrium barium copper oxide disk at temp of LN2 (liquid nitrogen) levitates a magnet?  It becomes supra-diamagnetic.


Back to school with you.
  Suggest you go read Heaviside, certainly JC Maxwell
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 18, 2014, 05:12:14 AM
*Duplicate post
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 18, 2014, 05:26:34 AM
You still didn't explain it and I am forced to conclude that you can't.  Likewise you can't explain how a coil works in a simple pulse circuit.  These are some Litmus test questions that are clear clues that show your propositions are a sham.  To demonstrate something new or some new area of knowledge or to propose a new alternate theory you have to be able to demonstrate competency in the overall subject matter, even if you disagree with it.  It's like John Rohner claiming that he designed some kind of special proprietary spark plug firing controller and then revealing to the world that he didn't even understand how a spark plug circuit works.  Or Wayne Travis claiming that he could extract free energy from water moving up and down in a cylinder and bellows contraption yet he never was capable of stating anything about his system using comprehensible sentences that made any sense to someone familiar with energy and hydraulics.

You have lots of company and many of us are very familiar with the pattern.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 18, 2014, 05:30:54 AM
You have lots of company and many of us are very familiar with the pattern.


If you had even ONE patent, you might have some cred.   You dont.

I have 4.   I do the work, I have the logic and proof behind me.

You have your flapping lips.       


Not buying your belly button lint
.    It has no value.       


Go read the "greats"  (Tesla, Steinmetz, Maxwell).   


Most nuns legs are MORE open then your mind,  ..as is obviously apparent.  ;D  ;D


Of all the types of people who have ever lived, there are only four types of gatekeepers of the mind. 1. The gatekeeper of the mind
which lets in everything, this is the most common type in the world. 2. The gatekeeper of the mind which lets in nothing, this is the
second most common type; of those that are sure they are right, and all others are wrong. 3. The gatekeeper of the mind which lets in
those things it likes or agrees with and not those things it does not like or agree with, even if those things are true and wise. This is the
third most common type. 4. The gatekeeper of the mind which judges things as wise and logical, and lets those things in, and judges
things as unwise and irrational and bars them from entry into the mind. This type of gatekeeper of the mind is the most sublime and
rare. Open minds are only good up to a point at which nonsense, lies, and irrational chaos is allowed to enter. Closed minds are only
good up to a point where things wise and true are barred entry. At this point we must agree that wholly open minds are bad, and
wholly closed minds are equally as bad.


Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 18, 2014, 05:42:56 AM
I have pretty decent cred and having patents is not relevant to this conversation.  Applying knowledge and understanding and evaluating situations is the backdrop to this discussion.  If you don't have the knowledge and just run off willy-nilly gobbling up anything you read you end up in a place like you are in now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 18, 2014, 05:48:29 AM
I have pretty decent cred


You have no cred

you dont experiment

You dont know Maxwell, Steinmetz, Heaviside, or Teslas work

You dont know simplex things such as magnetism and dielectricity moving 180 degrees from each other, OR even that they repel each other.

You are definitionally, what Tesla refers to as mentioned above.

You're a "King of a nutshell"




Like the Indian Saddhu, your tricks only work on weak minds.  Turn to them for your support.




Get off the keyboard and go experiment, write a book,  do something other than scratch the moss growing on your fanny.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 18, 2014, 06:02:36 AM
I have been around on the forums for about five or six years.  I have analyzed countess circuits on this forum and elsewhere and have analyzed many amateur and professional free energy propositions.  I have even designed one or two circuits right here, and even through it's been a while I am very comfortable on an electronics bench.  I have seen satellites up close while they were under test and know all about electronics product development and volume factory production.  I have worked in the engineering/computer/tech industry for 30 years.  My electronics knowledge and bench skills and experience is not nearly as strong as some other notable luminaries around here but I can hold my own.  I also learned lots from them.  I can analyze a Bedini motor inside out without ever having built one.  I have enough experience to evaluate your magnetic field model and state that unfortunately it's junk.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 18, 2014, 06:11:18 AM
I have been around on the forums for about five or six years.

You just confessed to being a seat warming keyboard jockey.     You must be proud of that status.   ;D  ;D

Amazing.

I can analyze a Bedini motor inside out without ever having built one

That reminds me of a 62 year old woman I knew in Atlanta, she was head of Pediatrics at (whats that college again?),  wrote 2 books on children, and child care....

She never had children and said she personally despised children.

You just hung yourself with that absurd statement.   ;D  ;D


You just said you are an expert on Apple Pie, while never having baked one.      Insanity has been finally REIFIED.  ;D



I have enough experience to evaluate your magnetic field model and state that unfortunately it's junk.


Yes, compared to my inventions, my videos and photographic proof, my book, .......... your lip flapping is MUCH MORE evidence than I have.

Amuse me more, my pet.  ;D  ;D

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 18, 2014, 06:12:18 AM
*duplicate post error
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 18, 2014, 06:18:06 AM
There is not much more that I can say.  This thread will eventually sink out of sight with nothing really tangible having been achieved.  We know where to find you on YouTube.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 18, 2014, 06:24:06 AM
There is not much more that I can say. 

You have yet to say anything at all, in fact.


This thread will eventually sink out of sight with nothing really tangible having been achieved.

MY achievements have nothing to do with the www, I experiment and create and "DO".

Your definition of "tangible" is flapping your lips on the web.............mine is wholly different.

debating a closed minded neophyte and pseudo-intellectual with pre-loaded skepticism and enormous hubris,    too true, nothing could be "achieved" with such a 1-dimensional mind as thou.  ;D ;D

You keep worrying about "threads" and the "www" ,  Ill be writing and experimenting.



Tangible would require both parties to collectively CREATE discussion and generate something. Like a copper coil and a moving magnet.

I get no electricity from moving my "magnet" against taurus excreta
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: CANGAS on July 18, 2014, 07:26:10 AM
Faraday, Cramp Norgrove, and also later published experiments have proved conclusively that the magnetic field does not move even though its magnet source moves. Theoria has been advised of this and has perfectly failed to address this issue.

Still Theoria harangues us to believe that His magnetic field whirls in a vortex. Like a dizzy dancing dervish.

When pigs fly. Without even flapping their little tiny wings.


CANGAS 56

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 18, 2014, 07:38:18 AM
Faraday, Cramp Norgrove, and also later published experiments have proved conclusively that the magnetic field does not move even though its magnet source moves.


Haaaaaaa!!  You just hung yourself high with that one, ......proving you never read my book  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D


However that is NOT what Faraday said, he said that the "source of the magnet" ......."was moving (as polarized) the magnetic tubes (or what we now call lines)"

All fundamental forces are Aether modalities,  I state EXACTLY WHAT YOU said in merely a different way, just as I stated in the book.

I endless state in the book that ALL "magnets" are really electrified dielectric objects OF WHICH THE "driver" of the magnetism is dielectricity.



Your PEDESTRIAN understanding of the term FIELD
however is prematurely flawed, since there is no such thing AS a "static field" and since space and time are POSTERIOR to ALL fields, then the causative links between induction, and supposed "mutual induction" (a HUGE fallacy) and "moving field" and what is MOVED IN A FIELD are 2 different things, son.

This is how field reactions are instant,
they are definitionally not CAUSATIVE IN SPACE (see below).




Yes, there is a magnetic vortex, that is 'driven' by the dielectric inertial plane.


Suggest next time, before you pathetically ATTEMPT to criticize someone, you actually READ the book first.        Pathetic  ;D  ;D ;D  ;D


And, son, I am more well read on Faraday than yourself, I know EXACTLY what he said.


However Heaviside and Maxwell are a wee bit more evolved in magnetic theory than Faraday for obvious reasons I wont fault Faraday for.


You amuse me as well son.   ;D

Read below and LEARN something son.


(October 14, 1922, Kharkiv, Ukraine - May 14, 2009, Morgantown, West Virginia, USA) - physicist and Professor Emeritus at West Virginia University.

Biography

Jefimenko received his B.A. at Lewis and Clark College (1952). He received his M. A. at the University of Oregon (1954). He received his Ph.D. at the University of Oregon (1956). Jefimenko has worked for the development of the theory of electromagnetic retardation and relativity. In 1956, he was awarded the Sigma Xi Prize. In 1971 and 1973, he won awards in the AAPT Apparatus Competition. Jefimenko has constructed and operated electrostatic generators run by atmospheric electricity.

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 18, 2014, 07:43:05 AM
Still Theoria harangues us to believe that His magnetic field whirls in a vortex.


I have the videos, the pictures, the proof, the logic, and 9 TOTAL testing medium for this.


and you?  You have your flapping lips.       


One of those is worth something, the other is 100% WORTHLESS  ;D  ;D  ;D


Keep dancing for me son.



What, in your weak mind did you THINK a "magnet"
was other than a fixed-power solenoid??????   ROFL    ;D

I bet you dont even know HOW A MAGNET IS MADE





Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 18, 2014, 08:18:58 AM
Still Theoria harangues us to believe that His magnetic field whirls in a vortex. Like a dizzy dancing dervish.


Pathetic child,  ALMOST ALL of (even those I despise in) in physics acknowledge magnetic vortex movements  ;D  ;D


They call it the "pinch effect of a magnetic field"



Now guess what is "doing the pinching", thats right, dielectricity.


Suggest you go "wise up" somewhere with a good book and learn something  ;D




And below is the formula for same:



Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 18, 2014, 01:37:15 PM
Faraday, Cramp Norgrove, and also later published experiments have proved conclusively that the magnetic field does not move even though its magnet source moves. Theoria has been advised of this and has perfectly failed to address this issue.

Still Theoria harangues us to believe that His magnetic field whirls in a vortex. Like a dizzy dancing dervish.

When pigs fly. Without even flapping their little tiny wings.


CANGAS 56

Wrong!  The endless debate as to where the voltage is truly generated and if the field rotates with the magnet or not has been put to rest. The Lorentz force is nothing more than the Z-D force viewed from the proper inertial system of a permanent magnet (see reference link below). The field of a permanent magnet is magneto-static. The movement of the magnetic source causes the Z-D effect which has been termed magneto-kinematic. A magneto-static field does not meet the requirement for wave motion and moves like a body synchronously with its source. Nevertheless, the magnetic field satisfies Faraday's law just like any electromagnetic wave.

The phase shift (see image or reference link below) cannot be explained if the magnetic field is considered to be immobile, but is readily explained by the rotation of the magnetic field with the magnet.  The magnetic field moves with it's source!

The electrometer mentioned in the article is a way to perform truly "single piece" voltage measurements without having to close the loop, which raises the endless question as to where the voltage is truly generated. The open probe circuit (http://www.amasci.com/emotor/chargdet.html) is easily constructed and has a sensitivity of detecting 1 volt, which is ridiculously high. Credit goes to broli for bringing this open probe circuit to our attention.


1.) Zajev-Dokuchajev (Z-D) effect (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CEUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpiers.org%2Fpiersproceedings%2Fdownload.php%3Ffile%3DcGllcnMyMDEyTW9zY293fDNBOF8xMDQwLnBkZnwxMjAzMDExMzI4NTM%3D&ei=DTt_UdumDKiFywG4p4HIDA&usg=AFQjCNHtE5r2kVi1AN2ut8u0r0wui88vZw&sig2=NFBd1JvdzTLvvJ55TvWZLw&bvm=bv.45645796,d.b2I): the moving of the magnetic field with the rotating magnet.

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 18, 2014, 02:45:19 PM
Lets look at this in a different way.
Who here can explain how the homopolar motor work's,and why the same cant be achieved using PM's ???
If the line's of flux(as we call them) are straight on the PM from north to south(using standard modle here),and the magnetic field produced from the wire is the same all around the wire,then why dose the magnet rotate(if using the rotating magnet type motor)in one direction?

We can place the wire in the north region,and the magnet will spin in one direction. We can place the wire in the south region,and the magnet spins in the same direction-so what pole is produced from the wire?.

Why is the force from the wire only in one direction?-where is the equal and opposite reaction?(force)

Added picture.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Bob Smith on July 18, 2014, 03:24:49 PM
TA,
Thanks for posting these pages - very enlightening, and always best to go to the original sources when presenting a case (as you have done). 
 
Okay - so the mag and electric fields coexist, and neither creates the other, and their cause is "time variable electric charge and currents." 
 
Two different questions:
 
This would imply that magnetic fields have a frequency(ies), which is/are directly related to the frequency of the "time variable electric charge and currents"?
 
Every once in awhile, I hear about magnetricity, which seems to me to be based on the idea that magnetic "current" can be harvested and used to light up lightbulbs and power motors, etc.,.  Most explanations I find are either steeped in new age ideology and terminology or articulated with antequated notions of electrons spinning around atoms or are secretly vague/abstruse or a mix of all three.   My question:  In your opinion, if magnetricity were possible, would it have to do with influencing or tapping into the strength of the dielectric plane?
 
Edit: If the dielectric plane is where the "pinch" is located, is this not where the real power is?
 
If I'm too far afield for this thread, and you choose to defer to another thread, I'll respect that.
Bob
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: nathan97 on July 18, 2014, 05:05:38 PM
See this one ? Neo magnet spinning in between two sheets of highly diamagnetic pyrolityc graphite

http://sci-toys.com/scitoys/scitoys/magnets/pyrolytic_graphite_2/spin.gif
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Dave45 on July 18, 2014, 06:18:58 PM
Thought you might be interested in this.
This coil was powered up with ac 12 volts placed in water and frozen.
If you look closely there are two electric fields but that is because of the winding, the coil was wound and powered to cancel the magnetic field.
Although the magnetic field is not completely canceled its in a bucking configuration, the reason for the two fields.
I have one powered with dc will look it up.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Dave45 on July 18, 2014, 06:27:19 PM
This is the field that actually transfers energy from one coil to the next in a magnetic loop not the magnetic field.
The magnetic field is more like an axle this field spins around.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 18, 2014, 09:14:20 PM
This would imply that magnetic fields have a frequency(ies), which is/are directly related to the frequency of the "time variable electric charge and currents"?

Yes, Gyromagnetic ratios, and magnetic precession is nothing of my discovery, this principle is part and parcel to all magnetic
resonance imaging (MRI), nuclear magnetic resonance imaging (NMRI) technology, however the entire field of MRI technology
is senseless and clueless that a permanent magnet exhibits this due to a special magneto-dielectric field geometry. MRI use enormous
power to generate these magnetic precessions, which field contrasts are then used to image and determine what is being scanned.
Enormous pulsing power is used in the creation of MRI images, however a single large pulse is used to create an identical precessional
magnetic geometry in the permanent magnet. As is the case with most technology, things are discovered and perfected without
actually understanding or caring about the principles behind them
 
Every once in awhile, I hear about magnetricity, which seems to me to be based on the idea that magnetic "current" can be harvested and used to light up lightbulbs and power motors, etc.,.  Most explanations I find are either steeped in new age ideology and terminology or articulated with antequated notions of electrons spinning around atoms or are secretly vague/abstruse or a mix of all three.   My question:  In your opinion, if magnetricity were possible, would it have to do with influencing or tapping into the strength of the dielectric plane?


Well, taking the position of CP Steinmetz, Heavisidse, Tesla and others, there is no such Unicorn as a "discharge particle" , i.e.  the 'electron'.   It absolutely does not exist, and its mental creation is a false understanding of the function of charge transference.

No, said "magne-tricity" (your term) is not possible, magnetism is definitionally radiation and always a terminus posterior to a prior.   We all know how to get electrification by movement of a polarized (=magnet) field, but magnetism is not an entity that can or could exist of its own accord.   It exists inter-atomically resultant to charge, in T.E.M. and macro-magnetically in a "magnet" resultant to its disequilibrium from electrification where the interatomic magneto-dielectricity is WAY out of balance.

By "new age" you mean the CULT OF QUANTUM which makes nothing, invents nothing, and only produces mental fecal matter.

The people that invented 100% of our modern world , Tesla, JC Maxwell, CP Steinmetz, Heaviside, they all collectively spit at this mental midgetry that has invaded current "science".


If the dielectric plane is where the "pinch" is located, is this not where the real power is?

Yes, that is the case.  A magnet is "squealing" from dielectric 'pinch'  ;D  ;D  ;D

grab a mouse around his mid-section and squeeze, listen to him squeal.   ;D  ;D  ;D   (humor) Here be the magnetism in a "magnet" (electrified dielectric object) "squealing" with polarization

ROFL

OF WHICH under a perfect condition is 3.23606 parts dielectricity to 1 part magnetism



ALL of this is detailed in the book.


SEE the "Squeeze"  !!!!!   ;D  ;D

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 18, 2014, 09:21:14 PM
Thought you might be interested in this.
This coil was powered up with ac 12 volts placed in water and frozen.


You brilliant bastard!!!!!!!!!  ;)     Have you tried that with a conventional neodymium magnet yet


Wonderful work!!!!!  ;D  ;)  ;)


thanks for showing those pics!!!!!!!   You're AWESOME


Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 18, 2014, 09:23:42 PM
See this one ? Neo magnet spinning in between two sheets of highly diamagnetic pyrolityc graphite

http://sci-toys.com/scitoys/scitoys/magnets/pyrolytic_graphite_2/spin.gif


Yes indeed, I have LOTS of  pyrolytic graphite     ;D

see a bit here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6je5P1BOp3A
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Bob Smith on July 18, 2014, 09:30:36 PM
Thanks TA,
I'd better get reading your book.
Was that a rodent coil?  ;D
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 18, 2014, 09:31:20 PM
The magnetic field moves with it's source!



Exactly true.   I can easily and PERMANENTLY ruin the magnetic gauss rating of a magnet to a great degree by horribly deforming the dielectric inertial plane by applying a LOW VOLTAGE (6volts) in small quick pulses along the inertial plane.


Every "magnet" has its 'engine' in the dielectric inertial plane at the midpoint to ANY and EVERY magnet which is ALWAYS self-centering and part of field incommensurability in a magneto-dielectric conjugate system.






Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 18, 2014, 09:46:37 PM
We can place the wire in the north region,and the magnet will spin in one direction. We can place the wire in the south region,and the magnet spins in the same direction-so what pole is produced from the wire?


Ive made MANY homopolar 'toys'.


WHAT SPIN "DIRECTION"  (CW / CCW)  !!!!!!???????  ;D  ;D    CW and CCW are spatial "MIND SKREWS" of human perception.    ::)  ;D


spin ANY OBJECT,   your cat, your wife, a ball, a book    (ROFL)  and on one "end" its moving clockwise, and the other "end" its moving counterclockwise.


but the object is WHOLLY being spun in ONLY one direction at any time.


Polarity = Spatial = CW/CCW  ...........these are the mental skrew of human (MIS)understanding


Ultimately there is NO "polarity" in a "magnet" only field reciprocation and MOVEMENT along lowest pressure gradients, of which FIELDS in their instantaneous attributional creation, generates the ATTRIBUTE OF SPACE , that being polarization.

Chains of causation:
1. Field(s)
2. space
3. polarization

However, logically one can say that 2 and 3 are co-eternal


Space is an attribute of a FIELD,  there are no "fields in space", only SPACE as an attribute, and posterior (in creation) from FIELDS.

This is why Einstein was a mental midget,
he REIFIED the attribute of FIELDS , that being SPACE as "something" that "does things" and "acts on things"
Tesla talked about this EXACTLY AND SPECIFICALLY, and why he verbally slapped the hell out of Einstein in his writings.

Tesla described relativity as "a beggar wrapped in purple whom ignorant people take for a king." The theory, "he said, "wraps all these errors and fallacies and clothes them in magnificent
mathematical garb which fascinates, dazzles and makes people blind to the underlying errors. The theory is like a beggar clothed in purple whom ignorant people take for a king. Its exponents are very brilliant men, but they are metaphysicists rather than scientists. Not a single one of the relativity propositions has been proved." – N. Tesla

"Too bad, Sir Isaac, they dimmed your renown and turned your great science upside down. Now a long haired crank, Einstein by
name, puts on your high teaching all the blame. (he) Says: matter and force are transmutable and wrong the laws you thought
immutable. I am much too ignorant, my son, for grasping (crazy) schemes so finely spun.” - N. Tesla (Fragments of Olympian
Gossip. by Nikola Tesla regarding Einstein)


Tesla said of theory of relativity: "a mass of error and deceptive ideas violently opposed to the teachings of great men of science of
the past and even to common sense." - N. Tesla


The day humans "see" this fact, PROGRESS will be made.


Dr. Oleg D. Jefimenko's works and formulas prove this fact, HOWEVER (horribly!!) he doesnt ever realize it

http://www.rexresearch.com/jefimenko/jefimenko.htm

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 18, 2014, 09:51:14 PM
Was that a rodent coil?  ;D

 
A "constrictor" coil    ;D  ;D




Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 19, 2014, 05:51:59 AM
Lets look at this in a different way.
Who here can explain how the homopolar motor work's,and why the same cant be achieved using PM's ???
If the line's of flux(as we call them) are straight on the PM from north to south(using standard modle here),and the magnetic field produced from the wire is the same all around the wire,then why dose the magnet rotate(if using the rotating magnet type motor)in one direction?

We can place the wire in the north region,and the magnet will spin in one direction. We can place the wire in the south region,and the magnet spins in the same direction-so what pole is produced from the wire?.

Why is the force from the wire only in one direction?-where is the equal and opposite reaction?(force)

Added picture.

This is not correct.  One pole of a magnet will induce a CW rotation, and the opposite pole of the same magnet will induce a CCW rotation.  So, flipping the poles of the magnet will change the direction of rotation.  Likewise, changing the polarity of the current will also change the direction of rotation.  Poles of a magnet is a concept, and should only be used as a reference point to which particular side or end of the magnet we are referring to.

Gravock 
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 19, 2014, 06:18:03 AM
Poles of a magnet is a concept, and should only be used as a reference point to which particular side or end of the magnet we are referring to.


well said.


Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 19, 2014, 09:57:17 AM
This is not correct.  One pole of a magnet will induce a CW rotation, and the opposite pole of the same magnet will induce a CCW rotation.  So, flipping the poles of the magnet will change the direction of rotation.  Likewise, changing the polarity of the current will also change the direction of rotation.  Poles of a magnet is a concept, and should only be used as a reference point to which particular side or end of the magnet we are referring to.

Gravock
I said nothing about flipping the poles of a the magnet. I said ,Quote: We can place the wire in the north region,and the magnet will spin in one direction. We can place the wire in the south region,and the magnet will still rotate in the same direction-And this is correct thank you.Please read post correctly ,before saying some one is incorrect.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 19, 2014, 10:02:37 AM
I said nothing about flipping the poles of a the magnet. I said ,Quote: We can place the wire in the north region,and the magnet will spin in one direction. We can place the wire in the south region,and the magnet will still rotate in the same direction-And this is correct thank you.Please read post correctly ,before saying some one is incorrect.


All polarization = spatial is a mind skr3w.    ANY rotation is moving in the "same direction",  only apparently different from SPATIALLY SEPARATED ENDS.



Euclidean method,......pen and paper to the rescue!!!


Just print the SAME SHEET about 10 times, then roll 2 up into cones. etc etc.......



Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 19, 2014, 10:11:03 AM
TA
I spent the afternoon fooling around with different magnet configurations in water,then passing a current through them. This is something that was shown some time ago,but there was never a clear answer given as to why we get the vortex effect. maybe this time some one will explain.
I am editing the video now,and will upload as soon as it's done. Will post in this thread asap.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 19, 2014, 10:21:58 AM
TA
I spent the afternoon fooling around with different magnet configurations in water,then passing a current through them. This is something that was shown some time ago,but there was never a clear answer given as to why we get the vortex effect.


Its easy, see pics JUST ABOVE, even "vortex" movements are just straight lines against a fulcrum of an opposing force.


like a dog chained to a pole that runs round and round (winding himself CLOSER to the pole) he draws out a centriPETAL movement


opposite, of that, he draws out a CENTRIFUGAL movement.


All movement of FORCE  and FIELD modalities are really straight lines twisted due to spatial / counterspatial     Divergent/ convergent field reciprocations / repulsions / attractions, etc etc etc.




You mean that "magnetflipper" guys videos???

The water vortex movement is simple water hydrolysis where the hydrogen bubbles move themselves centrifugally in the magnetic current.

I have 4 other ways of doing that which have NOTHING do to with adding etc, electricity.  ;D
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 19, 2014, 10:47:33 AM
IN WHICH, in perfect condition, is 3.23606 parts dielectricity to 1 part magnetism.

Nice (see snapshot below)!

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 19, 2014, 10:52:27 AM
Nice (see snapshot below)!

Gravock



Yes, yes yes. 

I have made discoveries on the golden section in the past 12 years that would blow your mind off your neck.  ;)

 
5+ Phi^-3 = Golden circle of incommensurability (MY DISCOVERY)


course MOST people have NO idea what incommensurability is........but it was the "most important secret to the Platonists and Pythagoreans".




took me a few years to unite these 2 incommensurate golden proportions and make a proof (that would take 100 pages to explain, and I wont do it here)

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 19, 2014, 12:27:05 PM
You mean that "magnetflipper" guys videos???

The water vortex movement is simple water hydrolysis where the hydrogen bubbles move themselves centrifugally in the magnetic current.

I have 4 other ways of doing that which have NOTHING do to with adding etc, electricity.  ;D

According to Faraday himself on page 136 in a publication titled, "Experimental researches in electricity / by Michael Faraday (http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/Rarebook_treasures/QC503F211839_PDF/QC503F211839v2.pdf)", the outward force or pressure acting on the rotating wire piece can not be attributed to the fictitious centrifugal force.  If the outward force was due to the centrifugal force alone, then the distance between the rotating wire piece and magnet would not increase as the speed of revolution decreases (see the snapshot of page 136 below).  This outward pressure in addition to the torquing force is more evidence of a magnetic vortex.

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 19, 2014, 12:37:20 PM
Hristo Ditchev describes in detail in his work how concentric ring structures will form by carefully dropping iron powder onto the surface of the water!

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 19, 2014, 12:39:30 PM
According to Faraday himself on page 136 in a publication titled, "Experimental researches in electricity / by Michael Faraday (http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/Rarebook_treasures/QC503F211839_PDF/QC503F211839v2.pdf)", the outward force or pressure acting on the rotating wire piece can not be attributed to the fictitious centrifugal force.  If the outward force was due to the centrifugal force alone, then the distance between the rotating wire piece and magnet would not increase as the speed of revolution decreases (see the snapshot of page 136 below).  This outward pressure in addition to the torquing force is more evidence of a magnetic vortex.

Gravock

No offense to Faraday, but HIS was the stone age of electrical and magnetic understanding, despite the ENORMOUS amount he DID discover.

It seems you are forgetting that each "face" of EVERY magnet has BOTH a centrifugal AND a centripetal field reciprocation.

What "fictitious centrifugal field"?   ;D  ;D   Its there most absolutely, even a magnetometer will tell you that much, not to mention 20 other testing mediums.

Every vortex is just a torque from the dielectric.


A vortex is a STRAIGHT LINE AS MOVED AGAINST AN OPPOSING FORCE,......see pic below

Magnetism is field torque definitionally since its polarized (=spatial).




The diagram below is from the pack of idiots who think each side of a magnet "has a field",  it doesnt it has 2 FIELD ZONES.

Every 360 degrees of a single cycle of the turn of a magnet you have:
2 Ether-field modalities: dielectricity and magnetism (of course).
6 total pressure domain fluctuations, 2 centripetal, 2 centrifugal, and 2 dielectric
10 field-boundary gradients


You state:
 If the outward force was due to the centrifugal force alone


Yes, thats because of 2, 6, and 10 ABOVE.  ;D



   

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 19, 2014, 01:04:31 PM
No offense to Faraday, but HIS was the stone age of electrical and magnetic understanding, despite the ENORMOUS amount he DID discover.

It seems you are forgetting that each "face" of EVERY magnet has BOTH a centrifugal AND a centripetal field reciprocation.

What "fictitious centrifugal field"?   ;D ;D   Its there most absolutely, even a magnetometer will tell you that much, not to mention 20 other testing mediums.

Every vortex is just a torque from the dielectric.


A vortex is a STRAIGHT LINE AS MOVED AGAINST AN OPPOSING FORCE,......see pic below

Magnetism is field torque definitionally since its polarized (=spatial).




The diagram below is from the pack of idiots who think each side of a magnet "has a field",  it doesnt it has 2 FIELD ZONES.

Every 360 degrees of a single cycle of the turn of a magnet you have:
2 Ether-field modalities: dielectricity and magnetism (of course).
6 total pressure domain fluctuations, 2 centripetal, 2 centrifugal, and 2 dielectric
10 field-boundary gradients


You state:
 If the outward force was due to the centrifugal force alone


Yes, thats because of 2, 6, and 10 ABOVE.  ;D



   


No, I am not forgetting that each "face" of EVERY magnet has BOTH a centrifugal AND a centripetal field reciprocation.  The centrifugal force is most commonly understood as an outward force apparent in a rotating reference frame. It is apparent (fictitious) in the sense that it is not part of an interaction but is a result of rotation, with no reaction-force counterpart. This type of force is associated with describing motion in a non-inertial reference frame, and referred to as a fictitious or inertial force (a description that must be understood as a technical usage of these words that means only that the force is not present in a stationary or inertial frame).  For example, the air pressure from a fan placed in a rotating frame blowing air outwards or (centrifugally) can be detected in a stationary frame.  This is not the case for the centrifugal force!

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 19, 2014, 01:47:57 PM


Yes, yes yes. 

I have made discoveries on the golden section in the past 12 years that would blow your mind off your neck.  ;)

 
5+ Phi^-3 = Golden circle of incommensurability (MY DISCOVERY)


course MOST people have NO idea what incommensurability is........but it was the "most important secret to the Platonists and Pythagoreans".




took me a few years to unite these 2 incommensurate golden proportions and make a proof (that would take 100 pages to explain, and I wont do it here)

From what I can tell, you have taken the work of Jerry E. Bayles, Oliver Crane (RQM view of the magnetic field), David LaPointe, and others while claiming it as your own work by repackaging it.  What are the odds of finding equations related to the ratio of 3.23606 parts dielectricity to 1 part magnetism and the golden ratio (see first snapshot below) with the uncommon word of incommensurable (see second snapshot below) along with a very similar magnetic field model, all of which is by the same author of Jerry E. Bayles (see third snapshot below)?  It appears Bayles' quantum vlm rotational velocity is the same as your "dielectric inertial plane".

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 19, 2014, 05:19:03 PM
Ok ,well here is some test i carried out today,using an effect we have seen befor,but tried in many different configurations. So who can explain clearly how and why we get a spin-and please take note of where i place the copper plate(anode),and where the wires are running.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV8DqMBzkIc&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: wattsup on July 19, 2014, 06:51:14 PM
@TA (short for @TheoriaApophasis)

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

I just went through this thread. I knew you were at energeticforum (EF) but just saw the thread here as well. @TA this forum is not your regular "bow-to-the-all-knowing" forums you see elsewhere. We have been to hell and back here. The level of discussion here will probably go to all the forms of intensity. @MH and @TK are not young boys and being treated as such is a major insult on your part and you should not entertain such attitudes. I myself am 57 so please do not boy me around as well. I am also not impressed by money, patents or academia. We are all here to learn, hopefully from each other and not be postulated from above.

Basically, you need to revise your intent. Are you here to......

1 - boast about how smart you are
2 - try to impress others with your long words
3 - teach others something new

If you are here for #3, fine, but just know that just because you are smart, this does not automatically endow you with the worldy attribute of being a good teacher. Knowing something and teaching something are not automatically a given. You will surely need to work on your teaching skills, first by dumbing down your theories as you did say in the first pages that a 15 year will understand. Well it aint work'in.

Now.........First off, does anyone have change for a dollar. I'm all out of quarters to ask a question. hehehe

I sent you a PM at EF and invited you to read a doc I prepared some years ago that will provide you with some of the logic base I have been using thus far in my own effort to understand this universe of ours, but mainly the effects I see on my work bench. I consider myself as having a fresh logic based mind. I am not well versed in Faraday, Steinmetz or others as this was a voluntary condition I made internally to isolate myself so I can then use my own powers of observation without being conditioned by anyone elses point of view. Something like "What would a fresh mind say". However, I am well versed in Tesla and for one, Tesla was not that open to discuss his universal theories in full detail but was more of a nuts & bolts guy (as I am) so for me, Tesla did not overly influence my present viewpoints or logic base. He did however provide me with a wealth of experimentation bases, enough to realize that he must not have been overly satisfied with AC as I think there is definitely better then AC, that I call Dual AC.

Let's just get one major fact out of the way first. that is, if you are open to constructive criticism I can go on and on with way more questions.

Also, let's be very clear on the dynamics of truth........... You may be very right about others being wrong, but this does not automatically make your own ideas right. Being right has to pass its own stages of Cross-Examination and Cross-Comparison (CECC) and cannot be influenced by others being wrong. If you agree to this one fact, then your doc in some way has value to me in the first instance for pointing out where others are (or could be) wrong, but in terms of your ideas, I still have to keep reading to see if all these ideas can be held together in an overall cohesive manner. That will be very difficult to do because you are entertaining so many facets that it is just extremely tedious to absorb without the time for them to meld into an inner vision of reality. Surely not material for a 15 year old and one read will never cut it. So when you say, did you read the book, anyone can read a book, but who will understand it is a better question.

One question we are all affected by is this. What are the chances that any one person living or dead will be completely right about every effect in the universe? Just think about it and maybe this will bring you to a more humbled level of interaction with others.

The answers have to be as natural as you or me being alive feels natural.

Example 1:

The video of your magnet lifting up those nails in the shaper box is a problem where you are giving such a long explanation of extremely complicated field relationships. But in reality the effect is so simple. When you approach the magnet slowly the closest nails under the magnet are held up because the closest nails have the time required to concentrate the magnetism more then the nails beside them. When you approach the magnet quickly, the magnetization time is spread out to all the nails in the region of influence. The nails under the magnet lift up but could not monopolize all the magnetism that has now spread out to nails that have not moved up. When you tilt the box to show the effect and see that an area of nails around the center now did not fall like all the other nails, that is because the raised center nails and the non-raised outer nails are all locked in position, magnetized. This has nothing to do with anything more then that. Reading more into an effect then there really is can be a basis for some viewpoints to be overly worked, overly complicated and far more prone to fail under closer examination.

You said it yourself. "Nature does not do math", so how then can functional explanations of nature be any more complicated then a one sentence description. Two at most. This is one of my own measuring sticks of logic. 1 - 2 sentences, not more. If you can boil down all your theories (I am saying theory because at this stage we are all walking theories) and bring them down to layman terms where the reader can see develop a true character of the ether, then for me it is doing justice and I can only hope for you that such a skill will eventually mature. Teaching is an art that is not inbred, so maybe use your time here to practice this art and learn from it yourself.

Imagine I am still at page 21. I have had to read and re-read those pages and am still in ambiguity to the actual main premises. I am afraid to read on because this will just mix things up even more and I will have to start over again. But I will continue on.

Also, knowing my own character, once I finally finish reading your book I will want to cut it into pieces because there will be loose ends, and, I hate loose ends.

Example 2:

Ferrofluid. I have to admit that I have no purely 100% logical explanation for the cones. If the cones where produced by only pouring the ferrofluid, that would be an easy call, but the ferrofuild is flat when the magnet is removed and when the magnet is applied again underneath, the cones just rise out of the flat layer. That is a good one to figure out and I will eventually. But, as a quick study, I imagine it has to do with the same effect that produces the raising of mountains from compressing tectonic plates plus the overall viscosity of the liquid used to provide some suspension of the ferric mass particles that are all looking to compress themselves towards the magnetic center, hence mini-tectonic forces producing your angles of the cones, but that are also influenced by their maximum piling on ability before they have to avalanche down again into a new but same type of geometric pattern. For me this only is based on the pull force of the magnet being uniform, leaving the viscosity to create the geometric balances of the ferric dust.

But to say this effect is the result of multi fields moving both ways, one lifting up, the other pushing down onto a geometrically uniform pattern is something that just does not click. If the magnet is both pushing up and pulling down in a geometrical pattern and that is the only cause of the cones, then you will have to explain why, with the addition or removal of a volume of ferrofluid, does the pattern itself change. If the cause of the cone pattern is the magnet field pattern, then why does the cone pattern change? If your premise is correct, then the pattern should stay exactly the same and the only change should be higher or lower cones. But it does not. Do you see the logic of this questioning?

To take this a step further as an avid OUer looking for new effects, then the same ferrofluid effect should be visible using an electromagnet that would enable one to see if the cones are again produced, but better still, what the effects would be when changing the pulse frequency, this may enable to discover that such cones are more or less prevalent at certain frequency ranges, that would provide another clue to the magnets function.

Attacking the question of magnets in the manner you are doing is definitely not an easy task. The energy that is driving the magnet is coming from where is the main question that needs to be resolved and that answer then has to meet a whole array of other side-effects.

Again one of the reasons I pointed you to my doc is to at least give you some ideas on where that base energy is coming from and from all logical points of view, I can only summarize that the base energy to drive atoms is coming from the actual movement of the object against static etheric space. But then I read "there is no Ether in space, only space within the Ether", just cannot figure that one out. If you said, space is a concentration of ether at value x, and mass produces concentrations of ether at values from y1 to yzillion, that I could agree with and falls into the ether acting as a pile on effect or what I call Ether Impress as being your magnetic field.

My main stance is ether is everywhere. In space, in atoms, in magnetism, in action at a distance, in everything man. So where is this "no ether in space" thing coming from? Why should ether have a preference? Ether if everywhere does not have to move anywhere because it is already in everything. We move through ether and not ether moves through us, just like as our planet, solar system and galaxy all have an additive effect on mass moving through ether, so do all other galaxies in their own right and at their own minimal mass threshold speeds of movement. The law of action/reaction will logically want that the same mass moving at a different speed will create a different effect on the base frequency of atomic nature and this will produce different effects as we see them in the universe. We look at the stars, the galaxies and see so many effects that we try to figure out, but the first question to ask is, what speed is that galaxy moving through space compared to ours? That's what I would like to know.

Anyways........Keep on.

Oh and as usual for me, sorry for long post. hehehe

wattsup
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: wattsup on July 19, 2014, 06:51:27 PM
Ok ,well here is some test i carried out today,using an effect we have seen befor,but tried in many different configurations. So who can explain clearly how and why we get a spin-and please take note of where i place the copper plate(anode),and where the wires are running.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV8DqMBzkIc&feature=youtu.be

@tinman

The simple fact that you are producing bubbles in water is enough to produce the spin. The bubbles when created displace the surrounding water that wants to move back into the position where is was before it was displaced. All those bubbles now move upwards and given the bubbles are round and the water has friction, any main rise direction will produce some spin that will be maintained until another spin direction becomes more prevalent. We cannot say that it is the magnetic field above the magnet that is creating the spin, but we do see the effect and we can easily misunderstand this as the magnet generating the spin on its own.

In your case there is no magnetic attraction between the bubbles and the magnet since the bubbles are not metallic or magnetic themselves. They are just caught up in the rising momentum all reaching the top and then continuing to rise out. Also, the bubbles rising up the magnet sidewall create a differential of surface stress on the magnet that adds to the momentum of spin, but again, none of that can be directly attributable to the magnetic field.

Anyways, the main question then arises as per the effects explained by @TA, and that is, in one instance the magnet is producing a vortex but in another instance the magnet is producing cones with ferrofluid. So which one is it, vortex or cones.

wattsup

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 19, 2014, 07:48:48 PM
Wattsup:

Taken from Theoria's PDF:

Quote
The reason ferrofluid forms cone shaped spikes along any pole is that the raised apexes are the alternating centripetal and centrifugal
points of preponderance which raise themselves not as lines but as cones.
Nothing in nature moves in lines, rather in spirals. To raise
any single portion of the ferrofluid is to create inter-atomic magnetic dilation in the ferrofluid, which approaches in a cone-first vortex,
as any plane of centrifugal acceleration is cone-base first, whereas any vortex plane of expulsion from the magnet is apex first. 
 
As is the case, any centrifugal vortex is cone-acceleration as highest and any centripetal vortex is apex acceleration as highest.
Pressure increases in inverse proportions to the field. As is likewise the case with all fields, the greater the pressure the closer the
spatial proximity to field voidance. This concept of the Ether is extremely hard for people to understand. Just as at the center of any
magnet, the dielectric inertial plane, there is no magnetism
, likewise if one were able to occupy a space at the center of the Earth there
would be no gravity, likewise at the axle of any field disturbance there is neither a field no acceleration. Polarization, and acceleration
exist radially from the apex of magnetic field, but inversely accelerate towards the apex centripetally, however regardless of
centrifugal or centripetal movement, at the center between both there is neither a field nor acceleration, this is the membrane of all
fields in counterspace; in the case of the magnet, this membrane is ‘open’, and is the dielectric inertial plane.

I highlighted the first sentence for the ferrofluid explanation, it is wrong.  I highlighted the second sentence as a bonus because it is wrong but not related to the ferrofluid explanation.  It's just so fundamentally wrong that it deserved to be highlighted.

Going back to the ferrofluid cones, there is indeed a one-sentence explanation that is simple, concise, and clear.  It's clear if you understand the underlying concepts.

You know the old saying, usually the simplest explanation is the correct explanation.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: SeaMonkey on July 19, 2014, 08:27:21 PM
Quote from: wattsup
...
 @MH and @TK are not young boys and being treated as such is a major insult on your part and you should not entertain such attitudes. I myself am 57 so please do not boy me around as well. I am also not impressed by money, patents or academia. We are all here to learn, hopefully from each other and not be postulated from above.

Basically, you need to revise your intent. Are you here to......

1 - boast about how smart you are
2 - try to impress others with your long words
3 - teach others something new

If you are here for #3, fine, but just know that just because you are smart, this does not automatically endow you with the worldy attribute of being a good teacher. Knowing something and teaching something are not automatically a given. You will surely need to work on your teaching skills, first by dumbing down your theories as you did say in the first pages that a 15 year will understand. Well it aint work'in.
...


When men get all hypersensitive and start talkin'
like "wimmin" - it's the old power thing again.

Insult - Schminsult - now you guys are starting to
sound like Erron over at EF.

The Attackers here are very skilled at provoking
confrontational exchanges;  they're also very
good at deflecting responsibility.  They seem to
think their privileged status exempts them from
the rules of good order and discipline.  That they
have earned the "right" to play mischief in their
attacks.

Nothing is more pathetic than a Forum Man who
can dish it out but can't take the blowback.

You of course know to whom these references are
being made.

Set the Example of Gentlemanly conduct and it
will be found that Courtesy is Contagious.

Unless the Bad Boys persist in their fun...

But remember, there is a better Way.

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 19, 2014, 09:08:27 PM
SeaMonkey:

You lose perspective so easily it's not funny.  It's like you are hard-wired to believe that "the alternative guy must be right" even when you have to deal with an internal dichotomy.  You have enough technical knowledge to know that the vast majority of what Theoria is stating is quite frankly "crazy whackadoo nonsense."  You know that he is wrong but your hard-wiring takes over and you will defend the underdog, because defending the underdog is more important than what's right and what's wrong.  So you have an internal conflict and what always wins is the "alternative guy."  And that is your great flaw, you support things that you know are wrong because you are against "the system."

Quote
The Attackers here are very skilled at provoking confrontational exchanges;

Indeed, you can't even think straight sometimes because of that hard wiring.  I am not "attacking" Theoria, I am challenging his propositions because they are a form of "knowledge pollution" and people deserve to hear both sides in a debate.

Quote
They seem to think their privileged status exempts them from the rules of good order and discipline."

You must be talking about Theoria?  Whoops, I guess you are alleging that I am the one breaking the rules.  When did I ever say or imply I had a privileged status?  Your hard-wiring distorts your perception.  When you post things like that you sound like the worst of the worst of the "Powers-that-Be spin doctors."  It's like reading Pravda in 1972.

Quote
Nothing is more pathetic than a Forum Man who can dish it out but can't take the blowback."

You can kiss my ass when you use the term "Forum Man" trying to imply that I am some sort of "paid operative" that's here to rebut nonsensical stuff like you are reading in this thread.

Ultimately, you are messed up in the head.  Like you walked head-first into the barrel of a 16-inch gun in 1963 and you never recovered from the very serious concussion you received.

Stop trying to imply that I am something that I am not.  Stop trying to imply that I am devious and intentionally attacking Theoria.  Let your innate knowledge and understanding about electronics overcome that messed up hard wiring in your head.  It's the same hard wiring that turns you into that "apocalypse is coming, the great battle between good and evil is almost upon us" guy standing on a virtual street corner holding up a 10-year-old placard that says, "The End is Nigh."

What ridiculous and dark and dreary spinning you can do when your hard wiring takes over.  You look at a thread like this and you go into overdrive and you suppress your own innate technical intelligence that is telling you that I am just arguing the common sense straight goods and Theoria is just one of hundreds of guys that has miraculously "discovered" the "secret" of magnetism.  You know just as well as me that he can't back anything up but like some self-programmed drone you support him anyways.

There is something really creepy in you that gives me the shivers.  You are your own Cabal unto yourself and nobody should drink your Kool-Aid.  Rather, they should run away as fast as they can.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 19, 2014, 10:02:00 PM
According to Faraday himself on page 136 in a publication titled, "Experimental researches in electricity / by Michael Faraday (http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/Rarebook_treasures/QC503F211839_PDF/QC503F211839v2.pdf)", the outward force or pressure acting on the rotating wire piece can not be attributed to the fictitious centrifugal force.  If the outward force was due to the centrifugal force alone, then the distance between the rotating wire piece and magnet would not increase as the speed of revolution decreases (see the snapshot of page 136 below).  This outward pressure in addition to the torquing force is more evidence of a magnetic vortex.

Gravock

In the original Faraday motor, the current carrying conductor is pushed away from the magnet by an outwards force which can be attributed to a pressure wave.  This shows a field in motion around the permanent magnet.  Figure 1 shows a pressure wave associated with the magnetic potential A vector and the magnetic flux B field. The A vector and the B vector are normal (90 degrees) to each other and both are also normal to the outwards moving pressure wave.  It has been demonstrated that a strong enough magnetic field can suspend a live frog with the associated pressure wave of that same field without harming the frog. The pressure wave works on the individual particles on the quantum scale in a collective manner much as gravity does.  The pressure wave will increase as the square of the current. For a 100 ampere current, the value will be 10,000 times larger than a 1 ampere current. The adjacent current element may be used to cause a directional projection of the force field resulting from the pressure wave and the fixed current element. This current element can also move if free to do so.  The external current element can be used to introduce asymmetry into the uniform pressure field and therefore cause a force unbalance that can do work on the system so as to move it in the desired direction.

The outward moving pressure wave is divorced from the magnetic field proper and therefore can be used to move the entire system via Newton's law of every action engenders an opposite and equal reaction even if the magnet and the current are connected to a common support. This is by reason that the pressure wave has its own inertia and can be regarded as a separate entity, much as for a photon.  The Faraday motor as demonstrated uses a permanent magnet and a d.c. current in the rotor wire. The direction of rotation should remain the same if the direction of the magnetic flux from the magnet as well as the direction of current flow in the rotor wire are both changed simultaneously. Further, the direction of the pressure wave will also continue to be moving outwards. This may be an advantage from the standpoint of resonance where a strong impulse can cause a resonant circuit to ring in the form of a damped wave and if the circuit has low losses, the resonance will allow for the alternating current to continue without further input for an appreciable time. The frequency of resonance may be chosen to be equal to the fMG frequency. Thus, the magnet can now be an electromagnet and capacitor arrangement.

Reference:  The Faraday Motor And The Magnetic Vector Potential (http://www.electrogravity.com/FARADAY/A_VecFaraday1.pdf), by Jerry E. Bayles  (see snapshot below for a quick reference)

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 19, 2014, 10:07:15 PM
This type of force is associated with describing motion in a non-inertial reference frame, and referred to as a fictitious or inertial force


True, the centrifugal magnetism is being 'driven' by the dielectrical inertial plane at the midpoint of every magnet.

Yes, this centrifugal is a "FAKE" inertial force.

magnetism is definitionally radiation of and within the magneto-dielectric inter-atomic, a  "magnet" only makes this fundamental Aether force VERY APPARENT to us dumb human critters.


with no reaction-force counterpart


Its (centrifugal magnetism) reaction force counterpart is merely itself which moves CENTRIPETALLY within its own spatial (=polarization) recriprocation.

But this is one system-whole,  it is not ANOTHER force, but the SAME, however 180 degrees opposite the centrifugal field

Its movement of course is NET-0

Moving this NET-0 however is moving SPACE itself (the posterior attribute of ANY and all fields), and such we get electrification due to superluminal "breaking" upon the dielectric plane within copper windings.

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 19, 2014, 10:16:15 PM
From what I can tell.......David LaPointe,


Like *@&^@^^!@ HELL......David LaPointe  is FULL OF SH*T   ;D  ;D

Yes, I know his videos well. Theyre well made, and HALF right.


However he misses the 800 pound gorilla that "DRIVES" magnetism, dielectricity.


I feet sorry for David LaPointe, he works hard, hes trying to understand, but hes got it waaaaaaaay wrong.


he actually thinks the TOP vortex formation in his "bowls" analogy is magnetism, and the bottom is electrical

Uggggggh He just needs a hard slap against the head.


He is 100% clueless about centripetal and centrifugal, and 10,000% CLUELESS that what forms his "double bowl" shape (as he accurately depicts) is the dielectric inertial plane driving the double hyperbola of centrifugal magnetism.

One HARD slap might fix his mental misunderstanding. (really hard).


He keeps talking about "magnetic bowl shaped formations", but hes clueless that what hes trying to grasp but doesnt is the DOUBLE HYPERBOLA of centrifugal magnetic fields reciprocating, and the center centripetal fields and between both of his "salad bowls" of magnetism is the dielectric inertial plane.


He also speak about magnetism as an entity in and of its on accord. Which nowhere exists in nature.


The "wave particle duality" nonsense is a misgrasp of the fact that ALL TEM ("transverse electromagnetism") contains a radial dielectric.

This is the REAL explanation behind the "photoelectric effect" to which the demented fool Einstein won his "prize".


He got most of descriptions right, but got the explanation wholly 100% wrong

This is extremely typical of the cult of quantum.




and others while claiming it as your own work by repackaging it.  What are the odds of finding equations related to the ratio of 3.23606 parts dielectricity to 1 part magnetism and the golden ratio (see first snapshot below) with the uncommon word of incommensurable (see second snapshot below) along with a very similar magnetic field model, all of which is by the same author of Jerry E. Bayles (see third snapshot below)?  It appears Bayles' quantum vlm rotational velocity is the same as your "dielectric inertial plane".



Listen up, ( Jerry E. Bayles, Oliver Crane) .........I NEVER HEARD OF THOSE OTHER 2 GUYS, and as for David LaPointe, I ONLY saw his well made RANCIDLY WRONG well-made videos after I was 80% done with my book.


David LaPointe doesn't understand a DAMN THING,  he NEVER mentions the dielectric inertial plane,  he is kinda on the "right track" but OHHHHHHH SOOOOOOOO WRONG


He just needs a hard slap.    But he sounds like a hubris filled fool.       HIS IDIOT  "bowl shaped" magnets,  he doesnt even grasp that his "salad bowls" are the shape of centrifugal magnetic flow, a pair of double hyperbolas.



Dont compare his well made TRASH VIDEOS with anything Ive written.







YOU SAID:
It appears Bayles' quantum vlm rotational velocity is the same as your "dielectric inertial plane".



It looks like thats the case yes,  TOO BAD his brain fahrt  calls is a "quantum rim"


When IDIOTS in the Cult of Quantum dont "get" something they call it  "Quantum X"  ......I know exactly what the hell it is,  he obviously doesn't  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 19, 2014, 10:26:23 PM
What are the odds of finding equations related to the ratio of 3.23606 parts dielectricity to 1 part magnetism and the golden ratio (see first snapshot below) with the uncommon word of incommensurable



Let me give you a HEADS UP,   I translate ancient Greek,  and am the #1 person in the world as EXPERT on Greek Incommensurability,   and have written 2 small books on that topic

proof of same here of my works into that LONG LONG AGO:
https://archive.org/details/IndefiniteDyadPlotinusMetaphysicsMysticism

https://archive.org/details/PythagorasPlatoAndTheGoldenRatio

however that last book is very incomplete, I wrote it a LONG LONG TIME ago.


If ANYONE stole anything about the golden section, and Incommensurability, and Phi^2 , its them from myself.


I have 3 HAND written books of notes , each 250 pages on MY discoveries into incommensurability and the golden section,


took me 4 years to make this proof, and it certainly has nothing to do with the idiots you quoted. >>

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 19, 2014, 10:44:08 PM
Ok ,well here is some test i carried out today,using an effect we have seen befor,but tried in many different configurations. So who can explain clearly how and why we get a spin-and please take note of where i place the copper plate(anode),and where the wires are running.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV8DqMBzkIc&feature=youtu.be


Lovely video!!!!


Lovely video!!  You are officially awesome

However, as is the case, there are 5 diff. methods (more really) to see (my videos) this vortex WITHOUT having to zap your magnet

nevertheless your method (as originally duplicated by 'magnetflipper' you youtube) produces vortex from hydrogen bubbles.

There are 2 METHODS I have found (that have nothing to do with zapping a magnet) to SHOW magnetic vortex movement.   

1. Use FAST moving HIGH volume medium like the force lines in a CRT tube, or neon tube, or your H2 bubbles

OR

2. (my best demos) use LOW volume viscous SLOW MOVING materials in a suspension (see my videos on this).    ;)  ;D 


You're awesome


The reason for the "CW  / CCW" is the necessitated field conjugation and magnetic reciprocation.

ultimately its all 'twisted' straight lines.

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 19, 2014, 11:08:24 PM

Example 1:

The video of your magnet lifting up those nails in the shaper box is a problem where you are giving such a long explanation of extremely complicated field relationships. But in reality the effect is so simple. When you approach the magnet slowly the closest nails under the magnet are held up because the closest nails have the time required to concentrate the magnetism more then the nails beside them. When you approach the magnet quickly, the magnetization time is spread out to all the nails in the region of influence.

You said it yourself. "Nature does not do math", so how then can functional explanations of nature be any more complicated then a one sentence description. Two at most. This is one of my own measuring sticks of logic. 1 - 2 sentences, not more. If you can boil down all your theories (I am saying theory because at this stage we are all walking theories) and bring them down to layman terms where the reader can see develop a true character of the ether, then for me it is doing justice and I can only hope for you that such a skill will eventually mature. Teaching is an art that is not inbred, so maybe use your time here to practice this art and learn from it yourself.

Imagine I am still at page 21. I have had to read and re-read those pages and am still in ambiguity to the actual main premises. I am afraid to read on because this will just mix things up even more and I will have to start over again. But I will continue on.

Also, knowing my own character, once I finally finish reading your book I will want to cut it into pieces because there will be loose ends, and, I hate loose ends.



But to say this effect is the result of multi fields moving both ways, one lifting up, the other pushing down onto a geometrically uniform pattern is something that just does not click. If the magnet is both pushing up and pulling down in a geometrical pattern and that is the only cause of the cones, then you will have to explain why, with the addition or removal of a volume of ferrofluid, does the pattern itself change. If the cause of the cone pattern is the magnet field pattern, then why does the cone pattern change? If your premise is correct, then the pattern should stay exactly the same and the only change should be higher or lower cones. But it does not. Do you see the logic of this questioning?

My main stance is ether is everywhere. In space, in atoms, in magnetism, in action at a distance, in everything man. So where is this "no ether in space" thing coming from? Why should ether have a preference? Ether if everywhere does not have to move anywhere because it is already in everything. We move through ether and not ether moves through us, just like as our planet, solar system and galaxy all have an additive effect on mass moving through ether, so do all other galaxies in their own right and at their own minimal mass threshold speeds of movement. The law of action/reaction will logically want that the same mass moving at a different speed will create a different effect on the base frequency of atomic nature and this will produce different effects as we see them in the universe. We look at the stars, the galaxies and see so many effects that we try to figure out, but the first question to ask is, what speed is that galaxy moving through space compared to ours? That's what I would like to know.





I have no such video using "nails"  elaborate.

Yes, of course it can be boiled down much more so. And I have future videos for that.  The book which is expanding is another matter.



"""But to say this effect is the result of multi fields moving both ways, one lifting up, the other pushing down onto a geometrically uniform pattern is something that just does not click."""

That it doesnt "click" is no ERR on my behalf. Simplex lowest-pressure cross-mediation is extremely simplex.


I love being refuted actually, and I stated my purpose here many times, I have no interest in convincing anyone of anything.  They can wipe their arse with the book for all it matters.


IF HOWEVER someone (has happened a few times in this thread) has something very logical and coherent to say FOR or AGAINST any point, thats always of great USE, and great BENEFIT (to myself at any rate).


A friendly DEBATE isnt an argument.     I respect all parties here, but this is NOT A personality contest, its an exchange of information and ideas.    Sometimes rough, sometimes Smooth.

However I dont care one way or the other about anyone's  "personality",   if you care about mine, well, that lay at your own feet.



"""" If the cause of the cone pattern is the magnet field pattern, then why does the cone pattern change?""""

I explain same in a future video and the 3rd edition of the book,    I state outright IN the book that "much WILL and NEEDS to be expanded upon".



"""""But then I read "there is no Ether in space, only space within the Ether", just cannot figure that one out.""""""


Neither can most people.

Polarity = Spatial = CW/CCW  ...........these are the mental skr3w of human (MIS)understanding


Ultimately there is NO "polarity" in a "magnet" only field reciprocation and MOVEMENT along lowest pressure gradients, of which FIELDS in their instantaneous attributional creation, generates the ATTRIBUTE OF SPACE , that being polarization.

Chains of causation:
1. Field(s)
2. space
3. polarization

However, logically one can say that 2 and 3 are co-eternal

Space is an attribute of a FIELD,  there are no "fields in space", only SPACE as an attribute, and posterior (in creation) from FIELDS.

This is why Einstein was a mental midget, he REIFIED the attribute of FIELDS , that being SPACE as "something" that "does things" and "acts on things"



""""My main stance is ether is everywhere. In space, in atoms, in magnetism, in action at a distance, in everything man. So where is this "no ether in space" """"


Then you SHOULD HAVE ALREADY deduced from this fact that you are swimming IN fields upon fields WITHIN fields and other fields upon fields upon fields.

The Aether/Ether is  NO-where (in space),     Where, or GREEK TOPOS or "Khora" the "where" is as pertains TO space, AS posterior to any and all fields.


"look at the wide open spaces!!"  (said the goof standing IN A FIELD (Khora) ...)

Youre talking about the baby before the mother (fields).  ;D   There is no space without a field,   Space is POSTERIOR to any and all fields,   either in simplex, OR compounded.

There is no "Ether in space",   Space is POSTERIOR to ANY and ALL fields.    Dr. Oleg D. Jefimenko proves this (however he doesnt grasp the implicactions) in his books.



There is no "instant action at a distance"   (THERE IS), but the premise is 100% flawed.

I did not mean by the title that there IS NO "instantaneous action at a distance (within fields)" Of course there is, within fields 'instant action at a distance' without propagation speeds

(as proved by Tesla and E Dollard.  Dr. O. Jefimenko and others regarding longitudinal field propagation).

But that the entire PREMISE is 100% flawed, regarding the statement of: "instantaneous action at a distance"

Field pressure gradients are not IN space nor therefore a modality of time.

So what is going on "instantly" is merely field inductions, pressures occurring "under" and preceding space which is merely a modality of any field.

So, taking the common phrase regarding fields (mag, grav, dielectric): " "instantaneous action at a distance"

we have removed the "INSTANTANEOUS" part as merely a human perceptual flaw of immanent fields within which there is space (but never a field IN space, rather space as attributional to or of a field).

"ACTION" can be removed, since we are only talking about field pressure gradients, inductions, charges and discharges. There are no "moment actions", since actions are comparators over 2 points in time. However the case is is that what something is in Principle it is in Attribute, likewise therefore deductively we can speak of X as both a THING/PRINCIPLE, and an ACTION/ATTRIBUTE, ........such as light-illumination, or will-willing. The very co-eternal principles, also, of and to any field.

"DISTANCE" can likewise therefore be eliminated, since we are talking about the attribute and EFFECT WITHIN any field(s). There are no "distances" , since this is a conceptual abstraction of fields which are impinging/interacting within / to/ against etc. each other.


ANY retardations of field action-propagation are logically only merely resistances encountered from intervening field-modality inductions/capacitance; or field voidance or counter-voidance pressures


So, having eliminated all 3 main words within "instantaneous action at a distance", whats left? Only fields logically. .... Well, we are left with "AT"

Field pressure AT another field
Electricity terminating AT X as magnetism
Magnetic moving its attribute (space) AT a dielectric ( which = dielectric inertial plane torque = electrification)
Your body AT a location in space AT which another body's centripetal convergent gravitational field is acting AT yours.



All fields are definitionally Ether modalities, either convergent/divergent, spatial, counterspatial, circular, radial, inertial, centripetal, centrifugal.

As for any "polarized (=SPATIAL)" field, it isn't IN space, rather contains space, and therefore is definitionally "polarized", .......when all this time we have considered "polarized = IN space", rather than "space = attributional construct of a polarized field".

And as we know, there is no "N or S pole", NO clockwise or counterclockwise spins.

the same rope turning CW on one end is turning (apparently so) CCW on the other end, but we also of course, know that the entire rope (or ball, etc) is spinning in one single direction as pertains itself, but "has space" (inverse spin) as attributional to it being "polarized" and therefore "creating a space" as definitional to its polarization, i.e. Ether modality.

We are then merely left with an ocean of fields overlapping fields in which there are atomic magneto-dielectric and gravitational fields which prop up the volumes of atoms and their covalent joining.


Weight is not only location specific, but also MEDIUM (Ether, water etc etc) specific. Obviously an obese person doesn't 'weight much' floating in the water and even a 10 year old can "carry" a 400 pound person in that medium. 


There needs to be a whole NEW SCIENCE for the future regarding Field Incommensurabilty or F.I. (as I coined it, pardon if that is hubristic).

Tesla talked about this EXACTLY AND SPECIFICALLY, and why he verbally slapped the hell out of Einstein in his writings.



Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: SeaMonkey on July 19, 2014, 11:13:24 PM
SeaMonkey:

You lose perspective so easily it's not funny.  It's like you are
hard-wired to believe that "the alternative guy must be right"
even when you have to deal with an internal dichotomy.  You
have enough technical knowledge to know that the vast
majority of what Theoria is stating is quite frankly "crazy
whackadoo nonsense."  You know that he is wrong but your
hard-wiring takes over and you will defend the underdog,
because defending the underdog is more important than
what's right and what's wrong.  So you have an internal
conflict and what always wins is the "alternative guy."  And
that is your great flaw, you support things that you know
are wrong because you are against "the system."

Indeed, you can't even think straight sometimes because
of that hard wiring.  I am not "attacking" Theoria, I am
challenging his propositions because they are a form of
"knowledge pollution" and people deserve to hear both
sides in a debate.

You must be talking about Theoria?  Whoops, I guess you
are alleging that I am the one breaking the rules.  When
did I ever say or imply I had a privileged status?  Your
hard-wiring distorts your perception.  When you post things
like that you sound like the worst of the worst of the
"Powers-that-Be spin doctors."  It's like reading Pravda in
1972.

You can kiss my ass when you use the term "Forum Man"
trying to imply that I am some sort of "paid operative"
that's here to rebut nonsensical stuff like you are reading
in this thread.

Ultimately, you are messed up in the head.  Like you
walked head-first into the barrel of a 16-inch gun in
1963 and you never recovered from the very serious
concussion you received.

Stop trying to imply that I am something that I am not.
Stop trying to imply that I am devious and intentionally
attacking Theoria.  Let your innate knowledge and
understanding about electronics overcome that messed
up hard wiring in your head.  It's the same hard wiring that
turns you into that "apocalypse is coming, the great battle
between good and evil is almost upon us" guy standing on
a virtual street corner holding up a 10-year-old placard
that says, "The End is Nigh."

What ridiculous and dark and dreary spinning you can do
when your hard wiring takes over.  You look at a thread like
this and you go into overdrive and you suppress your own
innate technical intelligence that is telling you that I am
just arguing the common sense straight goods and Theoria
is just one of hundreds of guys that has miraculously
"discovered" the "secret" of magnetism.  You know just as
well as me that he can't back anything up but like some
self-programmed drone you support him anyways.

There is something really creepy in you that gives me the
shivers.  You are your own Cabal unto yourself and nobody
should drink your Kool-Aid.  Rather, they should run away
as fast as they can.

MileHigh


I always enjoy reading your responses Miles.  They're almost
like a Book of Revelation - you put that "inner man" out there
for all to see.

I'm glad that you've gotten the "shivers."  It's a start...

By the way - the End is Near.  Wait patiently and you too shall
see it.


Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 19, 2014, 11:24:12 PM
@tinman

The simple fact that you are producing bubbles in water is enough to produce the spin.



100% Dead wrong,   ;D  ;D 
NOR does your premise explain 100% reproducible  CW spin or CCW spin depending on WHICH side is used.


NOR does this have ANYTHING to do with 8 other methods I USE that have nothing to do with HIS VIDEO that shows the SAME THING when hes zapping the magnet with his copper plate and 30V charge.


such as powdered bismuth
charged graphite in suspension.
or CRT tubes
or pyro. graphite spin  (see videos)


etc etc etc......



but again, none of that can be directly attributable to the magnetic field.

Nice CLAIM, however wrong.


Anyways, the main question then arises as per the effects explained by @TA, and that is, in one instance the magnet is producing a vortex but in another instance the magnet is producing cones with ferrofluid. So which one is it, vortex or cones.


My dear heavens!!!!!     "VORTEX OR CONES"  (sorry for this insult)  is about the most insane thing I have heard in a long time.

I could've swore somewhere that a Vortex has the geometry of a CONE, and that a CONE is the geometry of a VORTEX 

OMG  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D



Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 19, 2014, 11:32:46 PM
Wattsup:

Taken from Theoria's PDF:

I highlighted the first sentence for the ferrofluid explanation, it is wrong.

You know the old saying, usually the simplest explanation is the correct explanation.

MileHigh



Sorry, but this slot machine doesn't accept wooden nickels or baseless claims


You ARE RIGHT about "simplest",    simplex lowest pressure seeking mutual reciprocation.


divinely simple in the extreme.  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 19, 2014, 11:38:10 PM
SeaMonkey:
and people deserve to hear both sides in a debate.
MileHigh



You have yet to say ANYTHING,   earlier your admit to being a keyboard jockey.

You dont experiment,

you dont invent,

You dont CREATE anything,

You dont sit down with a voltmeter and wind coils, and do experiments, and look into new research or ideas,

You dont use the Platonic methodology of EITHER induction or the most important one, retroduction.



you merely state over and over  "thats wrong,  thats wrong"      That, son, is a fallacy.



1 page ago you said you were an "expert on the bedini motor"  and that you "NEVER BUILT ONE"     


How proud that must make you    ;D  ;D  ;D     I mean lazy and shiftless.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 19, 2014, 11:49:46 PM

True, the centrifugal magnetism is being 'driven' by the dielectrical inertial plane at the midpoint of every magnet.

Yes, this centrifugal is a "FAKE" inertial force.

magnetism is definitionally radiation of and within the magneto-dielectric inter-atomic, a  "magnet" only makes this fundamental Aether force VERY APPARENT to us dumb human critters.

The centrifugal force is described by classical mechanics as being a fictitious or fake inertial force as you agree.  The Coriolis force is also described by classical mechanics as being a fictitious force.  The Euler force is once again described by classical mechanics as being a fictitious force.  Together, these three fictitious forces are necessary for the formulation of correct equations of motion in a rotating reference frame.  Without these three fictitious forces, classical mechanics can't properly describe motion in a rotating reference frame (see snapshot below).  Physics also speaks of virtual photons, etc.  Below is a snapshot at wiki on the "Fictitious Forces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrifugal_force#Fictitious_centrifugal_force)".  Both classical mechanics and quantum mechanics can't properly describe this universe as being real, however it can easily describe this universe as being a holographic computer simulation (a non-local universe).  There is only one thing in this universe that is real, and that is Spirit/Consciousness!  Everything else is an illusion!  The Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics is based on what appears to be the same nutbar logic as classical mechanics (fictitious or virtual forces, virtual particles, etc).  Once we realize science has nothing to bring forth that is real, then we can move onto the next level of technological advances.

Pilot-wave theory makes all the same predictions as the probabilistic formulation of quantum mechanics (which wouldn’t be referred to as the “Copenhagen” interpretation until the 1950s), but without the ghostliness or mysterious collapse.  It is the Copenhagen probabilistic interpretation of QM I do not agree with.  The old, deterministic alternative of QM is not mentioned in most textbooks and most people in the field haven’t heard of it.  Sheldon Goldstein, a professor of mathematics, physics, and philosophy at Rutgers University and a supporter of pilot-wave theory, blames the “preposterous” neglect of the theory on “decades of indoctrination.”  At this stage, Goldstein and several other noted researchers risk their careers by questioning quantum orthodoxy.  The physicist David Bohm resurrected pilot-wave theory (http://fma.if.usp.br/~amsilva/Artigos/p166_1.pdf) in a modified form in 1952, with Einstein’s encouragement, and made clear that it did work, but it never caught on.  The theory is also known as de Broglie-Bohm theory, or Bohmian mechanics.  Please remember, according to David Bohm, the one who resurrected pilot-wave theory in a modified form in 1952, also says the entire universe is a hologram.

By 1932, when the Hungarian-American mathematician John von Neumann claimed to have proven that the probabilistic wave equation in quantum mechanics could have no “hidden variables” (that is, missing components, such as de Broglie’s particle with its well-defined trajectory), pilot-wave theory was so poorly regarded that most physicists believed von Neumann’s proof without even reading a translation.  More than 30 years would pass before von Neumann’s proof was shown to be false, but by then the damage was done.  Later, the Northern Irish physicist John Stewart Bell went on to prove a seminal theorem that many physicists today misinterpret as rendering hidden variables impossible.  But Bell supported pilot-wave theory. He was the one who pointed out the flaws in von Neumann’s original proof.  And in 1986 he wrote that pilot-wave theory “seems to me so natural and simple, to resolve the wave-particle dilemma in such a clear and ordinary way, that it is a great mystery to me that it was so generally ignored.”  The neglect continues to this day.....

Now at last, pilot-wave theory may be experiencing a minor comeback — at least, among fluid dynamicists. “I wish that the people who were developing quantum mechanics at the beginning of last century had access to these experiments,” Milewski said. “Because then the whole history of quantum mechanics might be different.” The experiments began a decade ago, when Yves Couder and colleagues at Paris Diderot University discovered that vibrating a silicon oil bath up and down at a particular frequency can induce a droplet to bounce along the surface. The droplet’s path, they found, was guided by the slanted contours of the liquid’s surface generated from the droplet’s own bounces — a mutual particle-wave interaction analogous to de Broglie’s pilot-wave concept.

The photon carries momentum. The Heisenberg uncertainty principle states that it is not possible to measure location and momentum at the same time. If the momentum is distributed throughout the entire volume, if one measures the entire momentum, the whole volume must be considered. Since the volume spreads all over creation, it is impossible to say that it is located at a point.  It seems that the meaning of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle can be reinterpreted to support the present conclusion of the nature of the photon. If it has aperture and length, the momentum is not located at a single point. If a single point is assumed for the structure, no momentum can be measured. It seems that the significance of the uncertainty principle has been highly overrated.  The Heisenberg uncertainty principle simply says that the photon has volume.  Calculation shows that the energy and thus the mass is distributed uniformly throughout the structure. The same fact applies to the distribution of momentum.  Quantum indeterminacy and a probabilistic universe based on the wrong assumptions of the Copenhagen interpretation has been proven false!

"The old has been made new again"

Reference:  Fluid Experiments Support Deterministic “Pilot-Wave” Quantum Theory (http://www.simonsfoundation.org/quanta/20140624-fluid-tests-hint-at-concrete-quantum-reality/) (Snapshots shown below)

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 12:01:33 AM


these three fictitious forces, classical mechanics can't properly describe motion in a rotating reference frame (see snapshot below).  Physics also speaks of virtual photons, etc.  Below is a snapshot at wiki on the "Fictitious Forces".  Both classical mechanics and quantum mechanics can't properly describe this universe as being real, however it can easily describe this universe as being a holographic computer simulation (a non-local universe).  There is only one thing in this universe that is real, and that is Spirit/Consciousness!


yes, yes, all true.   However you should never read anything from the Cult of Quantum, is a mind virus and mental disease.

These sick SOB's are nothing more than rehashed Greek Atomists


Tesla attacked them endless as being mental defectives, which they ARE,  They're literally intellectual SLIME and BLACK MOLD.


“Where common sense and intuition failed, we (the insane relativists) had to create a new form of intuition based upon abstract
(unreal) mathematics. When common sense fails, we must create uncommon sense.” -Leonard Susskind, professor theoretical
physics, and priest of the cult of Quantum


Quantum insanity: “Everything we call real is made up of things that cannot be real.” – N. Bohr

Quantum insanity: “The more you see how strange nature behaves, the harder it is for us to make a model that explains even the how
the most simple phenomena works. Theoretical physics has given up on this pursuit.” – R. Feynman

They create a new Unicorn particle every time they need their  BS formulas to balance out !!!!!

Muons, gluons, mesons, bosons. etc etc   pixie dust and BS


de Broglie was a mental midget, he made a 1000 claims, with no logic for most of them.


You said----
""""The photon carries momentum"""""

There is no such thing as a photon,  this is a BS misunderstanding of the nature of TEM   (see last section of my book).

However IT (not a photon however) caries momentum, because, (of course) its the radial dielectric component of TEM



You said---
""""the momentum is not located at a single point."""""

Thats right, because the DIELECTRIC RADIAL COMPONENT is pulsed directly in line with the wavelength of the TEM

which is why SHORT wavelength EM is so dangerous and powerful.



Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 12:32:18 AM

yes, yes, all true.   However you should never read anything from the Cult of Quantum, is a mind virus and mental disease.

Quantum insanity: “Everything we call real is made up of things that cannot be real.” – N. Bohr

You said----
""""The photon carries momentum"""""

There is no such thing as a photon, 
this is a BS misunderstanding of the nature of TEM   (see last section of my book).

However IT (not a photon however) caries momentum
, because, (of course) its the radial dielectric component of TEM

Call a photon whatever you like, but it doesn't change what it is!  Listen to what you are saying!  You don't believe in photons, electrons, etc., yet you can call them by a different name, then they all of a sudden become real to you!  This falls under the same nutbar logic of quantum insanity: "everything we call real is made up of things that cannot be real"!

Time should play the part instead of meters or distance. We should look upon Time as the result of the force that impels a body through space. The greater the force, the shorter the time, and the shorter also the space to be traversed. Thus, if the force were infinitely great, time and space would be infinitely small, they would cease to exist. If the force was infinitely small, time and space would be infinitely great. But, again the force is not everything, because in reality it does not exist. All that exists is the impulse that is applied to the body in space and imparts momentum to it. The body's movement is then only limited by the resistance it has to overcome. What does exist then is the momentum that arises from the impulse of the force, and not the force itself.

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 12:38:23 AM
Using a lens with a micron thin layer of sandwiched ferro fluid to map external magnetic fields via optic affects of the field on the magnetic fluid. Red, yellow and green radial LED's are spaced evenly; facing inward into the edge of the lens. The light from the LED's warps around the magnets as it passes through the fluid. This is the basic version video with one magnet from youtube user, SirZerp.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD6C6f2nu0U

Check out SirZerp's Channel for more videos on viewing the magnetic fields in real time, they are much better than the "basic version video", and here his more information about this technique, http://www.scribd.com/doc/28943933/Photographing-Magnetic-Lines-of-Constant-Scalar-Potential

The Dynamic Etalon is another method, and was conceived and developed as an economical tool for magnetic research.  Basically, this unique lens is a Fabry-Perot Interferometer combined with a modified Hele-Shaw cell. The nano particle mixture within the lens respond dynamically in the presence of a magnetic field.

A real-time holographic representation of magnetic flux is clearly visible to the observer or image recorder, unlike a typical computer generated pattern plotted by software. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byxCYvDjFRM

Here is more information on the Dynamic Etalon method, http://www.nanomagnetics.us/dynamic%20etalon.htm

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 12:41:46 AM
SeaMonkey, Captain Zero:

When you try to imply that I am a "paid operative" or whatever, I consider that reckless endangerment and you potentially put my life in danger.  If my name ever slipped out, then it would take five minutes to know where I live and where I work and what I look like.

The percentage of mentally unstable people on the free energy forums is certainly much higher than that of the general population.  I don't want a nutcase to drive an icepick through my skull while I am walking down the street.  Do you get that?  Stop trying to imply that I am something that I am not because you recklessly put my life in danger when you do that.  I don't give a sh*t if the chances are small, it doesn't make any difference.  You guys disagree?  Then both of you go ahead and post your real names, your pictures, where you live, and where you work.  Not going to do that because you are uncomfortable with that?  No sh*t!

Just recently Captain Zero took some pot-shots at me and then actually made a posting ENCOURAGING other people to attack me.  Captain Zero, you stop that also.  Do you understand me?

I am not going to be murdered by some psychotic pulse motor psycho that is being egged on by some free energy sourpuss that dislikes rational thought, and you two stop it right now.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 12:56:31 AM
Theoria:

Re:  Your explanation for the ferrofluid cones.

Quote
simplex lowest pressure seeking mutual reciprocation

What do you mean by 'simplex?'

What pressure?  What are the units for this pressure?  How is it measured?

Mutual reciprocation of what?  Reciprocation between what entities?

How does this all explain ferrofluid taking on a conical shape when under the influence of a magnetic field?

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 12:56:51 AM
Call a photon whatever you like, but it doesn't change what it is! 


I agree in premise,  ;D  ;D Can call a rose another name, its properties are the same.......

however CANNOT agree definitionally
, because all it does is PROP UP the ENORMOUS BS of Atomistic "unicorn particles" that make up the bread and butter of the Cult of Quantum.


GR and QM are 100% no different than ancient Greek Atomism.


To make any cultist of GR or QM twitch like a worm... ask them to "define a field"  ;D ;D


You said:
""""You don't believe in photons, electrons,""""


You dont get it.    A: what I "believe" makes no matter, what  IS , is all that matters.

You cannot keep using and evoking forth the PANTHEON OF PARTICLE BS  (of GR and QM), all it does is "feed the beast" that the Universe is an OCEAN of pixie-dust and unicorn "magic" particles  ::)  :o

No such pixie dust nonsense, these are mental excreta concepts from GR and QM.



Have you even READ the  horsesh*t that comes from fools like  Feynman (and the morons like him) to explain magnetism and action at a distance  ?????
   ;D  ;D

That Feynman and others have declared (as he has done in his mystical book: QED strange theory of light and matter) that
magnetism is mediated by “virtual photons” is no different than the Pope declaring mother Marry as healing a sick child from a
pendant worn at the neck. Humanity has placed, as dept. chairs in countless universities and likewise, heads of mathematics and
physics, people who are quite literally insane, are deep thinkers, but insane ones. The insane asylums of the world are full of genuinely
deep thinkers, however it is not for sake of deep thinking they are locked up and away from others! So, taking a cue from Quantum
mysticism we then ask the expert (fool) relativist “since you declare magnetism to be mediated by ‘virtual photons’, what is same?”.

Answer received? Yes, here we have it: “A virtual particle is an abstraction, which facilitates in calculations and understanding, the
term is very vague and loosely defined, they never appear as inputs or outputs of experiments, their existence is questionable at
best,…however they are very useful in rendering concepts and making equations balance out”. Well, insanity has been reified, at last!



Time should play the part instead of meters or distance. We should look upon Time as the result of the force that impels a body through space. The greater the force, the shorter the time, and the shorter also the space to be traversed. Thus, if the force were infinitely great, time and space would be infinitely small, they would cease to exist. If the force was infinitely small, time and space would be infinitely great. But, again the force is not everything, because in reality it does not exist. All that exists is the impulse that is applied to the body in space and imparts momentum to it. The body's movement is then only limited by the resistance it has to overcome. What does exist then is the momentum that arises from the impulse of the force, and not the force itself.


Time, like SPACE, is a POSTERIOR to fields.    Time is just another human perceptual SKR3W.
Time, like space "does nothing"  "acts on nothing" and "causes nothing".

Induction between fields extrapolated (wrongly) as = TIME is wrong, even the ancient Greeks knew this fact.



Like the world FIELD (Khora), people throw around the word  FORCE   ;D  ;D  ;D

Force = tension = induction = field interactions.

Reifications of attributional properties of ONE PRINCIPLE (fields [Ether modalities]) is only a convolution of simplex truths of how nature works.

There are no “lines of force” .....polarization is by definition a force of Ether pressure gradients WITHIN which space is present and therefore SO TOO IS FORCE present.    There are no forces in space, there is SPACE created in a field which translates INTO force as fields generate, terminate, move divergently, convergently, centrifugally, centripetally etc etc etc

charge / discharge   on and on.



Even Plato and Plotinus warned about reification of Xaos (space).   Its a necessitated (ananke  GREEK TERM) attribute of fields (Khora/ Chora).
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 01:04:07 AM
The light from the LED's warps around the magnets as it passes through the fluid.


YES, and all that does is prop up what I said in the book,  that light, having a radial dielectric component will warp around the DIELECTRIC INERTIAL PLANE of the "magnet".    ;D  ;D


Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on July 20, 2014, 01:08:22 AM
Quote: SeaMonkey

" When men get all hypersensitive and start talkin'
like "wimmin" - it's the old power thing again.

Insult - Schminsult - now you guys are starting to
sound like Erron over at EF.

The Attackers here are very skilled at provoking
confrontational exchanges;  they're also very
good at deflecting responsibility.  They seem to
think their privileged status exempts them from
the rules of good order and discipline.  That they
have earned the "right" to play mischief in their
attacks.

Nothing is more pathetic than a Forum Man who
can dish it out but can't take the blowback.

You of course know to whom these references are
being made.

Set the Example of Gentlemanly conduct and it
will be found that Courtesy is Contagious.

Unless the Bad Boys persist in their fun...

But remember, there is a better Way. "



'Profoundly stated and undeniably true.'



And yes TA was somewhat condescending toward MH...but deservedly so...and is appreciated by me fror doing what NOBODY else around here has done...and that is make MH go silent.

The serenity was welcomed by many, but alas, short lived, as he has found shelter in the intervention of other wise but honest members who have begun to engage the theories of TA.

Rarely has someone (MH) who knows so much done so little.


Wattsup and GB are two of the most  knowledgeable members here, and people I respect and lean from...the other usual suspects, I have learned its best to scroll on by.

Their focus is on constructive ideaology, as opposed to the destructive negativity espoused incessantly on newly raised subject matter.

Such activity is regularly used by the gatekeepers to stunt the outgrowth of new concepts, which many times is the outcome of failed experiments.

Carry on 'gentlemen'.

Regards...




Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 01:10:44 AM
Theoria:

What do you mean by 'simplex?'

What pressure?  What are the units for this pressure?  How is it measured?

Mutual reciprocation of what?  Reciprocation between what entities?



magnetic field reciprocation,  said it 100 times.

between the inertial plane in the ELECTRIFIED "magnet" which is really a dielectric object.........said it 100 times.

Look up SIMPLEX vs. SIMPLE

Measured resultantly by EMF     If you dont know this, you know nothing.


The same pressure that "holds up" the entire Universe son,  magneto-dielectricity,    as found in the interatomic, and  "marveled" over in the "supermagnet" etc etc.

As seen in Galactic jet geometries.

Get off the keyboard and go EXPERIMENT,  you are lazy and a shiftless skeptic and what  Gotama called a "Eel wriggler"

You remind me of Feynman in his video when he was asked "how magnets work (at a distance)".


"College produces some fine well educated idiots" - Jennings    ;D ;D
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 01:11:08 AM


You have yet to say ANYTHING,   earlier your admit to being a keyboard jockey.

You dont experiment,

you dont invent,

You dont CREATE anything,

You dont sit down with a voltmeter and wind coils, and do experiments, and look into new research or ideas,

You dont use the Platonic methodology of EITHER induction or the most important one, retroduction.



you merely state over and over  "thats wrong,  thats wrong"      That, son, is a fallacy.



1 page ago you said you were an "expert on the bedini motor"  and that you "NEVER BUILT ONE"     


How proud that must make you    ;D ;D ;D     I mean lazy and shiftless.

Theoria,

The spaghetti is definitely not sticking on the wall and I have already addressed your comments before.  A Bedini motor is about as simple as it gets.  So yes, I am an expert on Bedini motors without having built one.  It's you that can't explain how the coil works in a Bedini motor after your years and years of research.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 01:14:48 AM
Rarely has someone (MH) who knows so much done so little.


Ive seen NO evidence he knows ANYTHING,  he doesn't experiment, doesn't do anything but flap his lips and say "thats wrong"

Hes typical of the academic pseudo-intellectual,    all he can do (like a bird vomiting up digested worm puke to the baby birds) regurgitate the trash he worships from GR and QM.


I know the "Emperor has no clothes on"     he thinks he does have them on.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 01:18:31 AM
A Bedini motor is about as simple as it gets. So yes, I am an expert on Bedini motors without having built one.


Ive built a couple.    You? Nothing.

Again, you are confusing SIMPLE with SIMPLEX  what is SIMPLEX is not simple  (as ANY magnet, as i show and confirm)



Scientifically, intellectually,  .. claiming to be "AN EXPERT" on something you never built , is ,..... by TESLA and FARADAY, and STEINMETZ methodology of experimentation is on the level of CHILD MOLESTATION

intellectually that is.    Its just NOTHING but absurd, insane, laughable, and pathetic.

Any inventor would laugh their arse off at this statement you made.

carry on.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 01:25:46 AM
Theoria:

Quote
Ive seen NO evidence he knows ANYTHING

You are playing the buffoon.  I have made some solid technical arguments.  I suppose that you are in your own little North Korea with a population of one.  So you can propagandize to yourself, and also believe yourself, and also persecute yourself.  Astute readers will decide who is demonstrating some competence.

Prove that you understand how a coil works in a pulse circuit if you want to show that you know something.

Captain Zero:

Stop whining because people say things that you don't want to hear.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 01:29:45 AM
I have made some solid technical arguments.

Yes, one presumes YOU think you have done so.   However like an old man with a vasectomy, ...you have, intellectually, been "shooting blanks"




They say "RESULTS MATTER"


Show me your book proving I'm full of BS   (actually I like being proving wrong, my mind isnt a rusted closed door like yours son)

Show me /us your patents,  your inventions

Show us your physical experiments and (like any good experimenter) your voltmeter that you live with like your own child.


Yeah, thats right  ;D   I / WE don't see that coming forward.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 01:35:42 AM
Theoria:

Re:  Bedini motors and building them

I have made all of the measurements on various types of pulse circuits.  Have I made measurements on pulsing coils like you see in a Bedini motor?  The answer is yes.  Do I understand what is happening?  Yes I do!  Ask Captain Zero, if he is willing to be honest he will confirm what I am saying.  He is fully aware that I have a solid grasp of electronics.

Unfortunately although you have built Bedini motors, you don't actually know how they work.  I base this on recently debating with you and asking you some questions that you avoided answering.  It all ties into playing with some coils and a scope and leading yourself down a garden path.

How is a coil like a flywheel?  Based on what I have seen you can't answer that question.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 01:40:41 AM
I have a very simple $20 Radio Shack digital multimeter!  I threw my CMOS chips and my TTL chips and my PALs and GALs and transistors and MOSFETs out about 20 years ago!  But I can spin circles around you on a bench, that I can assure you of.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 01:42:28 AM
I have made all of the measurements on various types of pulse circuits.  Have I made measurements on pulsing coils like you see in a Bedini motor?  The answer is yes.


You really really dont know how disgusting that statement is.    Do you?    Serious as a heart attack, do you honestly NOT know how perverse and intellectually pathetic that statement is?

You're like the "expert on bigfoot" ,  .......ever seen one you ask them?    NO!!     ROFL  ;D


Tesla was up to his ASS in copper and physical experimentation.  He PRODUCED,      you pontificate and flap your gums.

Its intellectually disgusting. 


How is a coil like a flywheel?


Nice vague statement there son.  ;D  ;D  WHAT coil,  There are more types of coils than there are types of birds.

loaded question fallacy
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 01:47:00 AM
But I can spin circles around you on a bench, that I can assure you of.

You never met me, you know nothing about me.   

But that's good, lets keep it that way son.

  "Baseless claims are the fodder of fools"  -E. Masters


Now, go take your $20 Chinese Radio Shack junk voltmeter and go INVENT something and show me your patent(s).


Having a $20 voltmeter is like a serious Cyclist using a Wal-Mart  SCHWINN bicycle in the Tour de France
   ;D  ;D


I can see you are serious !!
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 01:48:49 AM
Let's try this:  Please post three paragraphs about three electrical design issues for a Bedini motor.  I am absolutely serious.  Show us your stuff, discuss three separate electrical design issues to consider when you are building a Bedini motor.  Write out a full paragraph for each one.

Quote
Nice vague statement there son.

That was not a vague statement at all.   The question is very straightforward and I will repeat it with some more description for you:

How is an electrical coil like a physical flywheel spinning on a set of bearings?

I am looking forward to your reply.

MileHigh

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 02:00:08 AM
Re:  The discussion about the cones you see in ferrofluid when in a magnetic field.

I asked you this:

"What pressure?  What are the units for this pressure?  How is it measured?"

You replied with this:

"Measured resultantly by EMF     If you dont know this, you know nothing."

Really?  Where do you measure the EMF?

And the answer is that when you are staring at a ferrofluid cone, there is no EMF anywhere.  People like you like to use the term "pressure" all the time but the problem is that 99% of the time it is meaningless.  So you respond with "EMF" when put on the spot.  So please back up that claim, if you can, or simply retract it.

I like your quote so I will repeat it because it applies to you for the EMF claims for the ferrofluid cones:

"Baseless claims are the fodder of fools"  -E. Masters

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 02:09:59 AM
For what it's worth, I note that after my two recent postings Theoria signed off.  He fell down in the online user pecking oder then slipped off the list, so he has signed off for now.  I can suspect that my asking him to discuss three electrical design issues to consider for building a Bedini motor made him run away because he had nothing to say that would sound halfway intelligent.  He couldn't just bluff or be dismissive for that one.  Same thing for the coil-flywheel question.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 02:22:05 AM
Quote
Tesla was up to his ASS in copper and physical experimentation.  He PRODUCED,      you pontificate and flap your gums.

Did I ever say to you that I never experimented?  I never did and you are making presumptions.  Recently I made some reasonable estimates on the amount of bench time I have had overall and I estimate it is about 4500 hours.  That's four thousand five hundred hours.  That's a little over two years full-time work on an electronics bench.  That's not a huge amount in the overall scheme of things but it's a respectable amount of time.  So any histrionic comments from you about me having no practical bench experience are false.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: SeaMonkey on July 20, 2014, 02:37:49 AM
SeaMonkey, Captain Zero:

When you try to imply that I am a "paid operative" or whatever, I consider that reckless endangerment and you potentially put my life in danger.  If my name ever slipped out, then it would take five minutes to know where I live and where I work and what I look like.

The percentage of mentally unstable people on the free energy forums is certainly much higher than that of the general population.  I don't want a nutcase to drive an icepick through my skull while I am walking down the street.  Do you get that?  Stop trying to imply that I am something that I am not because you recklessly put my life in danger when you do that.  I don't give a sh*t if the chances are small, it doesn't make any difference.  You guys disagree?  Then both of you go ahead and post your real names, your pictures, where you live, and where you work.  Not going to do that because you are uncomfortable with that?  No sh*t!

Just recently Captain Zero took some pot-shots at me and then actually made a posting ENCOURAGING other people to attack me.  Captain Zero, you stop that also.  Do you understand me?

I am not going to be murdered by some psychotic pulse motor psycho that is being egged on by some free energy sourpuss that dislikes rational thought, and you two stop it right now.

MileHigh


Miles,

I certainly don't wish for you to be discouraged in
any way.  I really do enjoy reading your postings
and believe you perform a valuable service within
this forum.

It's unfortunate that you feel fearful of your well
being.  I can't imagine anyone seriously contemplating
a physical attack upon your person.  But of course
one never knows.

The level of paranoia that you're demonstrating is indeed
discomfiting.  For what it's worth I've never gotten the
impression that you're a "paid operative."

Be well and keep doin' what you do.  With as much
gentlemanly consideration as you can muster.

Quote from: MilesHigher
I threw my CMOS chips and my TTL chips and my
PALs and GALs and transistors and MOSFETs out
about 20 years ago!

I sincerely hope that you mean you donated those
valuable items to a worthy experimenter rather
than actually throwing them out!

Waste not, want not...
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 02:48:01 AM

I agree in premise,  ;D ;D Can call a rose another name, its properties are the same.......

however CANNOT agree definitionally
, because all it does is PROP UP the ENORMOUS BS of Atomistic "unicorn particles" that make up the bread and butter of the Cult of Quantum.


GR and QM are 100% no different than ancient Greek Atomism.


To make any cultist of GR or QM twitch like a worm... ask them to "define a field"  ;D ;D


You said:
""""You don't believe in photons, electrons,""""


You dont get it.    A: what I "believe" makes no matter, what  IS , is all that matters.

You cannot keep using and evoking forth the PANTHEON OF PARTICLE BS  (of GR and QM), all it does is "feed the beast" that the Universe is an OCEAN of pixie-dust and unicorn "magic" particles  ::) :o

No such pixie dust nonsense, these are mental excreta concepts from GR and QM.



Have you even READ the  horsesh*t that comes from fools like  Feynman (and the morons like him) to explain magnetism and action at a distance  ??? ??
   ;D ;D

That Feynman and others have declared (as he has done in his mystical book: QED strange theory of light and matter) that
magnetism is mediated by “virtual photons” is no different than the Pope declaring mother Marry as healing a sick child from a
pendant worn at the neck. Humanity has placed, as dept. chairs in countless universities and likewise, heads of mathematics and
physics, people who are quite literally insane, are deep thinkers, but insane ones. The insane asylums of the world are full of genuinely
deep thinkers, however it is not for sake of deep thinking they are locked up and away from others! So, taking a cue from Quantum
mysticism we then ask the expert (fool) relativist “since you declare magnetism to be mediated by ‘virtual photons’, what is same?”.

Answer received? Yes, here we have it: “A virtual particle is an abstraction, which facilitates in calculations and understanding, the
term is very vague and loosely defined, they never appear as inputs or outputs of experiments, their existence is questionable at
best,…however they are very useful in rendering concepts and making equations balance out”. Well, insanity has been reified, at last!




Time, like SPACE, is a POSTERIOR to fields.    Time is just another human perceptual SKR3W.
Time, like space "does nothing"  "acts on nothing" and "causes nothing".

Induction between fields extrapolated (wrongly) as = TIME is wrong, even the ancient Greeks knew this fact.



Like the world FIELD (Khora), people throw around the word  FORCE   ;D ;D ;D

Force = tension = induction = field interactions.

Reifications of attributional properties of ONE PRINCIPLE (fields [Ether modalities]) is only a convolution of simplex truths of how nature works.

There are no “lines of force” .....polarization is by definition a force of Ether pressure gradients WITHIN which space is present and therefore SO TOO IS FORCE present.    There are no forces in space, there is SPACE created in a field which translates INTO force as fields generate, terminate, move divergently, convergently, centrifugally, centripetally etc etc etc

charge / discharge   on and on.



Even Plato and Plotinus warned about reification of Xaos (space).   Its a necessitated (ananke  GREEK TERM) attribute of fields (Khora/ Chora).

Like I said, I don't agree with the Copenhagen probablilistic interpretation of quantum mechanics.  I also don't care too much about Feynman. 

Time is motion!  In this video of a "high road low road race (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX6eQgraqbg)", both paths start at the same height and end at the same height, so gravity doesn't provide either path with an extra advantage (The net fall is the same for both cars).  However, the car that travels the greatest distance wins the race!  The shortest distance between two points is a straight line, and the shortest Time between two points is a curved path!  Mass travels faster on a curve than it does a straight line.  In reality, it's a rectilinear motion through space.  All that exists is the impulse that is applied to the body in space and imparts momentum to it.   The impulse is the product of the force and the time for which it is applied .  Without motion, then there is no Time for the force to impart momentum to it.  Without Time, then there is no force to impart momentum to an object, thus there would be no motion.

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: SeaMonkey on July 20, 2014, 02:53:20 AM
Quote from: gravityblock
Mass travels faster on a curve than it does a straight line.

As demonstrated in the experiment it certainly can.  The
steep initial decline and its gravity boost are helpful.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 02:59:30 AM
People like you like to use the term "pressure" all the time but the problem is that 99% of the time it is meaningless.


Since you do NO experiments, I suggest you put your hand between two N55 gauss  2x2x1  neodymium iron borons and tell us about pressure


report back with your findings.



Speaking of experiments,  NOT addressing yourself, I just got done with my 10th experiment of biological effects on a NON LIVING SYSTEM (explain that in the 3rd edition) that will make peoples heads pop right off their shoulders.


See that?  Thats what experiments are for. I have reporting these findings to a few people, they fell backwards when they saw the pictures.


Now, go back to your non-experimentation son.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 03:01:14 AM
For what it's worth, I note that after my two recent postings Theoria signed off.


Actually son, I was resetting my EXPERIMENT  (have 3 ongoing ones that take time and have to be reset)


You know, that stuff you dont do.   
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 03:03:34 AM
SeaMonkey:

Well thank you for stating that you don't think I am a "paid operative."  I don't want you to ever even slightly imply it in a future posting.

You are from the Navy and you must know the logic of submarine warfare.  I think TK knows it also.  Something like "Type I, II, and III" errors.  If you are in a submarine, you can't afford one of those errors no matter how slight the chances are because a mistake would mean certain death.

A few years ago I read a posting by some pulse motor builder and he talked about how many weapons he had and how he was willing to fight it out to the death with the Feds in some kind of "Ruby Ridge" scenario - for a bloody PULSE MOTOR.

How may postings have we seen from "crazy people" that show up for a day or two and say crazy stuff and then disappear never to be heard from again?  The answer is lots.

If you and other people like Captain Zero and people like him keep on saying or implying over and over that I am a paid operative or I am with the MIB then that can sink in with one or more mentally unstable regulars or one or more mentally unstable regular lurkers.

How many times do you see even "mainstream" regulars around here and on the Energetic Forum make comments that some medium to high-profile free energy proposition disappeared because they "probably threatened his life."   You see that ALL the time.

I can't afford a "Type II" (whichever) error.  I do NOT WANT mentally unstable people to read over and over that I am some "evil paid operative."

That applies to you, Captain Zero, E2matrix, and anybody that does it.  Any posting that has even the slightest whiff of implication that I am some kind of evil person in the employ of some evil entity will be reported.  It's time for this nonsense to stop.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 03:07:35 AM
The shortest distance between two points is a straight line, and the shortest Time between two points is a curved path!


Agreed on ALL   ;)  ;)


However time and motion are just co-eternal attributes of the "same egg". 

The shortest point of LOW PRESSURE SEEKING magnetic centrifugal movements is (of course) ALSO A CURVED PATH to centripetal reintegration.


Proving yet again that SPACE is just a human perceptual mind skr3w of field mediations / overlapping/ divergences / convergences  etc etc etc  charge / discharge.




I just got done resetting my experiments (that Ive done many times already),  Ill publish it in my 3rd edition, I got result I did NOT EXPECT  :o (but should have!!!!!!!)  regarding biological non-living (will explain in the book) magnetic effects 3D effects that will make your head POP OFF your shoulders.

I wont mention it here in any detail, I want it set it stone as proof along with the 3rd edition


At least it did mine, and the few I have shown the results to!   I need to go get a Pizza to celebrate this discovery!!!!    Hurray!!!    ;)  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 03:10:25 AM

Actually son, I was resetting my EXPERIMENT  (have 3 ongoing ones that take time and have to be reset)


You know, that stuff you dont do.   

I do "do," you just read how I have lots of bench experience.

Okay so you are back.  So please prove that you are not bluffing and discuss three electrical design issues for a Bedini motor.  After all, you have built several.  Also please answer the coil-flywheel question.

Thanks,

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 03:10:27 AM
Energetic Forum make comments that some medium to high-profile free energy proposition

MileHigh


I assume you arent referring to me son,.......  I make NO mention NOR claims etc etc  regarding FREE energy, or Overunity, or harvesting cow farts for powering cars.


or the other ENORMOUS plethora of free energy quackery that spins on the evil WWW.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 20, 2014, 03:12:34 AM
@tinman

The simple fact that you are producing bubbles in water is enough to produce the spin. The bubbles when created displace the surrounding water that wants to move back into the position where is was before it was displaced. All those bubbles now move upwards and given the bubbles are round and the water has friction, any main rise direction will produce some spin that will be maintained until another spin direction becomes more prevalent. We cannot say that it is the magnetic field above the magnet that is creating the spin, but we do see the effect and we can easily misunderstand this as the magnet generating the spin on its own.

In your case there is no magnetic attraction between the bubbles and the magnet since the bubbles are not metallic or magnetic themselves. They are just caught up in the rising momentum all reaching the top and then continuing to rise out. Also, the bubbles rising up the magnet sidewall create a differential of surface stress on the magnet that adds to the momentum of spin, but again, none of that can be directly attributable to the magnetic field.

Anyways, the main question then arises as per the effects explained by @TA, and that is, in one instance the magnet is producing a vortex but in another instance the magnet is producing cones with ferrofluid. So which one is it, vortex or cones.

wattsup
Wattsup-did you watch the video?. If so,can you explain as to why we get zero spin when i use the piece of pipe that has no magnetic field,and as soon as i add a magnet to that very same piece of pipe,we get a very clear spin. Why dose the spin direction change when flipping a magnet over-the very same magnet,with the very same shape?.
The magnetic fields are needed to create the spin,there is no doubt about that.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 03:20:04 AM


YOU SAID:
It appears Bayles' quantum vlm rotational velocity is the same as your "dielectric inertial plane".

It looks like thats the case yes,  TOO BAD his brain fahrt  calls is a "quantum rim"



YES, and all that does is prop up what I said in the book,  that light, having a radial dielectric component will warp around the DIELECTRIC INERTIAL PLANE of the "magnet".    ;D ;D

In case you haven't noticed, I've been posting information to prop up your book!  I'm in agreement with you on the magnetic vortex and on the dielectric inertial plane, as you decided to refer to it.  However, I do not agree with you on your views on QM.  I understand how and why you feel the way you do about QM, but I don't agree with you on this issue.

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 03:22:25 AM
Why dose the spin direction change when flipping a magnet over-the very same magnet,with the very same shape?.


Your video is GREAT, your experimentation is VERY COMMENDABLE AND (AT LEAST BY ME) HIGHLY PRIZED!  ;)


Spin anything, your wife, your dog, a ball, a rope   and you will get ONE SPIN

but from either side, CW spin , and the other side CCW spin

The perceptual SCR3W of human perception  ....   Xaos (Greek for SPACE)  ;D
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 03:25:42 AM
In case you haven't noticed, I've been posting information to prop up your book!


Kind regards, I was actually merely joking with you.   Sometimes (often) its hard to see INTENT and humorous (versus skeptical or sarcastic) intent via web dialogue.

wink wink, nudge nudge      ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ona-RhLfRfc

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 03:26:20 AM
Tinman:

I am pretty sure that I figured out the explanation for your test.  I only watched the first four minutes of your clip but I think I get it.  If you flip over the magnet or if you reverse the polarity of the voltage then the vortex changes direction, correct?   (oops not sure if you changed the voltage polarity because I am not sure if the metal will react the same way and still produce bubbles.)

I will give you a hint.  Think about the example of the CRT test in one of Theoria's clips where he points the magnet straight at the monitor.

MileHigh

P.S.:  It appears that Theoria can't explain your neat little experiment either and served up a small word salad instead.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 03:29:35 AM

I will give you a hint. 


No, I will give YOU A HINT, 
 

 I have different 9 testing media that have NOTHING TO DO WITH ELECTRICITY (of the medium),  such as the zapped magnet, or the CRT tube.


And my new (ongoing) experiment proves 10 TOTAL
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 03:31:49 AM

Check out SirZerp's Channel for more videos on viewing the magnetic fields in real time, they are much better than the "basic version video", and here his more information about this technique, http://www.scribd.com/doc/28943933/Photographing-Magnetic-Lines-of-Constant-Scalar-Potential
Gravock


CANNOT OPEN THAT DOCUMENT,   Do you have it???? Says its private and BLOCKED
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 03:32:57 AM

No, I will give YOU A HINT, 
 

 I have different 9 testing media that have NOTHING TO DO WITH ELECTRICITY (of the medium),  such as the zapped magnet, or the CRT tube.


And my new (ongoing) experiment proves 10 TOTAL

We are discussing Tinman's experiment and your 'hint' is a plug for your own experiments?

Why don't you take a second crack at explaining Tinman's experiment?
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 03:41:05 AM
Why don't you take a second crack at explaining Tinman's experiment?


I already did that, its in the book you never read.


Tinmans experiment is the same one done YEARS AGO by a Youtube-R  called  "magnetflipper"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAl1LVPbYhY



I already explained (which you never read) 3 pages ago HOW to get vortex formations, either HIGH VOLUME high speed (CRT, hydrogent bubbles, WEAK SULFURIC ACID TESTING which shows magnetic vortex movements.......), or low volume low speed viscous solutions and suspensions.

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: 93RDELEMENT on July 20, 2014, 03:47:34 AM
Oh dear loos like you people have lost the plot ! Its ok I am here now and please stick with the science no paranoid rubbish no one is going to get hurt or insulted its all just words ! NOW I AM THE BEST QUANTOUM MACHANIC ON PLANET EARTH AT THIS POINT IN TIME ! OK !

What that means is in simple terms is I am very very good at what I do  ! Please now everyone relax calm down than hold on to your head and let me open up your brain box and fill it with exotic matter than you can spin into my zero point vortex and start to learn the rules of quantum reality ..

I have been here before but it all got very strange someone started to use my computer to cause me a lot of trouble than some mad man pretended they were me hahahahahha !

So you think you know about vortex magnetics the mystery of the vacuum and no doubt you have read Maxwell's equations seen some videos read some books and now you are ready to talk about it as if you know all and everything hahahaha How wrong you will be !! Vortex technology is more than an energy system it can do some very strange things in paranormal terms to including quantum tunnelling on a dimensional level something you all should be a wear off ...

I am here again to re gain my position and take back some of my stolen technology but only to make the final corrections and offer an amazing experiment that we can all share and learn from . Please treat me as a human and know that I am a GENTELMAN and a very intelligent one I hope to receive reflections of the same quality to that I am familiar with ! No small talk cheap back stabbing remarks or scientific rubbish ! I don't care for your academics as most books on physics is now so far out of date they need a mental health warning to them that are stuck in there Newtonian world .

There is only one universe ! LETS TAKE AWAY TIME AND SPACE AT ONE COLUMB PER VOLT ! MMMMMMMM
FORMULA..................................TIME = MASS and VOLT = SPACE .....................................................

Excel orate this formula and just before the universe is sucked back into a tiny hole and I do mean a hole you will be left with one He + H + one free electron at - 360K oh yes - 360k not -273k hahahah take away the mass and the energy will follow take away the energy the universe will get colder ... Its entropy in reverse now I know that you will agree that you have never heard that one before ! Because they don't want you to know ! Who ever they are they certainly do not want you to know ...

As we have closed the hole in time and space we can take a closer look at the 3 reaming components and I can also confirm that at - 360K YOU WILL ONLY MESSURE A SUPER STRING !!! But for now just take a closer look at the electron it has 2.2 trillion XY particles and is not spinning as we have taken away time but x IS ON OFF ON OFF and is the same with Y ... This on off on off between the x and y happens at 800 000 000 HZ that's
50 000 000 ABOVE THE NUMBER FOR THE LIGHT SPEED CONSTANT but that is only at -273k hahah as the universe in now at its maximum lowest temperature - 360k light can speed up as the resistance has weakened .

Now lets look at an atom at -273k the electrons are very slow the nuclei are very big there has been an expansion and time is now stuck at the speed of light but there is the remains of the very cold universe inside the atom between electrons in fact between all the particles of its in tier mass ! The true distance between all finite particles is equal to infinity because the temperature between these tiny particles is -360k but the surface temperature of the mass of any particle of the said atom is -273k !

This sets up a vacuum in the quantum dimensional inverse laws between all mass including gravity ! Now I can write it in ;jbviobnv k ;n eruv[un]wr[vb;kj  j ;kjqe jq jvj  or any dam language you like ....

Now we can see the vacuum but we want to test it open it up make energy with it fly a zero G craft but please no weapon systems !!!

Its all very simple .................. But if you all Carrie on writing in a paranoid personalised political and insulting way than you do NOT need to know about the vacuum you need a head DR drugs and some rest ... But if you are forth coming with honesty love and sharing you might stand a chance to own a vacuum vortex zero point generator .... like me !!!!!

Yours truly





   










 




 
     



   





 



 





   



Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 03:49:47 AM
That "Magnetflipper" guy is a real hoot because he is obviously clueless.  I watched his clips years ago myself.

Please stop pointing to your book.  If you can explain Tinman's experiment do it here and now. 

Quote
I already explained (which you never read) 3 pages ago HOW to get vortex formations, either HIGH VOLUME high speed (CRT, hydrogent bubbles, WEAK SULFURIC ACID TESTING which shows magnetic vortex movements.......), or low volume low speed viscous solutions and suspensions.

With respect to Tinman's clip the above is just a word salad.  Please explain what is going on in Tinnman's clip in your own words right here and right now or simply admit that you are unable to explain it.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on July 20, 2014, 03:58:59 AM
Another Mile High miss:

" If you and other people like Captain Zero and people like him keep on saying or implying over and over that I am a paid operative or I am with the MIB then that can sink in with one or more mentally unstable regulars or one or more mentally unstable regular lurkers.

How many times do you see even "mainstream" regulars around here and on the Energetic Forum make comments that some medium to high-profile free energy proposition disappeared because they "probably threatened his life."   You see that ALL the time.

I can't afford a "Type II" (whichever) error.  I do NOT WANT mentally unstable people to read over and over that I am some "evil paid operative."

That applies to you, Captain Zero, E2matrix, and anybody that does it.  Any posting that has even the slightest whiff of implication that I am some kind of evil person in the employ of some evil entity will be reported.  It's time for this nonsense to stop. "



Just what do you think people are to conclude when one engages in the type of conduct that your continually do ?

If you wish that people will stop calling you a thief, then it only makes sense to stop doing things that make you look like a thief...its that simple.

If I had half your technological background, i would have had a free energy device a long time ago...or I would have collaborated with a like mind to create one.

How about contributing instead of quashing ideas for a change ?

Watch what happens to your reputation when you explore new 'out of the box 'ideas instead of stifling everything raised for discussion...or simply butting out when you have nothing positive to offer.

You are your own worst enemy.

Hasn't it occurred to you that I do not critisize people like wattsup and GB and the like...and why you and a few othere here are singled out ?

Do not pretend to be that dense that you cannot see how you come across on here.

Regards...

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 03:59:53 AM
Timnan:

Feel free to contemplate your experiment and my hint.  I will give the answer tomorrow at about the same time.  If somebody chimes in and offers up a good explanation I will respond in turn.

Little puzzles like this are fun and good for the noggin.  If you don't get it by tomorrow, hopefully my explanation will make sense to you.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 20, 2014, 04:01:40 AM
Tinman:

I am pretty sure that I figured out the explanation for your test.  I only watched the first four minutes of your clip but I think I get it.  If you flip over the magnet or if you reverse the polarity of the voltage then the vortex changes direction, correct?   (oops not sure if you changed the voltage polarity because I am not sure if the metal will react the same way and still produce bubbles.)

I will give you a hint.  Think about the example of the CRT test in one of Theoria's clips where he points the magnet straight at the monitor.

MileHigh

P.S.:  It appears that Theoria can't explain your neat little experiment either and served up a small word salad instead.
@MH-and TK if your still watching.
Could you please take the time to watch all of the video-i think it's needed.
MH-if i swap the polarity over,i get no bubbles from the magnet's,and the copper oxide from the copper plate starts to flow over to the magnet-and we start to coat the magnet with copper,as we know will happen with electro plateing.

I do not know 100% as to what effect the magnet has or is doing in regards to the CRT screen,so telling me to think of that as an example is just sending me deeper into the forrest lol. So a clear explination would be really helpful here-i mean,this is how we learn.

As the electric field is uniform around the magnet(via the current carried by the water) i have to eliminate the effect that causes a homopolar motor to work. To me it seems that the magnetic field has an effect on the hydrogen atoms spin direction :-\,as we are only producing hydrogen gas around the PM.

Next i am going to try an electromagnet,to see if a near electric field has any effect on the spin effect we see with a PM. ???
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 04:05:01 AM
Captain Zero:

In a virtual sense, you don't realize that you have on thick glazed glasses that make you look like there are two eyeball-sized spheres on your face.  It's that bad.  You spilled your beans there but I already knew it.

I will repeat:  DO NOT try to imply in any way that I am evil or MIB.  I will not tolerate it because there are safety issues to consider.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 04:05:22 AM
Please explain what is going on in Tinnman's clip in your own words right here and right now or simply admit that you are unable to explain it.


I can see you have no idea that you're speaking to someone far far far better skilled at seeing fallacies, loaded questions, and 'honeypot loaded questions'.


I did explain it pages ago, I did explain it in the book.   Go look it up yourself.     You're a lazy keyboard jockey son.   ;D


Hydrogen bubble vortex magneto-centrifugal edge movement as it raises to pressure gradient equalization (as a gas) in the water he has it in.
diamagnetic H2 bubbles running in flow with centrifugal high speed magnetic vortex flow.


I can do the same thing with charged graphite dust in suspension.

likewise with BISMUTH DUST (with no electrification needed of course)
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 04:08:50 AM
Tinman:

I will try to get through your clip but I can't guarantee it.  This thread is not super-huge at this point and the clue should not be too hard to find.

All will be revealed tomorrow if nobody gets it.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 04:09:43 AM
Captain Zero:
 DO NOT try to imply in any way that I am evil

No worries, I would never imply this.


You're a hubris filled keyboard jockey who has been sucking off the teets of  GR and QM   Atomistic mysticism your whole life.


You dont invent

You dont create

You dont experiment.




Which is OK, .....its that you're a "worthless lump" , a SPEED BUMP on the road of discovery to WEAKER MINDS than mine who DO experiment, test, discover, and investigate.

Your brand of BS would never work on me.
  I only feel bad for your "cant do it"  BS attitude which likely MAY and DOES work upon weaker minds.


Your entire premise in life is called a "dog in the manger"   Go look up that analogy.



Officially, you have a Phd in lip flapping and BS.    ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 04:14:45 AM
Theoria:

This is your explanation for Tinman's experiment:

Quote
Hydrogen bubble vortex magneto-centrifugal edge movement as it raises to pressure gradient equalization (as a gas) in the water he has it in.
diamagnetic H2 bubbles running in flow with centrifugal high speed magnetic vortex flow.

Sorry, but that is wrong.

However, it sounds like the propulsion method for the miniaturized submarine in Fantastic Voyage!  lol

MileHigh

P.S.:   A reminder about you:  (1) Failure to discuss three Bedini motor electrical design issues.  (2) Failure to discuss the coil-flywheel issue.  And this is from a person that has allegedly been studying this stuff for 20 years and has built several Bedini motors.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on July 20, 2014, 04:21:04 AM
Captain Zero:

In a virtual sense, you don't realize that you have on thick glazed glasses that make you look like there are two eyeball-sized spheres on your face.  It's that bad.  You spilled your beans there but I already knew it.

I will repeat:  DO NOT try to imply in any way that I am evil or MIB.  I will not tolerate it because there are safety issues to consider.

MileHigh



Safety issues for a pseudonym ??

In a PIGS eye there are.

I knew it was a waste of time...you are just what you come across as...and the titles come with the territory.

And you come across as a paid disinfo agent...so you will just have to live with that.

Stoopid is as stoopid does.



Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 04:26:02 AM

Sorry, but that is wrong.

However, it sounds like the propulsion method for the miniaturized submarine in Fantastic Voyage!  lol


A: rising gas in ANY liquid is no propulsion for anything son, NOR was it even implied pathetic child.


B: I warned you about the fallacy of a non-rebuttal   "no, thats wrong"


That feces doesnt fly here.     ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 04:26:29 AM
Wattsup-did you watch the video?. If so,can you explain as to why we get zero spin when i use the piece of pipe that has no magnetic field,and as soon as i add a magnet to that very same piece of pipe,we get a very clear spin. Why dose the spin direction change when flipping a magnet over-the very same magnet,with the very same shape?.
The magnetic fields are needed to create the spin,there is no doubt about that.

Your analysis is correct!  By taking a look at the Lorentz force in a conducting liquid using a diametrical current (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oabsU-YZR0) we can see there is a CW motion over one half of the magnet and a CCW rotation over the other half of the magnet.  These two cancel each other out resulting in no rotation when using a diametrical current in a traditional homopolar motor.  However, if we have two counter rotating discs over the same pole of a magnet (see snapshot below), then we can use a diametrical current.  I have personally conducted this experiment myself, and I can confirm there is a counter rotation of the disks (one disk rotating CW and the other disk rotating CCW).  Each disk was half the diameter of the magnet in my experiment.  Disk 1 and disk 2 can mesh together like gears.  This shows there are two dielectric inertial planes in a magnet instead of one dielectric inertial plane as TA wrongly concludes, lol.  Two counter rotating dielectric inertial planes moving one against the other like gears. 

On pages 136 & 137 which was previously posted (see snapshot below for a quick reference), Faraday talks about the 'center of motion'.  He says when the magnetic pole is on the outside of the center of motion, then the wire piece will move in a direction directly contrary to that taken when the pole was on the inside of the center of motion.

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 04:26:51 AM


Safety issues for a pseudonym ??

In a PIGS eye there are.

I knew it was a waste of time...you are just what you come across as...and the titles come with the territory.

And you come across as a paid disinfo agent...so you will just have to live with that.

Stoopid is as stoopid does.

This will be reported to Stefan.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 04:29:40 AM

B: I warned you about the fallacy of a non-rebuttal   "no, thats wrong"


To repeat:  All will be revealed tomorrow if nobody gets it.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 04:37:04 AM

CANNOT OPEN THAT DOCUMENT,   Do you have it? ??? Says its private and BLOCKED

I will look for this document.  I had a hard drive crash last year and lost most of my research.

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on July 20, 2014, 04:49:44 AM
This will be reported to Stefan.



...yes, and he will treat it as seriously as everyone here does...with a yawn...and possibly a burp if he's just eaten.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 04:56:29 AM
Tinman:

Okay I am going to answer it because Gravityblock half got it.  He starts out with a good explanation and points to a great YouTube clip but then he veers into pseudoscience with the stuff about "two dielectric inertial planes."

It all goes back to simple basic concepts about force on moving charges when they are cutting across magnetic field lines.  I posted a bunch of clips about that in this thread.

You know that current is flowing between the magnet and the copper plate.  Imagine the current flowing between the magnet and the copper plate being so many individual "current tubes" one next to the other.  Almost like a bunch of spaghetti strands that are tapered at each end.

Each "spaghetti strand" of conducting water is like the electron beams hitting the CRT screen.  The electron beam is bent into a twisted form on the CRT screen by force imparted on the beam when it moves through the static magnetic field of the magnet.  Likewise, each "spaghetti strand" of water with current flowing through it will experience a force on it when it travels through the static field of the magnet in the aquarium.

Since each "spaghetti strand" of conducting water is not solid, it will be displaced by the force.  All of the spaghetti strands of water will thus form a spinning vortex of water.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 04:57:18 AM
To repeat:  All will be revealed tomorrow if nobody gets it.

Conventionally speaking, by reversing the poles the charges will be cut by the field in the opposite direction.  Likewise, by reversing the current the charges will be cut by the field in the opposite direction.

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 20, 2014, 05:37:05 AM
Ahh-come on guy's,lets not turn this thread into a mud slinging match. I have great interest in this thread,as i feel many interesting things are yet to come. !! do we all know so much that we have nothing new to learn?!!

MH-what force that dosnt have a spin direction, causes the spagettie to bend in one direction?. Im sorry,but i just dont see how something can spin if an even force is applied to all side's ??? And if the force or field(or what ever you want to call it)from a magnet has no spin,and is even all around the pole,then why would the CRT screen show a spin type of effect picture-why would it not just show an even displacement around the magnet?-just like dropping a rock into a pond-why wouldnt the displacement be radial like the ripples in the pond?. If at all possable,a picture or sketch of my setup,showing why the spin is happening,would be great,because i just dont see how it's done.

My next video is only going to add to the mistery of this thread,and i look forward to all your thought's on it.
Who here believes that an electro magnet has the same field properties as a PM dose.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 05:48:00 AM
Tinman:

You know that current is flowing between the magnet and the copper plate.  Imagine the current flowing between the magnet and the copper plate being so many individual "current tubes" one next to the other.  Almost like a bunch of spaghetti strands that are tapered at each end.
MileHigh


Current of WHAT my pathetic child?      Your Unicorn electrons?


tubes?  ohhhhh, there are TUBES now?  ;D  ;D




Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on July 20, 2014, 05:48:36 AM
Look what this drama queen Mile High just sent me in a PM...Hope you all got a little chuckle of of it too.
 



" Dear Stefan:
 
It no fun to be called MIB because I am concerned about mentally unstable people and violence against me.  If this is stated over and over it could make someone believe it.  Sometime in the future I might go to a conference and literally be in fear of stating my overunity.com handle.  It's unacceptable for him to potentially put me in danger.
 
From Captain Zero:
 
Quote
 
Safety issues for a pseudonym ??
 
In a PIGS eye there are.
 
I knew it was a waste of time...you are just what you come across as...and the titles come with the territory.
 
And you come across as a paid disinfo agent...so you will just have to live with that.
 
Stoopid is as stoopid does.
 
 
Captain Zero has to understand that this kind of behaviour is unacceptable.
 
Thanks,
 
MileHigh "



Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 05:51:02 AM
Tinman:
 it will be displaced by the force.
MileHigh


Now son, explain FORCE in a total vacuum where your Unicorn particles cannot be.    ;D  ;D

"Force" leads to tension leads to INDUCTION  leads to FIELDS


Now lets see you explain what a FIELD is, since it cannot in NO *#(@)$  WAY involve your GR and QM  pixie dust  particles


Rehashed pathetic  Greek ATOMISM     GR and QM, the "Cult of Unicorn Particles"


Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 05:53:09 AM
Look what this drama queen Mile High just sent me in a PM...Hope you all got a little chuckle of of it too.
 

Hmmm, it looks like garden variety Schizo-affective paranoia disorder
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 05:56:22 AM
Tinman:

I will add some information but you are going to have to work at this on your own and bootstrap yourself and teach yourself.

Let's imagine a simplified setup:

In the center of the bottom aquarium you have the magnet.  You can easily imagine the toroidal form of the magnetic field.  It makes a kind of double mushroom cloud where one half is in the tank and the other half is below the tank.

So what will happen if you have current that flows from the top to the bottom of the tank in parallel spaghetti tubes?  Forget about the voltage source and and the wires and all that, it's irrelevant.   Just imagine spaghetti tubes of current all in parallel going from the top to the bottom at the start of the experiment.

Now, take the view from the top of the aquarium looking down into the water.  What do you see in terms of the current flow interacting with the magnetic field of the magnet.  Keep it simple, just look at four spaghetti tubes of current.  Relative to the magnet in the center of your field of view, you see one on the top, one on the bottom, one on the left and one on the right of the magnet and they are cutting through the mushroom cloud about half way from the center to the edge.

This is just an example of the Lorentz force.  It's just an application of one of the basic rules of electricity and magnetism.  Look at the setup and work out the forces for yourself.  I had to do it in 1977 in junior college, you can do it now.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on July 20, 2014, 06:01:06 AM
Hmmm, it looks like garden variety Schizo-affective paranoia disorder



I'm unsure of a proper diagnosis, but the imbalance is unmistakable.


'Hello this is my first conference - my name is Mile High - er, I mean Larry.'



Regards...



Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 06:09:54 AM
Captain Zero:

That was a stupid move.  My concerns are legitimate.

Theoria:

You define what a field is.   Also note that you were not even close in explaining the phenomenon in Tinman's experiment.  People that are reading this thread that have common sense but perhaps not a big technical background at least have a second opinion on your propositions to contemplate.  I find that there is a similarity to Marco Rodin and his coil.  Marco doesn't have a clue how a coil works.  Likewise, John Rohner doesn't have a clue how a car ignition circuit works.  It's like we are in some kooky British comedy from 1957 where a reality disconnect is the underlying comedic theme running through the whole film.  Your propositions and theories don't stand a chance in the real world, and when you are put to the test, you fail as expected.  It's the Rodin-Rohner model once again.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 06:30:24 AM
Captain Zero:

You make me laugh because you in your own way are simply disconnected and living in a dream world.  I think both you and E2matrix want to see every free energy proposition go forward, no matter how ridiculous and how many times very similar things have been resoundly refuted as being wrong.  That means that you couldn't give a rat's ass about gullible people squandering their money and giving it to criminals.  You want to sit back in your armchair and let a bunch of people get burned so you can indulge your fantasies.  Throw in your belligerent disregard for my request and your public posting of my email and that makes you one morally bankrupt frustrated guy on a forum where the only thing you can do is passively comment and try to milk the system and get people to squander their hard-earned money for your desires.  I am glad that I am not you.

Theoria:

Sorry, but you are just one in an endless line of people with propositions that don't makes sense that clearly can't punch their way out of a wet electronics or electromagnetics paper bag.  Lots of big talk and absolutely no substance.  You claim 20 years of research and study, but you couldn't even explain Tinman's experiment, not to mention the other basic things that I asked you that you avoided.

Your 15 minutes will be up soon and Captain Zero will latch on to the next guy that comes along and support him, even if the new guy's dubious theories are diametrically opposite to yours.  You are just expendable cannon fodder for Captain Zero and in six months you will be long gone and forgotten.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 06:36:47 AM
Also note that you were not even close in explaining the phenomenon in Tinman's experiment.


I warned you, son, about making baseless claims

That excreta doesnt fly here son.




you fail as expected
MileHigh


You mean the person who retired at 32 and currently has 4 patents, 2 degrees, and translates ancient Greek, Prakrit, former Russian translator for the Govt., and translates Sanskrit?

That failure (myself) ?   


Keep the jokes coming chuckles.  ;D  ;D




No, son, YOU USED the word FORCE over and over  (i.e. induction, i.e. FIELDS pressure gradients, i.e. just FIELDS)

Either define the words you keep using, or dont use them.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 06:40:28 AM
I will look for this document.  I had a hard drive crash last year and lost most of my research.

Gravock

Photographing Magnetic Lines of Constant Scalar Potential (http://www.overunity.com/downloads/sa/downfile/id/579/) (pdf download)

It looks like he has gone commercial.  If I remember correctly, he had a zip file that was 1GB+ containing all of his work.  There's some updated information about his work located at Revelution-Labs (http://www.revolution-labs.com/info/FAQ).

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 06:54:28 AM

Photographing Magnetic Lines of Constant Scalar Potential (http://www.overunity.com/downloads/sa/downfile/id/579/) (pdf download)

It looks like he has gone commercial.  If I remember correctly, he had a zip file that was 1GB+ containing all of his work.  There's some updated information about his work located at Revelution-Labs (http://www.revolution-labs.com/info/FAQ).

Gravock


Hey, you are awesome, !   Kind thanks.



I cannot wait to reveal some things in the 3rd edition that will knock peoples socks right off their feet.

I got results I was NOT even expecting, but should have.   Its just wonderful, and ties in the absolute basement "floor" of biological reactions into magnetism.

Much looking, I know nobody else has discovered this before  (not even Roy Davis and Rawls)  ;D
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 07:04:21 AM
Theoria:

"Your propositions and theories don't stand a chance in the real world, and when you are put to the test (about electronics), you fail as expected."

"You mean the person who retired at 32 and currently has 4 patents, 2 degrees, and translates ancient Greek, Prakrit, former Russian translator for the Govt., and translates Sanskrit?"

lol, Person #1 discusses subject A and person #2 completely ignores it and responds with off-topic and unrelated subject B.   You have done that something like 15 or 20 times now.

And you made reference to what was it, Platonic dialogue?

For me my gut feel is telling me that you are totally disingenuous.  Your claims about yourself are probably a sham just like your proposition is a sham.  The society is not healthy without the fringe.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 07:10:16 AM
Theoria:
For me my gut feel is telling me that you are totally disingenuous

Thats just gas you're feeling.

Go write a book and/or experiment.    You're as useless as tits on a bull.         ;D

Go invent something and then fight with a pair of expensive lawyers to get patent.    Oh wait, you never did that. My mistake.

You've got no cred son.      You're nothing but a lip flapping "speedbump" lost in your own mind of logomachy.


Lux et Veritas
 

Praise wisdom, seek truth, and step over the profane manyfolk upon the road of wisdom -  Proclus


Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 07:12:42 AM
Keep trying!  lol
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 07:15:54 AM

Hey, you are awesome, !   Kind thanks.



I cannot wait to reveal some things in the 3rd edition that will knock peoples socks right off their feet.

I got results I was NOT even expecting, but should have.   Its just wonderful, and ties in the absolute basement "floor" of biological reactions into magnetism.

Much looking, I know nobody else has discovered this before  (not even Roy Davis and Rawls)  ;D

Do you have a time frame of when you think the 3rd edition will be available?  I'm looking forward to it!  Also, how can we instantly dump the momentum from a non-local inductive source?

Thanks,

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 07:26:03 AM
Do you have a time frame of when you think the 3rd edition will be available?  I'm looking forward to it!  Also, how can we instantly dump the momentum from a non-local inductive source?

Thanks,

Gravock

Middle of august, there is a ton of content to add.

As for momentum dump,  still trying to figure that one out, only ideas.

However I have made 3 prototypes of a device that does something so amazing, that if I mention it here, it would be the scientific eventual of screaming RA'PE in a crowd, .....and the whole lot of you would call me 100% insane.


Ive shown 2 of them to 8 different people I trust, they all confirm the results.

Half of which said to be careful, that someone will 'take me out' if they're certain I have such a device


Yes yes, I know all this sounds like pure crazy; and if I were you I would agree.
Every day, sometimes several times a day I have to RE-convince myself by testing the devices, because the effects are too extraordinary to believe.

I am honestly (and have been told as much) 'afraid' to dare seek a patent for it.

I hate paranoia and MIB and all such conspiracy talk BS from the tinfoil hat crowd.......    but this is one device that would prove that valid if I attempted to file on its design and effects.


Trust me, I know that this is an absurd claim, I wouldn't believe me either on THIS POINT.  ::)


I was so happy I was walking on air for a month after creating the first prototype,  now I'm worried about even owning it. ........almost
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 08:23:30 AM



Here is the "device", my first prototype.

Obviously you cannot seen what is under the black, but it has 5-8 parts.    I wont say.


Also a picture of the 6 inch by 2" Neodymium magnet, shes a beast, and she actually hurts my EYES and face after experimenting in front of her for some time.


Price on them now is AWFUL, theyre $800 each now.  :o




Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 08:25:43 AM
Keep trying!  lol


Here is TRYING, learn what it LOOKS LIKE,  this isnt my lab, this is just stuff IN FRONT OF THE TV SET to "do" while watching the news


Get off your lazy arse and go "make" something.


See what a real voltmeter looks like.

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 08:47:38 AM
Middle of august, there is a ton of content to add.

As for momentum dump,  still trying to figure that one out, only ideas.

I know it can be done!  The water in a singing bowl won't rotate in the direction of the wand until a critical value has been reached (video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUvbBK9fGrw).  Once a critical value has been reached, then the water will very quickly begin to rotate in the direction of the wand.  Reversing the direction of the wand causes the water to reverse it's rotation direction with the wand instantaneously.  This behaviour is similar to a super-fluid!  This is just a proof of concept.  Now, the question is how to transfer the whole momentum to a lighter object! 

When a super-fluid is rotating uniformly with the container, the rotating state consists of quantized vortices. That is, when the container is rotated at speed below the first critical velocity (related to the quantum numbers for the element in question) the liquid remains perfectly stationary. Once the first critical velocity is reached, the super-fluid will very quickly begin spinning at the critical speed. The speed is quantized, that is, a super-fluid can only spin at certain "allowed" or critical speed values. In simplified terms, if the container is rotated to a certain allowed speed, the super-fluid will rotate very quickly along with the container, otherwise, if the speed is too slow, then the super-fluid will not move at all.

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 20, 2014, 08:56:10 AM
It would seem an electromagnet dose not have the same field properties as a PM.
It seems that electromagnets fields are different to that of a PM fields-no spin :o

Video uploading now.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 09:06:07 AM
It would seem an electromagnet dose not have the same field properties as a PM.
It seems that electromagnets fields are different to that of a PM fields-no spin :o

Video uploading now.


nope, it wouldnt because .....

A: electromagnet is "driving" the magnetism via electricity, NOT dielectricity from the inter-atomic made coherent into the incommensurable geometry of the PM

B: Electromagnet is spatially divergent IN/AS a coil, and does NOT (almost the exact opposite) have the properties of dielectricity



Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 09:10:54 AM
I know it can be done!
Gravock


Preaching to the choir, I agree.


I made a discovery using an experiment with magnetism and water in the 3rd edition that will make your head fall of your shoulders.  ;D

I know nobody else has seen it .
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 20, 2014, 11:04:51 AM
Well here is my second test. This time using an electromagnet insted of a PM. There is no spin detected with the electromagnet,unlike the PM that shows a clear spin at the pole's(Im using the terms north and south pole's,as that is what most people understand)

So why no spin with the electromagnet ,that is placed in the same situation???.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIlijUSJMmg&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 11:09:29 AM
Well here is my second test. This time using an electromagnet insted of a PM. There is no spin detected with the electromagnet,unlike the PM that shows a clear spin at the pole's(Im using the terms north and south pole's,as that is what most people understand)

So why no spin with the electromagnet ,that is placed in the same situation???.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIlijUSJMmg&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w


Awesome  video!!!!


NO SPIN with EM vs. PM because:


A: electromagnet is "driving" the magnetism via electricity, >>>>NOT dielectricity<<<<, as is the case in a PM, of which the dielectricity is 'driving' the vortex from the inter-atomic made coherent into the incommensurable geometry of the PM

B: Electromagnet is spatially divergent IN/AS a coil, and does NOT (almost the exact opposite) have the properties of dielectricity as found in a PM which is "driving" a genuine PM !!


Read Eric P Dollards works !!!!!!


Your videos are bloody marvelous. You're a hoot, awesome, creative, an experimenter, and you're like a fine OPAL from Coober Pedy !!!!   ;)  ;D  ;)  ;)


Id buy you a giant FOSTERS if you were within walking distance!!




Lovely vortex on your other video!



Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 20, 2014, 01:11:39 PM
I have another video uploading ATM,and will post it here asa it has uploaded. Then there is another to follow.

But i have just made a BIG discovery,and we may have to have another look at how exactly the homopolar motor work's-this MAY just proove that there is indeed a vortex spin at each end of a PM. All my test so far seem to show exactly that,and i believe my recent discovery will proove that to be true-unless some one here can post an explination in way of a sketch or picture defining the forces at work here. As i have a 3.30 am start,i may not get the setup finished,videoed and uploaded tonight-but it will be worth the wait
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: minnie on July 20, 2014, 01:50:41 PM



   Good work Tinman, that's the way to do it!
   Thank you,
                   John.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 20, 2014, 02:09:50 PM
Ok,here is my next test. Here i place a current loop around the magnet. This is a good video,but the next one will knock ya sox off. 8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-37Ecjd7FQQ&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on July 20, 2014, 03:50:16 PM
Anaylis of Mile High activity and intent:


" Captain Zero:

That was a stupid move. [outing his drama queen complaint]  My concerns are legitimate.[only if legitimate can be defined as stupid]"



" Captain Zero:

You make me laugh because you in your own way are simply disconnected and living in a dream world.                           [simple projection strategy]

I think both you and E2matrix want to see every free energy proposition go forward, no matter how ridiculous and how many times very similar things have been resoundly refuted as being wrong.                                                              [I cannot speak for E2m but am only interested in unfettered flow and development of ideas as opposed to the paid derailers of same]

That means that you couldn't give a rat's ass about gullible people squandering their money and giving it to criminals.  [Blatant violin inducement]

You want to sit back in your armchair and let a bunch of people get burned so you can indulge your fantasies.     
[More blatant violin inducement]

Throw in your belligerent disregard for my request and your public posting of my email and that makes you one morally bankrupt frustrated guy on a forum...
[Belligerent disregard for readers ability to go back and see the drama queen's email was not posted...oi vey]

...where the only thing you can do is passively comment and try to milk the system and get people to squander their hard-earned money for your desires.
[Some additional violin inducement for added effect I suppose]

I am glad that I am not you.
[Boy, so am I, because then I wood look like the stoopid paid shill ]


Theoria:

Sorry, but you are just one in an endless line of people with propositions that don't makes sense that clearly can't punch their way out of a wet electronics or electromagnetics paper bag.  Lots of big talk and absolutely no substance. 
[Theoria = a breath of fresh air (actual ideas) who has stimulated a rather fruitful discourse (and experiments) among some very fertile minds here]

You claim 20 years of research and study, but you couldn't even explain Tinman's experiment, not to mention the other basic things that I asked you that you avoided.
[avoiding bozos is critical to getting things done]

Your 15 minutes will be up soon and Captain Zero will latch on to the next guy that comes along and support him, even if the new guy's dubious theories are diametrically opposite to yours.
[I guess he was unable to locate examples of me doing that...because as usual, he just makes up shit to qualify his delusional drivel]

You are just expendable cannon fodder for Captain Zero and in six months you will be long gone and forgotten.
[Jilted again...like all the other imaginary victims of my fickle flirtations with brilliance]


MileHigh "
[On a permanent high]



Notice that I did not address the shill directly this time...that is because I had only one toe inserted into the road side tar baby, which can then be easily extracted with a slight pull, without using the other foot on his arse to pry out my toe.

For the purposes of continuity I would advise everyone else just scroll by his incessant attempts to disrupt the flow of ideas.

Carry on uninterrupted guys...this is great stuff !

Regards...
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 20, 2014, 03:55:53 PM
Well here it is,a new type of Homopolar motor-or something like that.
This shouldnt work,but it dose. Interesting times indeed guy's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc8Iw1OwYxI&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 04:08:16 PM
Tinman:

That's an interesting experiment, I can't explain it right now.  Certainly the fundamentals have not changed and it's not a discovery, more like a fun investigation into why you are not seeing the vortex.  The first thing that comes to mind is that the vortex requires three components, the magnetic field, the current flow through the water, and the magnetic field lines and the current flow to not be in exactly the same direction.  It would tend to suggest one of those components is missing.  But on face value it doesn't seem to be the case when you use the solenoid.

Is the circuit for powering the solenoid completely isolated and independent from the circuit that is causing the current to flow through the water?  The only other thing I can think of is it looks like the magnetic field from the solenoid is much stronger than the magnetic field from the permanent magnet.  That just might have something to do with it and if the strengths are very different, then you should lower the current through the solenoid in an attempt to make an "apples to apples" comparison for magnetic field strength.

You have to put off the use of the term "discovery" literally for months.  Right now it's an interesting investigation.  The magnetic field produced by the solenoid is certainly essentially the same as the magnetic field produced by the magnet.  Also, you can't make a statement like (to paraphrase) "solenoids make magnetic fields that are different from permanent magnets" because that's not true.  Right now all that you have is an observation that the particular solenoid that you are using in your particular setup appears to be different in behaviour from the particular magnet that you are using in your particular setup."  That's all that you have right now, you are not in a position to make any general statements.

Anyway, it's an enigma to me right now, waiting for your next clip.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: wattsup on July 20, 2014, 04:38:02 PM
Hmmmmmmmmm. Lots of pages flew by while I was in snooze mode.

@Tinman

Thanks for those vids.

You see, if I was doing such an experiment, I always consider to have 2-3 wattsups looking down my shoulder and stating all the wrong comparisons (objections) that are being made to derive a logical conclusion.

One of those would be magnet topology versus coil topology.

I made a quick drawing of this to show you what I mean when doing tests.

If your magnet has a straight rising sidewall, then the coil has to be as close to this topology as possible. To do that would only require a single layer coil and some tape over the turns to make sure any rising bubbles would not be influence by the bumps created by each winding so that the side wall is smooth. That would be a good analog.

The only other main factor is the magnets Tesla rating compared to the energized coil Tesla rating. This would be very difficult to reproduce exactly to compare apples to apples but at least if the physical forms are close, you can always do a pull test using a scale to compare the pull force required on each of these. Everything is relative to all the factors involved.

Don't forget that you are creating bubbles that rise to the surface on their own buoyancy. This will create a change in surface tension on the sidewall of the magnet with water pushing against that surface tension. All these factors come into play because of the physical form of the magnet. Those same interplays have to be identical with the coil.

If the coil is as you have show in your video, then the comparison with the magnet would have to display the same physical attributes in order to reproduce those same factors, so to equal your present coil topology, your magnet would require an outer form that will push the rising bubbles in the same manner as is happening with the coil.

The magnet and the coil would also have to be at the same height off the floor of the tank. When you are looking at a physical phenomena and comparing to another physical phenomena, both physical attributes should be the same or as close as possible in order to eliminate or reduce any discrepancies that could be construed as part of an effect proof.

If the magnet sits on a copper plate, the coil should sit on a copper plate as well.

This way you can then state (all other physical factors equal) the magnet does this and the coil does this or that.

Good work man. At least there is a base of effects for comparison.

wattsup

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: minnie on July 20, 2014, 04:50:45 PM



   Hi tinman,
              another question: did you turn off the battery charger when demonstrating?
   Altogether a very good effort on your behalf and well presented too.
                       John.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: d3x0r on July 20, 2014, 05:07:30 PM
But as a homopolar it should run.  If you run the second wire all the way around and down to the bottom it runs just as well. doesn't have to be on the side...
Reversing the magnet makes it go the other way.. but interestingly the vortexing goes away... majority current flow is still making a field on the screw
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: 93RDELEMENT on July 20, 2014, 05:22:51 PM
Experiments that have nothing to do with a vortex or the vacuum that creates it is pointless ! All theories so far are all flawed endeavours to identify the reality of such work ! Please stop referring to faraday he is an old book on the out of date book shelf ! The so called ultimate proof of a vortex is with a working model that has substantial energy gain not just a silly wire and some magnets . But it does prove the outside force is independent from the modal .

Now I have a 10kwh magnetic vortex zero point generator and no I don't do videos or have a need to explore other experiments ! So MR MILE HIGH come back down to earth ! One can never determine all the facts if they fill they know it all and have no technology to produce an event that will completely confirm a true vacuum vortex . A few magnets wont do the job correctly and will serve very little purpose as there is nothing you can do with it ! Sorry to bring you back to the ground level of reality where I can ASURE YOU that a fully operating system will set you running out the door ...

Your tone is some what aggressive and you write in a manner of someone that may be high on something ? Calm down sir or you will blow a fuse ... Now give me good reason why you deserve to know how a 10 kwh vortex generator is made or how it works and I do mean at the particle level . To many here write in  a way that portrays a mind of experience and refuse to except fact over fiction by demonstrable effect, to that I challenge you .. Throw away the stupid out of date physics book and all reference material date ect And allow me to place in one hand a 5.5 inch ferrite magnet and a special motor in the other hand as the magnet draws closer to the motor the speed of the motor will increase .. That's lesson one !

Lesson 2 is to achieve the same effect but the current will decrease to zero point as the magnet gets closer to the motor.

Lesson 3 Is when you disengage any power supply and the motor is still running .

Lesson 4 Is when the gravity of the combined device is coherently isolated and the apparatus is suspended in an animated form of its new gravity bubble .

Lesson 5 is HEALTH AND SAFETY !and the most important lesson because the technology floods dark energy into the gaps between electrons it would be wise not to stand in the flow of that field ...

So come on down to earth ! STOP PLAYING WITH TOYS ! Your talking to me now and I sir am the best that there is and ever will be !!! who am I ? I am the master of the vortex ! That means you are my student ! You have one chance so quickly learn the art of how to be humble sincere kind and courteous honest and not just fearless or pumped up so high with your own words that you will only ever see the dark between the light ...

Some of us are the true masters of this universe and I am one of them !!!! Now start again !!!

Yours truly

The one that is going to rock your planet LOL XXXXXX






 


 


 










         
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Farmhand on July 20, 2014, 05:29:29 PM
How is the rising bubbles forming a swirling pattern any different to the rising smoke and flames from a fire causing a swirling pattern ?

I think it is the natural tendency of fluids rising in other fluids to do that.  I make fires that produce some real nice vortex patterns
quite regularly.

It is my belief that there are some odd things that go on inside a strong vortex like a tornado, I see stuff get propelled directly
upwards inside them at times, seemingly not caused by wind but by what appears to be a negation of gravity combined with
pressure differences. I see things go straight up like they get launched, with sometimes no spinning until the object contacts the
inner wall of wind. It just looks odd and not caused by wind generated "lift".

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Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: wattsup on July 20, 2014, 05:33:49 PM
Wattsup-did you watch the video?. If so,can you explain as to why we get zero spin when i use the piece of pipe that has no magnetic field,and as soon as i add a magnet to that very same piece of pipe,we get a very clear spin. Why dose the spin direction change when flipping a magnet over-the very same magnet,with the very same shape?.
The magnetic fields are needed to create the spin,there is no doubt about that.

@Tinman

The strength of your neos is very strong and yes there could be an effect of spin, but let me suggest this small test.

1) Find a masson jar or other smaller glass container then your water tank.
2) Put the anode/cathode in the jar and add your water.
3) Produce your micro bubbles in order to saturate the solution as much as can possible to create a clouded solution.
4) Remove the anode/cathode.
5) Find a little non-magnet whatever and put it at the bottom of the jar to act as a raised platform.
6) Put your magnet on the platform.
7) Take a close up of the top of the magnet.

Logic: If the magnet is the sole instigator of any spin, it should not care where the bubbles come from. Whether they are produced and rising from the sidewall then curving back in towards the top of the magnet or whether the solution is fully saturated with bubbles, the magnet should not care and you should till see spin to some degree.

So by removing all other contributing factors the affect should not change, so such a test would be very revealing.

wattsup

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 05:39:06 PM
Tinman:

Just some pointers.   The current inside the aquarium flows throughout the entire body of water.  So that's why moving the ring did not make a noticeable difference.  Naturally most of the current flows in the general volume of water in line between the magnet and the ring, and much less current flows into the corners of the tank.

Look at the attached graphic. Imagine that you are above the magnet looking downwards.  You are looking at a horizontal slice of the water a few inches above the magnet.  The magnetic field lines are going downwards into the page and they go into the top of the cylindrical magnet.  The charge q represents a small slice of a spaghetti strand.

For the graphic you have to do a swap - you see the red force arrows and the and the green velocity arrows.  So if you swap the velocity and force you have current moving inwards towards the magnet, and force in a radial direction.  Look at how the green force vectors push on the water to create a vortex.  That is an example of the type of thing that is happening in your experiments.

Here is another "view:"  If you are looking at a ring on top of the "mushroom cloud" you can imagine that at a certain point in space for the ring the magnetic field is horizontal and extends radially outwards like the spokes of a wheel.  In this case lets imagine the current is going down into the page.  One more time the magnetic field and the current are at right angles to one another and you get the same radial force vector pattern that creates a vortex in the water.

MileHigh

 
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 05:45:34 PM
Captain Zero:

How is your AIDS coming along?  Are you still getting the dizzy spells?  Has it started to affect your vision?  Your weight was way down last year but has the new drug cocktail made a difference?

I know that you have been coping with it for years and I suppose that you are fortunate because you still have your mobility.

I know it's tough but hang in there, they may have a cure one day.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on July 20, 2014, 05:57:24 PM
Captain Zero:

How is your AIDS coming along?  Are you still getting the dizzy spells?  Has it started to affect your vision?  Your weight was way down last year but has the new drug cocktail made a difference?

I know that you have been coping with it for years and I suppose that you are fortunate because you still have your mobility.

I know it's tough but hang in there, they may have a cure one day.

MileHigh



Good grief...how looney that ?

WOW
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 06:08:48 PM
Captain Zero:

Whoops!  You say that you don't have AIDS?  Well how about that and guess what, I am not a shill.  You have to work on getting your brain to process information properly.

On the other hand, you could be a shill.  You could be a plant to discredit everything in the realm of free energy by playing the paranoid crazy guy that has a drawer full of tinfoil hats that believes all of the free energy tabloid trash at the checkout line.  Who knows, maybe you have AIDS AND you are a shill.   Any person that almost always believes in such nonsensical idiocy that sometimes isn't even up to the level of a Grade 5 science fair project must be a shill.  You are a plant here to discredit free energy by playing the bovine paranoid rabid believer that accuses people of being a shill all the time.

Now Mr. Shill, you don't want to get jumped by three big burly WITTS farm boys at the next Extraordinary Technology conference do you?  They might beat your ass to a pulp for discrediting them because you are a paid government agent with micro syringes filled with your blood.  If they find the micro syringes filled with your blood on your person they might beat you to within an inch of your life.

Your best strategy would be to tone down your shilling and not accuse other people of being paid disinformants when you have zero evidence.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 06:42:44 PM
Well here it is,a new type of Homopolar motor-or something like that.
This shouldnt work,but it dose. Interesting times indeed guy's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc8Iw1OwYxI&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc8Iw1OwYxI&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w)

This is nothing new and is nothing that is unexpected.  This is a traditional homopolar motor.  I have studied and experimented with homopolar motors more than anyone else on this forum, except for maybe broli.  You can find many youtube videos of exactly what you have done, except you have immersed your set-up in water.  If you use a ceramic non-conductive magnet, instead of a nickel coated conductive neo magnet, then you would get no rotation.  Prove me wrong on this, and I won't make another post on this forum.  Just make sure the screw that is attached to the magnet isn't running from the rim to the axis.  In other words, let the conductive screw only touch a small point at the center of the non-conductive magnet.

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 06:56:52 PM
Well here is my second test. This time using an electromagnet insted of a PM. There is no spin detected with the electromagnet,unlike the PM that shows a clear spin at the pole's(Im using the terms north and south pole's,as that is what most people understand)

So why no spin with the electromagnet ,that is placed in the same situation???.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIlijUSJMmg&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIlijUSJMmg&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w)

Coat the electromagnet with a conductive coating or wrap it completely and tightly in aluminium foil and it will rotate like the conductive neo magnet in your other experiment.  Just make sure your wires don't keep the electromagnet from rotating.  If there is no rotation or no sign of it wanting to rotate, then I won't make another post to this forum! 

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on July 20, 2014, 07:45:32 PM
More ""MH drivel:

None of it worth repeating.

Clearly an attempt to disrupt the flow of the thread...possibly another operative at the keyboard.

I will only be contributing to the disruption with further exchanges, so I will go back to watching and learning...and drag him/they/it around the yard in a thread with less significance.

As you were gentlemen.

Regards...
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 08:03:40 PM
Captain Zero you are the disruptor of this thread and the disruption started at post #215.  So either contribute technically to this thread or keep your mouth shut.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: picowatt on July 20, 2014, 08:28:37 PM
@Tinman,

Nice videos.

Regarding the PM/EM bubble spin/non-spin videos:

It might be interesting to try placing a thin, non-magnetic metal disc (Al, Cu, etc) on top of the magnet or electromagnet.  Place some tape on the backside of the disc (and possibly on and just over the edges) so that neither magnet is electrically connected to the disc and so that bubble formation only occurs on the non-magnet side of the disc (or coat one side of the disc and edges with paint, etc).  Connect your supply to the disc as the source for the bubbles.

Also, if the disc is a bit larger than either magnet (3" diameter or so), the shape/size difference between the magnet and electromagnet will have less hydrodynamic influence.  Alternately, you could glue or tape the insulated side of the disc to a short piece of plastic pipe to further reduce any hydrodynamic influences.  Cut the length of plastic pipe so that the backside of the top metal disc can be made to rest on either magnet without the pipe touching bottom to insure similar contact with the disc by either magnet (or shim the magnets from below with non magnetic/non-conductive block).  You might have to drill a vent hole into the pipe near the edge of the disc to vent any gas produced by inadequate insulation to prevent the disc/pipe from floating off (and help vent air when placing over the magnets), or cut notches into the end of the pipe prior to gluing to the disc.  If necessary, tape some solder (or similar) to the bottom circumference of the pipe to weight the whole thing down a bit.

With just the top side of the disc producing bubbles, you could see if a non-magnet, permanent magnet, or electro-magnet placed under the disc has any influence on the bubbles rising from the surface of the disc.  As others have said, when looking at the differences between the PM and EM, isolate both electrically, try to use similar field strengths and disc contact geometries (is the core of your EM tubular or solid?).

Interesting stuff...  may have to give it a go myself when time allows.

PW
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 08:43:50 PM
Here is the basics.  The magnet itself will not rotate in a homopolar motor unless there is conductive disc attached and glued to the magnet.  Then, and only then, can the magnet be made to rotate.  The nickel coating on the neo magnet acts like a conductive disk glued to the magnet.  If there is a small gap between the conductive disc and a non-conductive magnet, then the conductive disc will rotate and the magnet itself will remain stationary.  Rotating only the magnet while the conductive disc/external circuit is stationary doesn't generate a voltage.  However, rotating either the disc or external circuit will generate a voltage, regardless if the conductive disc is glued to the magnet or not.

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 09:20:10 PM
Here is the basics.  The magnet itself will not rotate in a homopolar motor unless there is conductive disc attached and glued to the magnet.  Then, and only then, can the magnet be made to rotate.  The nickel coating on the neo magnet acts like a conductive disk glued to the magnet.  If there is a small gap between the conductive disc and a non-conductive magnet, then the conductive disc will rotate and the magnet itself will remain stationary.  Rotating only the magnet while the conductive disc/external circuit is stationary doesn't generate a voltage.  However, rotating either the disc or external circuit will generate a voltage, regardless if the conductive disc is glued to the magnet or not.

Gravock

There is a small exception to the highlighted bold portion in the above quote!  There is a voltage generated during the acceleration and/or deceleration phase!

A circularly rotating SQF (Space-Quanta-Flux or magnetic field):


According to the authors of a publication titled, "Central Oscillator and Space-Quanta-Medium (http://www.rqm.ch/Central%20Oscillator%20and%20SpaceQuantaMedium.pdf)" in Chapter 15 on page 148 & 149, a voltage can be measured using a non-moving contact with a rotating magnet and a stationary conductor disk during the acceleration and/or deceleration phase (which must be carried out rather quickly - see snapshot below for a quick reference).  However, at a constant rotational velocity a stationary flow is formed (as with a non-rotating magnet) again around the free conductor-electrons and therefore no voltage can be measured.  According to the Monstein-Effect (http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/hoopmnst.htm), the flow intensity (and thus the magnetic field strength of the permanent magnet) of the SQF changes when rotating the permanent magnet as opposed to the resting state (depending on the direction of rotation, the rotational velocity and the magnetic field strength).

Videos:

The Oliver Crane's Theory of the Universe (http://jnaudin.free.fr/videos/crantheo.rm)
Space Quantum Field Flux or RQSm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/videos/rqsm.rm)
Hooper-Monstein Explanation and Experiment from RQM (http://jnaudin.free.fr/videos/rqmstn.rm)

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 09:42:18 PM
According to the authors of a publication titled, "Central Oscillator and Space-Quanta-Medium (http://www.rqm.ch/Central%20Oscillator%20and%20SpaceQuantaMedium.pdf)" in Chapter 15 on page 148 & 149, a voltage can be measured using a non-moving contact with a rotating magnet and a stationary conductor disk during the acceleration and/or deceleration phase (which must be carried out rather quickly - see snapshot below for a quick reference)..

Gravock

If we can instantly dump and transfer the magnet's angular momentum, then we can create an unlimited amount of excess energy during the instantaneous acceleration/deceleration phases of the magnet.

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: steeltpu on July 20, 2014, 09:45:12 PM
Captain Zero you are the disruptor of this thread and the disruption started at post #215.  So either contribute technically to this thread or keep your mouth shut.

    milehigh you are the disruptor here.  no one wants your exploration stifling bs here.  you only try to stifle discovery and exploration under the guise of saving someone from wasting money which is more bs.  no one needs saving.  everyone has a choice and self responsibility.  many great discoveries have been made by accident.  you are either a twisted mind or working for people who don't want any new discovery.

 you also have a choice to be here or not.  if you feel paranoid about spewing your crap here so go away if it feels unsafe.  you try to threaten others here and stifle free speech?  that's new for you and shows how desperate you are.  it's obvious to everyone here you are way in over your head with TA.  all you can do is insult and make foolish attempts to disrupt the flow here. 

it bears repeating what TA said: you have a phd in lip flapping and BS.

fed up with your crap.  only have one more thing to say and i'm sure some others here can figure this out.  let's see if you are smart enough: 

    676f2061776179206b696420616e642065736164
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: 93RDELEMENT on July 20, 2014, 09:56:40 PM
NONE OF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT A MAGNETIC VORTEX ! You are all just twitting around, what a total load of nonsense ! Ions follow the path of the magnetic field in water and in air in fact the only way to measure a magnetic vortex is by an indirect method for measurement because via the spinning of an object . You must first understand what a magnetic field is made of its mass its spin the quantum mechanics of magnetism dark matter, monopoles, negative vector returns, the boson field , gravitons  the dark matter relationship between iron and aluminium . That's the begging than electron coupling, entropy of zero point fluctuations, the space time variable, Harmonic inter phasing within periodic elliptical events of primordial particles , Maxwell's equations , And finally how to isolate a free momentum of atomic mass over its compression of all the above .

I NO DOUBT YOU HAVE NO IDEAR WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT SO DONT WASTE YOUR TIME GO PLAY WITH LEGO AND A BATTERY HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

ME     
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 10:01:22 PM
Steeltpu:

I am not stating BS, you are fibbing.  So, do you believe that the magnetic field from an axially polarized disk magnet looks like a toroid or it looks like the attached image?

Which do you believe?   Tell the truth now.

MileHigh

P.S.:  Before 'sexting' there was 'hexasexting' done on 4 x 4 chicklet keypads.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 10:11:50 PM
fed up with your crap.  only have one more thing to say and i'm sure some others here can figure this out.  let's see if you are smart enough: 

    676f2061776179206b696420616e642065736164

That is a hexadecimal (hex) number.

A hex is a magical spell, usually with malevolent purposes such as having a harmful influence.

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 20, 2014, 10:16:42 PM
This is nothing new and is nothing that is unexpected.  This is a traditional homopolar motor.  I have studied and experimented with homopolar motors more than anyone else on this forum, except for maybe broli.  You can find many youtube videos of exactly what you have done, except you have immersed your set-up in water.  If you use a ceramic non-conductive magnet, instead of a nickel coated conductive neo magnet, then you would get no rotation.  Prove me wrong on this, and I won't make another post on this forum.  Just make sure the screw that is attached to the magnet isn't running from the rim to the axis.  In other words, let the conductive screw only touch a small point at the center of the non-conductive magnet.

Gravock
This i already know.And  If i am the only one to have immersed it in water,then it has not been done.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 10:24:42 PM
this MAY just proove that there is indeed a vortex spin at each end of a PM.


Well, Ive established that a dozen diff. ways already, but your videos and NEW WAYS you may find are excellent !!!    :D ;)  ;)
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 10:29:24 PM
Tinman:

That's an interesting experiment, I can't explain it right now. 


WORTH- LESS 

I can, you cant.     Thats because you're in the "cult of the beasts"   i.e.   QUANTUM BS and GR and that mental midget Einstein.



EIN-STEIN  means "ONE STONE"   which is German for  IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 10:31:42 PM
Hmmmmmmmmm. Lots of pages flew by while I was in snooze mode.

wattsup



You are well meaning but your explanation for WHY electromagnets DONT MAKE A VORTEX is all wrong.


NO SPIN with EM vs. PM because:


A: electromagnet is "driving" the magnetism via electricity, >>>>NOT dielectricity<<<<, as is the case in a PM, of which the dielectricity is 'driving' the vortex from the inter-atomic made coherent into the incommensurable geometry of the PM

B: Electromagnet is spatially divergent IN/AS a coil, and does NOT (almost the exact opposite) have the properties of dielectricity as found in a PM which is "driving" a genuine PM !!

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 10:34:31 PM
This i already know.And  If i am the only one to have immersed it in water,then it has not been done.

You are the only one I have seen who has immersed that particular design into water.  That particular design is very popular on youtube, and immersing it into the water doesn't change the results of the experiment!  Your set-up immersed in the water is based on the same principals of the original Faraday motor, which was also done in a conductive liquid.

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 10:35:36 PM
How is the rising bubbles forming a swirling pattern any different to the rising smoke and flames from a fire causing a swirling pattern ?



GET THE POO out from between your ears,  NO OFFENSE.


But doing the same with a steel slug DOES NOT PRODUCE A VORTEX


Get that simplex fact??   



Tinmans videos are excellent, but there are MANY MANY different ways to get a vortex from a magnet that have NOTHING do with zapping a magnet.


I AM and WILL KEEP making those videos on the DIFFERENT WAYS
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 10:37:20 PM
You are the only one I have seen who has immersed that particular design into water.  That particular design is very popular on youtube, and immersing it into the water doesn't change the results of the experiment!  Your set-up immersed in the water is based on the same principals of the original Faraday motor, which was also done in a conductive liquid.

Gravock



No, a guy named "magnetflipper" did it YEARS AGO............he has several such vids.    But NOT AS GOOD AS TINMANS

Ive done the same 9 months ago.


 "magnetflipper"  video:   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAl1LVPbYhY

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 10:38:41 PM
Quote from: MileHigh on Today at 05:45:34 PM

    Captain Zero:

    How is your AIDS coming along?  Are you still getting the dizzy spells?  Has it started to affect your vision?  Your weight was way down last year but has the new drug cocktail made a difference?

    I know that you have been coping with it for years and I suppose that you are fortunate because you still have your mobility.

    I know it's tough but hang in there, they may have a cure one day.

    MileHigh



    Good grief...how looney that ?

    WOW
[/b]




AGREE,  He is insane of some variety of MENTAL DEFECT
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 10:42:26 PM
    milehigh you are the disruptor here.  no one wants your exploration stifling bs here.  you only try to stifle discovery and exploration under the guise of saving someone from wasting money which is more bs. 



100% Accurate,    and as far as SAVING MONEY,   I can assure you that that whatever "milehigh" has,  Ive got plenty more.   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D


He throws himself upon the "roads of discovery" to keep weaker minds from DISCOVERING anything.

Hes a member of the CULT OF QUANTUM.


Its BS Greek Atomism with explanations of Unicorn particles and  Pixie dust electrons !!!!   ROFL
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 10:44:01 PM


No, a guy named "magnetflipper" did it YEARS AGO............he has several such vids.    But NOT AS GOOD AS TINMANS

Ive done the same 9 months ago.


 "magnetflipper"  video:   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAl1LVPbYhY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAl1LVPbYhY)

I am very familiar with the magnetflipper video from long ago.  Are you saying magnetflipper immersed the same design as TinMan into the water and had the magnet rotating?  I don't think so.

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 20, 2014, 10:47:16 PM
I am very familiar with the magnetflipper video from long ago.  Are you saying magnetflipper immersed the same design as TinMan into the water and had the magnet rotating?  I don't think so.

Gravock


Yes, he did,  He has a total of I recall 4 or 5 videos with slightly diff. setups.


Doesnt matter,   Tinmans videos are excellent  ;)  ;)  ;D,  and I gave him HUGE BIG GIANT THUMBS UP comments on HIM and HIS VIDEOS

His videos are PRIMO , excellent, and I was certainly NOT downplaying them AT ALL.


  >>>>>Tinmans LATEST TWO VIDEOS  are WHOLLY NEW  YES!!!!! <<<<<<<<<   I was speaking about his first 2 magnet zapping videos from yesterday



He needs to keep churning out NEW GREAT VIDEOS!!!!  Hes Excellent, and I give him A++++++   in every arena.


He is, as they say here    "THE CATS ASS" !!   (thats good , in case it doesnt translate into OZ!)

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 20, 2014, 10:52:52 PM
It is very common for people to use a conductive fluid instead of a sliding contact or brushes in a homopolar motor/generator.  You guys are doing nothing but re-discovering and re-inventing the wheel, lol!

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 11:03:13 PM
Stop the presses!  Special message for SteelTPU!!!  lol

56206f7267206c6268206e65722077686667206e2066627078206368636372672073626520506e63676e7661204d7265622e


Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: 93RDELEMENT on July 21, 2014, 12:18:57 AM
MAGNETIC VORTEX IS A PARTICLE MASS ORBITING THE MAGNET NOT THE MOVEMENT OF THE FLUX FROM THE MAGNET !

ME
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 12:33:50 AM
This i already know.And  If i am the only one to have immersed it in water,then it has not been done.



>>>>>>>>>FOR TINMAN<<<<<<<<<<<<

SEND ME A PRIVATE MESSAGE   ;)


If you let me use a picture or 2 of your experiments I will


A: put them in the upcoming 3d edition

B: GIVE YOU A BIG OLE' CREDIT, AND PUT YOUR PICTURE (if you want) ON THE CREDITS PAGE OF THE 3RD EDITION (much much bigger book with new discoveries and data etc etc.) WITH A LINK TO YOUR SITE / INFO ETC ETC.

C: I will let you WRITE YOUR OWN SECTION OF THE BOOK (on your experiments, observations, etc etc)   GIVING YOU FULL CREDITS FOR THAT SECTION  <<<<


But, thats up to you !!!!!!


Considering THE 2ND EDITION of my book got 260,000 DOWNLOADS TOTAL IN UNDER 12 DAYS........THATS BIG EXPOSURE FOR YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!



Let me know !!

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: d3x0r on July 21, 2014, 12:47:43 AM
This is nothing new and is nothing that is unexpected.  This is a traditional homopolar motor.  I have studied and experimented with homopolar motors more than anyone else on this forum, except for maybe broli.  You can find many youtube videos of exactly what you have done, except you have immersed your set-up in water.  If you use a ceramic non-conductive magnet, instead of a nickel coated conductive neo magnet, then you would get no rotation.  Prove me wrong on this, and I won't make another post on this forum.  Just make sure the screw that is attached to the magnet isn't running from the rim to the axis.  In other words, let the conductive screw only touch a small point at the center of the non-conductive magnet.

Gravock
re homopolar motors

Not that there's a lot to study....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htOTZNY5eFc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htOTZNY5eFc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R480UW9aSuM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R480UW9aSuM)


If the magnets are inside, and I use steel balls balls to run them on instead they didn't stick to the tower, but did run along 2 aluminum strips on a board; but couldn't move themselves up more than like a 5 degree incline.. if that much
Could easily be done with ceramic magnets in the same place (the bar through them makes contact with outer steel balls); other than ceramic (non conductive) magnets have a much weaker field, they likely cannot move their own weight.  With only 1 3/8"x1/8" magnet it didn't work well, but using a stack of 3  to make them 3/8"x3/8" made them work better,


Or another version here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z9v7j6Q6jc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z9v7j6Q6jc) using the field from the ceramic magnet, but not a current flow through it.
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back to tinman's version though... it is odd that enough current goes through the screw to make it work since as much of the steel rod's surface is in the water as is given by the magnet itself...
hmm... probably the bubble formation pushing off the magnet to make it spin in this case, since the vortex disappears
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 12:53:28 AM
it is odd that enough current goes through the screw to make it work since as much of the steel rod's surface is in the water


No it isn't,.... its centripetal induction flow (occurring naturally in the magnet), but increased when charge is added.....which needs only a MICRO-SPOT of contact.   ;)  ;)  ;)


charge is going in centripetally, DISCHARGE is going OUT centrifugally (and also driving the MOTION of the magnet)


Taaaa- Daaaaaaaa       ;D




ALL CHARGE IN NATURE IS centripetal (CONVERGENT)...........,   all radiation/discharge is CENTRIFUGAL (DIVERGENT)


Magnet attached as cathode or anode (he does both in video), the DIFFERENTIAL IN CHARGE in driving the vortex of BOTH the Hydrogen bubbles and the movement of the physical magnet.



A magnet on its OWN is naturally charged at the dielectric inertial plane
, when he zapps it, its just turning up the "electrical pressure/inertia" OF THE SYSTEM he created


Kudos on his Homopolar design!!!!



If his magnet had a flywheel attached at midpoint....., he would have a free hanging (almost)  ELECTROMAGNETIC GYROSCOPE  ;D
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 21, 2014, 01:02:58 AM
>>>>>>>>>FOR TINMAN<<<<<<<<<<<<

SEND ME A PRIVATE MESSAGE   ;)


If you let me use a picture or 2 of your experiments I will


A: put them in the upcoming 3d edition

B: GIVE YOU A BIG OLE' CREDIT, AND PUT YOUR PICTURE (if you want) ON THE CREDITS PAGE OF THE 3RD EDITION (much much bigger book with new discoveries and data etc etc.) WITH A LINK TO YOUR SITE / INFO ETC ETC.

C: I will let you WRITE YOUR OWN SECTION OF THE BOOK (on your experiments, observations, etc etc)   GIVING YOU FULL CREDITS FOR THAT SECTION  <<<<

Are you serious?  When TinMan decides to completely and tightly wrap the electromagnet in aluminium foil and there is rotation, then this will oppose your idea of no rotation in an electromagnet due to it "driving" the magnetism via electricity, instead of dielectricity as is the case in a PM (see quotes below).  You are now trying to intentionally misdirect and to deceive others with an incomplete and half-ass experiment by TinMan!  You, TinMan, or anyone else is free to prove me wrong, and I will keep my word and not make another post to this forum if there is no rotation in the electromagnet that is wrapped in aluminium foil.

Well here is my second test. This time using an electromagnet insted of a PM. There is no spin detected with the electromagnet,unlike the PM that shows a clear spin at the pole's(Im using the terms north and south pole's,as that is what most people understand)

So why no spin with the electromagnet ,that is placed in the same situation???.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIlijUSJMmg&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIlijUSJMmg&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w)


Awesome  video!!!!

NO SPIN with EM vs. PM because:

A: electromagnet is "driving" the magnetism via electricity, >>>>NOT dielectricity<<<<, as is the case in a PM, of which the dielectricity is 'driving' the vortex from the inter-atomic made coherent into the incommensurable geometry of the PM

B: Electromagnet is spatially divergent IN/AS a coil, and does NOT (almost the exact opposite) have the properties of dielectricity as found in a PM which is "driving" a genuine PM !!

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 01:07:31 AM
Are you serious?  When TinMan decides to completely and tightly wrap the electromagnet in aluminium foil and there is rotation, then this will oppose your idea of no rotation in an electromagnet due to it "driving" the magnetism via electricity, instead of dielectricity as is the case in a PM (see quotes below). You are now trying to intentionally misdirect and to deceive others with an incomplete and half-ass experiment by TinMan! You, TinMan, or anyone else is free to prove me wrong, and I will keep my word and not make another post to this forum if there is no rotation in the electromagnet that is wrapped in aluminium foil.


You OBVIOUSLY CAN get magnetic flow out of ANY SOLENOID , I state that IN MY BOOK, with pictures no less.

Why dont you have Tinman coat his electromagnet in FOIL.


You're saying insane things now.  YOU or HIM do the experiment and let the results speak for themselves  ;D  ;D  ;D



Electricity (AC) is spatial and the product of PHI and PSI,      Dielectricity is inertial, counterspatial, it is "NATURES 'Electricity"............Like most, you confuse electricity with dielectricity.


Heaviside, nor Maxwell,  NOR TESLA made this idiotic mistake   (so why are YOU doing so???)



I see Tinmans experiments.............YOU..........I see you just flapping your lips.


"Getting rotation"  and   "GETTING CENTRIFUGAL AND CENTRIPETAL RECIPROCATION"................<<<<<<< THOSE are two WHOLLY DIFF. THINGS  ;D  ;D

Make the video, (or he can do it)   As they say "put up or SHUT UP"



and I will keep my word and not make another post to this forum if there is no rotation in the electromagnet that is wrapped in aluminium foil.

WHY ON EARTH would I give a damn what you DO or DONT post?????      ;D  ;D  ;D


Do the foil + electromagnet video YOURSELF.........POST IT.

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 01:17:52 AM
electromagnet due to it "driving" the magnetism via electricity, instead of dielectricity as is the case in a PM (see quotes below).


You dont know (pardon) what Hades you're talking about.    ALL Magnets are created from electrification, from a charged capacitor bank


WHAM, the interatomic magneto-dielectricity is CHANGED.      The dielectric is INCOMMENSURATE in a magnet, just like a gyroscopic flywheel.



Suggest you research further the diff. between ELECTRICITY vs.  DIELECTRICITY   

Electricity is aether in a state of dynamic polarization
 magnetism is aether in circular / reciprocal motion,
dielectricity is aether under stress or strain.

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 21, 2014, 01:25:49 AM
Incomplete half-ass experiment!  I already put something on the table, and that was no posting to this forum if I am proven wrong.

If I do the experiment myself, are you and TinMan also willing not to post to this forum when proven wrong?

It is now time for you to put up or shut up!  One way or another, somebody is gone from this forum and I know it won't be me cause I have already done this experiment myself!

Whoever (You, Tinman, or myself) releases the video first, will be free to continue to post to this forum, regardless if the electromagnet with aluminium foil rotates or not!  Deal?

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 01:30:41 AM
Incomplete half-ass experiment!  I already put something on the table, and that was no posting to this forum if I am proven wrong.

If I do the experiment myself, are you and TinMan also willing not to post to this forum when proven wrong?

It is now time for you to put up or shut up!  One way or another, somebody is gone from this forum and I know it won't be me cause I have already done this experiment myself!

Whoever (You, Tinman, or myself) releases the video first, will be free to continue to post to this forum, regardless if the electromagnet with aluminium foil rotates or not!  Deal?

Gravock


Great,  so where is your VIDEO????


"Getting rotation"  and   >>>>"GETTING CENTRIFUGAL AND CENTRIPETAL RECIPROCATION"<<<<................<<<<<<< THOSE are two WHOLLY DIFF. THINGS  ;D  ;D




*$*$*$*$  I love how you think you know more than Tesla, Steinmetz, Heaviside, and Maxwell !!!!!  ;D

They all knew the diff. between electricity and dielectricity..


But, seems you know more than those cretins did!!!  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D





You wont PROVE me wrong on a damn thing son,    Ive got currently 11 diff methods of showing magnetic VORTEX movements that have NOTHING to do with zapping a magnet OR CRT TUBES!!!!!!!!!
 :o  :o  :o


You going to disprove all 11 of the OTHER methods?????   

You're flapping your gums like HighMile or whatever his name is.



Deal?   NO.    ;D  ;D  Nobody is playing games like a pathetic child telling others "they will have to leave"  EXCEPT YOU


My book is about MAGNETS and permanent magnets,  you aren't going to disprove a damn thing with your tinfoil (HAT).



Here is what,  go write a book about it.     :o  ;D  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 21, 2014, 01:42:28 AM
Deal?   NO.    ;D ;D  Nobody is playing games like a pathetic child telling others "they will have to leave"  EXCEPT YOU

Those who are intentionally misdirecting and deceiving others should be shown the door! 
I don't think anyone here would disagree with me.  You refused my offer, and I will let the
reader make their own decisions to why you turned my offer down.  Carry on!

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 01:47:54 AM
Those who are intentionally misdirecting and deceiving others should be shown the door!  I don't think anyone here would disagree with me.  You refused my offer, and I will let the reader make their own decisions to why you turned my offer down.  Carry on!
Gravock


Full of hubris son.

Go write a book, go make a video and SHOW US

Tinmans videos STAND ON THEIR OWN, .........right now, you are standing on your flapping lips.



Force others to LEAVE?     That kind of thinking is Intellectually DEMONIC   
   

Actually its worse than intellectually DEMONIC, its pathetic, disgusting, vile, gross, perverse, insane, and the kind of "SUPPRESSION FILTH" one expects out of Communism  ;D



I stand on the side of Tesla, Steinmetz, and Maxwell,  THEY knew the difference between dielectricity and Electricity

YOU SON, are  NOT (not even close) SUPERIOR TO THEM   ;)  ;)



I don't think anyone here would disagree with me. 


Actually son, MOST if not all would DISagree.         Dont play the "suppression" game son.   


>>>>>>>>>>>>Nobody likes that kind of Communist FECAL MATTER  <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 21, 2014, 01:57:24 AM
Force others to LEAVE?     That kind of thinking is Intellectually DEMONIC      

Actually its worse than intellectually DEMONIC, its pathetic, disgusting, vile, gross, perverse, insane, and the kind of "SUPPRESSION FILTH" one expects out of Communism  ;D

This is another misdirection by you!  I am not forcing anyone to leave!  I said, 'whoever releases the video first is free to stay
regardless if the electromagnet wrapped in aluminium foil rotates or not'!  I will wait a couple of days, so you or TinMan will have
the greatest opportunity in releasing the video first, so there is no risk for you or him in not being able to post to this forum any more!

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 02:01:26 AM
the electromagnet wrapped in aluminium foil rotates or not'!
Gravock


Let me Edu-macate you a bit.
   ;D  ;D


ROTATION
   =  sitting on a STOOL and spinning round.   (driven by electricity as per the coil)


Conjugate RECIPROCATION
=  Centrifugal polarized divergence returning (to the other side) CENTRIPETALLY (convergent)   ,.....all driven by dielectricity.




Thoze too aint the same thangs
     ROFL   ;D  ;D



Suggest you start reading Heaviside,  Steinmetz, JC Maxwell, and  Eric P Dollard.


Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 21, 2014, 02:23:57 AM

Let me Edu-macate you a bit.
   ;D ;D

Let me educate you, if that is even possible!  A rotating electromagnet wrapped in aluminium foil will prove your statement below wrong:

"NO SPIN with EM vs. PM because:

A: electromagnet is "driving" the magnetism via electricity, >>>>NOT dielectricity<<<<, as is the case in a PM, of which the
dielectricity is 'driving' the vortex from the inter-atomic made coherent into the incommensurable geometry of the PM

B: Electromagnet is spatially divergent IN/AS a coil, and does NOT (almost the exact opposite) have the properties of dielectricity
as found in a PM
which is "driving" a genuine PM !!"
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 03:36:25 AM
Let me educate you, if that is even possible!  A rotating electromagnet wrapped in aluminium foil will prove your statement below wrong   



Lets RE-STATE the part you missed, the part you IGNORED, the part you mentally diverted from, the part you are intentionally blinding yourself to:



ROTATION   =
  sitting on a STOOL and spinning round.   (driven by electricity as per the coil)


Conjugate RECIPROCATION = Centrifugal polarized divergence returning (to the other side) CENTRIPETALLY (convergent)   ,.....all driven by dielectricity.




As has been proven, with enough POWER, you can ROTATE a strawberry and a living FROG in a field.



Maybe you cannot read:


Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: 93RDELEMENT on July 21, 2014, 03:38:23 AM
Please for get this vortex with a magnet its nuts ! Magnetic lines do not flow only electrons and bosons in the field do ! A single  magnetic line of force is made of a single electron with polarised X Y particles 2.2 trillion of them . Its like a frozen wave and particle formation But one may make the line vibrate it has no response than that and has no entropy to set up a vortex ... Super strings do but they are made of dark matter 2.2 trillion times smaller than an electron . Remember an electron is 2.2 trillion times smaller than its nuclei . Having said this ferrite weak magnetic fields do brake away if set up right with opposing fields but to make them go into a vortex mode of transition would be a very complex and difficult thing to achieve . Best just to look at it happening when galaxies collide the magnetic fluctuations will last for billions of years . But a man made magnetic vortex no way particle stimulation yes but magnet lines of force not a chance . SORRY .....

me
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 21, 2014, 04:03:07 AM
TA,

You're dropping the ball big time!

Your false assertion and wrong claim in there being NO SPIN with an EM, as there is in a PM, as shown by TinMan's incomplete and half-ass experiment is because:

A: electromagnet is "driving" the magnetism via electricity, >>>>NOT dielectricity<<<<, as is the case in a PM, of which the
dielectricity is 'driving' the vortex from the inter-atomic made coherent into the incommensurable geometry of the PM

B: Electromagnet is spatially divergent IN/AS a coil, and does NOT (almost the exact opposite) have the properties of dielectricity
as found in a PM
which is "driving" a genuine PM !!"

Now, when it is shown there is a spin with an EM wrapped in aluminium foil to mimic the conductive nickel coating on a PM, then 'a' and 'b' above can not be correct!  You can try and misdirect the readers all you want, but I know otherwise, and the correct experiment will show the readers what I am saying to be true!

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 04:08:48 AM

Now, when it is shown there is a spin
Gravock


You have a mental defect son.   A GIGANTIC ONE


The EARTH SPINS


Its FIELD  has conjugate RECIPROCATION,   CW ,and CCW,     Centrifugal and Centripetal.   Divergent and Convergent.


If, in your insanity you think the spinning / rotating earth  is = (the above highlighted),      then you need your head examined son.



Seek mental help  ;D  ;D



Now, go find a NAIL, and sit on it and spin /rotate.   ;D   You have no idea what the hell has been said in the last few posts.

OR, you DO, but are ignoring same to save face,   which is pure pathetic hubris.


Now, go wise the hell up.


ROTATE / SPIN     VS.    RECIPROCATION



Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 04:21:47 AM
as shown by TinMan's incomplete and half-ass experiment is because:
Gravock



Listen up son,  There isnt one person on this board other than YOURSELF who thinks  Tinmans experiments are ANYTHING but logical, well, done, experimental, intelligent, and excellent examples.


Tinman DID THE "DO"


You,  like MilesOnHigh, are flapping your lips, and only that.

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 21, 2014, 04:26:48 AM

You have a mental defect son.   A GIGANTIC ONE


The EARTH SPINS


Its FIELD  has conjugate RECIPROCATION,   CW ,and CCW,     Centrifugal and Centripetal.   Divergent and Convergent.


If, in your insanity you think the spinning / rotating earth  is = (the above highlighted),      then you need your head examined son.



Seek mental help  ;D ;D



Now, go find a NAIL, and sit on it and spin /rotate.   ;D   You have no idea what the hell has been said in the last few posts.

OR, you DO, but are ignoring same to save face,   which is pure pathetic hubris.

You say in the above that the earth spins, and its field has conjugate reciprocation, CW/CCW, Centrifugal/Centripetal, Divergent and Convergent.  And then in your very next sentence you say I need my head examined if I I think the spinning/rotating earth is = to the same field properties of the earth in which you just assigned to it in your previous sentence, lol!  Let me clarify this a little better, since you are a little slow:

The EARTH SPINS.  Its FIELD  has conjugate RECIPROCATION, CW/CCW, Centrifugal/Centripetal, Divergent/Convergent.

If, in your insanity you think the spinning/rotating earth  is = (conjugate RECIPROCATION, CW/CCW, Centrifugal/Centripetal, Divergent/Convergent), then you need your head examined son.  It is you who need your head examined by thinking that the portion on the left side of the equal sign is not the same as the portion on the right side of the equal sign since you assigned both sides of the equal sign with the same field properties, lol.

Don't drink the bong water, lol!

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 04:32:35 AM
Gravock


I dont know if you're drunk, or part insane, or both.    Could'nt care less.  ;D


Since you dont know the difference between  ROTATE (on X, or XY axis)    and  RECIPROCATE,   suggest you go back to school and slap the teacher that "taught" you.  ;D


Both, SON, are "movement".....   both are, in a manner "resultant of displacement / charge / fields".

Go make your coil rotate/spin.     That, son, IS NOT centrifugal/centripetal   divergent/convergent conjugate field reciprocation..



I suspect you are drunk or insane,  not that anyone gives a hoot in hell.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Farmhand on July 21, 2014, 04:38:09 AM
How is it that bubbles rising in water the conclusion makes ?

How do we explain the vortexian structures in the smoke and flames of a fire ?

Or the vortex in the plughole when we let the water out ?

Do they all point to a magnetic field being a vortex as well ?

If not what does the presence of these other vortex structures suggest to us ?

Cheers

Fire tornadoes in Australian outback. I think I see at one stage the thin smoke is forming a large slow vortex while in the center
there is a thin very fast spinning and fast rising vortex of fire inside it @ 1:22.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsyvOYcWgcg

Now are we to assume there is an inverted magnetic vortex in the earth wherever there is a wind/ fire or water vortex ?
And a dielectric plane at about the Earths surface level ?

I think fluids naturally form a vortex when it can due to the movement of the fluid. Because it is an efficientway for it to happen,
just as water will find the easiest route down a hill a fluid will find the easiest way to rise "smoke/fire/bubbles" or
fall "water down a sink hole".

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Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 04:48:31 AM
How is it that bubbles rising in water the conclusion makes ?

Or the vortex in the plughole when we let the water out ?
Do they all point to a magnetic field being a vortex as well ?
If not what does the presence of these other vortex structures suggest to us ?
Cheers


Suggest you take a peek at the PICS below and REALLY contemplate them, not LOOK,    but THINK

Plug drain vortex?,...  Field pressure mediation, pulled plug, void of LOW PRESSURE present, the fastest way to bleed HIGH to LOW PRESSURE IS A VORTEX (and vice versa),  Natures 'lines' are ALL curved.   Nature doesnt "do" LINES

Rising bubbles are forming the vortex OFF THE MAGNET, not the steel slug when zapped, NOT the electromagnet,    NOR will you (obviously) get same by simplex water hydrolysis



>>>>If not what does the presence of these other vortex structures suggest to us ? <<<<


Suggests NOTHING,  TELLS you everything.    This is the 'mechanics of fields' in conjugation.


I explain ALL THIS IN THE BOOK, its free for Pete's sake,    I dont want a penny, download it and READ it.


Its not as if I ask anyone TO BUY ANYTHING,   because Im not selling.    Im retired.


If you want to forget about CRT and zapping a magnet,  FINE,   there are many other ways to show this vortex pattern off of any "magnet"

Its simplex (not simple)  Magneto-dielectric field reciprocation  (whats that mean?  Its IN THE BOOK).


Nature ,.....Nature......Nature.         "all natures lines are CURVED"  ;D


Euclidean method,......pen and paper to the rescue!!!

Just print the SAME SHEET about 10 times, then roll 2 up into cones. etc etc.......
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TinselKoala on July 21, 2014, 04:49:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRby1Wilv-Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRby1Wilv-Q)

from February 2009
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 04:58:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRby1Wilv-Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRby1Wilv-Q)

from February 2009


Saw the video.......    Its not a  superconductor.....      (yes, I have "superconductor" sets myself and 3 dewers).



Just the inverse, a "superconductor" is a super-diamagnetic INSULATOR.
The magnet is 'riding' on top of the Super-Diamagnetic (Yttrium barium copper oxide) ceramic disk.

However you have a HOLE, never the less, the FIELD of intense diamagnetism is still heavy.

its preventing the magnetism from "sinking" into (and touching) the supercooled disk, but in your case, sinking DEEPER into the diamagnetic field (=super-dielectric).
Magnetism = RADIATION,  LN2 temps cause the inter-atomic magneto-dielectric of the Yttrium-Baro-Copp disk  to become dominantly dielectric  (only while super-chilled)


Typically::::


IF ITS CLEAR/ ABSORBS EM/LIGHT (GLASS, OIL)      = DIELECTRICALLY CAPACITANT

REFLECTS LIGHT (SILVER / COPPER etc)   = DIELECTRIC REFLECTOR (EMF generational medium).



High dielectric = diamagnetic + LN2 = Super-diamagnetic.

NOT "superconducting" this is a fallacy, its Super-diamagnetic.

I got 3 dewers myself .   Love playing with LN2




That ANGLE your getting off the magnet......, the Gyromagnetic precessional angle......is IN MY BOOK.
    ;D  ;D

Your magnet is precessing due to divergent and convergent field conjugation both centrifugal and centripetal to and from both "ends"
Its like trying to balance a spinning ball (field reciprocation) on top of a stream of air.



No, your magnet is NOT "rotating spontaneously", ......all you are doing in that video is using a TESTING MEDIUM (the LN2 and Ytt-disk) to prove very apparently the ALREADY EXISTING field reciprocation of the magnet, which is typically NOT observational.

Thats why I created so many testing media to show this field reciprocation.



Try reading this
 “The Fallacy of Conductors”


http://journal.borderlands.com/1987/the-fallacy-of-conductors/


Great job at experimenting !!!!  Love experimenters  ;)
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Farmhand on July 21, 2014, 05:08:21 AM
TheoriaApophasis, Have you read Walter Russell's book "The Universal One" it's free as well I suggest you read that. I'll read yours.

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Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 05:10:29 AM
TheoriaApophasis, Have you read Walter Russell's book "The Universal One" it's free as well I suggest you read that. I'll read yours.


You kidding?  ;)   We are (Platonic Fraternity) the ones that DIGITIZED ALL HIS WORKS to make them searchable via a PDF Adobe search  !!!!!  ;)  ;)  ;)  ;)

yeah, I have all his works.


I have endless PDF books
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 21, 2014, 05:46:41 AM
Incomplete half-ass experiment!  I already put something on the table, and that was no posting to this forum if I am proven wrong.

If I do the experiment myself, are you and TinMan also willing not to post to this forum when proven wrong?

It is now time for you to put up or shut up!  One way or another, somebody is gone from this forum and I know it won't be me cause I have already done this experiment myself!

Whoever (You, Tinman, or myself) releases the video first, will be free to continue to post to this forum, regardless if the electromagnet with aluminium foil rotates or not!  Deal?

Gravock
You cobba are what we here in OZ call a dropkick
I have much respect for many members here, and your not one of them.Calling my experiments half arsed is just your excuse for having no answers to what I show right befor your eyes.And to r hink I would just fall for your idiotic deal, is nothing short of stupid.please post some of your own experiments, then let others judge your half arsed videos.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 05:54:38 AM
You cobba are what we here in OZ call a dropkick


Well said.       By the way, I zipped off your videos (the last 2) to some insanely rich (yes, that rich) very very close friends of mine.   ;)  ;)

1 has contacted me already, the other one is in China on a business trip.


send a private PM if you want.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 21, 2014, 05:57:26 AM
@TA
Thanks for the offers, but I must decline.
To all-please understand that I only say what I see in my test and experiments, and by no means are making claims outside of what my own tests are showing me-you see whst I am seeing in each test. Of course there could be different results if we set up the test differently-like the electromagnet test. I WILL be doing more on that,but you saw the results of that setup just as I did.
More to come, and all advice by others (except gravityblock) taken seriously
Cheers
Brad
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: d3x0r on July 21, 2014, 05:57:47 AM
How is it that bubbles rising in water the conclusion makes ?

How do we explain the vortexian structures in the smoke and flames of a fire ?  (coriolis)

Or the vortex in the plughole when we let the water out ? (coriolis)

Do they all point to a magnetic field being a vortex as well ? No

If not what does the presence of these other vortex structures suggest to us ?

Cheers

Fire tornadoes in Australian outback. I think I see at one stage the thin smoke is forming a large slow vortex while in the center
there is a thin very fast spinning and fast rising vortex of fire inside it @ 1:22.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsyvOYcWgcg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsyvOYcWgcg)

Now are we to assume there is an inverted magnetic vortex in the earth wherever there is a wind/ fire or water vortex ?
And a dielectric plane at about the Earths surface level ?

I think fluids naturally form a vortex when it can due to the movement of the fluid. Because it is an efficientway for it to happen,
just as water will find the easiest route down a hill a fluid will find the easiest way to rise "smoke/fire/bubbles" or
fall "water down a sink hole".

..
..


most are examples are coriolis effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_effect)
But that doesn't account for the spin around the magnet, otherwise the effect would be seen with just a block of metal.
Although I do wonder if being a hollow pipe defeated the electromagnet... much like a magnet with a hole in the center has an opposite pole in the hole.
http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/16712/hole-in-the-disc-shaped-magnet (http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/16712/hole-in-the-disc-shaped-magnet) 
with the magnet with the hole used in the first demo the hole was smaller and probably played less of a role.


physical demonstration that's not very good...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAPeN-6sHUg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAPeN-6sHUg)


Attached image shows field lines from a ring magnet... leaving the north pole and entering the south pole happens on both the inside and outside, which makes magnets both inside and outside flip as if there's a south pole instead of a north pole beyond the material of the magnet... I guess the best demonstration is bedini 'virtual' south poles as indicated when talking about a monopolar motor...  inbetween ANY two norths is a south.


(somewhat related, but starting to be digressive)
If a spherical magnet is put on a metal plate, it will balance so there's a north/south parallel to the surface of the plate, making the strongest binding... the flat rubber magnetic sheets used for truck decals and refigerator magnets have lots of north/south lines in them, which gives them the strongest binding force, and provides most stability in the weak material by actually having a south inbetween each north... the thickness of the sheet determines how wide these are... 


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The south is felt most within the top/bottom boundary of the magnet, which in a fluid it will definately experience.... moving a magnet outside of this region will make it seem as if it's an all-north face, but with a thinner outer boundary and smaller sensing magnet, there is a flip outside of the material of the magnet (above)


Edit:(oops arrow on right side, bottom is going the wrong direction) *shrug*


Edit2: did find an image reflecting the opposite pole in the middle of a ring magnet that's more artfully drawn.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: d3x0r on July 21, 2014, 06:03:53 AM
Fire tornados may relate to birkland currents though...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKG7HFM21Qk

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 21, 2014, 06:27:30 AM
@TA
Thanks for the offers, but I must decline.
To all-please understand that I only say what I see in my test and experiments, and by no means are making claims outside of what my own tests are showing me-you see whst I am seeing in each test. Of course there could be different results if we set up the test differently-like the electromagnet test. I WILL be doing more on that,but you saw the results of that setup just as I did.
More to come, and all advice by others (except gravityblock) taken seriously
Cheers
Brad

Maybe you'll take what I say seriously when you see the electromagnet wrapped completely and tightly in aluminium foil start rotating like the conductive nickel coated neo magnet.  Or, see how a non-conductive ceramic magnet doesn't rotate like the electromagnet without a conductive coating!

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 21, 2014, 06:35:27 AM
I said nothing about flipping the poles of a the magnet. I said ,Quote: We can place the wire in the north region,and the magnet will spin in one direction. We can place the wire in the south region,and the magnet will still rotate in the same direction-And this is correct thank you.Please read post correctly ,before saying some one is incorrect.

No, you are once again wrong!  The conductive magnet will spin in opposite directions when placing the wire in the north region as compared to placing the wire in the south region!

Like I said, prove me wrong, and I won't make another post to this forum!

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 06:48:46 AM
Although I do wonder if being a hollow pipe defeated the electromagnet... much like a magnet with a hole in the center has an opposite pole in the hole.

NO, and no and no and no to that one. ..........And, NO.


There is no "opposite pole" in the "middle",  THERE IS the dielectric inertial plane around the CIRCUMFERENCE of ALL magnets.

You cut a magnet a 1000000 times, it will still be there, it is "incommensurable".  As it is necessitated to be so.


If a spherical magnet is put on a metal plate, it will balance so there's a north/south parallel to the surface of the plate, making the strongest binding... the flat rubber magnetic sheets used for truck decals and refigerator magnets have lots of north/south lines in them, which gives them the strongest binding force, and provides most stability in the weak material by actually having a south inbetween each north... the thickness of the sheet determines how wide these are...   


If a SPHERE MAGNET is placed ON A MAGNET is has a PRECISE angle, due to gyromagnetic precession.    Its IN the book.


The south is felt most within the top/bottom boundary of the magnet, which in a fluid it will definately experience.... moving a magnet outside of this region will make it seem as if it's an all-north face, but with a thinner outer boundary and smaller sensing magnet, there is a flip outside of the material of the magnet (above)   


NOPE to that as well.

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 06:50:44 AM
Maybe you'll take what I say seriously when you see the electromagnet wrapped completely and tightly in aluminium foil start rotating like the conductive nickel coated neo magnet.
Gravock


Once again (for the 4th time) son,  ROTATION/ SPIN  is NOT conjugate field reciprocation.


I suspect you are drunk or insane.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 06:53:42 AM
The conductive magnet will spin in opposite directions
Gravock


Demented child...........  EACH "side" OF EVERY MAGNET ON EARTH HAS TWO vortex movements,  ONE centrifugal, and ONE centripetal


So, every 360 degrees of a single cycle of the turn of a magnet you have:
2 Ether-field modalities: dielectricity and magnetism (of course).
6 total pressure domain fluctuations, 2 centripetal, 2 centrifugal, and 2 dielectric
10 field-boundary gradients
   

Which side is moving which direction?!!!

N pole is moving centrifugally CW and centripetally CCW

S pole is moving centrifugally CCW, and centripetally CW




back to school with you.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 06:58:29 AM

Brad


If you want, I will put your credit and a couple pictures in the 3rd edition and give you credit for your new invention


IF you want,  As I said, I got many hundreds of 1000s of downloads on the book already     (NO I DONT MAKE A CENT OFF IT).


IF you want your picture and a credit for your discovery in the book, I will give it, if not, I wont put it there.      YOUR CHOICE.


Otherwise I will replicate same experiment and give you credit but use MY picture
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 21, 2014, 07:04:50 AM
Although I do wonder if being a hollow pipe defeated the electromagnet... much like a magnet with a hole in the center has an opposite pole in the hole.

Poor execution of a half-ass experiment and a lack of understanding on TinMan's part is what defeated the electromagnet from rotating.  However, there is an inverted field in the hole of a ring magnet like you said.  Here's an awsum video on a homopolar motor with an inverted field (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB8QtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DZbfTgGEtzg0&ei=W53MU7iqCaPE8QHEm4HQAw&usg=AFQjCNFf6w6u98DQFa1ADFMq3dIzyJiQ1w&sig2=cEis-OYAMRdshDLXfXQNkA).

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 07:10:28 AM


Poor execution of a half-ass experiment and a lack of understanding on TinMan's part is what defeated the electromagnet from rotating. 

BS claim #1

However, there is an inverted field in the hole of a ring magnet like you said.

BS claim #2


"inverted field in the hole"        WHAT HOLE?    ;D  ;D  ;D    Fields dont "see holes",   All fields move divergently and convergently


charge/discharge

convergent/divergent

centripetal/centrifugal





Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: ramset on July 21, 2014, 07:12:31 AM
Been around here for quite some time and I have to say this is a first


TheoriaApophasis (http://www.overunity.com/profile/theoriaapophasis.102135/)
Quote

Well said.       By the way, I zipped off your videos (the last 2) to some insanely rich (yes, that rich) very very close friends of mine.     

1 has contacted me already, the other one is in China on a important business trip.


send a private PM if you want.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


So you send off a mans work to Investors and business men
with out even asking him??
start threads in other forums  promoting your FREE  book with his work? [again with out even asking him]


http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19618-utterly-new-type-homopolar-motor-just-invented-off-my-book-video.html#post261712 (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19618-utterly-new-type-homopolar-motor-just-invented-off-my-book-video.html#post261712)


something very odd about that
very odd indeed


Sorta like international Patent  Harvester meets Open source
suckers...........
?

We have seen that Before and so has Brad.........


Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: d3x0r on July 21, 2014, 07:18:19 AM

There is no "opposite pole" in the "middle",  THERE IS the dielectric inertial plane around the CIRCUMFERENCE of ALL magnets.
You cut a magnet a 1000000 times, it will still be there, it is "incommensurable".  As it is necessitated to be so.

no cutting involved; just test using a speaker/microwave oven magnet....

If a SPHERE MAGNET is placed ON A MAGNET is has a PRECISE angle, due to gyromagnetic precession.    Its IN the book.
I said on a metal plate (should have additionally specified ferrous so I didn't get a smart remark about it not being attracted at all on copper/aluminum etc)

Quote
The south is felt most within the top/bottom boundary of the magnet, which in a fluid it will definately experience.... moving a magnet outside of this region will make it seem as if it's an all-north face, but with a thinner outer boundary and smaller sensing magnet, there is a flip outside of the material of the magnet (above)   

NOPE to that as well.
Ya actually it is.  Inside a ring magnet, the a separate magnet will be south-up if the ring is is north-up just like attaching a magnet to the outside.... the mating magnet will be south-up.

But I'm not defending this any further... this bit will definitely be leading a horse to water (but can't make him drink); and shouldn't have

hey look  thousands of images with magnets with holes in them  (https://www.google.com/search?q=ring+magnet&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS519US519&espv=2&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=daLMU4q3E4eHogTU2ILwBg&ved=0CEIQsAQ&biw=1466&bih=875).
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 21, 2014, 07:22:05 AM
Poor execution of a half-ass experiment and a lack of understanding on TinMan's part is what defeated the electromagnet from rotating.  However, there is an inverted field in the hole of a ring magnet like you said.  Here's an awsum video on a homopolar motor with an inverted field (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB8QtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DZbfTgGEtzg0&ei=W53MU7iqCaPE8QHEm4HQAw&usg=AFQjCNFf6w6u98DQFa1ADFMq3dIzyJiQ1w&sig2=cEis-OYAMRdshDLXfXQNkA).

Gravock
Total crap once again.In my first videos, I used a PM with a hole through the center, and guess what brainiac-thats right, it made no difference at all. Another one of your theories.I was never trying to get the electromagnet to spin-where did you ever come up with that? Go watch the video again-and get your facts straight before opening your big mouth again.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 21, 2014, 07:24:46 AM

Demented child...........  EACH "side" OF EVERY MAGNET ON EARTH HAS TWO vortex movements,  ONE centrifugal, and ONE centripetal


So, every 360 degrees of a single cycle of the turn of a magnet you have:
2 Ether-field modalities: dielectricity and magnetism (of course).
6 total pressure domain fluctuations, 2 centripetal, 2 centrifugal, and 2 dielectric
10 field-boundary gradients
   

Which side is moving which direction?!!!

N pole is moving centrifugally CW and centripetally CCW

S pole is moving centrifugally CCW, and centripetally CW




back to school with you.

No, it's back to school for you.  Duel Counter Rotating Homopolar Motor (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOZlAejTMYk) (Magnetic Vortex Motor - Part 4)!  This video clearly shows the conductive discs moving in opposite directions over opposite poles and not in the same rotation direction as you and TinMan wrongly and falsely asserts.

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 07:25:06 AM
So you send off a mans work to Investors and business men
with out even asking him??


In CASE YOU DIDNT NOTICE SON,  his videos are on an OPEN INTERNATIONAL PUBLIC YOUTUBE SITE

Now, wise the HELL UP



Ive never stolen ANYONES work,...........  I retired at age 32,  Im not out to SHAFT ANYONES HARD WORK

Get that son? !




Take your conspiracy crap down the road.  Got that?     YES, my book IS FREE,  I am NOT SELLING ANYTHING


And I sure as hell am not stealing ANYONES WORK.


I sent off links to HIS VIDEOS trying to HELP TINMAN,      maybe they can BUY HIS PROOF OF DESIGN FROM HIM.


Take off your tinfoil hat boy,  You DONT KNOW ME


and dont EVER accuse me of being out to steal anyones HARD WORK


Got that boy?
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 07:33:10 AM
    If a SPHERE MAGNET is placed ON A MAGNET is has a PRECISE angle, due to gyromagnetic precession.    Its IN the book.
I said on a metal plate (should have additionally specified ferrous so I didn't get a smart remark about it not being attracted at all on copper/aluminum etc) 


I know, I was referring to another method, ON a magnet.


Ya actually it is.  Inside a ring magnet, the a separate magnet will be south-up if the ring is is north-up just like attaching a magnet to the outside.... the mating magnet will be south-up.


Ya actually, no.......you "dont get it",    EVERY SIDE TO EVERY MAGNET on earth has 2 fields, (both magnetic, as driven by dielectricity), centrifugal, and centripetal.

N and S are also ultimately meaningless polarized = spatial, = human perceptualizations of "N and S",  reciprocal field conjugation has neither "S nor N" "poles" reductively.

that "center" you speak of can be seen with magnetic viewing film, its the dielectric inertial plane.



So, every 360 degrees of a single cycle of the turn of a magnet you have:
2 Ether-field modalities: dielectricity and magnetism (of course).
6 total pressure domain fluctuations, 2 centripetal, 2 centrifugal, and 2 dielectric
10 field-boundary gradients
   

N pole is moving centrifugally CW and centripetally CCW
S pole is moving centrifugally CCW, and centripetally CW




From the illustrations below: We have, at picture 1, the “magnetic” disk resting against gravity in parallel to the dielectric plane
of the large 2x2x1” magnet, whose dielectric inertial plane is illustrated in green. In picture 2 we have the steel disk sitting (it almost
will rest on its knife edge) perpendicular to the dielectric, which is the only low torque position in line with the magnetic circular
induction, marked in red. In fact, even using a magnet twice this size, and many 100s of times the weight of the steel disk, the torque
of the steel disk along the dielectric will move the magnet to keep a perfect perpendicular; the same is true in reverse for the disk
“magnet” in parallel to the dielectric of the block. The steel disk is magnetized, is a magnetically induced disk in whole, whereas the
block and disk in picture one are electrified, are “magnets” only conventionally but are in fact dielectric objects in near-whole, and sodeemed
“magnets” because the magnetic ‘part’ is spatial and the near-whole, dielectric, is counterspatial and radial. This is magnetodielectric
momentum; identical to gyroscopic inertia, however here we have dielectrical centripetal inertia and circular magnetic
inertia expanding along the Z-axis (see diagrams of magnetism in other sections of this article). Massive confusion exists that this is
the “boundary wall, domain wall, Bloch wall” of a magnet, it is not, it is the primary mover of the magnetism, having been electrified,
it is the dielectric inertial plane. Breaking the magnet will cause an immediate (faster than light) creation of a new self-centering
dielectric plane. As per figure 1 I can place the brick magnet on a 500 pound refrigerator and not making contact with the tiny fewgrams
disk magnet, twist it from parallel against the dielectric plane against the brick magnet and make the 500 pound refrigerator
shake resultantly there is so much dielectric torque at play. This among many other experiments is proof that dielectricity is at play in
any magnet as primary, and magnetism itself as merely an attributional secondary. You certainly could not cause such a reaction by
way of magnetism alone from the disk magnet to the 500-pound object, that would be impossible; only by means of dielectric torque.


Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: ramset on July 21, 2014, 07:36:35 AM
Avoid the very appearance of evil and no one will accuse you


""I called my very Rich friends and sent them your work because I'm such a helpy kinda guy..


I retired at twelve because I'm sucha helpy guy that peeps just send me money....""




where I come from we just call it respect....


its a manly thing....




your posting such large pics that its making me sleepy running back and forth to read the page


Maybe one of your zillion PDFs and Books will teach you how to post on a forum [I personally don't know how myself]
Nightey night...........
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 07:39:29 AM
No, it's back to school for you. 

Gravock
 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOZlAejTMYk)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOZlAejTMYk


You DEMENTED DEMON,  ;D  ;D he says in that video, the same damn thing I DO at 32 seconds in.     ROFL


However he is only witnessing the CENTRIFUGAL movement, NOT the centripetal.

Yes, you are officially drunk and/or insane   ;D  ;D  ;D

Look at HIS diagram below in HIS video, its just a CRUDE example of what I have already said.


You son, are bat guano insane.     ;D  ;D

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 21, 2014, 07:44:16 AM
Well here is my second test. This time using an electromagnet insted of a PM. There is no spin detected with the electromagnet,unlike the PM that shows a clear spin at the pole's(Im using the terms north and south pole's,as that is what most people understand)

So why no spin with the electromagnet ,that is placed in the same situation???.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIlijUSJMmg&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIlijUSJMmg&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w)

Because you half-assed the experiment and the electromagnet was not placed in the same situation as the permanent magnet!  The permanent magnet used in your experiment had a nickel coated conductive layer around it while the electromagnet had no conductive layer wrapped around it!

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 07:48:11 AM
  The permanent magnet used in your experiment had a nickel coated conductive layer around it while the electromagnet had no conductive layer wrapped around it!

Gravock


GOOD NEWS MORON........... I did this experiment off a crap neodymium magnet with ALL the nickle plating OFF of it over a year ago when I saw "magnetflippers" video


That ends your BS right there.  ;D  ;D


Someone thought of that "loophole" before YOU DID   (I did)



Neodymium iron boron magnet (or even an iron one) will conduct,  WILL, under electrolysis of the water, create a vortex of hydrogen bubbles.

Now what meatheat?
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 21, 2014, 07:51:40 AM
I know I have made my points already but it can't hurt to reinforce them perhaps just one more time.  It's sometimes just flabbergasting to see how screwed up people can be in their thought processes some times and how other people will actually back them up.  It's like some kind of reality distortion field descends upon some people and then some kind of "zombie force" takes over people's minds.  It's like watching the news and hearing about some horrible unspeakable act that was done by what was apparently a normal person or a normal couple.  It's almost scary that this can happen and it's equally scary that some people will read it and not say anything.

Quote
THERE IS the dielectric inertial plane around the CIRCUMFERENCE of ALL magnets.

So, every 360 degrees of a single cycle of the turn of a magnet you have:
2 Ether-field modalities: dielectricity and magnetism (of course).
6 total pressure domain fluctuations, 2 centripetal, 2 centrifugal, and 2 dielectric
10 field-boundary gradients

N pole is moving centrifugally CW and centripetally CCW

S pole is moving centrifugally CCW, and centripetally CW

Those types of statements quoted above are absolutely retarded nonsensical idiocy and people reading them should have the guts to speak out and say it.  I realize this is just some nano-alleyway on the Internet and very few people are reading then and even fewer really care.  If you read and you care and you agree with me, at least one posting expressing your own opinion would be worth considering.

What are we coming to when this stuff happens?  If you want to be dramatic it feels like the beginning of a slippery slope towards the complete technical mental retardation of the population.  There is not too much of a difference between this thread and the quasi-cult of the QEG and Fix the World, or even worse, that creepy cult-like group in Brazil that makes "environmentally friendly" table fans built around a very inefficient pulse motor for $250 USD a pop.

I know the other point of view is to refrain from "feeding" this guy.  If nobody speaks up one day a guy like this may end up teaching your kids "science" because he slipped through the cracks.

Timnan is doing some interesting experiments, but the rest of this thread is just brain pollution.  It's a complete nonsense thread.  Just look at the nonsensical way this guy has bashed me and many other people.  It's just ridiculous.  It's like some guy put a magnet near a CRT monitor and had no clue what he was looking at and has ended up creating his own Bizarro Universe and he wants you to sip his Kool-Aid.

This teacher that has put up clips is my favourite link for a good beginners introduction to electronics and magnetism.  It does require that you have a basic understanding of calculus.

https://www.youtube.com/user/lasseviren1/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/lasseviren1/videos)

The YouTuber Lasseviren can blow Theoria out of the water with his pinky.   You are comparing and contrasting absolutely real with crackpot nonsense.  Note the crackpot has no clothes and he can't even solve the most basic electronics and magnetism problems.  He is nothing but a poser that had a copy-pastagasm.

If you want to get a bit more technical, most people know the "Hyperphysics" web site.  Their server is down tonight so making a link is a bit more complicated.  Just Google it.

There is also the MIT series on electricity and magnetism:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3omwHv3Cmog (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3omwHv3Cmog)

The society is not healthy without the lunatic fringe but there are limits.  If a guy like this somehow ended up teaching my kids science I would go after him, I would go after the school, and I would go after the school board.

This guy is pure junk, his book is pure junk, and he is clueless.  And he plays some kind of exaggerated and histrionic Jim-Carey-Mask-like over-the-top character to the hilt.  It's not even funny, it's just ridiculous.  That's the bottom line.

I am not stopping him from posting.  He can post up a storm if he wants, that's his right.  It's also my right to say my piece.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 07:52:46 AM

where I come from we just call it respect....


its a manly thing....



I have ALREADY heaped respect ON HIS VIDEOS on other sites, and TO OTHER PEOPLE.

They're HIS experiments, HIS work, HIS videos.


I dont steal other people hard work.      I DO however direct people to possibly INVEST in an invention.    That however helps TINMAN, not hurt him.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 21, 2014, 07:54:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOZlAejTMYk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOZlAejTMYk)


You DEMENTED DEMON,  ;D ;D he says in that video, the same damn thing I DO at 32 seconds in.     ROFL


However he is only witnessing the CENTRIFUGAL movement, NOT the centripetal.

Yes, you are officially drunk and/or insane   ;D ;D ;D

Look at HIS diagram below in HIS video, its just a CRUDE example of what I have already said.


You son, are bat guano insane.     ;D ;D

I am not disputing that there is two counter rotating vortices as stated at 32 seconds in the video.  I have been saying the magnet/disc will rotate in opposite directions when over opposite poles, instead of rotating in the same rotation direction over opposite poles as you and TinMan wrongly and falsely asserted.  The video proves what I said is true, and proves your and TinMan's assertion to be false.  This is another misdirection attempt by you!

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 07:55:35 AM


A: If nobody speaks up one day a guy like this may end up teaching your kids "science" because he slipped through the cracks.

B: Timnan is doing some interesting experiments, but the rest of this thread is just brain pollution
MileHigh



>>>>>>>>>>>You JUST CONTRADICTED YOURSELF straight to hell and back you worthless LUMP  <<<<<<<<<<<


  PART B (above) is happening because of A,......I inspired him, Tinman, (and others on other boards)..... to investigate something he would NOT HAVE DONE SO IF I DIDNT CREATE THIS THREAD AND POST THE FREE BOOK TO HIM (and others)


You see that stinking rancid  &#(*@($  contradiction you mindless demented fool??????     :D  :D ;D  ;D  ;D



 Tinman was inspired to DO THINGS ,  because of MY POST (which I BEGAN),

He both IS and HAS PRODUCED RESULTS.
..............due to inspiration from THIS THREAD / BOOK


You , sir, only produce mental excreta and dissuade people from exploring and inventing.     Your thoughts are more rancid than a rotting fish's orifice


Is this you?

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 21, 2014, 08:03:30 AM
You are the one that is the mindless demented fool, jackass.

Post up a storm, and show the world your retarded nonsense with pride.  Feel free to paint yourself into a corner complete with your dunce cap.

Carry on....
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 21, 2014, 08:05:47 AM

GOOD NEWS MORON........... I did this experiment off a crap neodymium magnet with ALL the nickle plating OFF of it over a year ago when I saw "magnetflippers" video


That ends your BS right there.  ;D ;D


Someone thought of that "loophole" before YOU DID   (I did)



Neodymium iron boron magnet (or even an iron one) will conduct,  WILL, under electrolysis of the water, create a vortex of hydrogen bubbles.

Now what meatheat?

This has nothing to do with the magnet or electromagnet rotating or not, lol!

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 08:08:13 AM
This is another misdirection attempt by you!

Gravock


Bullsh*t WALKS. 


You want "misdirection"  son?


A:  I post this thread

B: An intelligent inventive critter like Tinman gets inspired from the info here/in the book .......to do something WHOLLY DIFFERENT

C: Holy Sh*t!!!!!!!   Instant results

D:  ..........what??? more??   Holy Sh*t,  Tinmin finds a NEW TYPE of homopolar motor from MY thread, and info from THIS thread / My book (both etc.)



That, boy, is called  "RESULTS" 
   ;D


Go sit on your electromotor
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 08:09:53 AM
You are the one that is the mindless demented fool, jackass.



I just proved , with 100% absolute certainty, that you contradicted yourself to hell AND back again.    ;D

You know damn well what you said above.



I dont believe in MIB, or "suppression agents",    But you, boy  ARE ONE in principle.


Ive had 4 people private message me that your a clueless lump whose ONLY purpose is to dissuade people from

A: invention
B: experimenting
C: discovery
D: investigation.


Too bad your BS isnt working, maybe it will or has on weaker minds.

You dont invent, you dont create, you have no patent(s).       You are not, definitionally, a "Platonic truth seeker".

Your a parrot for the Cult of Quantum and a closed minded boob.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 21, 2014, 08:12:04 AM

Bullsh*t WALKS. 


You want "misdirection"  son?


A:  I post this thread

B: An intelligent inventive critter like Tinman gets inspired from the info here/in the book .......to do something WHOLLY DIFFERENT

C: Holy Sh*t!!!!!!!   Instant results

D:  ..........what??? more??   Holy Sh*t,  Tinmin finds a NEW TYPE of homopolar motor from MY thread, and info from THIS thread / My book (both etc.)



That, boy, is called  "RESULTS" 
   ;D


Go sit on your electromotor

A new type of homopolar motor?  It is the most common type of homopolar motor you will find on youtube, lol!

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: ramset on July 21, 2014, 08:12:44 AM
Milehigh


It does seem very odd indeed......


and yes the TinMan's work shines thru as the highlight .[I really don't understand Why Gravock is throwin piunches at TinMan???]


But the universe works in strange ways and Ken is very excited about all this work he has compiled
and he has excited a lot of other folks too...


 I just wish we could take this back to a more respectful and professional place.
and I don't mean Business profession KEN  we work here free of those attachments  and what they represent...
Open source !!


Thx
Chet


 



Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: picowatt on July 21, 2014, 08:14:02 AM
MH,

This thread has been a tough read to follow from the very beginning.  The arrogance, condescension, and ego battles are just way over the top. 

My only post up to now has been with regard to Tinman's spinning bubbles experiment, which I thought interesting enough to deserve a few null experiments to further investigate the cause.

As for the rest, it speaks for itself...

PW
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 08:18:42 AM

 I just wish we could take this back to a more respectful and professional place.
and I don't mean Business profession KEN  we work here free of those attachments  and what they represent...
Open source !!
Thx
Chet

I admit to being a pissy bastard sometimes.   But Im always out to help people.

My incredibly rich friend said  "what the &@**# are you giving that book away for??? You worked so hard on it, SELL IT! ...and you have another 3rd edition coming out"


I said NO, I love giving things away.    I care about wisdom, invention, understanding.

Like Tesla said  "my favorite things are books" .    Kinda the same here,  I only want knowledge and progress and information to get out there.

People hate the book, dont give a hoot, people like it, great,   people INVENT something based upon it, even much better.


As E. Dollard says "I dont give a damn if you believe me,  TEST and EXPERIMENT yourself!!"



What the hell ever happened to pure exploration?  A lust to experiment and invent. 

I have an ongoing experiment (done it 10X already)  , when people see the results, their brains will do a flip. (At least it has to the few I have shown it to).


Congrats to Tinman.   ;)
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 21, 2014, 08:23:35 AM
PW and Ramset:

Thanks for your comments.

And to "the dude:"  The people that sent you messages claiming that I am a "clueless lump"  (your words or theirs?) are lying through their teeth.  Likewise YOU are lying through your teeth because you are not so retarded that you can't make inferences about my technical knowledge and background.  When I asked you for three technical discussions about a Bedini motor it's because I can write up five pages about testing a Bedini motor without batting an eyelash.  You on the other hand, are clueless and can't say anything.

You are a ridiculous nonsensical clueless histrionic dumb-ass POSER.

That's it, I am done.  Go ahead and continue making a fool of yourself.  Post as much as you want.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 21, 2014, 08:27:20 AM
Milehigh


It does seem very odd indeed......


and yes the TinMan's work shines thru as the highlight .[I really don't understand Why Gravock is throwin piunches at TinMan???]


But the universe works in strange ways and Ken is very excited about all this work he has compiled
and he has excited a lot of other folks too...


 I just wish we could take this back to a more respectful and professional place.
and I don't mean Business profession KEN  we work here free of those attachments  and what they represent...
Open source !!


Thx
Chet

TinMan did an incomplete experiment that is misleading people down the wrong path and to form wrong conclusions while his boy TA is wrongfully puffing him up over it.  TinMan also made a false assertion about the rotation direction over opposite poles.  As far as TA goes, it has been one false assertion after another.  This is total B.S. and I am pissed off.

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: ramset on July 21, 2014, 08:38:58 AM
Gravock
TinMan works his Butt off all day at a job and goes home and experiments for the benefit of others


he's been doing it for years


He makes no claims and only asks for answers to his work and advise on whats happening?


This will all pan out and the biggest reason it will pan out  is because TinMan is involved and he practices Brutal honesty in His work .


and he is quite tenacious.
please stop taking his work as an assault on yourself


this is an opportunity to learn and perhaps to teach


at the very least we need to attempt to steer this Thread back to a more respectful course.


thx
Chet
PS
And I am respectfully grabbin my Pillow and gettin some shuteye


 
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 21, 2014, 08:45:01 AM
Gravoc-I will put together all my statements, and then all your misdirected comments.Then we will see who is missleeding who.i have only made statements based around whst I see in the experiment im doing at the time.so hold of on the dribble until you read your own mistakes
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 21, 2014, 08:45:56 AM
Gravock
TinMan works his Butt off all day at a job and goes home and experiments for the benefit of others


he's been doing it for years


He makes no claims and only asks for answers to his work and advise on whats happening?


This will all pan out and the biggest reason it will pan out  is because TinMan is involved and he practices Brutal honesty in His work .


and he is quite tenacious.
please stop taking his work as an assault on yourself


this is an opportunity to learn and perhaps to teach


at the very least we need to attempt to steer this Thread back to a more respectful course.


thx
Chet

Fair enough!

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 21, 2014, 08:57:52 AM
Gravoc-I will put together all my statements, and then all your misdirected comments.Then we will see who is missleeding who.i have only made statements based around whst I see in the experiment im doing at the time.so hold of on the dribble until you read your own mistakes

I read one of your posts out of context and referred to flipping the poles.  From that point on, you got an attitude with me.  Regardless, what I said was correct.  There was no intentional misdirection on my part.  You, then put things into the correct context for me by stating that the rotation direction is the same for both the south pole region and the north pole region of the magnet......which I stated was also wrong!  Then you get more of an attitude with me cause I disagreed with you once again!  TA waving an incomplete experiment as support for his wrong conclusions doesn't help matters either.

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 09:56:14 AM
TA waving an incomplete experiment as support for his wrong conclusions doesn't help matters either.
Gravock


As per this BS claim, the burden of PROOF, lay in your lap son.


Tinman did the work,   now go make a video and show us we are all full of BS.     


stop talking , start DOING.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 10:00:59 AM
Then we will see who is missleeding who.i have only made statements based around whst I see in the experiment im doing at the time.so hold of on the dribble until you read your own mistakes


No worries mate,   you have cred, and anyone with 2 brain cells can SEE you do "the DO".   

I assume you dont take their worthless lip flapping BS as anything other than the buzzing of flies.



I cant wait to reveal the experiments Ive been doing recently with magnetism and "X"    Its just stunning.   ;)





By the way, people were asking me to make this diagram below,    I wonder myself why I didnt include it in the 2nd edition   






Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 10:03:22 AM
You are a ridiculous nonsensical


You have nothing intelligent to contribute on the topic of magnetism, field reciprocation,  field incommensurability, implications of same, as per invention, meaning, use, etc etc.

Go play SPEEDBUMP somewhere else son.


Intellectually, you're a sandpaper condom.     "worse than useless"

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 21, 2014, 10:40:53 AM
I read one of your posts out of context and referred to flipping the poles.  From that point on, you got an attitude with me.  Regardless, what I said was correct.  There was no intentional misdirection on my part.  You, then put things into the correct context for me by stating that the rotation direction is the same for both the south pole region and the north pole region of the magnet......which I stated was also wrong!  Then you get more of an attitude with me cause I disagreed with you once again!  TA waving an incomplete experiment as support for his wrong conclusions doesn't help matters either.

Gravock
I got attitude with you? You made a faulse and incorrect statement toward what I said-and ive got attitude? Really Gravoc.
Then you say the reason I didnt get the electromagnet to spin was because of a half ass job. The spinning magnet video was the last one, and the electromahnet test had nothing to do with spinning a magnet.it was based around the video-getting the bubbles to spin-another incorrect statement by you-along with your incorrect insult about a half ass experiment.my conclusion was 100% correct based around the experiment performed.The electromagnet in the test showed different results to that of a PM. You decide its wrong based on a device that I was not testing. Do you know how stupid that sounds-Tinman, your horse power measurements for your 4 banger are wrong, because my V8 has double that. Get this straight Gravoc-I give AND show results of devices im testing-not what you think I should be testing.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 21, 2014, 11:19:58 AM
We can place the wire in the north region,and the magnet will spin in one direction. We can place the wire in the south region,and the magnet spins in the same direction-so what pole is produced from the wire?.

This statement is absolutely wrong and wasn't based on any experiments you were currently doing.

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 11:28:31 AM
This statement is absolutely wrong and wasn't based on any experiments you were currently doing.

Gravock

Nobody is buying your BS against Tinman.


zip your hole about HIS work.     1 second of his work is worth 100 pages of your lip flapping



......back to magnetism.





Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 21, 2014, 11:40:31 AM
I got attitude with you? You made a faulse and incorrect statement toward what I said-and ive got attitude? Really Gravoc.
Then you say the reason I didnt get the electromagnet to spin was because of a half ass job. The spinning magnet video was the last one, and the electromahnet test had nothing to do with spinning a magnet.it was based around the video-getting the bubbles to spin-another incorrect statement by you-along with your incorrect insult about a half ass experiment.my conclusion was 100% correct based around the experiment performed.The electromagnet in the test showed different results to that of a PM. You decide its wrong based on a device that I was not testing. Do you know how stupid that sounds-Tinman, your horse power measurements for your 4 banger are wrong, because my V8 has double that. Get this straight Gravoc-I give AND show results of devices im testing-not what you think I should be testing.

I will go back and review what was said and re-watch your videos.  The problem I am having is it takes me like 1 hour to watch a 5 minute video due to a crappy internet connection.  I may have also watched your videos out of order due to the high posting volume and a crappy connection.  I will give you the benefit of the doubt for now. 

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TinselKoala on July 21, 2014, 12:29:57 PM
Googling "Ken Lee Wheeler" this is the link at the top of the results page.

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=8604

Now I know that can't be anyone we know.  Quite the coincidence, though. Must be a common name.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 12:36:08 PM
Googling "Ken Lee Wheeler" this is the link at the top of the results page.

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=8604

Now I know that can't be anyone we know.  Quite the coincidence, though. Must be a common name.


FUNNY BULLSHIT there son.     
    But I was born in Sept. 1972

says that ugly shit is 5 foot 6.     Im 6 foot
Is that your fucking tactic boy?  Finding some criminal fucking thug with the (almost) same name?

My name isnt "Kenny" , son.


As anyone can see from my earliest videos made, with my face in full view, that vile POS isnt me.


If you have nothing intelligent to contribute, then shut the hell up.

You insinuate from a link that I'm some creepy criminal short hairy faced  offender?      You only prove you're a demonic thug, vile sack of fecal matter willing to do anything to divert the topic OFF Magnetism and related.

My wife died 4 years ago from cancer, I took care of her dying from cancer for 10 long fucking years.


Let me lay in on the line for you son,  I have an expensive lawyer (R. Mustetter), and you need to think twice about lies and slander against someone that has BOTH the time and money to sue your goddamn ass.


Clear enough?   Good
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: minnie on July 21, 2014, 12:54:57 PM



  Puerile springs to mind when reading most of this stuff.
The tinman's honest, the Koala loves a joke, as for most
of the rest.......well?
                      John.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: d3x0r on July 21, 2014, 01:40:04 PM
Regarding dual homopolar counter-rotating plates.  He has to have the current going opposite directions.  If you put another magnet aligned the same direction near the bottom, the field would still be the same direction as the top.... he has to have the current running something like....
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TinselKoala on July 21, 2014, 01:51:40 PM

FUNNY BULLSHIT there son.     
    But I was born in Sept. 1972

says that ugly shit is 5 foot 6.     Im 6 foot
Is that your fucking tactic boy?  Finding some criminal fucking thug with the (almost) same name?

My name isnt "Kenny" , son.


As anyone can see from my earliest videos made, with my face in full view, that vile POS isnt me.


If you have nothing intelligent to contribute, then shut the hell up.

You insinuate from a link that I'm some creepy criminal short hairy faced  offender?      You only prove you're a demonic thug, vile sack of fecal matter willing to do anything to divert the topic OFF Magnetism and related.

My wife died 4 years ago from cancer, I took care of her dying from cancer for 10 long fucking years.


Let me lay in on the line for you son,  I have an expensive lawyer (R. Mustetter), and you need to think twice about lies and slander against someone that has BOTH the time and money to sue your goddamn ass.

You seem to be forgetting what I said in my post.
Here is is again:
Quote
Googling "Ken Lee Wheeler" this is the link at the top of the results page.

http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=8604 (http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/flyer.do?personId=8604)

Now I know that can't be anyone we know.  Quite the coincidence, though. Must be a common name.

I put in "KEN LEE WHEELER" not "Kenny" and that is what Google served me up at the TOP of the results page. The very first link. SO maybe you can discuss with your lawyers what the definition of "slander" is, and you and them can contact GOOGLE with your complaint. I'll bet they have even more expensive lawyers than you do.
When you are talking to your expensive lawyers, be sure to show them a complete copy of this thread with all your comments, insults, slanders and libels included. Especially this last post of yours. Don't have a copy? I do.

Quote

Clear enough?   Good
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: d3x0r on July 21, 2014, 01:55:05 PM
Would be nice to have a better illustration of these centriptetal/centrifugal fields as applies to a ring magnet instead of a single solid bar magnet structure.


Or maybe something like the poles on a hard drive magnet (attached).


A ring has a N/S all along the substance of the magnet, but as soon as you leave the surface it starts to fold down, unless you're far enough away that you still see the general pole that's on the face of that ring...  Guess I'll attach that again; actually guess I'll add some more small magnets to indicate orientations...


So if a bunch of magnets are aligned so their S end is up; doesn't that make a pole up?  Since other near magnets will want to orient themselves south down.


Yes you have a complex terminology that north = (ccw something) and south = (cw something) but rather than labeling the cat as 'a brown animal belonging to the family Felidae' just call it a cat. AKA; a rose by any other name would smell the same(as sweet).
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TinselKoala on July 21, 2014, 01:58:00 PM
You do realize I hope that not all ring magnets are polled radially. Most in fact are not, they are either polled on their faces (as in your illustration) or "by halves".
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: d3x0r on July 21, 2014, 01:59:42 PM
You do realize I hope that not all ring magnets are polled radially. Most in fact are not, they are either polled on their faces (as in your illustration) or "by halves".
Yes; and some are multipolled like a halbach array... anything more complex than a simple bipolar body (err dipole).
Edit: although, I guess our experiences are different... diametric or half-reversed are more rare..  every ring magnet I've 'stumbled on' has been as illustrated.  I've been shopping and realize there are more choices, but if I went to ebay and bought an unlabeled ring magnet, I would bet good money it would be polled through its faces consistently.  Speakers and microwaves definately use that sort of magnet, and since other than generators those are the two biggest demands, I'd expect them to be the same generally.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 21, 2014, 02:31:52 PM
I will go back and review what was said and re-watch your videos.  The problem I am having is it takes me like 1 hour to watch a 5 minute video due to a crappy internet connection.  I may have also watched your videos out of order due to the high posting volume and a crappy connection.  I will give you the benefit of the doubt for now. 

Gravock
Gravoc-lets start again ,and put aside the misunderstandings. But yes,please feel free to go back and view in order(if you can with the slow internet conection),and you will see why i got uptight.
Anyway,in my test i was using a simple standard electromagnet,as pictured below. I show how there was no vortex of bubbles on the pole end of the electromagnet,and yet there was using a PM-my comment was what i observed in that test-nothing more.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: d3x0r on July 21, 2014, 02:35:05 PM

Anyway,in my test i was using a simple standard electromagnet,as pictured below. I show how there was no vortex of bubbles on the pole end of the electromagnet,and yet there was using a PM-my comment was what i observed in that test-nothing more.
:) I know what was wrong; you need 240V and 100A instead of just 5A :) no that looked plenty strong... would be curious if ceramic magnets were used, if it's a matter of strength.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 21, 2014, 02:39:38 PM
This statement is absolutely wrong and wasn't based on any experiments you were currently doing.

Gravock
This statement is correct as far as my test showed,which were done prior to the water test. Look at the picture below of a simple homopolar motor. We can place the conducting wire(the wire that touches the magnet) from the positive of the battery in/on the north end/south end,or center of the magnet,and it will spin in the same direction.Nothing speacial,i know-just saying. Of course i know that if we flip the magnet over,it will spin in the opposite direction,as it will if we swap the voltage polarity over.And if we do both at the same time,the spin direction wont change-all this i know Gravoc. Hope that clears that up.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: d3x0r on July 21, 2014, 02:44:10 PM
what if the current is only going through the axis, and not radially?  (works also if it's stuck on a hanging plate, and the electrical contacts are literally on the ends)
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on July 21, 2014, 02:48:37 PM
TA quote:

A:  I post this thread

B: An intelligent inventive critter like Tinman gets inspired from the info here/in the book .......to do something WHOLLY DIFFERENT

C: Holy Sh*t!!!!!!!   Instant results




You left out a step there TA...finally someone catches him in a mistake (me)...we'll label that step B1.

You left out the part where you had to fight your way thru 9 yards of bullsh!t from naysayers, nitpickers, and shills (http://www.overunity.com/14167/thread-for-naysayers-nitpickers-and-shills/msg410658/#msg410658), some of which are chronicled in my old but still relevant thread dedicated their activities...

http://www.overunity.com/14167/thread-for-naysayers-nitpickers-and-shills/msg410658/#new (http://www.overunity.com/14167/thread-for-naysayers-nitpickers-and-shills/msg410658/#new)

There are more than 2 paid  in operation on this thread...or at least more than 2 accounts.

Chaos and flux is their method of operation...good cop-bad cop.

Regards...

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 21, 2014, 02:54:40 PM
:) I know what was wrong; you need 240V and 100A instead of just 5A :) no that looked plenty strong... would be curious if ceramic magnets were used, if it's a matter of strength.
I ahve tried strong PM's,and very weak PM's ,and all give the spin of bubbles at the pole end.As you seen in the video,i got no spin from the electromagnet at all-not even a slight bend.

I had intended to shoot another video tonight,but i not long got home from work. I start at 3.30 to 5am ,and finnish between 7.30 and 9.30pm.It's now 8.50pm here,so by the time i hit the shower,have some dinner,and hit the hay,it will be around 10pm-only to rise again at 3.30am. As i drive a semi for a living now(done with the workshop's and mine sites),it is very important that i get some sort of decent hours sleep. So i just aint going to make it out to the work shop tonight im afraid. Will try again tomorrow night,as i have something i want to show you all-well i hope i do anyway lol. I will be filming it live as it happens-no testing first-should be a hoot,or a compleete fail.
Were going for a full wireless fish tank motor,as a hint.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 21, 2014, 02:59:07 PM
TA quote:

A:  I post this thread

B: An intelligent inventive critter like Tinman gets inspired from the info here/in the book .......to do something WHOLLY DIFFERENT

C: Holy Sh*t!!!!!!!   Instant results




You left out a step there TA...finally someone catches him in a mistake (me)...we'll label that step B1.



Regards...
You catch who in what mistake?.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 21, 2014, 03:02:49 PM
what if the current is only going through the axis, and not radially?  (works also if it's stuck on a hanging plate, and the electrical contacts are literally on the ends)
The thing with doing it in water,is that the current is going in every diretion. This is why i dont think it is acting in the same manner as a homopolar motor-but lots more to learn yet,and far to early to know what is really happening.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: wattsup on July 21, 2014, 03:03:39 PM

What the hell, are you guys sleep-posting again. hahaha So much intensity and not one piece of toast was added on the table.

@TA

Thanks for your reply. I will comment in bold between your lines. Not because I am any bolder then you. hahaha


I have no such video using "nails"  elaborate.

Yes in this video of yours here........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWMu0cndKl4&list=UUVcxJ9k14bi__-uA1cGkEcA


Yes, of course it can be boiled down much more so. And I have future videos for that.  The book which is expanding is another matter.

wattsup: """But to say this effect is the result of multi fields moving both ways, one lifting up, the other pushing down onto a geometrically uniform pattern is something that just does not click."""

That it doesnt "click" is no ERR on my behalf. Simplex lowest-pressure cross-mediation is extremely simplex.

I love being refuted actually, and I stated my purpose here many times, I have no interest in convincing anyone of anything.  They can wipe their arse with the book for all it matters.

IF HOWEVER someone (has happened a few times in this thread) has something very logical and coherent to say FOR or AGAINST any point, thats always of great USE, and great BENEFIT (to myself at any rate).

A friendly DEBATE isnt an argument.     I respect all parties here, but this is NOT A personality contest, its an exchange of information and ideas. Sometimes rough, sometimes Smooth.

However I dont care one way or the other about anyone's  "personality",   if you care about mine, well, that lay at your own feet.

I don't care about yours, I care about readers who will have a field day trying to understand via your teaching method. No problem man. No sweat off my arse either - hehehe.

wattsup: """" If the cause of the cone pattern is the magnet field pattern, then why does the cone pattern change?""""

I explain same in a future video and the 3rd edition of the book,    I state outright IN the book that "much WILL and NEEDS to be expanded upon".

So lacking that further explanation you can understand my stance on this as it is explained, but I must certify that any explanation will still have to be such that it can hold against further debate.

wattsup: """""But then I read "there is no Ether in space, only space within the Ether", just cannot figure that one out.""""""

Neither can most people.

What you are stating here is an oxymoron. So if ether is everywhere, how is it not in space. May as well say there is no juice in an orange, only orange in the juice. Helloooooooooooo. Anyone home. May as well try 1 + 2 does not = 3, but 3 = 2 + 1. What part of the brain is this type of logic supposed to reside?

Polarity = Spatial = CW/CCW  ...........these are the mental skr3w of human (MIS)understanding

Ultimately there is NO "polarity" in a "magnet" only field reciprocation and MOVEMENT along lowest pressure gradients, of which FIELDS in their instantaneous attributional creation, generates the ATTRIBUTE OF SPACE , that being polarization.

Chains of causation:
1. Field(s)
2. space
3. polarization

However, logically one can say that 2 and 3 are co-eternal

Space is an attribute of a FIELD,  there are no "fields in space", only SPACE as an attribute, and posterior (in creation) from FIELDS.

This is voodoo science man. Space is an attribute of a field, then you say there are no fields in space. What you are actually saying here is without a field, there is no space, and, there are no fields in space. I think the only way to understand this is after a good old lobotomy.

You are going to have to slice this up in more serveable portions.

This is why Einstein was a mental midget, he REIFIED the attribute of FIELDS , that being SPACE as "something" that "does things" and "acts on things"

Look, forget about Einstein, him being a joker is no help for anyone trying to understand your logic and failing that, you may wind up in the same room as him. Is that what you want?

wattsup: """"My main stance is ether is everywhere. In space, in atoms, in magnetism, in action at a distance, in everything man. So where is this "no ether in space" """"

Then you SHOULD HAVE ALREADY deduced from this fact that you are swimming IN fields upon fields WITHIN fields and other fields upon fields upon fields.

Why should I deduce anything about ether and the field. The field you talk about is what for you? The only field I recognize is the field produced by ether onto any energized object. But that field is totally useless for our purposes. All fields are totally useless because they are only the after effect of a genuine energisation.

The Aether/Ether is  NO-where (in space),     Where, or GREEK TOPOS or "Khora" the "where" is as pertains TO space, AS posterior to any and all fields.

"look at the wide open spaces!!"  (said the goof standing IN A FIELD (Khora) ...)

Youre talking about the baby before the mother (fields).  ;D   There is no space without a field,   Space is POSTERIOR to any and all fields,   either in simplex, OR compounded.

There is no "Ether in space",   Space is POSTERIOR to ANY and ALL fields.    Dr. Oleg D. Jefimenko proves this (however he doesnt grasp the implications) in his books.

Why do you keep saying Space is posterior to any and all fields, when space is unconditional, is certainly not posterior to anything since everything needs space and otherwise how can ether be everywhere without having the space to be everywhere? The fields you are talking are furts in a windstorm compared to space and ether. They should not even be equated with the ether since ether is the prime.

The field you infer over the magnet is turning in a spin that is spinning air bubbles. Air bubble is not a field but a physical limitation that cannot be used as a sure fire method to establish what you are purporting, since without the upward momentum of bubble buoyancy, the experiment would not be possible and if you are purporting a vortex on top of the magnet you are right, but the energy is now coming from the bubble rise itself which is often in a spiral. Saturate a water volume with micro bubbles so these stay fixed in their buoyancy to stay put, remove all other objects then put your magnet inside at 1" or 2" above the base with one pole up and see if the bubbles start vortexing ON THEIR OWN.

For me, what does a magnet do? It sticks well to other magnets and metals and copper loves it for the electro therapy. hehehe You are giving this magnet super skills when all it wants to be is a simple magnet. This may blow your mind but for me, every magnet is a mini-planet with its own gravity. Put ferrofluid on it and the metal ions will arrange themselves in cones because of the fluid viscosity gives it a high liquid surface tension that can hold over small metal ion mounds to produce the points of the cones. The points of the cones you see are probably 90% fluid with only ultra small metal ions. It has nothing to do with field input/output over/under or beside. It's a planet but its not Planet Earth with a huge furnace roaring up our ass. It's a magnetic planet and not a real planet but it has its own gravity.

You see my friend, only too described forces cause attraction. Our present notions that we have endowed to magnets and gravity. But what if the magnet was also gravity in action. That would clarify so many misconceptions, even your own.

Put it this way. Let's say you had a one cubic yard of Solid Hardwood and a one cubic yard Neo Magnet and a one cubic yard of AAA Beef, all three well encased in a non conductive but very strong protective layer, flown out to space and shot out into space at let's say 1/50th the speed of light. In 10 years, which of the three will survive but more importantly grow in mass? That big fat neo will have how much  more magnetic appeal to swing around planets and attract other matter, more then the others? hahaha. You see your big fat 6" neo you purchased is actually a small polarized planet. You can add small metal shaped houses and anything you want and when you move the magnet, all of those objects will move with it, right side up, upside down all those objects will be like they are on their own planet. Only when you break their bond will they leave the planet otherwise they will be stuck on that planet forever. Hmmmmmmm. Sound familiar? As soon as you can do what a magnet does, you become a micro-planet. Like any planet, its maximum gravity pull really starts close to its surface. The value of the field outside that close quarters is peanuts compared to the real coupling potential close up.   
The magnet does not need to produce anything more then gravity and gravity should not be producing flying fields like you say and gravity will explain ever single effect we have ever seen done with a magnet plus it will explain why thus far we have not reached OU with our magnets.

The screen shots of magnetic fields is showing what? The patterns we see on the screen are not from the magnet. What is a screen? How does it work? What you are showing is the screens' inability to cope in maintaining its actual image when a strong magnetic force is placed smack dab next to the pixels, because the screen would require gyroscopic pixels to compensate for the warpage instead of regular pixels as we know them. The pixelated screen is just reacting from every angle of each pixel to produce the patterns. SO WHAT? Does not mean anything about the magnet itself is just a mass of gravity. It's the screen that can't handle it so it squeezes in them patterns. Again, big deal. Forget those screens man. Don't take them too seriously and I surely would not build a  theory of everything around them. hehehe

If you made a cubic screen and put a cubic magnet inside, all you would get is black. Other then that what you see on the screen is not what is emitted by the magnet in the patterns you state. How the hell do you expect an object like a magnet that was produced via grand randomness to then produce patterns that are totally symetrical, balanced, etc. The symmetry comes from the screen man and not from the magnet. The magnet only does one thing, attracts metalic or charged substances. That's it, that's all. So you have to be careful man, when you start one theory, then another, then another all based on what? Screens & bubbles. Wow, you will have to do much better then that. I think thus far, I am giving you more then you are giving me. I am sure those who read this will know what I am talking about. I have to say this magnet/gravity was just realized last night so this is fresh off the brainworks and I have you to thank for it because this one part of....... call it "Magnetry" was simmering in the back burner for months now.  This was the missing link to explain Spin Conveyance (look it up and you will find nothing - why?).

You said it yourself. Magnet comes from magic and your theory is imparting even more magic. You have managed to over complicate the magnet when the main reason for a theory is to remove the complications otherwise construed as reality. 

Ultimately, we will realize that magnetism does not exist and this will again simplify our view of the universe.


@TA, what I am getting from your writings is a patchwork of ideas with endless repetition, no cohesion, and lots more repetition but no real talking. Come down off your grand dissertations and talk normal for a week, then go back to your way if you want. Your book could be downloaded and read, but the main question is who will understand them? Look in the mirror cause you are the only one who does. No one here can even entertain 1/10 of all the crap you put out, but no, we are the problem. Quit sucking on your silver spoon and start a normal discourse, don't use any of your regular lines or words, find new ones, otherwise I see this type of logic will go nowhere. It is chock full of contradictions and will not hold against so many types of valid objections. 

I'll stop here for now.

@tinman

Please do not take my suggestions as any form of critique of your experiments. When a theory is based on an effect, without acknowledging all the other mitigating factors, it does not do the theory or anyone justice. Call it selective rationalization.

wattsup

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 21, 2014, 03:36:50 PM
@ wattsup Quote: Please do not take my suggestions as any form of critique of your experiments. When a theory is based on an effect, without acknowledging all the other mitigating factors, it does not do the theory or anyone justice. Call it selective rationalization.

Well you know me,i make statements regarding results from my own test. I also post those test by way of video,so as everyone else can see what im seeing. In saying this,it will be hard to show the vortex spin within a PM-if it is there. I know what all the books say,but there are also books that say there is a vortex spin with PM's. So the only way to know for sure,is to look for this spin,and find a good way to show it.

Im also having fun along the way lol.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on July 21, 2014, 03:42:51 PM
You catch who in what mistake?.



Well, TA of course...who wlse ?

He's is/was the only one (besides me) who hadn't made 1 or 3 in this thread.

*takes humble bow with toes pointed inward*

Regards...

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 21, 2014, 07:26:07 PM
Quote from Captain Zero:

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There are more than 2 paid  in operation on this thread

I am asking people reading this thread to denounce this type of behaviour.  It's unacceptable and smacks of the 1930s.  Shall people that argue the technical merits of a proposition wear a special symbol on our clothing?

Captain Zero knows zero about me in real life and he fails to look at propositions in an unbiased manner.  He often ignores the reprehensible forum behaviour of people putting forth dubious or outright ridiculous propositions if he (mistakenly) believes they have merit, even if they are jaw-droppingly ridiculous, and I am not being specific to this thread.  The reality is that sometimes propositions are put forth that someone with basic common sense and no technical skills and education would recognize as being false.

The fact that Captain Zero would even suspect that there are paid operatives here to rebut simplistic or ridiculous propositions that don't make any sense says much about Captain Zero and nothing about the person promoting the false proposition or the person rebutting the false proposition with logical arguments.

Again, I am asking people to publicly denounce this kind of behaviour.  It is simply unacceptable and he should not be allowed to get away with it.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: 93RDELEMENT on July 21, 2014, 07:39:17 PM
GRAVITYBLOCK YOU SIR ARE RIGHT ! NOW SPIN THE FOIL ! DIALETRIC INERTHIA WHAT A LOAD OF TRIPE ! ALL THE LOOK AT ME I AM SO GOOD AND THAN THE BLIND SPOT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA ..... IN MY BOOK NEITHER WILL SPIN IN A ZERO G ENVIRNMENT ...

You are all 50% RIGHT AND THE REST IS GOBBLDYGOUK NONSENSE ,,,,,, GO WRITE A BOOK ABOUT A BLIND MAN AND A PET MAGNET HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH  SO YOU THINK THE ANGLE OF SPINNING WATER GOING DOWN A HOLE IS DUE TO A DIALECTRIC HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA OK OOOOOOHHHHHH NOOOOOO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

SILLY MONKEY HAHAHAHAHAH NICE BOOK HAHAHAHAH BUT IT ANINT WORTH A PEANUT !!!!! You wrote a book on the whim and some out of date data and you wont the world to believe it yet you can not prove it as it is wrong . You cant even make an indirect experiment to give the stupid theory and gravity hahahahahah OH THE GRAVITY OF IT HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAH NO BECAUSE YOU DONT KNOW WHAT GRAVITY IS DO YOU ITS SPACE TIME CURITURE NOT A DIALETRIC YOU BUMBLLING MONKEY GO BACK TO THE STUPID SCHOOL AND CRY OUT THE WORDS YUMMYBUMBEERLYIMADEASILLYHUBBALYTUMBERLY HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA NOW YOU WANT TO REINVENT GRAVITY AS A DIALETRIC FORCE Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah !!!

So its me the one who can crush every rock you throw until you find its gravity .. WARNING TO ALL HUMANITY DONT LISTEN TO A DIALETRIC GRAVITY THEORY ITS NUTS ...... AND SO FAR WRONG THAT THE WORD WRONG IS THE WRONG WORD FOR IT ..

Now you guys stop the little boy games all the insults the twisting of science contrived twitter twatter bull .........................................

Do you want the proof here and now and stand totally ashamed embraced with only an ideology that is outside the excepted rules of physics and what about the man himself old albert the one who worked it all out .. Oh no you just want to take him on in the hope your have a brain better than him . Did old albert ever write in the manner that I have been reading when submitting he's work ? Is there one sentence written by the grate man that is vindictive to anyone that said he was wrong ???? NO ... I am saddened by this childish pathetic scuba bling bing bong .... I came here to read and write science ! So far all I can ready is stupidity wrapped up in attempt to make your egos enflamed by your so called intelligence !

Now list to me ! I have a device that measure's space time curvature and the so called diametric of the earth they have the same vector because the dielectric constant follows gravity ... But the dielectric field will never go down a plug hole or ever spin a magnet without gravity .... Take away gravity and you lose the dielectric effect .. !!!!! YOU SILLY MONKEYS !!!!

ME


   





 



     
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on July 21, 2014, 08:13:32 PM
I know nothing of this character in real life...just another desperate delusionary distortion put forward to try to salvage self destroyed credibility.

He/she/it/they have been outed by other members besides me for incessantly preventing the development of many ideas up for discussion, because it is well known that that is how other things are discovered.

This important dialogue process was proven out again yesterday in an experiment conducted by TinMan, in this thread, inspired by a very persistent Theo, who endured 9 yards of Sh!t flung in his path by the MH entity and his cohorts.

That never would have happened if he had given up in frustration, as so many before him had done.

Facts are facts.

Case proven and rested.


So much for his being "done" in this thread...his word is no good either.

Regards...
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 08:44:33 PM
Would be nice to have a better illustration of these centriptetal/centrifugal fields as applies to a ring magnet instead of a single solid bar magnet structure.




Modelling compounded magnets is:

A: a pain in the ass


B: its hard enough showing (not meaning you) weak minded ass-scratching monkeys how a NORMAL magnet works, ..........ergo no need (at this time) to complicate it for their squishy little brians
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 08:50:34 PM
This statement is correct as far as my test showed,which were done prior to the water test. Look at the picture below of a simple homopolar motor. We can place the conducting wire(the wire that touches the magnet) from the positive of the battery in/on the north end/south end,or center of the magnet,and it will spin in the same direction.Nothing speacial,i know-just saying. Of course i know that if we flip the magnet over,it will spin in the opposite direction,as it will if we swap the voltage polarity over.And if we do both at the same time,the spin direction wont change-all this i know Gravoc. Hope that clears that up.


Without going into great detail, your diagram (glad you posted it for others to see) shows on the simplex homopolar motor, the circuit  BETWEEN  the centripetal on a magnet AND the dielectric inertial plane (along the equator OF ANY AND ALL MAGNETS).

WHICH, in so doing, is "cutting" the flowing centrifugal magnetism (the 'sourced' [i explain this in detail in the book]) "genuine" magnetism)

 ;)




See pics below  RED is centripetal (CONvergent) returning magnetism)

green is the inertial plane of dielectricity

BLUE is the centrifugal magnetism
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 09:00:15 PM

You left out the part where you had to fight your way thru 9 yards of bullsh!t from naysayers, nitpickers, and shills (http://www.overunity.com/14167/thread-for-naysayers-nitpickers-and-shills/msg410658/#msg410658), some of which are chronicled in my old but still relevant thread dedicated their activities...


Too true,     ALAS,  unfortunate for "THEM",  as someone madly skilled at ancient Greek dialectic and the Greek platonic method of "seeing thru skepticism, fallacies and subversive bullshit"    they haven't seen the likes of me before.

If they want to tangle, Id rather just stick to the topic, ....but if they want, I will, figuratively,.........dance on their little pin heads, and piss on their guts.




 
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 09:07:13 PM
The thing with doing it in water,is that the current is going in every direction.


yes and no,  DUE to the magneto-dielectric 'electrical geometry' of the NEO,  the current is directed ('attracted at the points of') at >>> both ends centripetally and along the inertial plane<<<,  ....

........AT WHICH TIME you are getting CENTRIFUGAL divergent acceleration (resultantly however, of course, ....out of the ENTIRE magnet), but said divergent motion (and resultant movement) is driving the CW and CCW motion of the ENTIRE magnet.


But as per the attractive point (on the magneto-dielectric geometry of the magnet) OF THE ENTIRE COLLECTIVE charge in the water........directed to same, regardless of where (as seen in your VID) you place the cathode or anode

 ;)   :)  :)
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: 93RDELEMENT on July 21, 2014, 09:08:58 PM
At last some fresh air all that EGO and a daft empty attempt to re-write the law of truth the TERM DIALETRIC INERTSHIA IS NOW A DODO HAHAHA !!! But the term space time curvature is what give directional force to the effect and that is gravity !! Try this trick with the magnet in a zero g environment like space and it can not work no gravity no spin on the magnet . But this is not about a magnet its about a magnetic vortex and I must say that is interesting and the more I think about it the more interesting it gets .

One experiments I made a few years ago was a simple study with small 3 inch ferrite magnets 12 in a ring 5 stacked up at each point with a single magnet and a counter weight spinning ! The gap between each stack started at 5 inches after each try I positioned the stacks closer until on the 5th try they were all touching . There is and opposing forces between each stack so I had to tape them closer each try .. When I got to the 5th turn and the stacks were all touching something strange happened and I wrote it down as a field burst where a release of flux spread all over the room and the magnets lost the ability to attract the armature . I had to take each stack and isolate them for 4 hours for the field to return to normal .   

After that I started to work with opposing and iron that had a 2.2 degree curvature and to my surprise a field bubble was created over the iron which grew slowly. When stopped I taped strongly with a small hammer and the bubble burst but would not re-grow in the same spot on the ground where the experiment had taken place ..   I had to move the experiment 4 meters away before the bubble grew again !

I monitored the position of each experiment and noticed that a full cycle of the moon had to pass before a bubble could be set up in the same spot .. The term magnetic vortex may have some truth to it but not while the magnet is still in the same position so in simple terms you make the vortex and than you have to move away the apparatus leavening behind an invisible vortex ! This system is also a very good way to measure gravity and is obvious as in every position to ground you make the experiment the size and strength of the bubble is different ..

Sorry if my English gram her is not in the American style or if my writing is simply simple its just that my observations of the universe are relatively simple ! I never paint with words and only build with mathematics ! The follow on from this work was to build a device to confirm the dielectric constant and its relationship with gravity to that I mastered many things including particle physics . I now build zero point generators for private clients and continue to study the elusive graviton . The main problem with all things zero point or over unity is that the physics is not academic its science for anyone with an interest in such things and the out of date world of academics is falling behind very fast. Knowledge is fact over fiction nothing else its not a personal encounter or should it ever be and those that cloud it with there ability to blind themselves with deluded words and half measured effects should let go and build a house to see what it would look like if they don't use a door to enter it . The truth is inside that is where the home of truth lives not on the roof or in a flower basket hanging pretty on the out side so please keep the facts flowing into the house of truth and through the door of reality and knowledge.

Now that is enough of poetry ! which one of you will confirm with me a real magnetic vortex ????? or are you all just pretending to experiment ???


ME





     



 


 



Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 09:17:41 PM
What the hell, are you guys sleep-posting again. hahaha So much intensity and not one piece of toast was added on the table.
wattsup: """""But then I read "there is no Ether in space, only space within the Ether", just cannot figure that one out.""""""

Neither can most people.

What you are stating here is an oxymoron. So if ether is everywhere, how is it not in space. May as well say there is no juice in an orange, only orange in the juice. Helloooooooooooo. Anyone home. May as well try 1 + 2 does not = 3, but 3 = 2 + 1. What part of the brain is this type of logic supposed to reside?




Its only oxymoronic in your own mind, which is no fault of mine.      Great detail of this is made in the 3rd edition, just as I had planned to do.


Yes, there are NO "fields in space",  only space as a posterior attribute.


You, like MOST people, have reified the attribute as the medium (as Einstein and other did)

or rather reified the resultant as the causative.


There is ALSO a "big goddamn reason"  that the number  4 (Xaos / space) doesnt exist in the golden section     1 1 2 3 5 8 13........   (Oh hell, where is 4????)


Dr. Oleg D. Jefimenkos own formulas PROVE beyond ANY SHADOW of a doubt that space is unreal, AND posterior to fields.


Tesla said the SAME GODDAMN THING...........  Space 'as something'  that 'does things' or  'acts upon things'  is pure 100% REIFIED Horse plop.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 09:28:56 PM
At last some fresh air all that EGO and a daft empty attempt to re-write the law of truth the TERM DIALETRIC INERTSHIA IS NOW A DODO HAHAHA !!! But the term space time curvature is what give directional force to the effect and that is gravity !!


You are confusing 2 WHOLLY diff terms dielectric and  dialectic  !!!!!  ROFL

There is NO "space time curvature"     these are FIELD pressure curvatures       ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   


You are, as most are, reifying the POSTERIOR ATTRIBUTE of fields,  that being space  AS the Principle.......its NOT.     Tesla and Heaviside  BOTH SAID THIS


See appendix A, vol 1 of Heaviside  "ELECTROMAGNETIC THEORY"   its at the END of Vol 1.


Dielectricity terminates INTO/AS mass creation in galactic and stellar formation JUST as electricity terminates into magnetism.    So, wrong again.








There is and opposing forces between each stack so I had to tape them closer each try .. When I got to the 5th turn and the stacks were all touching something strange happened and I wrote it down as a field burst where a release of flux spread all over the room and the magnets lost the ability to attract the armature . I had to take each stack and isolate them for 4 hours for the field to return to normal .   

Great, you discovered the dielectric inertial plane.   Hurray.   




I monitored the position of each experiment and noticed that a full cycle of the moon had to pass before a bubble could be set up in the same spot .


Yes, thats because dielectricity and gravity are linked in ways I WILL NOT EXPLAIN HERE

But they are linked in the same fashion as Electricity is to magnetism.     Congrats on finding that out   (so did I , a looong time ago)





Now that is enough of poetry ! which one of you will confirm with me a real magnetic vortex ????? or are you all just pretending to experiment ???.


I AM and HAVE BEEN experimenting my ass off. 

     



 
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Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 09:35:13 PM
DIALETRIC INERTIA WHAT A LOAD OF TRIPE
     



Tell that to Tesla, Steinmetz, Heaviside, JC Maxwell 
     ALL of which refer to >>>>>>>dielectric inertia  <<<<<<<


EVEN IN many modern electrical engineering texts, dielectricity is called  "ELECTRICAL INERTIA"



You're refuted, little boy.  ;D  ;D


Proving 100%   , you know JACK,  have READ JACK, and are full of it.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 09:39:36 PM
Try this trick with the magnet in a zero g environment like space and it can not work no gravity no spin on the magnet


Let me correct your insane stupidity here   .    NO HUMAN EVER has been in a  "Zero G" environment.



You are confusing EXTREMELY VELOCITY in a  ZERO-DRAG low earth orbit (= PLENTY OF GRAVITY)  with     "Zero gravity"


The "former" space shuttle didn't "rocket back to earth" fool, .... it decelerates from nozzles which places it on a return trajectory to earth.


Im even pretty fucking sure there is gravity even AT THE POINT of Pluto...........     yeah, thats the case.


drats, foiled again!!!   ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: picowatt on July 21, 2014, 09:46:21 PM


Modelling compounded magnets is:

A: a pain in the ass


B: its hard enough showing (not meaning you) weak minded ass-scratching monkeys how a NORMAL magnet works, ..........ergo no need (at this time) to complicate it for their squishy little brians

Wow TA, do you see anything in your response that would be construed by most as arrogance and condescension?

Personally, I find some of what you have to say intriguing (as I do most non-conventional theories), but I have yet to see or read anything that I would consider as "Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex".  To the contrary, most of the "proofs" you have presented can have alternate and quite conventional explanations.  The "proof" would be in ruling out these alternate more conventional explanations through additional experiments devised specifically for that purpose (null experiments).

All seasoned experimentalists learn that when an experiment provides a non-conventional result, or produces a result in apparent agreement with a non-conventional hypothesis, the real work has only just begun.  It is the multitude of experiments that follow, devised to disprove that positive result, that bring one much closer to the truth.  All too often we see individuals way too eager to accept the first positive experimental result as proof of something, without the required due diligence performed by those experimentalists to prove themselves wrong.

I am, however, intrigued by the results observed in Tinman's spinning/non-spinning bubbles experiment using a PM and EM.  So much so that I have already considered a dozen or so null experiments that may or may not provide further support for the proposed magnetic vortex theory.  If this were a more rational thread with cooler heads, discussing those experiments might actually be a pleasant and productive expenditure of time.

However, when individuals guard their belief systems with the fervor of religious fanaticism and cast aside more conventional technical and scientific responses with, or in concert with, condescension, arrogance, demeaning tones and accusations of being a shill, further discussion can only be an unpleasant and non-productive waste of time.

There really is no need for it.  A sound theory should be able to stand on its own without all the emotional tripe.   

As my schedule allows, I hope to perform additional experiments I have considered regarding Tinman's spinning bubbles.

PW
     

 
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 21, 2014, 10:36:19 PM
Wow TA, do you see anything in your response that would be construed by most as arrogance and condescension?


If you dont like my personality, fine, dont really care.     This isnt a HOOKER trying to win a "pretty contest"    OK?

, but I have yet to see or read anything that I would consider as "Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex".  To the contrary, most of the "proofs" you have presented can have alternate and quite conventional explanations.  The "proof" would be in ruling out these alternate more conventional explanations through additional experiments devised specifically for that purpose (null experiments).


Good, Im glad you are blind, HOWEVER I have 9 diff. testing methods to write and make videos on.   Dont give a damn what you believe. 


All seasoned experimentalists learn that when an experiment provides a non-conventional result.


Nice classical Greek skepticism,  now go PISS OFF and experiment yourself son.      "non conventional" my goddamn ass.

I experiment, examine, use logic and retroduction...... Pedal your Greek Skepticism DOWN THE ROAD

Many people for long time have observed vortex divergent and convergent patterns.


As my schedule allows, I hope to perform additional experiments I have considered regarding Tinman's spinning bubbles.


GOOD, go experiment,  and stop flapping your lips.......Im in the middle of more experiments myself.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: ramset on July 21, 2014, 10:47:19 PM
Perhaps a more respectful setting


http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2560.msg40484#msg40484 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2560.msg40484#msg40484)

At the very least I will keep track of relevant work as well as some fresh ideas that Grum wants to play with [mercury and gravity]


thx
Chet

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 21, 2014, 11:18:16 PM
Quote from Captain Zero:

I am asking people reading this thread to denounce this type of behaviour.  It's unacceptable and smacks of the 1930s.  Shall people that argue the technical merits of a proposition wear a special symbol on our clothing?

Captain Zero knows zero about me in real life and he fails to look at propositions in an unbiased manner.  He often ignores the reprehensible forum behaviour of people putting forth dubious or outright ridiculous propositions if he (mistakenly) believes they have merit, even if they are jaw-droppingly ridiculous, and I am not being specific to this thread.  The reality is that sometimes propositions are put forth that someone with basic common sense and no technical skills and education would recognize as being false.

The fact that Captain Zero would even suspect that there are paid operatives here to rebut simplistic or ridiculous propositions that don't make any sense says much about Captain Zero and nothing about the person promoting the false proposition or the person rebutting the false proposition with logical arguments.

Again, I am asking people to publicly denounce this kind of behaviour.  It is simply unacceptable and he should not be allowed to get away with it.

MileHigh
I would have to second this. Just because some one dosnt agree with the posted theories and thought's of other's,in no way means that there some sort of paid operative.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 21, 2014, 11:29:56 PM
Perhaps a more respectful setting


http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2560.msg40484#msg40484 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2560.msg40484#msg40484)

At the very least I will keep track of relevant work as well as some fresh ideas that Grum wants to play with [mercury and gravity]


thx
Chet
My very first words on this thread were Quote: This thread should be a HOOT to follow.
And a hoot it has been lol. Lots more to come i suspect  8)
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: 93RDELEMENT on July 22, 2014, 12:01:34 AM
GOOD LUCK TO ALL WITH MAGNETIC VORTEXING HAHA TRY AND CALM DOWN AND YOU MIGHT GET WHAT YOUR LOOKING FOR . But what purpose would it have ? mmmmmm A worm hole hahahahah the interesting thing is a magnetic field for a ferrite magnet is different than a neo magnet as its field is lose . If you place two opposing ferrite magnets together and tape them tight in 21 days 50% of the field is lost and must go somewhere ? It could merge with the earths magnetic field or ???? This to me is one way to isolate a field of flux away from a magnet and also ghosts are said to produce magnetic like vortexes it would be fun to trap one of them in some water and spin them to see what happens hahahahah Or you could try and make a vortex with the earths magnet field let it grow connect it to the ionosphere and ???? mmmm no I cant say what that would do ... Looks like the ghost idea is the best one and I really mean it ... haha boooo hahaha lol xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx       
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 22, 2014, 12:34:57 AM
GOOD LUCK TO ALL WITH MAGNETIC VORTEXING HAHA TRY AND CALM DOWN AND YOU MIGHT GET WHAT YOUR LOOKING FOR . But what purpose would it have ? mmmmmm A worm hole hahahahah the interesting thing is a magnetic field for a ferrite magnet is different than a neo magnet as its field is lose . If you place two opposing ferrite magnets together and tape them tight in 21 days 50% of the field is lost and must go somewhere ? It could merge with the earths magnetic field or ???? This to me is one way to isolate a field of flux away from a magnet and also ghosts are said to produce magnetic like vortexes it would be fun to trap one of them in some water and spin them to see what happens hahahahah Or you could try and make a vortex with the earths magnet field let it grow connect it to the ionosphere and ???? mmmm no I cant say what that would do ... Looks like the ghost idea is the best one and I really mean it ... haha boooo hahaha lol xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx     
It would seem you are here to do nothing more than disrupt the thread with childish rubbish. Others may argue over what they see as being correct,but you just post rubbish :D
try EF-there always chasing ghost. Hell-you may even be able to write a book,and make some cash over there.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: 93RDELEMENT on July 22, 2014, 01:17:12 AM
Tin man I am glad I got your attention sorry about the child in me but I was not joking about magnetic vortex with a ghost field in fact all orbs are reported to spin with magnetic flux faster than the speed of light and to that it is very interesting ! You have to look at every angle to find a way forward and I did not direct my post at anyone .

If such a vortex could be man made as a spinning MF at the speed of light it would change the face of humanity over night ! SO A BIT OF HUMA IS NEEDED ! or its just a hell raiser all the way ! The information I have on it is worthy to consider but a permanent magnet is not going to do the trick . In fact since my last post I built a small field coil that would spin a magnetic field without the coil moving . Now that is worth a lot of money but since you are the inspiration for it I will let you chose what to do with it ? If that did include making some money out of it than don't forget me hahah .....

I fully respect what you have brought forward at least its not the same old tech you keep reading about but the last set of arguments here on the so called dielectric inertia effect were very heavy and beyond school boy mentality I found it disturbing ... So please except my apologies and my hat is off to you sir ! SO WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO WITH THE SAID MAGIC COIL ????? LOL XX 


 
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 22, 2014, 01:24:53 AM
PicoWatt, Tinman, and Ramset:

Thanks for your support.  I am not here to talk tech on this borderline-insane thread, just to thank you and add a comment.

When Captain Zero accuses me of being a "paid operative" I will remind him that he has AIDS.  That's Advanced Intelligence Deficiency Syndrome.  That would seem to be an appropriate thing to do for someone that is like Charlie Brown about to kick the proverbial football one more time.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 01:44:37 AM
. If you place two opposing ferrite magnets together and tape them tight in 21 days 50% of the field is lost and must go somewhere ?


It isnt LOST, the incommensurate magneto-dielectric geometry is DESTROYED


Same way (MUCH HARDER) to destroy ANY NEO magnet, son,   extreme heat, breaking etc etc.



GOOD LOGICAL QUESTION.......Ferrites ARE the weak trash magnets.   The hexagonal Neo Fe Boron however in their lattice structure hold the dielectric charge BETTER and STRONGER (obviously).

Ferrites taped together WILL 'self destruct their magneto-dielectric geometry


Using my GIANT 6" by 2"  NEO, I can (see my videos) REVERSE the polarity on ANY CHEAPO FERRITE in exactly 3 seconds!!!!!!


Want another video of this???? ILL MAKE ONE TONIGHT!!!

The video will be very obvious with markings, and you will see it for yourself


Ill make that video and post it in a bit ,  hour or so.......... ;)  ;)  ;)
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 01:48:17 AM
arguments here on the so called dielectric inertia effect were very heavy and beyond school boy mentality I found it disturbing


I can prove the dielectric inertial plane at LEAST 20 diff ways, with 15 diff testing media.    So, you are, alas FULL OF SHIT on that point.

However, SEE ABOVE POST, I will post a video proving that point here in a couple hours.


Tesla, Heaviside, Steinmetz, JC Maxwell  ALL KNEW and referred to dielectricity in this manner,   AND Heaviside ( you smarter than him boy? are you ??) called dielectricity "electrical inertia"


TODAY electrical engineering texts ALSO (some do) call dielectricity  "electrical inertia"


So, shove that up your ass sideways,  ok?
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Dave45 on July 22, 2014, 01:50:57 AM
It would seem the magnetic vortex is following the right hand rule, if your thumb is pointing in the north direction the field is running in the direction of your fingers.

As far as the north being ccw and south being cw that is just the observers perspective.

Spin a wheel ccw look at it from the top then the bottom you will notice from the top the wheel spins ccw but from the bottom cw, like I said its just perspective the fields direction hasnt changed.

Magnets causing spin is not anything new, magnetron's use this phenomenon to spin electrons given of by heated thorium in the resonant chamber.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 01:53:15 AM
It would seem the magnetic vortex is following the right hand rule, if your thumb is pointing in the north direction the field is running in the direction of your fingers.

As far as the north being ccw and south being cw that is just the observers perspective.


Nope, read the book,  EACH "side" has 2 diff. Vortex,   centripetal, and centrifugal.


also see video on same here, (at the last half of the video)>>>>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxmP6VYCCbs



Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: 93RDELEMENT on July 22, 2014, 02:15:15 AM
OH DEAR YOU GUYS HAVE LOST THE POINT AND STILL REVERT TO THE DAM DIAELECTRIC EFFECT ! Than the abuse hahahah stop it now ! The term vortex is what interests me not the dielectric effect and sorry but all you have read on the subject is bubble and squeak rubbish .... Anyway stick to the point a magnetic vortex one that spins independently from a magnet ... And that is very special indeed so much so I decided to make it happen ! I will call it the ghost bubble because the only magnetic vortex ever recorded as an independent field is an orb and yes a ghost orb ... So this will go into the paranormal realm of an un mapped effect in physics . So please throw away your tex books and all the dielectric theories . SO now than hahahah lets see what your really made off  ? Probably tex book bubble gum and do noughts ...

I have my method and am willing to share it but tin man has the last word its hes inspiration but I warn you if the vortex or ghost bubble is made than the art of how to send mass into another dimension would be achieved . But not with insults and as I have stated the dielectric effect could not spin a magnet in space where there is very little gravity so to prove that the dam magnet needs to go into space and I would be proved right ....  hahahahahah you bunch of monkeys hahahahhahaha lol xxx

ME 
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 02:53:50 AM
OH DEAR YOU GUYS HAVE LOST THE POINT AND STILL REVERT TO THE DAM DIAELECTRIC EFFECT ! Than the abuse hahahah stop it now ! The term vortex is what interests me not the dielectric effect


Too BAD,   You are saying:      "I am only interested in ICE (vortex magnetism), not water (dielectricity) "    ROFL !!!!!!     ;D  ;D  ;D     pathetic


Dielectric (you spelled it wrong, dufus) is what is 'driving' the magnetism  BOY  .   magnetism NOWHERE exists ON ITS OWN


RIGHT NOW, I just made a VIDEO FOR YOU, UPLOADING IT NOW.
.


Here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm_PSYIeLKs

I reverse the polarity on a SPHERE magnet 1" (big one)  over and over and over again.


Even has some humorous bits in it, but very informative.    I made it JUST FOR YOU son   ;D
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 02:59:24 AM
I JUST GOT THIS PRIVATE MESSAGE FROM 93RD

I AM MUCH SMARTER THAN ALL OF THEM (tesla, steinmetz, heaviside)  PUT TOGETHER ! This is the year 2014 not 1896 ! It is time for you to let go of the old school and not all theories can be proved or disproved but truth is forever expending they said you could never go beyond the speed of light and now there wrong they should of studied the people that time travel in there dreams .



Tell me folks,   anyone here DUMB enough to claim you yourself are  "SMARTER than the guys who invented the entire modern worlds system of AC electricity (which you are using right now) and electrical theory "

.......as 93RD did above in a private PM?     Children,  children.......   ;D  ;D

((((waiting to see 93RD patents))))      No?  Yeah, talk is cheaper than dog poo.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: john_doe on July 22, 2014, 03:47:00 AM
Tin man I am glad I got your attention sorry about the child in me but I was not joking about magnetic vortex with a ghost field in fact all orbs are reported to spin with magnetic flux faster than the speed of light and to that it is very interesting ! You have to look at every angle to find a way forward and I did not direct my post at anyone .

If such a vortex could be man made as a spinning MF at the speed of light it would change the face of humanity over night ! SO A BIT OF HUMA IS NEEDED ! or its just a hell raiser all the way ! The information I have on it is worthy to consider but a permanent magnet is not going to do the trick . In fact since my last post I built a small field coil that would spin a magnetic field without the coil moving . Now that is worth a lot of money but since you are the inspiration for it I will let you chose what to do with it ? If that did include making some money out of it than don't forget me hahah .....

I fully respect what you have brought forward at least its not the same old tech you keep reading about but the last set of arguments here on the so called dielectric inertia effect were very heavy and beyond school boy mentality I found it disturbing ... So please except my apologies and my hat is off to you sir ! SO WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO WITH THE SAID MAGIC COIL ????? LOL XX

It has already been proven with peer reviewed experiments that a spinning magnetic vortices do actually travel faster than light. This is common knowledge for anyone actually studying physics and has been proven many times in math.

I've already posted on here the confirmed speed was 64c. 64x the speed of light.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 03:51:02 AM
It has already been proven with peer reviewed experiments that a spinning magnetic vortices do actually travel faster than light.


True, OF which the math (from Tesla and Dr. Oleg D. Jefimenko) is further compounded proof as per my premise that there is no such thing as " a field IN space"

rather space as a posterior attribute OF fields.

IAAD (instant action at a distance) , which is WELL confirmed, but not grasped by the Cult of Quantum is that fields are always acting instantly or near instantly (in interection and interplay)   far far far faster than light.


See this video on same, its both dead SERIOUS and HILARIOUS !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbdtTwBVgZw
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on July 22, 2014, 04:06:09 AM
I would have to second this. Just because some one dosnt agree with the posted theories and thought's of other's,in no way means that there some sort of paid operative.



TinMan you may be smart in some way but very gullible in others...you have just been taken by that intellectual parasite.

Now you must ask yourself why I didn't jump all over GB also ?

The reason is because he was merely disagreeing with a guy who can hold his own.

Not so for MH's victims...they just disappear before the dialogue can get started.

This of course prevents the possibility of something else of significance being discovered...in much the same way your discovery  happened...which would never have happened is Theo wasn't tough as nails, and left the forum disgusted.

That is why I continually harp on just leaving people be...you never know what could develop.

And that is why it is wise to never pass up the opportunity to shut up.

Regards...
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 04:26:16 AM
Regards...



"Discover, invent, experiment, learn, study, understand, show,........everyone else NOT doing that can shut up or get the hell out of the way of those that DO" -  (my own quote)  ;)
 



The downside of GENUINE discovery (sometimes) is getting RESULTS, but screwing up the conclusions of the observations of the results.

(proving even a broken clock is accurate 2 times a day)  ;D  ;D



As did the mental midget Einstein who ...
A:  Reified space as something that "did things", and worse, got most other people to BELIEVE in that bullshit..............and  :
B: got an award for getting results from his "photoelectric effect" but totally 100% screwing up the CONCLUSIONS of that observation (demented worm that he was).

But, of course, Einstein was a demented pseudo-intellectual bastard


“I hold that space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can have no properties.” - N. Tesla


"Too bad, Sir Isaac, they dimmed your renown and turned your great science upside down. Now a long haired crank, Einstein by
name, puts on your high teaching all the blame. (he) Says: matter and force are transmutable and wrong the laws you thought
immutable. I am much too ignorant, my son, for grasping (crazy) schemes so finely spun.” - N. Tesla (Fragments of Olympian
Gossip. by Nikola Tesla regarding Einstein)

Tesla said of theory of relativity: "a mass of error and deceptive ideas violently opposed to the teachings of great men of science of
the past and even to common sense." - N. Tesla




Someone asked Einstein "what is it like to be such a genius?"....     He said  "I dunno, you'll have to ask Tesla"    ;D

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: john_doe on July 22, 2014, 04:36:20 AM

True, OF which the math (from Tesla and Dr. Oleg D. Jefimenko) is further compounded proof as per my premise that there is no such thing as " a field IN space"

rather space as a posterior attribute OF fields.

IAAD (instant action at a distance) , which is WELL confirmed, but not grasped by the Cult of Quantum is that fields are always acting instantly or near instantly (in interection and interplay)   far far far faster than light.


See this video on same, its both dead SERIOUS and HILARIOUS !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbdtTwBVgZw

QFT! That video was awesome.
I think perhaps we should all watch it and understand the point of view of the person that's trying hard to make a contribution to further humanity in a positive manner. This extends to all even those on this forum.
I came to similar conclusions to Theo and have already begun building devices suitable to the forum's interests based on the information. Taking a longer viewpoint, the Halbach Array would never have been invented had Klaus Halbach not had similar ideas.
Personal attacks on an internet persona should be taken with the grain of salt thrown over the shoulder.

We all know there are more crazy things going on in this terrible situation WE let happen through lazy politics.

You don't know if I'm an "agent" I don't know if you're an "agent" looking to pervert the course of discovery. So lets stop bickering and let experiments / discussions rule the "Matrix". 
"If you want to change, act like you're the person you want to be and you'll already have changed"
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 04:48:21 AM

Personal attacks on an internet persona should be taken with the grain of salt thrown over the shoulder.

We all know there are more crazy things going on in this terrible situation WE let happen through lazy politics.


True , smack talk and BS on the www is just that, and it doesnt mean a damn thing.    Im sitting on 5 hardcore potential patents right now.   My associate has been giving me a brain tumor from phone time.   ;D  ;D

I just got done resetting 3 experiments that are time involved in the past few mins.

One experiment and potential patent is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen in my life. (yeah, Im biased, but it really is "all that")  There are those "Ahhh, what a perfect 'says it ALL about nature'....."  pictures which we have all seen.

Well, Ive got one to top them all, but because of the implications, I cant show it to anyone. (yet)    But I will

I just made up 4  11x17 PRINTS of it today, gave one to the folks, explained it,  and one to my associate.   and one is on MY wall.

Im dying to release a picture of this experiments results, everyone who is a science/ fields/ electricity/ nature/ geometry  "nerd" would want a print of it.... , it just stunning.  Had NO IDEA I would get these results, ......have done the experiment 10 times already in 'different ways'   SAME results.

First thing my associate said was "Forgetting the *#@&^@  PATENT, you will sell a million copies of this as a PRINT/POSTER for people to hang on their wall"   ;D  ;D

Im a crusty SOB (very crusty),  but the picture of this experiment and (high potential patent) just melts my heart, seriously.



Dr. Oleg Jefimenkos work

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: ramset on July 22, 2014, 05:18:39 AM
Ken
Your a regular Patentologist,we perform patentectomys here on a regular basis
it can be like an exorcism to the more seriously afflicted.


Stay away from the dark side ,, the EVIL side....


 in some cases getting a patent can be just like handing a man a stick to beat you with.


Chet
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 05:33:04 AM
in some cases getting a patent can be just like handing a man a stick to beat you with.
Chet



Its more like overpaying lawyers to violently R-A-P-E you.

And once theyre done, to squeeze you for more $$$ and beg for seconds.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: ramset on July 22, 2014, 05:39:42 AM
Ken
How many Patents has Eric filed on his work?
Thx
Chet
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 05:49:57 AM
This statement is correct as far as my test showed,which were done prior to the water test. Look at the picture below of a simple homopolar motor. We can place the conducting wire(the wire that touches the magnet) from the positive of the battery in/on the north end/south end,or center of the magnet,and it will spin in the same direction.Nothing speacial,i know-just saying. Of course i know that if we flip the magnet over,it will spin in the opposite direction,as it will if we swap the voltage polarity over.And if we do both at the same time,the spin direction wont change-all this i know Gravoc. Hope that clears that up.

Tinman,

Regarding your "bubble vortex" video and experiments:

It may be informative to repeat your test using a neo wrapped in electrical tape.  Simply wrap the tape around the magnet leaving only the very poles exposed (i.e., insulate the sides from the electrolyte).  See if you still have a bubble vortex under similar conditions to your previous test.

You could first verify that you can generate the vortex with the magnet prior to applying the tape, and then apply the tape to that same magnet and note any observed differences. 

I know your time is valuable, so consider this just a suggestion,

Thanks,
PW
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 05:58:16 AM
Ken
How many Patents has Eric filed on his work?
Thx
Chet


I dunno, I talked to him on Saturday driving to best buy, I ended talking to him for almost hour and a half

He sounded a bit down, I gave him some good news, I told him his pic was on the back cover of my book and I had sent him all the "thanks" money I got (wasn't much) for the book.


I told him, well, the book is free, but whatever I get from it, I sent it to him, and will do so.    Also any greater exposure his works get is GREAT

He was asking me about typing up (maybe) the Greek portions of his new book or wanted them to look like Steinmetz's work, and his latest work is full of equations.


He was a hoot to talk with.  It was fun all round' on that call  ;D


He said he was hungry and time to eat and that was it.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 22, 2014, 06:42:00 AM
Regarding dual homopolar counter-rotating plates.  He has to have the current going opposite directions.  If you put another magnet aligned the same direction near the bottom, the field would still be the same direction as the top.... he has to have the current running something like....

Yes, this appears to be correct.  My sincerest apologies TinMan!

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 22, 2014, 07:31:13 AM
Tinman,

Regarding your "bubble vortex" video and experiments:

It may be informative to repeat your test using a neo wrapped in electrical tape.  Simply wrap the tape around the magnet leaving only the very poles exposed (i.e., insulate the sides from the electrolyte).  See if you still have a bubble vortex under similar conditions to your previous test.

You could first verify that you can generate the vortex with the magnet prior to applying the tape, and then apply the tape to that same magnet and note any observed differences. 

I know your time is valuable, so consider this just a suggestion,

Thanks,
PW

Yes, either what you proposed above for the PM or wrapping the EM in aluminium foil.  This needs to be ruled out.  In a HPM, the torque is not on the magnet itself and the magnet will only rotate if it's attached/glued to the copper disc.  Hopefully I can get my magnets back from my ex g/f and do some experiments myself, lol.  This is not the first time she has held my magnets hostage, lol!

If there is a vortex in a PM and not in an EM, then this can lead to some very interesting experiments in a HPM / HPG!

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 22, 2014, 07:34:33 AM
Tinman,

Regarding your "bubble vortex" video and experiments:

It may be informative to repeat your test using a neo wrapped in electrical tape.  Simply wrap the tape around the magnet leaving only the very poles exposed (i.e., insulate the sides from the electrolyte).  See if you still have a bubble vortex under similar conditions to your previous test.

You could first verify that you can generate the vortex with the magnet prior to applying the tape, and then apply the tape to that same magnet and note any observed differences. 

I know your time is valuable, so consider this just a suggestion,

Thanks,
PW
test done,and video uploading to youtube now. But before i post it PW,what do you think the outcome may be?.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 22, 2014, 07:42:05 AM
What i need is a big 2 or 3 inch neo to do these test with-that would look awsome. But as per usual,i cant get one that size here in OZ-all out of stock apparently lol.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 07:47:54 AM
test done,and video uploading to youtube now. But before i post it PW,what do you think the outcome may be?.

Tinman,

I am speculating that you will find that the torque that spins your neo in the liquid homopolar motor video is also present in the bubble vortex video.  But, in the bubble vortex video, because the neo is stationary, the torque instead imparts a spin to the electrolyte, producing the observed vortex (A colored marker taped to a dowel and slowly dipped into your tank to approach the neo should allow you to see any spin imparted to the electrolyte).

Also, because the electromagnet has limited current flow through the electrolyte perpendicular to its magnetic axis, little torque is generated with which to stir the electrolyte, hence no vortex.

If this is correct, taping the sides of the neo should reduce the current flow perpendicular to the neo's magnetic axis, reducing or eliminating the torque/electrolyte spin and vortex.

Thanks for taking the time,

PW
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 22, 2014, 08:15:42 AM
Tinman,

I am speculating that you will find that the torque that spins your neo in the liquid homopolar motor video is also present in the bubble vortex video.  But, in the bubble vortex video, because the neo is stationary, the torque instead imparts a spin to the electrolyte, producing the observed vortex (A colored marker taped to a dowel and slowly dipped into your tank to approach the neo should allow you to see any spin imparted to the electrolyte).

Also, because the electromagnet has limited current flow through the electrolyte perpendicular to its magnetic axis, little torque is generated with which to stir the electrolyte, hence no vortex.

If this is correct, taping the sides of the neo should reduce the current flow perpendicular to the neo's magnetic axis, reducing or eliminating the torque/electrolyte spin and vortex.

Thanks for taking the time,

PW

This is also what I think.

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 08:25:53 AM
What i need is a big 2 or 3 inch neo to do these test with-that would look awsome. But as per usual,i cant get one that size here in OZ-all out of stock apparently lol.



How about a 6 inch by 2 inch  NEO????          Every soooooooooo slightly dangerous  ;D
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 08:34:05 AM
  But, in the bubble vortex video, because the neo is stationary, the torque instead imparts a spin to the electrolyte, producing the observed vortex (A colored marker taped to a dowel and slowly dipped into your tank to approach the neo should allow you to see any spin imparted to the electrolyte).

Too that would never explain no charge used in nanoparticle suspensions


OR.....
powdered bismuth

nano-film ferrofluid (SEE PIC BELOW)

nor pyrolytic graphite

nor.............

nor..................(my best invention in the past 6 months that I will reveal in the 3rd edition, hopefully, depending on patent seeking potential)


If this is correct, taping the sides of the neo should reduce the current flow perpendicular to the neo's magnetic axis, reducing or eliminating the torque/electrolyte spin and vortex.
PW


Nope, You LIKE MOST PEOPLE keep forgetting (dont know really) that each "SIDE" of every magnet (neo or not) has a CENTRIFUGAL and a CENTRIPETAL vortex (convergent) which = CHARGE VECTOR



You also forget or dont know that magnets (so-called, since they're NOT dominantly magnetic, not ONE BIT, rather dielectric) are CREATED by discharging capacitor banks THRU THE "POLES"
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 22, 2014, 08:39:35 AM
PW:

I haven't looked at the new clip but I am really feeling what you are saying, it sounds perfect.  When only the tips of the magnet can conduct current into the water, you can visualize the current "blooming" out of each end of the magnet and the "blooming" will be in a very similar direction to the magnetic field.  Hence the magnitude of the cross-product between the current flow and the magnetic field is very low and hence you don't get much of a torque imparted at all on the electrolyte "spaghetti strands."  You are awesome!

Brad, I have to scold you.  For starters, I made a posting that stated that three conditions had to be met for the vortex in the water to get created.  Look at my three conditions and relate that to what PW says and what I say in the above paragraph.  The reason to "scold" you is that you did the experiment and your conclusion was that an electromagnet produces a "different" magnetic field than a magnet.  Yet over the past few years you have looked at countless diagrams of magnets and electromagnets where you see essentially an identical magnetic field pattern produced by both things.  You probably have taken a compass and moved it around a magnet and an electromagnet and observed the same magnetic field pattern.  So how could you even say what you were saying?  It's almost like a couple of years ago when you were a beginner taking your first baby steps and every second or third clip you made you might say that you were demonstrating "something new that that science and engineering does not understand."  Respect.

I stated in an earlier posting that with your experiment you only made an observation and you did not arrive at a conclusion.  Likewise, I think one of Theoria's pitches is that a magnet and an electromagnet are very much different, the "magnetic fields are different because the sources are different" (or something like that) and that is not true.  Both an electromagnet and a magnet make use of exactly the same fundamental mechanism to generate the magnetic field.

In a similar vein, your underwater spinner is being pitched by Theoria and something new, like it's a big deal.  The truth is, you can literally construct that experiment in your head.  You know two things ahead of time, (1) the water will normally spin in a vortex if the magnet is stationary because of the cross product between the magnetic field and the spaghetti tubes of current, and (2) the water is 'sticky' and it is 'stuck' on the surface of the magnet such that the vortex will work on pushing the water and it will also push on the body of the magnet.  For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.  You can crunch those two things in your head before you even do the experiment and conclude that the underwater spinner will indeed spin.  The underwater spinner experiment breaks no new ground at all.

Anyway, you learned something new, and that's the most important part.  But you have to be conservative and stop arriving at conclusions that go against what is already known and well understood.  Your coil vs. electromagnet experiment was simply a "casse tete" and nothing more than that.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 08:40:12 AM

Too that would never explain no charge used in nanoparticle suspensions


OR.....
powdered bismuth

nano-film ferrofluid (SEE PIC BELOW)

nor pyrolytic graphite

nor.............

nor..................(my best invention in the past 6 months that I will reveal in the 3rd edition, hopefully, depending on patent seeking potential)



Nope, You LIKE MOST PEOPLE keep forgetting (dont know really) that each "SIDE" of every magnet (neo or not) has a CENTRIFUGAL and a CENTRIPETAL vortex (convergent) which = CHARGE VECTOR

One puzzle at a time.  I am only considering why the PM created a vortex and the EM did not in Tinman's video.

Are you saying tape applied to the sides of the neo will have no effect with regard to the observed vortex in Tinman's videos?

PW
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 08:42:33 AM
"blooming" will be in a very similar direction to the magnetic field.
MileHigh


WHICH magnetic field?
  EACH "pole" has TWO MAGNETIC Vortex movements,  centrifugal and centripetal


Even $5 field viewing film will show you this much simplicity.  ;D

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 08:44:15 AM
I am only considering why the PM created a vortex and the EM did not in Tinman's video


That was explained several pages ago, you either   ;)


A: dont believe it (typical)

B: didnt read it



As for TINMANS VIDEO HERE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-37Ecjd7FQQ&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w


since hydrogen is diamagnetic, SAME as pyrolytic graphite
it will always move OPPOSITE the movement of the magnetism OR OPPOSITE the direction you are dragging the diamagnetic material.....such as the pyrolytic graphite in the test tube  .


SO, while he is (of course) getting CCW off the "N POLE" as per the hydrogen, the N POLE centrifugal magnetism is moving CW (and the N pole centripetal is CCW),  and as necessitated and must be the case, the diamagnetic hydrogen moves CCW to the CW centrifugal N pole of the magnet


for proof of this using pyrolytic graphite (super diamagnetic),....see here:::

see example here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6je5P1BOp3A
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 08:48:45 AM

That was explained several pages ago, you either   ;)


A: dont believe it (typical)

B: didnt read it

I'll ask once again.  Are you saying that taping the sides of the neo will not produce any change in the observed vortex in Tinman's upcoming video?
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 22, 2014, 08:54:52 AM
Brad:

There is a logical follow-up experiment that will just reinforce what PW already stated.  What you want to do is make an electromagnet that allows the current to "bloom" out of the entire metal cylinder.

So as a suggestion, take the metal cylinder and wrap a single spiral of insulated magnet wire around where you leave a decent and noticeable gap between each turn of the spiral.  You could tack down each end of the magnet wire using Krazy Glue or something.  Now when you repeat the experiment, the electric current will be able to "bloom" off of a large portion of the metal cylinder.  Thus you will now have a setup where the current "bloom" off of the regular cylindrical magnet and the current "bloom" off of the metal cylinder of the electromagnet will be very similar.  Therefore you can expect to see a vortex in the electrolyte for the electromagnet and it will be approximately the same as the vortex you get with the magnet.

There you go, that's real science for you.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 08:59:50 AM
I'll ask once again.  Are you saying that taping the sides of the neo will not produce any change in the observed vortex in Tinman's upcoming video?


Let me give you a clue AGAIN- 

"magnets" are CREATED by discharging capacitor banks THRU THE (pre-) "POLES" (at which time they are of course "PRE-magnetized [rather pre-dielectrified]" ceramics),

Also at which time, they are merely the geometric faces MEANT for polarization resultant from changing the magneto-dielectric geometry of the entire piece(s) from the discharge placed thru them, ,of which, a portion is retained.      Ergo, the 'permanent' magnet.


see below:

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 09:00:20 AM
Brad:

There is a logical follow-up experiment that will just reinforce what PW already stated.  What you want to do is make an electromagnet that allows the current to "bloom" out of the entire metal cylinder.

So as a suggestion, take the metal cylinder and wrap a single spiral of insulated magnet wire around where you leave a decent and noticeable gap between each turn of the spiral.  You could tack down each end of the magnet wire using Krazy Glue or something.  Now when you repeat the experiment, the electric current will be able to "bloom" off of a large portion of the metal cylinder.  Thus you will now have a setup where the current "bloom" off of the regular cylindrical magnet and the current "bloom" off of the metal cylinder of the electromagnet will be very similar.  Therefore you can expect to see a vortex in the electrolyte for the electromagnet and it will be approximately the same as the case for the magnet.

There you go, that's real science for you.

MileHigh

MH,

I was thinking of a steel or iron core of similar size to the neo.  Wind a coil with an ID greater than the OD of the core, such that a .5" to 1" gap exists all around between the core OD and coil ID.  Electrical connection to the core would be similar to the neo via the plate the core rests upon.  This should provide a close analog and the gap should allow enough electrolyte to spin to produce a somewhat similar vortex.

The core length may have to be extended due to the gap between the core and coil.

But were getting a bit ahead here.  Still waiting on Tinman's video...

PW
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 09:05:43 AM

Let me give you a clue AGAIN- 

"magnets" are CREATED by discharging capacitor banks THRU THE (pre-) "POLES" (at which time they are of course a "PRE-magnetized [rather pre-dielectrified]" ceramics),

they are merely the geometric faces MEANT for polarization.


see below:

Come on.  Show a little commitment and answer the question.

Do you think taping the sides of the neo have any effect on the observed vortex in Tinman's upcoming video?

PW
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 09:13:01 AM
Come on.  Show a little commitment and answer the question.
PW


Ohh, you thought I was wiggling?


You asked TINMAN-----It may be informative to repeat your test using a neo wrapped in electrical tape.  Simply wrap the tape around the magnet leaving only the very poles exposed (i.e., insulate the sides from the electrolyte).  See if you still have a bubble vortex under similar conditions to your previous test.


Will he have it?  YES


The inertial plane in ANY magnet is concentrated at the center because it is FORCED THERE, by the magnetism


However it is present at EVERY plane from the top to the bottom of any and all "magnets"



As any dufus will note, bringing 2 NEOS together the inertial plane will shift IMMEDIATELY to the midpoint between the two,      (just like gravity does , .....yes, there is a connection).


Cut a magnet along the "poles" 1000 times, you will have 1000 new inertial planes, its "incommensurate"


Its "non-point specific and incommensurable thru the entire magneto-dielectric object" (i.e. the "magnet")
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 09:21:38 AM

Let me give you a clue AGAIN- 

"magnets" are CREATED by discharging capacitor banks THRU THE (pre-) "POLES" (at which time they are of course "PRE-magnetized [rather pre-dielectrified]" ceramics),

Also at which time, they are merely the geometric faces MEANT for polarization resultant from changing the magneto-dielectric geometry of the entire piece(s) from the discharge placed thru them, ,of which, a portion is retained.      Ergo, the 'permanent' magnet.


see below:

You do realize the capacitor banks are discharged through coils, creating a large electromagnet (the poles of which are visible in your first picture)?

The poles of the previously weakly magnetized new magnet material are placed in contact with the electromagnet's pole pieces and a cap bank discharged into the coil(s) of the electromagnet to magnetize the new magnet.

Electrical current is not discharged through the core of the new magnet.

PW

(electrical current is typically used prior to sintering to produce the weak magnetic alignment in the raw magnet.  But in the images of the magnetizer, no current flows between its two pole pieces)
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 09:31:13 AM
You do realize the capacitor banks are discharged through coils, 

Yup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHuWloNGo6c&list=UUh3cY-IW8QsEFmAh-TAWwrw


The poles of the previously weakly magnetized new magnet material are placed in contact with the electromagnet's pole pieces and a cap bank discharged into the coil(s) of the electromagnet to magnetize the new magnet.


Magnets are not "MAGNETIZED", thats magnetic induction from a magnet TO a piece of iron IN THE MAG FIELD, for example.  That is magnetic field INDUCTION.
a "magnet" has an enormous dis-equalibrium between the interatomic magneto-dielectric, also as increased by the NeoFeBoron ceramic structure.


That powerful Neo "magnet" you THINK is a magnet has (under perfect conditions)   3.23606 parts dielectricity to 1 part magnetism


However centripetal radial , inertial dielectricity  IS NOT POLARIZED (obviously) AND HAS NO FERRO-ATTRACTIVE EFFECTS..


HENCE,  the stupid human creatures only "see"  the results of the MAGNETIC portion of that NEO magnet which you (WRONGLY) think is a "magnet"


All that magnetism IN a NEO is powered by the charge potential increase FROM the discharged electromagnetic coils INTO the entire F-ing Neo-Fe-Boron "pre-magnet".



(especially in the hexagonal lattice of the Neo iron boron ceramics)


Electrical current is not discharged through the core of the new magnet.

Who the HELL mentioned the word  "CORE"   ???????   

Current is discharged thru the ENTIRE F-ing magnet, which creates, resultantly this magneto-dielectric structure:

I said the dielectric was CONCENTRATED (as displaced by the magnetism) at the 'equator' of any and all magnets.   Thanks for claiming something I didnt say.



Its been called the "magnetic PINCH EFFECT" since, I recall,   1958


The "pinch" is due to magnetic and dielectric field conjugation in a BINDING SYSTEM (the magnet) and the dis-equilibrium created in the interatomic from the electrification of the magnet.

Does the word "induction" ring a bell to you?   (not magnetic INDUCTION), but the induction used to CREATE a "magnet".


Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 09:36:36 AM
Current is discharged thru the ENTIRE F-ing magnet, which creates, resultantly this magneto-dielectric structure:


Are you saying that in the images of the magnetizer station you posted, you believe that electrical current is passed between the two large iron pole pieces directly thru the magnet being magnetized?

PW
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 09:44:46 AM
Are you saying that in the images of the magnetizer station you posted, you believe that electrical current is passed between the two large iron pole pieces directly thru the magnet being magnetized?

PW


I suggest you look up the words  FIELD and INDUCTION again.     Seems they slipped your brain pan


You said---
>>>>>passed between the two large iron pole pieces<<<<<<<<<

Im telling you that depending on HOW YOU lay the magnet when its induced, you can polarized (for example) a horseshoe magnet END TO END, or  TOP TO BOTTOM (etc).



Oh hell, look wireless INDUCTION powering a light bulb!!!  how "new"   (wait, no its not).


Please wise the hell up,  no offense.




That charge dumps from the banks to the coil  INTO THE "MAGNETS", son,  is what causes the dis-equilibrium and creates that Finger-Breaking  Neo-Magnet (that you have no clue how it works)


(and apparently how its created either).
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 09:49:32 AM

I suggest you look up the words  FIELD and INDUCTION again.     Seems they slipped your brain pan



Oh hell, look wireless INDUCTION powering a light bulb!!!  how "new"   (wait, no its not).


Please wise the hell up,  no offense.

I suggest you learn how to answer questions instead of deflecting them.

In the magnetizer station depicted in the images you posted, do you believe that electrical current is passed between the two large pole pieces of the magnetizer directly through the magnet being magnetized?

it's a simple yes or no question.

PW
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 22, 2014, 09:51:31 AM
PW:

I haven't looked at the new clip but I am really feeling what you are saying, it sounds perfect.  When only the tips of the magnet can conduct current into the water, you can visualize the current "blooming" out of each end of the magnet and the "blooming" will be in a very similar direction to the magnetic field.  Hence the magnitude of the cross-product between the current flow and the magnetic field is very low and hence you don't get much of a torque imparted at all on the electrolyte "spaghetti strands."  You are awesome!

Brad, I have to scold you.  For starters, I made a posting that stated that three conditions had to be met for the vortex in the water to get created.  Look at my three conditions and relate that to what PW says and what I say in the above paragraph.  The reason to "scold" you is that you did the experiment and your conclusion was that an electromagnet produces a "different" magnetic field than a magnet.  Yet over the past few years you have looked at countless diagrams of magnets and electromagnets where you see essentially an identical magnetic field pattern produced by both things.  You probably have taken a compass and moved it around a magnet and an electromagnet and observed the same magnetic field pattern.  So how could you even say what you were saying?  It's almost like a couple of years ago when you were a beginner taking your first baby steps and every second or third clip you made you might say that you were demonstrating "something new that that science and engineering does not understand."  Respect.

I stated in an earlier posting that with your experiment you only made an observation and you did not arrive at a conclusion.  Likewise, I think one of Theoria's pitches is that a magnet and an electromagnet are very much different, the "magnetic fields are different because the sources are different" (or something like that) and that is not true.  Both an electromagnet and a magnet make use of exactly the same fundamental mechanism to generate the magnetic field.

In a similar vein, your underwater spinner is being pitched by Theoria and something new, like it's a big deal.  The truth is, you can literally construct that experiment in your head.  You know two things ahead of time, (1) the water will normally spin in a vortex if the magnet is stationary because of the cross product between the magnetic field and the spaghetti tubes of current, and (2) the water is 'sticky' and it is 'stuck' on the surface of the magnet such that the vortex will work on pushing the water and it will also push on the body of the magnet.  For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.  You can crunch those two things in your head before you even do the experiment and conclude that the underwater spinner will indeed spin.  The underwater spinner experiment breaks no new ground at all.

Anyway, you learned something new, and that's the most important part.  But you have to be conservative and stop arriving at conclusions that go against what is already known and well understood.  Your coil vs. electromagnet experiment was simply a "casse tete" and nothing more than that.

MileHigh
MH-My comment was valid in the test i carried out. There was clearly no spin at the pole end of the electromagnet,and a clear spin with a PM. Of course this may not be the case with all electromagnet's,but it was the case with the DUT in my video.. The video clearly showed this. Maybe hold off until the next video is uploaded,and then we can discus things a little more.
Maybe i should have worded my comment more carfully-like ! this particular electromagnet dose not seem to create a spin or vortex effect like the PM dose.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 09:54:58 AM
MH-My comment was valid in the test i carried out. There was clearly no spin at the pole end of the electromagnet,and a clear spin with a PM. Of course this may not be the case with all electromagnet's,but it was the case with the DUT in my video.. The video clearly showed this. Maybe hold off until the next video is uploaded,and then we can discus things a little more.
Maybe i should have worded my comment more carfully-like ! this particular electromagnet dose not seem to create a spin or vortex effect like the PM dose.

Any spoilers available or must we wait for the new video?

When do you think it will be available?

PW
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 09:57:36 AM
In the magnetizer station depicted in the images you posted, do you believe that electrical current is passed between the two large pole pieces of the magnetizer directly through the magnet being magnetized?

it's a simple yes or no question.

PW



I suggest you learn what ELECTRICAL INDUCTION IS instead of deflecting the question.

In your ignorance, like most, you are confusing a "magnetizer"  (in the creation of a magnet) ......  with  Magnetization  (temporary magnetic induction OF a ferrous object IN A FIELD)


In a magnetizer station, an enormous INDUCTIVE CHARGE IS DUMPED into the pre-"magnet" to create the "magnet"   (of which a portion is retained, resultant with the magneto-dielectric dis-equalibrium of the , now,  "magnet").


Again, suggest you look up the word INDUCTION


THAT IS, if you think you cannot fry bacon wirelessly between two INDUCTION COILS (which you can)       I thought you were smarter than that (guess not).    ;D  ;D





Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 22, 2014, 09:59:14 AM


How about a 6 inch by 2 inch  NEO????          Every soooooooooo slightly dangerous  ;D
Lol-i think that would be tooooo big TA. A 3 inch one would be great-if i could get one. This would allow for far greater testing,and give me something to try my new  HD underwater camera on-that should arrive next week. Imagine being able to get in amoungst the vortecies. Not sure what the magnetic field would do to the cammer but ???. It takes an SD card-so no disk-may be ok???.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 22, 2014, 10:00:03 AM
Any spoilers available or must we wait for the new video?

When do you think it will be available?

PW
In about 5 minutes PW
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 10:05:21 AM


I suggest you learn what ELECTRICAL INDUCTION IS instead of deflecting the question.

In your ignorance, like most, you are confusing a "magnetizer"  (in the creation of a magnet) ......  with  Magnetization  (temporary magnetic induction OF a ferrous object IN A FIELD)


In a magnetizer station, an enormous INDUCTIVE CHARGE IS DUMPED into the pre-"magnet" to create the "magnet"   (of which a portion is retained, resultant with the magneto-dielectric dis-equalibrium of the , now,  "magnet").


Again, suggest you look up the word INDUCTION


THAT IS, if you think you cannot fry bacon wirelessly between two INDUCTION COILS (which you can)       I thought you were smarter than that (guess not).    ;D  ;D



Damn your difficult.

Do you even agree that in the upper two images that you posted, that the big machine into which the caps are discharged and which has two large iron pole pieces is a "magnetizer"?

Do you also believe that the machine (i.e., the magnetizer) depicted in those images passes electrical current directly thru the magnet being magnetized?

Simple yes or no questions.  I really don't know how I can make them any simpler...

PW

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 22, 2014, 10:05:23 AM
Here is PW's seguested test.Im now off to the workshop to see if the spinning magnet motor still works with insulation tape wound around it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO-EcDBvyw8&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w

P.S-sorry about the quality of the video-not sure what happened there.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 10:06:49 AM
Any spoilers available or must we wait for the new video?
When do you think it will be available?
PW



WELL>>>>>>>>>>>  HERE IS HIS VIDEO ,   I WAS RIGHT............U WERE WRONG   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO-EcDBvyw8&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w


YOU KNOW HOW I KNEW??????  :o  :o  :o   Because ALL CENTRIPETAL [[[[at the center of every 'pole' of every magnet]]]]   (not the outer-edge centrifugal !!!!!) is the POINT THRU WHICH CHARGE OCCURS


this pic is for YOU:





Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 10:19:46 AM
Here is PW's seguested test.Im now off to the workshop to see if the spinning magnet motor still works with insulation tape wound around it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO-EcDBvyw8&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w

P.S-sorry about the quality of the video-not sure what happened there.

Very interesting Tinman.  Thanks for doing that.  If you are using an adjustable supply, you might try to see if the spin rate correlates directly with current flow.  That would also tend to indicate homopolar action imparting spin into the electrolyte.

Regarding the EM you used.  Did I see correctly that it had a tubular core?  If so, do you have anything solid that you can either replace or modify the core with so that it has a cross section more similar to the neo (particularly at the poles)?

Thanks again, I always enjoy your videos and appreciate your time...

PW.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 10:24:23 AM
Damn your difficult.

Do you even agree that in the upper two images that you posted, that the big machine into which the caps are discharged and which has two large iron pole pieces is a "magnetizer"?

Do you also believe that the machine (i.e., the magnetizer) depicted in those images passes electrical current directly thru the magnet being magnetized?

PW


Damn your are DUMB

Its CALLED A MAGNETIZER,    dummy.    Because it it used to to create magnets.     It DOES SO by CHARGED INDUCTION   dummy


DIRECTLY???????


Define DIRECTLY  son?????????  ROFL !!!!!

How did you think a magnetizer works?  Temporary magnetization or creating a permanent magnet, ....the fields of dielectricity and magnetism are ALIGNED to create acceleration to the electomagnet (from iron for example).


An inductive charge is placed from the cap banks, thru the coils and THRU the "magnet" , of which a portion of the charge is left "permanently" remaining.

Just like running a fast river for an instant in the sand, leaving a permanent "mark", in this case, the "mark" is the dis-equilibrium of the magneto-dielectric in and of the (now) "magnet".


Let me WISE YOU THE HECK up (no offense, honestly)  ....



 CONTACT electrification, and INDUCTION electrification are  BOTH #&*@(@(@  ELECTRIFICATION



Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: d3x0r on July 22, 2014, 10:35:54 AM
Regarding diametric magnetized magnet... would be the same if you put the other axially magnetized on it's side... ( so the vortex from north goes (cw) and the other side goes (ccw) which makes a generla feed in one direction, which will look like sluffing off to the side.)


Radial magnetized is with north in the center and south on the outside...


(images)  from https://www.kjmagnetics.com/magdir.asp  and ring section of http://www.duramag.com/magnetization-options-for-neodymium-iron-boron-samarium-cobalt-ceramic-magnets/
1) diametric (across the diameter)
2) axial  (along the axis)
3) radial
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 10:39:33 AM


WELL>>>>>>>>>>>  HERE IS HIS VIDEO ,   I WAS RIGHT............U WERE WRONG   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO-EcDBvyw8&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w


YOU KNOW HOW I KNEW??????  :o  :o  :o   Because ALL CENTRIPETAL [[[[at the center of every 'pole' of every magnet]]]]   (not the outer-edge centrifugal !!!!!) is the POINT THRU WHICH CHARGE OCCURS


this pic is for YOU:


A bit early to draw any conclusions, don't you think?  That would be a typical newbie experimenter mistake.

One can see that the amount of electrolyte spinning at the sides (of the neo (and in general) greatly reduced when the tape was applied.  This tends to support the homopolar torque speculation.  However, it is too soon to draw any solid conclusions.

Current is still flowing in the presence of a magnetic field, and in the tape covered neo, As tinman noted, there now appears to be a series of smaller vortices generated when the tape is applied to the neo, as opposed to the more general and singular overall spin observed when the tape was not applied to the neo.  It also appears that the vortices generated are closer to the edge of the tape covered neo where current flow continues to more so perpendicular to the magnetic axis.

The character of the observed vortex did indeed change when the tape was applied. 

So now a next experiment must be devised to further isolate a variable.

But for now, I am going to bed.

PW
 
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 10:39:48 AM
Regarding diametric magnetized magnet..



or the special nature of HD magnets

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 10:50:39 AM
A bit early to draw any conclusions, don't you think?  That would be a typical newbie experimenter mistake.


Yeah, Im sure Tinmans video is a BIG LIE  (not a chance in hell)   ;D  ;D


LET ME QUOTE YOU from earlier::::::::
If this is correct, taping the sides of the neo should reduce the current flow perpendicular to the neo's magnetic axis, reducing or eliminating the torque/electrolyte spin and vortex.



I knew it would be the same, as said, because the CENTRIPETAL on both sides is the "portal" (as analogy) of reintegration AND charge which perpetuates the incommensurable magneto-dielectric geometry of the "magnet".



One can see that the amount of electrolyte spinning at the sides (of the neo (and in general) greatly reduced when the tape was applied.  This tends to support the homopolar torque speculation.  However, it is too soon to draw any solid conclusions.


NO WAY........ITS NOT "SPINNING AT THE SIDES" its the bubbles from the OTHER SIDES vortex, AGAINST THE PLATE, which are rising!!!!!   ROFL!!!!!!
"duhhh".   ;D  ;D


Current is still flowing in the presence of a magnetic field, and in the tape covered neo, As tinman noted, there now appears to be a series of smaller vortices generated when the tape is applied to the neo, as opposed to the more general and singular overall spin observed when the tape was not applied to the neo.  It also appears that the vortices generated are closer to the edge of the tape covered neo where current flow continues to more so perpendicular to the magnetic axis. 


thats because he has PART OF the centrifugal edge of the NEO covered in tape, OF WHICH the hydrogen bubbles are disturbed by.

You can see that in nature, when a giant tornado gets blasted and disturbed, it can form many smaller tornados like a 3 or 4 fingers diverging from one larger tornado.

he just needs to removed a VERY SMALL hair of tape from the centrifugal edge.

You can SEE he has the   >>>very edge<<<<  taped off.    LOOK IN THE VIDEO, its as clear as day.





The character of the observed vortex did indeed change when the tape was applied.   

NOPE, he did NOT tape just the SIDE, but ALSO THE LIP OF THE EDGE of the centrifugal



see pic below:

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 11:00:00 AM

Damn your are DUMB

Its CALLED A MAGNETIZER,    dummy.    Because it it used to to create magnets.     It DOES SO by CHARGED INDUCTION   dummy


DIRECTLY???????


Define DIRECTLY  son?????????  ROFL !!!!!

How did you think a magnetizer works?  Temporary magnetization or creating a permanent magnet, ....the fields of dielectricity and magnetism are ALIGNED to create acceleration to the electomagnet (from iron for example).


An inductive charge is placed from the cap banks, thru the coils and THRU the "magnet" , of which a portion of the charge is left "permanently" remaining.

Just like running a fast river for an instant in the sand, leaving a permanent "mark", in this case, the "mark" is the dis-equilibrium of the magneto-dielectric in and of the (now) "magnet".


Let me WISE YOU THE HECK up (no offense, honestly)  ....



 CONTACT electrification, and INDUCTION electrification are  BOTH #&*@(@(@  ELECTRIFICATION


Great, so now that we agree that the machine depicted is indeed a magnetizer, perhaps you will answer my question.

Regarding the magnetizer depicted in the images you posted, do you believe electrical current is passed between the two large iron pole pieces of the magnetizer thru the magnet being magnetized?

I only asked for clarification, because it sure sounded like that is indeed what you were saying (you even added an expletive to force the point).  It sounded like you believed that the capacitors are discharged directly thru the item being magnetized, which is not the case.

The magnetizer is just a large electromagnet made with a soft ferro core about which a coil or coils are wound.  The ends of the core terminate at the two large iron pole pieces visible on the machine depicted in the images you posted.  The item being magnetized is placed across the pole pieces and a brief discharge of current is passed thru the coil(s) of the magnetizer's electromagnet, which magnetizes the item between the electromagnet's pole pieces.  If the item is such that it can retain the magnetism, it becomes a PM.

At no time during the use of the magnetizer is the electrical current discharged from the caps passed directly thru the item being magnetized.

A permanent magnet of sufficiently high strength could instead be used to replace the electromagnet of the magnetizer, and it would also, in a similar fashion, magnetize the new magnet.  It would, however, be very difficult to remove the new magnet from the pole pieces of a powerful permanent magnet, so an electromagnet is used instead.

I'm off to bed...

PW

 
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 11:12:31 AM
TA,

Clearly the character of the vortex changed when the tape was applied.

I'll read more of the responses you posted tomorrow, but from what I already read, all I can say is that kicking and screaming like the youngster you are and throwing an apparent hissy fit is not science. 

I'll spend some more time thinking about Tinman's experiment tomorrow.

For now I'm off to bed.

PW
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 11:13:25 AM
The item being magnetized is placed across the pole pieces and a brief discharge of current is passed thru the coil(s) of the magnetizer's electromagnet, which magnetizes the item between the electromagnet's pole pieces.  If the item is such that it can retain the magnetism, it becomes a PM.

Dead wrong son.      Brief LARGE AMOUNT OF CURRENT you mean.

You're as clueless as a goddamn lemming.     You dont (still) GET the fucking word  "MAGNETIZE" ,   Magnetization (as implied resultant magnetism in the "magnet")  is the TERMINATION OF ELECTRICITY moron.......... Even a 8th grade book on electricity will tell you that son.


How the FUCK did you think you created a FINGER CRUSHING NEO MAGNET????
    Its inductively CHARGED at the dielectric from the Cap banks, to the coils INTO the Magnet.


Magnetism is the RESULTANT FROM ANOTHER.   There is no such bullshit as "magnetism" occuring (on its own)

Magnetism is SPATIAL, is RADIATION, is the TERMINATION / DEAD END of   either A: dielectric amplification   B: discharge termination of electrical current (into X)


Dont you even fucking know how  AC power lines SPREAD APART when the current is altered????????????  Guess what is "spreading the lines apart" ?????  Magnetism

GUESS NOW what the fuck is CAUSING THEM to spread apart.   


You have poo between your ears.


Let me give you a fucking heads up on the word  "ELECTROMAGNET"........OK,     Its OVERWHELMINGLY ELECTRICAL, with resultant strong magnetic (temporary) charge.


Yes, moron, the magnet is electrically INDUCED BY the ELECTRIC INDUCTION from the ELECTO-magnet.    Wise the ever loving hell up boy.




A permanent magnet of sufficiently high strength could instead be used to replace the electromagnet of the magnetizer, and it would also, in a similar fashion, magnetize the new magnet.  It would, however, be very difficult to remove the new magnet from the pole pieces of a powerful permanent magnet, so an electromagnet is used instead.


Thanks for that "no shit" heads up.      NOW ask how you create a (very WEAK) permanent magnet with a STRONG magnet???????

YOU STROKE IT with the strong magnet and align the dielectricity in a coherent fashion in the steel bar ,etc,...    to create resultant macro-magnetic polarization


Ohhhhhhhh, and WHY IS A MAGNET MADE THIS WAY SO STINKING WEAK IN POWER??????????????    because it was not, IS NOT, HAS NOT been electrified from a HUGE inductive electrical DUMP



You however, have been stroking something else.    and its NOT the books.    ;D  ;D






The question becomes, of the two diagrams below, one being graphed, the other showing iron filings on the left, which of the two
is showing the cross section of a permanent magnet, and which is showing current moving in opposite directions as in AC lines (blue
representing the dielectric, and red the magnetic)? The answer is that both are showing both current moving in opposite directions and
the cross section along the Z-axis of a permanent magnet.


In the iron filings illustration on the left, you need only connect the two
conductive AC wires with a line (however in 3D it would be a flattened toroidal accretion disk) and you have the XY-axis ‘accretion
disk’ of dielectric counterspatial, inertial, radial, and centripetal dominance and the vertically expansive spatial, circular, centrifugal
(and centripetal) and polarized magnetic reciprocating field. Of the diagram on the right, you need only connect the two AC
conductive wires with a line once again, and compress vertically, the blue dielectric lines into a flatter profile to fit the dielectric
geometry into a magnetic mass (or “magnet”) rather than free hanging space AC lines. Both illustrations are that of field or currents
(both Ether in nature) moving in opposite directions and the cross section of a permanent magnet. Likewise in an alternating current
situation, the feed lines are pressing apart in free hanging space which allows for more magnetism (whereas current in the same
direction, the current lines are pulled together which allows for more dielectric storage). This electrification in creating a magnet
means the dielectric, while centripetal, exists predominately like a gyroscopic flywheel mass, along the periphery at which the center
Z-axis is the reciprocating magnetic field portal. In its fixed form of a permanent magnet, the compressing dielectric centripetal
counter (spatial) force is working in direct opposition to the magnetic, with the dielectric attempting to come together at the XY-axis
centerpoint, while at the same time, the magnetic is attempting to push the XY-axis apart at the centerpoint, resultantly like stepping
down flow from a larger diameter pipe into a smaller one, there is increased pressure, or in this case, increased magnetic pressure of
which we, incorrectly, deem an electrified dielectric object, as a “magnet” or “magnetic object”.

Ironically (not so) electrification in the creation of a permanent magnet creates significant spatial magnetic polarization, whereas an
identical relationship exists likewise in the spatial-counterspatial geometry as created in current lines that are polarized, and have
current moving in opposite directions. This is the harmonic conjugate relationship of magnetism and dielectricity, spatial and
counterspatial, both moving 180 degrees opposite one another, however in a binding electrical system, or a “magnetic” mass create an
unique centripetal-centrifugal, radial-circular, inertial-radiative, spatial-counterspatial set of relationships, so fully and accurately
spelled out by the gods of electrical theory, Maxwell, Heaviside, Faraday, Tesla, Steinmetz, and others.

Both diagrams show the same geometry, but in different electrical dimensions. Alternating electrical current being polarized,
produces the same magneto-dielectric geometry as electrification produces in the creation of an ‘electrified’ dielectric object
(“magnet”) with spatial magnetic polarization. Electrical current polarization produces a temporary building-radiative polarized (there
is no other kind) magnetic field, or in the other case, magnetic polarization formed in the electrification of a ferrous mass into a
dielectric object with a fixed radiative magnetic field. When electrified, the ferrous mass retains (due to the special inter-atomic
magneto-dielectric elasticity of the volume of iron) high dielectric capacitance, also proven in experimentation in releasing this
dielectricity (light reflector = dielectric conductor, iron in its special nature can be stably dielectrically saturated from electrification).


Magnetism is literally the polarization of dielectricity as contained or induced by an object (permanent magnet, TEM,
electromagnet), the two are conjugate and inversely proportional in their magneto-dielectric architecture, where one is circular,
dielectricity is radial, where one is centrifugal-centripetal, dielectricity is centripetal, where one is radiative, dielectricity is inertial,
where one is spatial (polarized), dielectricity is counterspatial. This conjugate pair creates and props up the entire universe, and powers
all atomic elements, is responsible for charge, discharge, induction, radiation, generation, polarization, mass creation which likewise
terminates into gravity. An incapacity to understand this fundamental is a roadblock to any true comprehension of magnetism or
dielectricity. Where magnetism seeks static circular polarization, electrification is a radial dynamic polarization.


Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 11:15:13 AM
TA,

Clearly the character of the vortex changed when the tape was applied.



AND I told you why, see PIC ABOVE, he taped off the sharp edge of the MAX velocity point of the centrifugal of which the hydrogen is spinning off from.


However thats no big deal.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 22, 2014, 11:26:39 AM
TA
Maybe we all should hold off on insulting remark's-and i mean all of us. You must understand that the guy's here are here to help(well most anyway). Look at it like this-once all the probable causes are found not to be true,then what is left must be true. Im happy to do these test 1 by 1 ,as requested. And i will do them to the best of my ability. You will now see that 1 by 1, more questions are being raised. the next video ! im sure ! will bring more questions and confusion. We have PW, saying Quote: If this is correct, taping the sides of the neo should reduce the current flow perpendicular to the neo's magnetic axis, reducing or eliminating the torque/electrolyte spin and vortex. MH and Gravoc also agreed with this. This is what we need TA,things to try-this is how we get answer's.

So here is a video that bring's more question's .lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xmwnsCw2BI&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 11:29:18 AM
You will now see that 1 by 1, more questions are being raised. the next video ! im sure ! will bring more questions and confusion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xmwnsCw2BI&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w


Too true on that,  agreed.      And the rest.    I just bicker, IM not foaming at the mouth    Thats how grumpy assholes operate  ;D ;D


 ;)  ;)
LOVELY NEW VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   ;)  ;)  ;)



Awesome video showing the VERTICALLY polarized magnet!!!

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 22, 2014, 11:48:43 AM
So here is a video that bring's more question's .lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xmwnsCw2BI&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xmwnsCw2BI&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w)

A quote from the above video description, "Dose a magnetic vortex spin really exist? ,if not,then how is this motor running with the sides of the magnet electrically insulated from the water"?

A current flowing from the rim/edge to the axis of the conductive PM will experience a torque causing it to rotate.  The rotation is slower with the sides of the magnet taped, and there is also a reduction in the vortex with the sides of the magnet taped.  A non conductive ceramic magnet would not rotate at all, and this is the same for the EM without a conductive coating.  It wouldn't take long to wrap the EM in aluminium foil to see if the EM itself will want to rotate or not.

Gravock 
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 11:51:57 AM
A current flowing from the rim/edge of the PM to the axis of the conductive coating will torque the magnet causing it to rotate.  The rotation is slower with the sides of the magnet taped, and there is also a reduction in the vortex with the sides of the magnet taped.
Gravock


U missed the most important PART, he has the RIM EDGE TAPED OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!     ;D  ;D

see pic below

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 22, 2014, 11:57:24 AM

U missed the most important PART, he has the RIM EDGE TAPED OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!     ;D ;D

see pic below

Yes, and the more you tape of the face of the magnet, the further the reduction of the vortex will be and the slower the rotation of the PM itself will be.  In a HPG,  place one probe at the axis and one probe at the rim.  As you move the probe from the rim towards the axis there will be a reduction in the voltage as you approach the axis.  There will be no voltage when both probes are at the axis.  The greatest potential is between the axis and at the center point of the two poles.

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 12:01:32 PM
Yes, and the more you tape of the face of the magnet, the further the reduction of the vortex will be and the slower the rotation of the PM itself will be.  In a HPG,  place one probe at the axis and one probe at the rim.  As you move the probe from the rim towards the axis there will be a reduction in the voltage as you approach the axis.  There will be no voltage when both probes are at the axis.

Gravock


HE DIDNT TAPE OF ANY PART OF THE CENTER POINT OF THE CENTRIPETAL/   CHARGE 'portal'.

WRONG SON,  charge enters centripetally  (DEAD CENTER OF BOTH 'POLES')................,   NOT CENTRIFUGALLY,     Ive said that 4 times already.


more disruption of the hydrogen bubbles? YES..........LESS ROTATION?????????    >>>>>>    NO  <<<<<


Son, the CHARGE is rotating the magnet!!!!!!!!!!    Not the hydrogen bubbles    ROFL !!!!!!!!!  Hahahhaahahahahahahhaha  !!!!!!!!!!!!   ;D  ;D  ;D


PATHETIC !!!!!!! OMG



And, his rotation is only a tad slower because:


A:  it has electrical tape on it with MORE DRAG than the slick nickel coating

B: he created greater MASS to rotate around the side of the magnet, ALL AROUND IT with several grams of electrical tape.


BOTH THOSE reasons are why its spinning a wee bit slower!!!


back to the books with you.


Thats why my 1000$  Bicycle wheels (the wheels ONLY) are SO LIGHTWEIGHT around the rim........LESS WEIGHT = MORE /EASIER TO SPIN
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 22, 2014, 12:07:00 PM

HE DIDNT TAPE OF ANY PART OF THE CENTER POINT OF THE CENTRIPETAL/   CHARGE 'portal'.

WRONG SON,  charge enters centripetally  (DEAD CENTER OF BOTH 'POLES')................,   NOT CENTRIFUGALLY,     Ive said that 4 times already.


more disruption of the hydrogen bubbles? YES..........LESS ROTATION? ??? ??? ??    >>>>>>    NO  <<<<<


Son, the CHARGE is rotating the magnet!!!!!!!!!!    Not the hydrogen bubbles    ROFL !!!!!!!!!  Hahahhaahahahahahahhaha  !!!!!!!!!!!!   ;D ;D ;D


PATHETIC !!!!!!! OMG



And, his rotation is only a tad slower because it has electrical tape on it with MORE DRAG than the slick nickel coating


AND he created greater MASS to rotate around the side of the magnet, ALL AROUND IT with several grams of electrical tape.


BOTH THOSE reasons are why its spinning a wee bit slower!!!

Wrong, charge can enter either centripetally or centrifugally depending on the polarity of the current.  Centripetally will enter dead center at both poles.  Centrifugally will enter at the axis on the face of the magnet.  You will either have a negative voltage reading or a positive voltage reading depending on the polarity (centripetal or centrifugal) of the current.

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 12:09:11 PM
Wrong, charge can enter either centripetally or centrifugally depending on the polarity of the current.  You will either have a negative voltage reading or a positive voltage reading depending on the polarity of the current.

Gravock


You demented fool,    NICE BS CLAIM   (I repeat CLAIM).    However its 100% dead WRONG.


ALL charge enters centripetally...........youre confusing  CW with CCW  (which pertains to BOTH centripetal AND centrifugal).




Centripetal is called CONVERGENT for a goddamn reason............ its the point of CHARGE.


Centrifugal is called DIVERGENT for a reason, is the point at which magnetism ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALLLLWAYS  leaves a magnet.


regardless of which side,

regardless of charge or not.     

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 22, 2014, 12:12:07 PM

You demented fool,    NICE BS CLAIM   (I repeat CLAIM).    However its 100% dead WRONG.


ALL charge enters centripetally...........youre confusing  CW with CCW  (which pertains to BOTH centripetal AND centrifugal).

If this is the case, then reversing the polarity of the current wouldn't reverse the direction of rotation.  However, this isn't the case, because there will be a reversal in rotation with a reversal in the polarity of the current.  This isn't a claim.  What I am saying is observed in countless experiments.

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 12:14:26 PM
If this is the case, then reversing the polarity of the current wouldn't reverse the direction of rotation.
Gravock



Holy F-ING SH*T!!!!!!       Of course the DIRECTION OF ROTATION CHANGES on the magnetic mass,   dummy   ;D   ;D


That has no *##&@# bearing on the fact that the charge ENTERS CENTRIPETALLY 



Change the polarity from CW centripetal   to CCW centripetal   (BOTH ARE CENTRIPETAL)...........Yes, the rotation changes


ROFL      How old are you,,....honestly?



Lets look at the diagram again,   (but for you, the FIRST TIME)


Hmmmmmmm  CW centripetal ......... AND  CCW centripetal


Yup, there it is.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 22, 2014, 12:17:20 PM


Holy F-ING SH*T!!!!!!       Of course the DIRECTION OF ROTATION CHANGES on the magnetic mass,   dummy   ;D   ;D


That has no *##&@# bearing on the fact that the charge ENTERS CENTRIPETALLY

So, according to you, the charges flow in the same direction and enters centripetally regardless of the polarity of the current?

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 12:21:13 PM
So, according to you, the charges flow in the same direction and enters centripetally regardless of the polarity of the current?

Gravock

Centripetal is centripetal ,    CW or CCW

Reverse the polarity,  you REVERSE the POLARITY   (wow, what a stunning conclusion that is!!!!!)   ;D  ;D


Hmmmmmmm  Polarity  ,.........does that mean the CHARGE has "reverse polarity"  ENTERING CENTRIPETALLY , AT the  OTHER CENTRIPETAL charge point?


OMFG

  This is why Socrates was happy to drink the Hemlock. 


Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 22, 2014, 12:27:59 PM
Centripetal is centripetal ,    CW or CCW

Reverse the polarity,  you REVERSE the POLARITY   (wow, what a stunning conclusion that is!!!!!)   ;D ;D


Hmmmmmmm  Polarity  ,.........does that mean the CHARGE has "reverse polarity"  ENTERING CENTRIPETALLY , AT the  OTHER CENTRIPETAL charge point?


OMFG

  This is why Socrates was happy to drink the Hemlock.

Centripetal current means the charges are flowing from the rim to the axis.  Centrifugal current means the charges are flowing from the axis towards the rim. Feel free to replace 'rim' with the 'center point between the two poles' if you like.

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 12:31:34 PM
TA
Maybe we all should hold off on insulting remark's-and i mean all of us. You must understand that the guy's here are here to help(well most anyway). Look at it like this-once all the probable causes are found not to be true,then what is left must be true. Im happy to do these test 1 by 1 ,as requested. And i will do them to the best of my ability. You will now see that 1 by 1, more questions are being raised. the next video ! im sure ! will bring more questions and confusion. We have PW, saying Quote: If this is correct, taping the sides of the neo should reduce the current flow perpendicular to the neo's magnetic axis, reducing or eliminating the torque/electrolyte spin and vortex. MH and Gravoc also agreed with this. This is what we need TA,things to try-this is how we get answer's.

So here is a video that bring's more question's .lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xmwnsCw2BI&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w

Tinman,

Interesting video.  But again, we still have current flow in the presence of a magnetic field, so it is not unreasonable to expect spin.  Can you tell if the torque is reduced with the tape applied (possibly via spin up rate)?  As well, does the spin rate vary with the applied current?

I am more so interested in the bubble vortex difference when using the PM versus EM.  Now that we know that a spin still appears with the neo's sides taped it will be easier to do tests with the EM.  Although the taped neo produced a somewhat different vortex appearance, with smaller multiple vortices, it is possible that these represent something closer to truth that may actually have been masked by the larger overall spin produced via the side torque.  It must also be kept in mind, however, that we still have current flow in the presence of an electrical field, so it is not at all unrealistic to expect spin generation via conventional means.  However, one would also expect a similar result from an electromagnet.

Therefore, a first experiment regarding the EM that might be considered is to modify the core of the EM so that its cross section is similar to the neo, particularly with regard to the poles, and repeat the test.  Was your EM core tubular?  Consider changing the core to a solid one or insert something into the tubular core to make the EM poles more similar to the neo.  Also, it would be wise to use a spring scale or a lift test to determine the current needed to make the EM similar to the PM in strength.  But again, the core cross section should be made similar to the neo before doing so.  Also, make sure the EM coil is electrically isolated from the electrolyte so as not to influence the current path.


Appreciate your time,

PW





Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 12:32:39 PM
Centripetal means the charges are flowing from the rim to the axis.  Centrifugal means the charges are flowing from the axis towards the rim. Feel free to replace 'rim' with the 'center point between the two poles' if you like.

Gravock


Clueless as heck.      SERIOUSLY,  how old are you?


100%  I#$&$($%  WRONG

NO SON,   magnetic  CENTRIPETAL magnetism LEFT from the other side.. leaving the centrifugal,  going ROUND to the other side  AT HEIGHT and speeding UP to the centripetal point at the middle

A TORNADO is centripetal son, it STARTS at the clouds and its speed increases AT THE GROUND POINT (surface of the magnet at dead center)

A BULLWHIP is a type of CENTRIFUGAL,  slow movement at hand, and breaking the sound barrier at the END of the whip.


YELLOW LINES BELOW ARE CENTRIFUGAL........GOING AROUND TO THE OTHER SIDE, RETURNING AT CENTER, CENTRIPETALLY, RED ARROWS



You are either PLAYING with me, or genuinely JUST THAT DUMB

See pic below son, THAT is a magnet,   the RED is centripetal , its the END RESULT of the other sides CENTRIFUGAL


thats why its called "magnetic reciprocation"  son.




Even a *@#&&@  Gaussmeter will tell you the HIGH GAUSS rating (magnetic velocity) at the EDGE of any magnet is THE HIGHEST

also very high at the dead center.


You said::::::
Centripetal means the charges are flowing from the rim to the axis.


What the FUCKING HELL??????      Too bad magnetism is POLARIZED = SPATIAL..........   Magnetism is NOT moving just ALONG the surface of "each pole"  ;D  ;D  ;D , but GOING ROUND , GOING OUT (centrifugal)  and returning to the other side and entering the dead center (CENTRIPETAL)


Two options:
1. Extreme stupidity
2. playing games.


Either 1 or 2 does NOT bode well .
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: gravityblock on July 22, 2014, 12:38:53 PM

Clueless as heck.      SERIOUSLY,  how old are you?


100%  I#$&$($%  WRONG

NO SON,   magnetic  CENTRIPETAL magnetism LEFT from the other side.. leaving the centrifugal,  going ROUND to the other side  AT HEIGHT and speeding UP to the centripetal point at the middle

A TORNADO is centripetal son, it STARTS at the clouds and its speed increases AT THE GROUND POINT (surface of the magnet at dead center)

A BULLWHIP is a type of CENTRIFUGAL,  slow movement at hand, and breaking the sound barrier at the END of the whip.


YELLOW LINES BELOW ARE CENTRIFUGAL........GOING AROUND TO THE OTHER SIDE, RETURNING AT CENTER, CENTRIPETALLY, RED ARROWS



You are either PLAYING with me, or genuinely JUST THAT DUMB

See pic below son, THAT is a magnet,   the RED is centripetal , its the END RESULT of the other sides CENTRIFUGAL


thats why its called "magnetic reciprocation"  son.





You said::::::
Centripetal means the charges are flowing from the rim to the axis.


What the FUCKING HELL? ??? ??      Too bad magnetism is POLARIZED = SPATIAL..........   Magnetism is NOT moving just ALONG the surface of "each pole"  ;D ;D ;D , but GOING ROUND , GOING OUT (centrifugal)  and returning to the other side and entering the dead center (CENTRIPETAL)


Two options:
1. Extreme stupidity
2. playing games.


Either 1 or 2 does NOT bode well .

You sure do like to muddy the waters.  Your rebuttal has nothing to do with what I said, lol.

Gravock
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 12:42:51 PM
You sure do like to muddy the waters.  Your rebuttal has nothing to do with what I said, lol.

Gravock

Listen son, I dont mind ignorance,  EVERYONE is ignorant.


I don't know how to build a car motor, OR fix the goddamn thing   OK??


Just dont act like you know what the goddamn hell you're talking about on this subject.     



Ignorance is good (if you know you have it).......  Being ignorant and thinking you AREN'T (about X), thats the pits of Hell itself.


My rebuttal was logical, and I can demonstrate same 1000 ways to Sunday, even 10$ bottle of FERROFLUID will show you this simple damn fact.

Wise up.


I suspect you're some teenager punk.    Typically such hubris is only found out of 2 people:


1. Old demented fools
2. Teenanger  know it all scum


And I doubt you are OLD

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 22, 2014, 01:08:07 PM
Tinman,

Interesting video.  But again, we still have current flow in the presence of a magnetic field, so it is not unreasonable to expect spin.  Can you tell if the torque is reduced with the tape applied (possibly via spin up rate)?  As well, does the spin rate vary with the applied current?

I am more so interested in the bubble vortex difference when using the PM versus EM.  Now that we know that a spin still appears with the neo's sides taped it will be easier to do tests with the EM.  Although the taped neo produced a somewhat different vortex appearance, with smaller multiple vortices, it is possible that these represent something closer to truth that may actually have been masked by the larger overall spin produced via the side torque.  It must also be kept in mind, however, that we still have current flow in the presence of an electrical field, so it is not at all unrealistic to expect spin generation via conventional means.  However, one would also expect a similar result from an electromagnet.

Therefore, a first experiment regarding the EM that might be considered is to modify the core of the EM so that its cross section is similar to the neo, particularly with regard to the poles, and repeat the test.  Was your EM core tubular?  Consider changing the core to a solid one or insert something into the tubular core to make the EM poles more similar to the neo.  Also, it would be wise to use a spring scale or a lift test to determine the current needed to make the EM similar to the PM in strength.  But again, the core cross section should be made similar to the neo before doing so.  Also, make sure the EM coil is electrically isolated from the electrolyte so as not to influence the current path.


Appreciate your time,

PW
Some answers i can give you already PW. The electromagnets cross section is the same as the neo's im using-as seen in a couple of the video's. Also in a couple of the video's,i use a cylinder magnet (hole through the middle) with the same cross section size as the EM's core. The neo still produces the vortex ,but as seen,the electromagnet dose not. The EM's coil power is totally isolated from the power supply. Even when using the battery charger(that has no common ground)to keep the battery voltage up,it is also isolated via the step down transformer-which dosnt have a common neutral(Primary and secondary are two sepperate winding's).

I need to say this once again,as some still dont get it.
I am stating facts on tests i carried out !!AND!! showed on video, on !!MY!! EM-not ruddy Johno's down the road. These are the results of !!MY!! DUT,not some other device. Other EM's may indeed give different results,and so they ruddy well should-because there !!NOT!! the same device.If you want the horse power rating of your mini clubman,do you put a ford mustang on the dyno to get it?. So,i stand by what i said-the EM (my EM) tested in the video,did NOT show the spin effect like the PM did-as seen in the video. So when i said the EM's field seems to be different to that of the PM's field,i was 100% correct-as seen in the video.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 01:16:02 PM
So when i said the EM's field seems to be different to that of the PM's field,i was 100% correct-as seen in the video.


The only reductive conclusion one can draw from all the pissing and moaning about your EM experiment is:


1. Theyre pissed that the vortex (fact) premise of PM is true, and (of course) not found in an EM

2. No matter WHAT you do, someone is going to say (just a few) you jacked the experiment (which you didnt, of course)

3. Theyre pissed that you proved a premise of mine with genuine experimentation.,........since they all generally seem to love you, but despise me........  As such, they're pissed your HONEST and unbiased experiments produced results in favor of my premise, and they really arent ticked at anything YOU did, but that it supports my position.


I hope you invent something WONDERFUL and make a LOAD of $$$$ so you and the fam can retire and tell the regular job to SHOVE IT  ;)  ;D  ;)  ;)
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 22, 2014, 01:38:37 PM

The only reductive conclusion one can draw from all the pissing and moaning about your EM experiment is:


1. Theyre pissed that the vortex (fact) premise of PM is true, and (of course) not found in an EM

2. No matter WHAT you do, someone is going to say (just a few) you jacked the experiment (which you didnt, of course)

3. Theyre pissed that you proved a premise of mine with genuine experimentation.,........since they all generally seem to love you, but despise me........  As such, they're pissed your HONEST and unbiased experiments produced results in favor of my premise, and they really arent ticked at anything YOU did, but that it supports my position.


I hope you invent something WONDERFUL and make a LOAD of $$$$ so you and the fam can retire and tell the regular job to SHOVE IT  ;)  ;D  ;)  ;)

I make my experiments as simple as possable,so as others can replicate them with ease. The simple solution would be for some one else to try a differently configured EM,and see how they go. But it looks like it's just going to be me(and you TA)that is spending all the time in the work shop. It would be nice to have at least 1 other experimenter on the job as well.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 01:45:57 PM
I make my experiments as simple as possable,so as others can replicate them with ease. The simple solution would be for some one else to try a differently configured EM,and see how they go. But it looks like it's just going to be me(and you TA)that is spending all the time in the work shop. It would be nice to have at least 1 other experimenter on the job as well.


IVe been doing lots of experimenting today!!!!!!!, I even created a new nanoparticle suspension nobody has tried before and it produces wonderful thin long thread results and that moves slow and shows much better vortex movement


I show another version of a NEW suspension in a recent video.    So, I DID invent a wholly new suspension today.!!!!!   I meet with my associate tomorrow.  I have 6 diff. liquid ferrous and non-ferrous suspensions, and we are talking about marketing them to other folks as a 6 part set of diff. magnetic viewing devices.


Here are 2 anyone can make that I CAN TALK ABOUT how theyre made:::::




Not shown is the 3rd type (hard to photograph), which shows the inertial plane of a magnet


Ive been experimenting with ferrofluid suspensions for a LONG TIME.

ferrofluid is very cheap on ebay.......ultimately you only need a small vial to make a LOT of testers (people LOOOOVE them as gifts)

Cost to make? About $1 or less EACH.


You need test tubes, ferrofluid, rubbing alcohol, baby oil/mineral oil
sugar and water.

1. type 1, add 5-12 drops of ferrofluid , then add 70% rubbing alcohol
RESULT: Makes very very fine hair like spikes (regardless of the magnet)

2. type 2.......add a large pinch of sugar to test tube 3/4 full with water...shake it.......THEN add 5-12 drops of ferrofluid , then fill to full and cap it.
RESULT: This makes the large teardrop shapes and diff field effects than #1.

3. type 3.....add ONLY 2 drops (NO MORE!) of ferrofluid....then add mineral oil or baby oil......RESULT? This makes an inertial plane viewer (so-called "Bloch wall")

making them at $1 , Ive made a LOOOOOOOOT of them, people LOVE LOVE them as gifts.


Theyre wonderful field testers, and demo tools, toys, gifts, etc etc.




Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: ramset on July 22, 2014, 02:02:08 PM
Ken
I am told you have a video of a test tube filled with your fluid in_ Vortex_ over  a strong magnet
I cannot find it ??


do you have a link?
thx
Chet
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 02:05:29 PM
Ken
I am told you have a video of a test tube filled with your fluid in_ Vortex


Yes, I have ONE of my new nanoparticle suspensions up, however the video needs to be remade, since I used a crummy nikon camera.

Shoulda used the new Sony  ;D

anyway, here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfqNkmqXfn4



If you could see the image close, it looks identical to a water spout with 2 vortex, one inside the other.

(see very bottom pic)

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: ramset on July 22, 2014, 02:17:38 PM
Ken
That"s the _money shot_     [expression from the "old days"]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfqNkmqXfn4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfqNkmqXfn4)



Send TinMan some of that and let him make a better vid....


you'll have all the replicators you could want...


You in NYC ATM ?


Thx
Chet
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 02:22:58 PM
Ken
That"s the _money shot
You in NYC ATM ?

No, in Ft. Myers Florida not far from Sanibel Island,  Also I live up north (well, kinda up north).    I cant stand the rainy season right now at my home in Ft. Myers  .......rains non stop for 4 months

Well, I have a 3 chip camcorder, I was going to use that for the video, but i need the LARGER DEMO back from my associate I created that hes testing.

Hes testing it for cold and heat, and how it holds up, before we can consider marketing it.

Ive made 2 diff. types of field demo fluids, but they get RUINED if they get too hot.......that also ruins their potential for marketability.
My fave is the ALCOHOL based one above, (not for vortex however), but DONT get it hot, or it will ruin it.   Leave it in a hot car, etc....

But, hell, theyre only $1 each to make.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: ramset on July 22, 2014, 02:35:17 PM
Ken
not trying to mess with your lively hood ,its just that I love tools and measurement


and this fluid will help us to see the fields in motion  and how they react to experiments.


that makes it a tool  and


priceless............


thx
Chet

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: wattsup on July 22, 2014, 06:23:51 PM
@TA

This is my last post on this thread because I see you are on a cloud, looking at things but not understanding why they do what they do, and, even when one attempts to explain, you just ignore everything is if nothing was said. So it is obvious you really do not want to talk shop with anyone serious and would prefer to entertain the masses. David Copperfield did that well indeed creating illusions and calling them magic.

So you have a tube with fluid and magnetic particles that are on the top of your vial and by GRAVITY mass starts to fall but since it is in such a confided are, the falling particles displace fluid that has no other place to go then up. But once the particles get near enough to the magnet, then, call it "magnetic attraction" is pulling on those particles so you get a fine line going down while the fluid is still displaced going up.

You must have needed just enough dust to reach a critical point to produce the effect otherwise to little dust and that smaller trailer would  have fallen down so fast and to much dust and the shown effect would have been too short. So I am sure you played around with the quantity in the vial to get this effect going.

Hmmmmm. You obviously don't know who I am.

That's it man. Tell me, if you leave the tube like that, will all the particles eventually fall to the base of the tube? Yes they will. So where is the force you are talking about creating an upwards vortex. If there was an upward vortex, there should be a vortex rising well above when all the particles are down. There is none. Your optics is just based on what you want to see and not what is really going on. Same goes with the TV patterns of a magnet. They are not magnetic patterns, they are TV patterns when an equal force is applied at one spot (black) onto the pixels and the variable is only angularity from that point outwards. Same goes for your space/field conjectures. So for me, you have nothing man. You obviously did not do your homework and your exposé is just a rabid attempt at plugging all the holes your ideas have generated and from there you will be plugging holes for a long long time to come.

Funny thing though, a theory is supposed to dispel previous notions or clarify present notions or create a new notion. Unfortunately none of that is possible here so for that reason, since time is money, "I'm out". 

I'd rather live in the real world then your world of "freebyisms".

wattsup

PS: I am very disappointed that you did not wind up being someone I could talk to. I have been looking for someone with enough brains to do just that, but, too bad for that. And yeh yeh, I know, I'm the problem because you iz so perfect. Enjoy yourself.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 07:46:31 PM
Ken
not trying to mess with your lively hood ,its just that I love tools and measurement
and this fluid will help us to see the fields in motion  and how they react to experiments.
priceless............
Chet



Oh no, no worries, you're fine.    My NEW solution to show magnetic vortex movement last night still works great

BUT i need to heat test it a bit, otherwise I cannot market it.


however, it works perfect because it creates VERY FINE loooooong thin strings as it flows to the magnetic centripetal, and thats awesome for showing vortex movement.


Awesome time !!  :o  ;D
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 07:57:08 PM
@TA
This is my last post on this thread because I see you are on a cloud, looking at things but not understanding

Nice BS claim.    Have any videos or logic or proof to backup that BS?

why they do what they do, and, even when one attempts to explain, you just ignore everything is if nothing was said. So it is obvious you really do not want to talk shop with anyone serious and would prefer to entertain the masses. David Copperfield did that well indeed creating illusions and calling them magic.


Ohhhhhhhhh so now Im a fucking ILLUSIONIST out to mind-scr3w people???????          ~~~~~~~~~~~Ahhhhhhhhhh    Another NICE  F-ing claim.

Yeah, I spent ALL those years waiting just to TRICK YOU FOLKS.      STFU loser. 

I do the work and experiments, I have both the logic, the proof AND THE RESULTS,       you have  JACK SH*T 


Magic tricks my goddamn ass boy.    I guess you think I mined SCR3WED  TinMan too??????????   AND his video results?????

Demented  POS.


So you have a tube with fluid and magnetic particles that are on the top of your vial and by GRAVITY mass starts to fall but since it is in such a confided are, the falling particles displace fluid that has no other place to go then up. But once the particles get near enough to the magnet, then, call it "magnetic attraction" is pulling on those particles so you get a fine line going down while the fluid is still displaced going up. 


I currently have 13 diff. testing METHODS, moron.      Not "A TUBE"     Got that son???

Son, boy,   I use PLENTY OF METHODS that have NOTHING to with A: zapped magnets    OR   B: fluid suspensions.

Again, shut your hole.     You have BS claims and NOTHING MORE, go sit and spin on them.



Hmmmmm. You obviously don't know who I am.
 


Yes I do, youre the fucking idiot that thinks Im an "Illusionist" out to trick people........   just like Tinman and HIS VIDEOS HE DID HIMSELF

Shut your hole.

You DONT HAVE:
logic
proof
evidence
You dont have ANYTHING to back up your half-ass claims




Illusionist,  I REALLY LIKE THAT ONE.................   Demented intellectual PEDOPHILE.........I KNEW given enough time, one of you demented bastards would call me a "magician / Illusionist"

I know 100%  how  Skepticism works, how SOPHISTRY WORKS.

As a consumate expert of Platonism, translator of ancient Greek, expert on PLOTINUS, PROCLUS, DAMASCIUS, SYRIANUS, their works, and their methods, and all the various types of Skepticism, and Atomism they dealt with, I know EVERY SINGLE rancid angle you have, or WILL have , or could have.



That's it man. Tell me, if you leave the tube like that, will all the particles eventually fall to the base of the tube? Yes they will. So where is the force you are talking about creating an upwards vortex. If there was an upward vortex, there should be a vortex rising well above when all the particles are down. There is none. Your optics is just based on what you want to see and not what is really going on. Same goes with the TV patterns of a magnet. They are not magnetic patterns, they are TV patterns when an equal force is applied at one spot (black) onto the pixels and the variable is only angularity from that point outwards. Same goes for your space/field conjectures. So for me, you have nothing man. You obviously did not do your homework and your exposé is just a rabid attempt at plugging all the holes your ideas have generated and from there you will be plugging holes for a long long time to come.
 


Youre forgetting ONE IMPORTANT FACT ASSHOLE, they are not just coming down, but coming down in a CW vortex  OR a CCW vortex (depending on polarity)
That ends that horseshit.

Too bad your goddamn premise about the CRT TUBE  doesn't explain  CW on the centrifugal and CCW on the centripetal ON ONE FACE of the magnet !!!!!!!!  ROFL !!!!!!

One could postulate it as correct if it was ALL MOVING in one direction, but not BOTH inversely at the SAME TIME

So much for that rancid BS.

You flap your fucking lips,  I DO the experiments, .....and there are PLENTY MORE I have not mentioned here due to seeking potential patent rights.
You're nothing but tits on a bull, ....useless



PS: I am very disappointed that you did not wind up being someone I could talk to. I have been looking for someone with enough brains to do just that, but, too bad for that. And yeh yeh, I know, I'm the problem because you iz so perfect. Enjoy yourself.


 I am very disappointed that you dont have a brain.   You are yet another skeptical LOSER in the CULT OF QUANTUM.

Actually Im not, I dont give a damn  ;D  ;D

If I had a 10000 testing methods , youd say "ohhh, well that doesnt prove shit"



I know your type son.  Ive been debating Greek Metaphysics, and translating Prakrit for almost 15 years now, and debated the BEST MINDS alive on highly abstruse topics of nonlinear inductive reasoning and complex topics in Platonic philosophy.

That translates into:   "I can run circles around your ass in ANY debate you want".   

However LOGIC, PROOF, RESULTS, and EXPERIMENTS matter.........the rest is just you flapping your pathetic lips


Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 22, 2014, 10:12:40 PM
@ TA

Im sorry cobba,but im done here. I held great interest in this subject,as i believe you put forward a good case. But looking at the way you speak to those that i concider friends here,it's just turning me off going any further. To get to the truth,we must listen to both sides of the argument-but i feel one side has now gone.

If what i have done can help you out in any way,feel free to use it as you will.

Good luck in your quest.
Brad
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 10:16:00 PM
@ TA

Im sorry cobba,but im done here. I held great interest in this subject,as i believe you put forward a good case. But looking at the way you speak to those that i concider friends here,it's just turning me off going any further.
Good luck in your quest.
Brad


I understand your position, and it is understandable.   ;)

I am a rusty door to be sure in any debate.     Actually however very kind and very giving in person.  (Too kind and too giving actually).


Your position is correct, logical, and understood.   ;)




You had my respect before, during and after.    (Not that you care[d])     

Cheers to you and your great work.     Thumbs up.

But, dont let me being a "rusty door" keep you from working in that arena and experimenting, and INVENTING...

I hope you make the next "BIG X" and make a bucket of cash!!     Honestly I do.




To get to the truth,we must listen to both sides of the argument
Brad



But, there were never  "TWO SIDES" in this thread
.   

There is/was 

A: my premise, evidences, experiments.
Your evidences, your testing.

B:    Other people flapping their lips,  that is not "ANOTHER SIDE",............



I slaughtered their "sacred cow" of GR and QM, of  "particle mysticism"   ;D  ;D  ;D



There never was here any "two sides"  :)
As I stated on page 1 here, I'm not out to convince anyone 
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: mikemongo on July 22, 2014, 10:38:16 PM
Theoria have you tried, or considered suspending your giant neo magnet
and letting your new solution reset while under the neo? 

Might be interesting to watch.

Mike
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 10:59:19 PM
@ TA

Im sorry cobba,but im done here. I held great interest in this subject,as i believe you put forward a good case. But looking at the way you speak to those that i concider friends here,it's just turning me off going any further. To get to the truth,we must listen to both sides of the argument-but i feel one side has now gone.

If what i have done can help you out in any way,feel free to use it as you will.

Good luck in your quest.
Brad

Tinman,

I believe I will have to follow suit.  This could have been a pleasant process, but the OP's abusive nature is just way too difficult to deal with.  We should at least be able to ask what flavor the Kool-Aid is before drinking it.

Thanks for taking the time to perform the experiments and posting your results.

PW

   
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 11:05:28 PM
We should at least be able to ask what flavor the kool-Aid is before drinking it.


 I will quote E. Dollard    "I dont care WHAT you believe, go test and experiment yourself"


Got it?      I'm not a hooker trying to win a "pretty" contest.       I put it out there, like it, dont like it.   Dont care
Hate me,  also don't care.   I will continue to do the work,  what you like, hate, dont like, does'nt matter.



If you DARE think I wanted to win a popularity contest / personality contest with ANYONE here,    that is YOUR fault.


not mine.  ;D

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 11:09:03 PM
Theoria have you tried, or considered suspending your giant neo magnet
and letting your new solution reset while under the neo? 
Might be interesting to watch.

Mike


The Giant NEO is heavy and a dangerous beast, BUT, the giant neo has LARGE VOLUME of magnetism (N48) over a LARGE AREA
However its velocity is low, relatively, at the centrifugal edge.

Also such a HUGE magnet, has a LARGE intermediate centrifugal field between centripetal and centrifugal

It has impressive volume of magnetism, but its power is mostly around its "danger" of hurting you.
However, its volume is so large, it affects a CRT tube from 15 feet away.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: picowatt on July 22, 2014, 11:12:14 PM

Actually however very kind and very giving in person.  (Too kind and too giving actually).

You'd have a very hard time proving this based on your many abusive posts in this thread.

It was, at least, good for a chuckle...
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 22, 2014, 11:17:01 PM
You'd have a very hard time proving this based on your posts in thread.

It was, at least, good for a chuckle...


You dont know me son, you never talked or met me. 


Again, I really dont care.   I've got some mind blowing stuff I've invented I havent even mentioned in this entire thread.    And wont.



A:  Im not selling ANYONE ANYTHING

B: Dont care what you think, feel, believe about me OR the work.

C:  Go experiment yourself, go do the work.

D: Popularity contests are for
-    Hookers, Politicians, Actors, and someone you are DATING........... I am none of those.


If you wanna piss and moan about a book I gave away for free,   FINE.     
Still, not selling you anything,   not trying to convince you of anything.


Go find out for yourself.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 22, 2014, 11:49:59 PM
Tinman:

Not sure if you have moved on in your set of experiments but let me suggest this:

With the electromagnet you notice that the core has what appears to be a bit less than one centimeter of exposed shaft on each end.  Note that the one centimeter of exposed shaft gives you two surfaces that allow for current flow into the electrolyte, the flat top surface and the cylindrical side surface.  It appears that that specific geometry for the exposed current-conducting surfaces will allow current to flow into the electrolyte in nearly the same 3D pattern as the magnetic field.  In other words, the current flow vectors and the magnetic field vectors line up very nicely like this and therefore you get no vortex.

I also note that you did a clip where the magnet (I think) was wrapped in tape so only the flat top surface was exposed and you still got a vortex, but it was clearly different from the first vortex you observed.  Knowing that, it would tend to suggest that if you used insulating tape on the ends of the electromagnet core such that only the top and bottom flat surfaces where exposed, then you will likely observe a vortex.

It would appear that with the electromagnet, the particular geometry was a "fluke" and you got no observable vortex.  It's fascinating how geometry has come into play in such a dramatic way in this particular example.

If you are temped to make the test you may want to simply create a new thread to avoid the high-strung feeling on this thread.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TinselKoala on July 23, 2014, 07:35:27 AM
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As a consumate expert of Platonism, translator of ancient Greek, expert on PLOTINUS, PROCLUS, DAMASCIUS, SYRIANUS, their works, and their methods, and all the various types of Skepticism, and Atomism they dealt with, I know EVERY SINGLE rancid angle you have, or WILL have , or could have.
(sic)
All that... and you still don't know how to enable your spellchecker?
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 23, 2014, 07:45:57 AM
(sic)
All that... and you still don't know how to enable your spellchecker?


Yes, I missed an M,  thanks for that wee bit of minutia that has nothing to do with anything  ;)
You are correct, I don't spell check web chatter.

Since you cannot discuss the topic, I assume that is your fallback? 

Spellbind us with stories like Feynman told who said IAAD (instant action at a distance) was mediated by pixie dust,.......pardon,  rather he said "virtual photons"   ;D

In all honesty son, do you really fall for the nonsense of the Cult of Quantum?

Somehow Tesla managed to squeak out a giant PILE of patents related to EM, dielectrics, and other devices without any notion of the cult of quantum and non-existent particles created ONLY to make equations balance out for Einstein's stooges.





Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: CANGAS on July 23, 2014, 09:37:46 AM
Nice BS claim.    Have any videos or logic or proof to backup that BS?


Ohhhhhhhhh so now Im a fucking ILLUSIONIST out to mind-scr3w people???????          ~~~~~~~~~~~Ahhhhhhhhhh    Another NICE  F-ing claim.

Yeah, I spent ALL those years waiting just to TRICK YOU FOLKS.      STFU loser. 

I do the work and experiments, I have both the logic, the proof AND THE RESULTS,       you have  JACK SH*T 


Magic tricks my goddamn ass boy.    I guess you think I mined SCR3WED  TinMan too??????????   AND his video results?????

Demented  POS.



I currently have 13 diff. testing METHODS, moron.      Not "A TUBE"     Got that son???

Son, boy,   I use PLENTY OF METHODS that have NOTHING to with A: zapped magnets    OR   B: fluid suspensions.

Again, shut your hole.     You have BS claims and NOTHING MORE, go sit and spin on them.




Yes I do, youre the fucking idiot that thinks Im an "Illusionist" out to trick people........   just like Tinman and HIS VIDEOS HE DID HIMSELF

Shut your hole.

You DONT HAVE:
logic
proof
evidence
You dont have ANYTHING to back up your half-ass claims




Illusionist,  I REALLY LIKE THAT ONE.................   Demented intellectual PEDOPHILE.........I KNEW given enough time, one of you demented bastards would call me a "magician / Illusionist"

I know 100%  how  Skepticism works, how SOPHISTRY WORKS.

As a consumate expert of Platonism, translator of ancient Greek, expert on PLOTINUS, PROCLUS, DAMASCIUS, SYRIANUS, their works, and their methods, and all the various types of Skepticism, and Atomism they dealt with, I know EVERY SINGLE rancid angle you have, or WILL have , or could have.




Youre forgetting ONE IMPORTANT FACT ASSHOLE, they are not just coming down, but coming down in a CW vortex  OR a CCW vortex (depending on polarity)
That ends that horseshit.

Too bad your goddamn premise about the CRT TUBE  doesn't explain  CW on the centrifugal and CCW on the centripetal ON ONE FACE of the magnet !!!!!!!!  ROFL !!!!!!

One could postulate it as correct if it was ALL MOVING in one direction, but not BOTH inversely at the SAME TIME

So much for that rancid BS.

You flap your fucking lips,  I DO the experiments, .....and there are PLENTY MORE I have not mentioned here due to seeking potential patent rights.
You're nothing but tits on a bull, ....useless




 I am very disappointed that you dont have a brain.   You are yet another skeptical LOSER in the CULT OF QUANTUM.

Actually Im not, I dont give a damn  ;D  ;D

If I had a 10000 testing methods , youd say "ohhh, well that doesnt prove shit"



I know your type son.  Ive been debating Greek Metaphysics, and translating Prakrit for almost 15 years now, and debated the BEST MINDS alive on highly abstruse topics of nonlinear inductive reasoning and complex topics in Platonic philosophy.

That translates into:   "I can run circles around your ass in ANY debate you want".   

However LOGIC, PROOF, RESULTS, and EXPERIMENTS matter.........the rest is just you flapping your pathetic lips



You have said somewhere that Tesla had a pile of patents. I think I remember that he accumulated hundreds.

You have confessed to having 4 .

Since you represent yourself as being SMART AS THE DEVIL, I wonder why you have only 4. Any fool with $350 US can apply for a US Utility Patent. And almost any fool can write a patent for SOMETHING that almost certainly won't be rejected. And then any fool with about $1,000 US can buy the accepted patent. 

Tesla had at least 5. Or was it 6? In all the excitement I lost count myself  ;).


CANGAS 57
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 23, 2014, 09:47:07 AM
Since you represent yourself as being SMART AS THE DEVIL, I wonder why you have only 4.



Dont recall having said anything about the "devil" comment to which you refer.   

Maybe I was busy taking care of my wife slooowly dying over 10 years from a gleoblastoma brain tumor , of which she needed to be taken care of like a baby.

Course my wife was much much older than me (no, she didn't have money, I made it myself), she was a close close friend I married so her folks would not stick her in a care facility, therefore have legal rights for her to live at home rather than in a hospital (i.e. prison) slowly dying.


Prodigy yes (so-called by my professors at any rate), chess champ in high school and college.  Former Russian translator for Govt. various groups here and there.


However I owe MOST to being well (the best) studied in lost Platonic arts of methodology,   namely retroduction.



You can have the most intelligent electrical engineer on earth, that is SO smart he makes everyone else look like pond scum, but if his mental method is trash, hes not going to discover or invent anything!!!!!!!

You can read a bit about retroduction "Abduction" (problem solving / thinking methodology) in the book "Neoplatonism and Contemp. Thought".


The question then is "what the hell is the big deal"? Well its a lot. Its why Tesla got so far 'down the road'
He had the brains, the FUEL, but the high speed device was his methodological approach he inherited from Roger Boscovich and Plotinus (which Tesla did read)

Tesla said something like (paraphrasing here) ........"Poor Edison!!! All those years trying to perfect a light bulb, if he (only used my method of logic) he could have done it all in no time!!!"
Tesla , his guru Boskovich and others used a wholly lost art of retroductive thinking / approach.


useful but inferior:
Deduction:
I heard so and so say she dropped the needle over there, and bob said the needle was 4" long, so we know what to look for, wind speed indicates since it was dropped from 5 feet up, it should have fallen on THAT side of the haystack.

Induction:
Well, theres a needle in a haystack, it was last seen over there on that side, needles are heavy, so Im going to go looking over there for it

Superior in every way: (Tesla's method)
RETRODUCTION / ABDUCTION:

I know the properties of a needle, I know the properties of Hay...... watch this!
lights a match......POOOF......!! All is gone in a second in a giant flame

Theres the &@**$& needle!!!! Hay burns, metal needles dont.

Problem solved
..........(deduction and induction are still looking in the hay)


Deduction and induction are looking in a murky tub for a gold coin (wisdom, insight, invention, solution).
Retroduction says "scr3w all this nonsense" and pulls the plug and taa-daa, there's the coin.


This type of method is also called via negativa , or Apophasis. Its positing (the answer) thru RAPID negation/ elimination.

If you know the properties of ABCDEFGHIJ..........and X.........and if you are looking for X, then you literally "burn ABCDEFGHIJ into the dirt in a millisecond leaving your answer X" right in front of your feet.


All that "wonderful stuff" the writings, the architecture, the lost secrets of HOW to make things, how to discover things from "dumb people" back 5000+ years ago, (or even Tesla) has its epicenter in via negativa / apophatic / retroductive methodologies.



Tesla, IN THAT PICTURE   (below), has his ONE hand on his head pointing at his brain, and his OTHER hand on his "bible", Boskovich's work..... meaning hes 'channeling' (in a manner) this methodology of thinking to solve the problems to all his issues of his countless inventions, and fantastic stuff.

We give 100% of the credit to Tesla's Brain-Power in his creations / inventions........ really its more like 40%, the 60% IS this/that methodology.



There are some really really intelligent folks with brain power (fuel) out there,.....but their methodological approach to looking at a problem/ invention is literally driving a Yugo, or some broken down old Buick   ;D  ;D


When I worked at Lexmark tech support long time ago, 20+ years ago, all my peers hated my guts, my problem solving "time per call of problem diagnosis" on high end complex business printers was typically 5X less than everyone else.
The managers kept monitoring my calls to wonder how the h3ll I was diagnosing 2000+ part business printers so much faster than everyone else was.
It really is that methodology.

You draw a circle around the problems, and move divergently AWAY from the problem, which is itself a CONVERGENCE to the center , the answer, thru DIvergence from the problems.

You can have DIvergent thoughts leading you from the center, the answer,...... looking for "a BILLION WAYS NOT TO MAKE A LIGHTBULB" (Sorry Edison, but you were a tinkering MORON!!!)
Great, you spend ENDLESS years eliminating the circle just to see/realize the center, which is very dumb.

Or you can realize the nature of ABCDEFG, the circle...... and have DIvergent thoughts FROM the circle (the non-answer) which is , logically necessitated to be so, CONVERGENT thoughts quickly bringing to to the center of the circle, the answer, the solution.


Divergent elimination is CONvergent synthesis (answers, solutions, discovery, invention).


Generically we think of 'divergent' as having useless thoughts going everywhere, but a different kind of divergence is used eliminatively to create a CONvergent 'mental vacuum' of comprehension into the answer of things we seek.


Edison was whacking weeds to invent........ Tesla ,mentally, was throwing gas on the BS and burning it leaving him with the answer.
This is HOW and WHY Tesla invented SO MUCH
and Edison invented , well, not so much



You CANNOT do GOOD invention  / discovery like Edison did (why the hell not? He invented a LOT) , because, for the same reasons Teslas trashed it.


its whacking weeds, creatively, its a time wasting  , a mere TINKERING.


You want a solution, you mentally throw GAS and burn everything you know its not, and you're left with what it IS.     However that really doesnt even fully describe it.


Its a methodology of pure Platonic synthesis.



People have the brains and ignore the method. He11, method is 60% or more of the battle.


All Teslas (most) photos are staged, and the MOST STAGED photo of Tesla, he has his hand on "HIS BIBLE",   >>>>>>>THEORY OF NATURAL PHILOSOPHY by Roger Bosckovich<<<<.  (see pic below)

BOOK IS FREE HERE:
https://archive.org/details/theoryofnaturalp00boscrich

i.e. "Teslas Bible".........careful reading it however, it will make your brain POP



If any of you claim to grasp Tesla WITHOUT having read "his bible", you're just spitting against the wind.


The principles of field convergence / divergence, vector modalities, Platonic retroductive analysis etc etc. That space IS NOTHING, is only an attribute of a field (my next paper) are all within "Tesla's bible".


You must must must read it to grasp Tesla.

Smart people "read the master(s) work"
The smarter people are reading "the reading material OF THE master".
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: CANGAS on July 23, 2014, 10:05:29 AM
posts crossed on the way. my post deleted.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 23, 2014, 10:07:40 AM

Why is your response post so short whereas the "quote" of your post so much longer? One more of your clever tricks?


If you read the above, you will see NO tricks.     I see you didn't even read ANY of it.      Kudos


selective vision I assume
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: CANGAS on July 23, 2014, 10:39:33 AM

If you read the above, you will see NO tricks.     I see you didn't even read ANY of it.      Kudos


selective vision I assume



You assume way the Hell too much and actually know way the Hell too little.

You dumb bastard, I read your post when it was one paragraph, QUOTED it to write a reply. When I saw that you had expanded your post to epic proportions I realized that you had apparently mouse-trapped me. So I erased my post because it was then a non-sequitur.

Many years, actually, decades ago, I was sometimes given to tripping on mental flights of fancy such as your free-wheeling posts. I covered all the important points you have written about and finally realized that they were all essentially meaningless. After the way you have unjustly insulted me, I will piss on your face before I will explain anything that would be helpful to you.

You poor fellow. You are the only man on Earth that has ever been hobbled by unavoidable burdens put upon you by external forces. SOB SOB.

Your silly theorizing seems to be a simplistic rehash of Penrose spinors circa 1950s or whenever. In all the excitement I lost count myself. If you ever manage to invent some useful device that really can help all of humanity then wake me up. So far you sound like you are just one more blathering egomaniacal moron.


CANGAS 59
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 23, 2014, 10:42:16 AM
etc etc etc
CANGAS 59


You just talked a lot, just above......, but said nothing of relevance upon the thread, or the above post on the retroductive methodology of Tesla and genuine experimenters.


I don't fall for fallacies or red herrings.     Insert 25 cents and try again.



Results, experiments, and logic matter. 
   The rest is just noise.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: CANGAS on July 23, 2014, 10:58:49 AM
But, I have replied to the topic. I have denied the worth of anything you have written. And you have failed to show how anything you have written can substantially help the human civilization.

Any observed physical phenomena can be modeled in actually unlimited models. Magnetic forces can be modeled by an unlimited number of specific models. Yours is just one more. What is the difference?

Now go back where you came from. Where you don't get too chilly.




CANGAS 60
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 23, 2014, 11:31:49 AM
But, I have replied to the topic. I have denied the worth of anything you have written. And you have failed to show how anything you have written can substantially help the human civilization.

Any observed physical phenomena can be modeled in actually unlimited models. Magnetic forces can be modeled by an unlimited number of specific models. Yours is just one more. What is the difference?
CANGAS 60


And I can deny the earth is round too,..... how is such insanity different than your baseless nonsense son?

Yes, if it were so easy, someone would have done it by now, .....but nobody did.
One more what son?   There is not another even half as specific.

Magnetic forces?    You meant to say fields.    Forces are dynamic extrapolations between two or more fields or objects.

Forces are resultants from posterior interactions.



Go back to school please.

Too many teenagers in this thread.


Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TinselKoala on July 23, 2014, 11:54:55 AM
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Maybe I was busy taking care of my wife slooowly dying over 10 years from a gleoblastoma brain tumor , of which she needed to be taken care of like a baby.

Now you have committed a mortal sin, in addition to not being able to spell the disease you claim your wife died from.

From the WIKI:
Quote
Glioblastoma multiforme (GBM), WHO classification name (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WHO_classification_of_the_tumors_of_the_central_nervous_system) "glioblastoma", is the most common and most aggressive malignant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malignant) primary brain tumor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_tumor) in humans, involving glial cells (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glial_cell) and accounting for 52% of all functional tissue brain tumor cases and 20% of all intracranial tumors. GBM is rare, with incidence of 2–3 cases per 100,000[clarification needed] in Europe and North America. It presents two variants: giant cell glioblastoma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_cell_glioblastoma) and gliosarcoma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gliosarcoma).
Treatment can involve chemotherapy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemotherapy), radiation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation) and surgery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgery). Median survival with standard-of-care radiation and chemotherapy with temozolomide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temozolomide) is 15 months.[1] Median survival without treatment is 4½ months. Although no randomized controlled trials have been done, surgery remains the standard of care.[2]
There are probably no cases of survival past five years from diagnosis for glio. There are mis-diagnoses, but no survivors. Ten years? You are trading on your wife's disease (if you even ever were married) for sympathy and excuses,  and you are probably lying about it to boot.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 23, 2014, 12:12:27 PM
Now you have committed a mortal sin, in addition to not being able to spell the disease you claim your wife died from.

From the WIKI:There are probably no cases of survival past five years from diagnosis for glio. There are mis-diagnoses, but no survivors. Ten years? You are trading on your wife's disease (if you even ever were married) for sympathy and excuses,  and you are probably lying about it to boot.


The mortal sin was comitted by YOURSELF.

Yes, we call it a "glio" for short. Or a glioblastoma (multiform)

Yes, I accidently spelled it "gleoblastoma", .....Ive been awake for almost 48 hours running TIME SENSITIVE experiments.


There are probably no cases of survival past five years from diagnosis for glio. 


Actually, ASSHOLE, her surgeon, after 8 years told us she was only 1 out of 10 he knew of that survived that long......You were close, but still dead wrong.


You pathetic POS, 
I KNOW goddamn well that something like 98% never make it past 1-3  years.   


She was a PT at St. Marys Hospital in San Francisco......and ask for the PHYSICAL THERAPY Dept. and ask about the late  Denise K Anderson (my wife)

She worked there for years, and collapsed in HER OWN hospital, and was operated on in the very same hospital.


Im calling you on this one, you demented vile POS


below is a pic of her with my pet cockatoo,   see that scar on the right side of head, where there is no hair, where they removed the grapefruit sized tumor.

Maybe you want the marriage and death certificate too?       Call me a liar again, son.

Yes, she lived 10 years and 2 months AFTER the removal of the tumor.   


See her crippled left hand,  her left side only had about 10% function because of the giant tumor removed from her head.


What was that BS about me lying again???


and you are probably lying about it to boot. 


Thats your foot in your mouth right now, slimebag



Dated below marriage certificate,.......See how her signature is all messed up?   Brain tumor, she was left handed, which was ruined after the tumor removal

See the date on the cert?  She signed this long after the tumor removal   She died only few years ago, proving she lived 10 years WITH the diagnosis of the glio brain tumor , a glioblastoma multiforme


Now, you're 100% refuted,  period.



Congrats on being proven a goddamn liar
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: minnie on July 23, 2014, 01:45:20 PM



 I'm sorry to hear that you lost your lovely wife, I know what you must have been
through.
     My then ten year old daughter had just won a cup at a pony event and afterwards
went to stay with her granny. I had a phone call to say she was very ill in a local
hospital.
    The doctors were discussing the case and I said to the surgeon"it's bad then?"
to which he replied "it's worse than that". I rang my mum but I was so upset I
couldn't even speak on the phone.
   Looking back the only clue that something was wrong was that she bumped
into a lady in a shop and she didn't seem aware of what she'd done. The answer
was that she was loosing her sight.
   Have you read Cancer Ward by Solzenhitsyn? The translators have done a
wonderful job.
            John.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on July 23, 2014, 02:45:53 PM
My sincerest sympathies Ken.

This was a very sad reminder of the end suffered by my favorite aunt Rita, who had the type of soul that could never get angry.


To the person who first tried to smear you as a criminal, now this...a new low for the Tinsel Koala entity.

Regards...

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Bob Smith on July 23, 2014, 03:16:42 PM
TK
I've been taking care of a very sick wife for 18 years. Your comments are way below the belt. Do us all a favour and stay away. I have lost all respect for you.
 
TA
You have my respect and admiration as a man and as a generous scholar. Nisi illegitimi carburundum.
Bob
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TinselKoala on July 23, 2014, 03:37:34 PM
You have no idea about my own illnesses or the friends and loved ones I have lost myself, because I DO NOT MENTION THEM HERE. Think about that. The Tattooed Genius has more than once used his wife's illness as an excuse for something he could not do or to tell us how much he has suffered in his "research" or whatever. So it's fair game for comment criticism and discussion. I don't give a flying fuck if people I DO NOT RESPECT similarly disrespect me, and the person who uses their own illnesses or especially the illnesses of their loved ones as some kind of excuse -- is putting themselves out for exactly what they have received from me. Challenging the facts and the claims.
My own experience with losing a loved one to glioblastoma, and others to AIDS, are stories that one or two of the posters on this forum know about, and this is the only time I have mentioned it publicly. Ditto with my own death-defying brushes with illness and my own disabilities, poverty and whatever. They are simply not valid topics for discussion and they are especially not valid excuses, as the Tattooed Genius has used his wife's illness and his devotion to her. And that is why I posted the reference to longterm survival. It is far more likely that her tumor was not actually glioblastoma, than that she survived for ten years, and this is an actual medical opinion.
And posting those photos? Think about that for a while. That is the most disgusting thing I have ever seen on this website. Not because of her image, but because, once again, TA is USING HER ILLNESS for his own purposes.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: steeltpu on July 23, 2014, 07:22:51 PM
Now you have committed a mortal sin, in addition to not being able to spell the disease you claim your wife died from.

From the WIKI:There are probably no cases of survival past five years from diagnosis for glio. There are mis-diagnoses, but no survivors. Ten years? You are trading on your wife's disease (if you even ever were married) for sympathy and excuses,  and you are probably lying about it to boot.

tinsel shi*  you are a real piece of excrement.  you qualify as the lowest form of life i've ever seen on the internet.  unbelievable !!!!!!!!!!!!   you are obviously a very sore loser.  you can't come up with anything that doesn't get blown out of the water by theoria so you stoop to this kind of crap.  calling him out for a one letter misspelling on a disease that slowly took his wife's life?    i can't think of bad enough words to describe such a pos as you.  mold is a higher form of life than you.  it's an insult to mold to even compare you to it.  FU
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on July 23, 2014, 07:38:35 PM
The truth of the matter actually is that TA "used his wife's illness" to defend himself from another scurrilous accusation from TK.

And...if he did not - then he would have been labeled a liar for the next ten posts or so by a host of forum dingos.

While TK used the illness of someone else merely to attempt to do some damage control to try to salvage whatever credibility he had left, which he just ran through the shredder.

Regards...
 

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 23, 2014, 07:45:06 PM
The Genius has more than once used his wife's illness as an excuse


I mentioned her once in passing, and secondly as a half-joke premise FOR WHY I have been too busy.  Pathetic

It is far more likely that her tumor was not actually glioblastoma, than that she survived for ten years, and this is an actual medical opinion.

Well suuuuuure,  Im sure that the TWO LABS used (yes, two) to confirm it as a NASTY Glioblastoma tumor were WRONG,   and your wild ass guess is RIGHT ??!!!

Thats REAL SCIENCE ehhh?     YOUR GUESS   vs.  2 LABS

And posting those photos? Think about that for a while. That is the most disgusting thing I have ever seen on this website. Not because of her image, but because, once again, TA is USING HER ILLNESS for his own purposes.

How does that work SON?  I posted the photos to PROVE you are >>>>>>>>> A: a LIAR, and  >>>>>>>>> B: DISPROVE you calling me a liar <<<<<<   


Im not SELLING anything to anyone here in case you forgot.....,    ****pretty damn sure my dead wife has NOTHING AT ALL to do with magnetism****  or the work I stand behind,  NOR DID I CLAIM IT DID.


I recall making ONE reference to my wife ( I could have made 2, but 1 was an answer to a question), .......>>I DONT RECALL using her as a support system for my work<<.........what kind of INSANITY IS THAT????????



Heres your FINAL PROOF,  since (like a true Skeptic) you always need  "mooooooore proof" of something.     Heres her badge from her job,  sitting on top of her ASHES


Maybe I invented that too??,   since you're the second person to accuse me of being an illusionist / hoaxer . 

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: d3x0r on July 23, 2014, 08:49:49 PM
@theoriaApophis


Thoughts about the SEG? 
http://www.overunity.com/5614/searl-effect-generator-seg-and-inverse-gravity-vehicle-igv/#.U9ADSvldV48 (http://www.overunity.com/5614/searl-effect-generator-seg-and-inverse-gravity-vehicle-igv/#.U9ADSvldV48)
 actually that's a pertty poor intro...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKu4U8IO2V4&list=UUxIcRDPZUB3BtYEXLUUyxeA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKu4U8IO2V4&list=UUxIcRDPZUB3BtYEXLUUyxeA)
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: john_doe on July 24, 2014, 02:24:34 AM
What i need is a big 2 or 3 inch neo to do these test with-that would look awsome. But as per usual,i cant get one that size here in OZ-all out of stock apparently lol.

Tinman,
I have 24 3"x2" in the cupboard. I've got some bigger ones but I'm using them. You're welcome to "borrow" most of what I have for testing if you don't break it or yourself
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: john_doe on July 24, 2014, 03:11:49 AM
You have no idea about my own illnesses or the friends and loved ones I have lost myself, because I DO NOT MENTION THEM HERE. Think about that. The Tattooed Genius has more than once used his wife's illness as an excuse for something he could not do or to tell us how much he has suffered in his "research" or whatever. So it's fair game for comment criticism and discussion. I don't give a flying fuck if people I DO NOT RESPECT similarly disrespect me, and the person who uses their own illnesses or especially the illnesses of their loved ones as some kind of excuse -- is putting themselves out for exactly what they have received from me. Challenging the facts and the claims.
My own experience with losing a loved one to glioblastoma, and others to AIDS, are stories that one or two of the posters on this forum know about, and this is the only time I have mentioned it publicly. Ditto with my own death-defying brushes with illness and my own disabilities, poverty and whatever. They are simply not valid topics for discussion and they are especially not valid excuses, as the Tattooed Genius has used his wife's illness and his devotion to her. And that is why I posted the reference to longterm survival. It is far more likely that her tumor was not actually glioblastoma, than that she survived for ten years, and this is an actual medical opinion.
And posting those photos? Think about that for a while. That is the most disgusting thing I have ever seen on this website. Not because of her image, but because, once again, TA is USING HER ILLNESS for his own purposes.

I normally won't get involved in a dispute on a forum because to be frank, internet personae don't mean anything without the time you've invested in them.
It's just plain silly to forget the basic fact that you're all upset about the time you've invested into this forum not being "recognised" by someone that's new and simply doesn't feel the same way about the internet.
TA is overexcited because he sees the possibilities for future avenues of science. He probably doesn't understand the correlation between the time you guys have invested and probably just doesn't care if you're offended.

That being said; I have a sister that has suffered with the same condition that was given 5 years also. She's just turned 22 and was diagnosed at 14. I also have a daughter with Cystic Fibrosis that has a life expectancy of 25. 

I was hit by a car traveling at 100k/h on my motorbike and now suffer more pain than most can even contemplate and avoid ALL communication with the outside world for THEIR safety. IE: If someone cuts me off or were stupid enough to do something wrong to me it would be a very bad day for them.

In other words, time is more valuable than money. Patience is something I just don't have anymore and stupidity is likely to direct you to the hospital if you're around me because the world made me hurt so (if you believe in such things) god help you if you do something wrong by me.

Moving forward:
I understand TA's position and have very little patience for people myself. All he has asked everyone on this forum is to read a 100ish page book, give it some of your valuable time and if you have ideas / concerns or want to discuss it he's available.

Not that hard really.....
PS:
I intentionally put spelling mistakes in.
Derailing someone is easy. Understanding someone else's position is hard.
There are many scientists that lost valuable positions in science because of the exact attitudes that have been shown here. It's amazing that most on this forum can't seem to realise that we're the only ones interested in bringing about "new energy" "free energy" ideas and giving them to the public. If we don't work with each other, it's never going to happen until it can be controlled, or the population can be controlled.

Putting resources toward an interest is the main reason people want to "earn" (money) TA might want to be "in charge" of funneling some of that money toward cancer research? No one knows another persons intentions.
Excitement isn't an excuse to push people away though. Which is all I can see he's done. (He doesn't want people to get too close, anyone can see it)
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 24, 2014, 04:05:45 AM

In other words, time is more valuable than money. Patience is something I just don't have anymore and stupidity is likely to direct you to the hospital if you're around me because the world made me hurt so (if you believe in such things) god help you if you do something wrong by me.

Moving forward:
I understand TA's position and have very little patience for people myself. All he has asked everyone on this forum is to read a 100ish page book, give it some of your valuable time and if you have ideas / concerns or want to discuss it he's available.



Everyone has been thru the "meat grinder" of life differently, some not at all, some a lot.....etc.
Just because someone is a grumpy asshole on a web forum doesn't mean that is who they are at all.



All those cruel sadistic SOB that end up in jail because there were "bodies found" etc in their basement, etc........... Neighbors always say on the TV news....... "Ohhh, he was such a good neighbor, SO KIND"


Its the "nice / kind people"  I trust the least, often they're two-faced as hell.     ;D
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on July 24, 2014, 04:29:28 AM
Theo A came here presenting a sizable volume of research and was immediately confronted with this forums worst nitpicker knowitall and naysayer, who presented nothing but antagonistic needling, followed by others of his kind and an assortment of gullible followers duped into drinking their kool aid...one of which finally saw the value in what TA was saying and decided to try something.

And what do you know, he made a significant discovery.


TA quote:

" I am not part of the "free energy" crowd of fools and nut jobs, and genuine overunity is impossible.   One might get "overunity" by drawing enormous power from natural sourced, but thats just "free movement" coupling.

I never mention free energy, or alternative energy, or overunity etc etc. "



Until recently, I personally believed that that 'free energy' from the ether was attainable.

That is not to say my position was not open to change when presented with reason to question my position by someone demonstrating an unusual degree of knowledge and experience...otherwise I would be offended by that judgement, and become just another ego driven guy arguing my position, and being called 'son' by someone likely younger than I.

Oh, the ignominy !

Knowing when to shut up and listen is the key to learning.

And unless people are allowed to freely express their ideas nothing will be learned.

I am also aware of Tesla's statement regarding connecting with the wheel work of nature, and until recently failed to realize that my idea of free energy wasn't actually free at all...it just needed a small input to start the wheel work moving.

Position modified...there is no free energy...but there is really really really cheap energy.

Now maybe we can get something done...together !

Regards...

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 24, 2014, 05:27:19 AM
It's a good thing to challenge ideas, and that's a two-way street.  But the notion that challenging someone's ideas automatically shuts down what they are doing is false.  If someone is passionate and knowledgeable about their subject then they should be able to defend their position without a freak-out or playing one of many "cards" that can be played.

Likewise if someone presents themselves as some kind of high-thinker or some kind of authority on a subject, or they present themselves as someone very knowledgeable about some kind of new area of study in a given field, then they are clearly suggesting that they know what they are talking about.  If you suspect that they don't know what they are talking about and it's all a sham, then a few litmus test questions can reveal a lot about the person presenting the proposition.  Are they real or is it all just peacock strutting nonsense?

Take the example of "Fix the World" and the Quantum Energy Generator.  The whole thing is complete nonsense.  James Robitaille was presented to the world as some kind of electrical engineering genius inspired by Tesla.  However, his paper trail has shown that to clearly be a FAKE.

Take the example of Daniel Nunez and selling his bird's next coils for $300-$600 a pop.  All that you have to do, with the caveat that you must know your stuff, is watch a few Nunez clips and you quickly realize that he is totally clueless, he is a FAKE.  He just wants an easy way to make money.

Take the example of the "Quanta Magnetics" guy.  He builds beautiful pulse/Bedini motors that do nothing special and he charges a fortune for them.  But yet again, he is totally clueless and has no idea what he is doing or how the motors he builds actually work.  He just wants a way to make easy money.

Daniel Nunez and the Quanta Magnetics guy would croak if they were asked any serious questions about what they are doing.  Yet it's arguable that both of them have a leadership role and many people look up to them.

And you have seen the same pattern on this forum.  Somebody has a "wild" new proposition.  Okay, let's do some due diligence and ask them a few questions.  If they croak when they get the questions then you know there is a serious problem.

We can't just swim in ignorance like a bunch of Bozo fish on dope.  It helps people that don't know one way or the other to learn from the discussion.

It's like how many people can possibly keep track of what the best motherboard and memory is if you want to build a high-end PC.  Do you spend a week reading online trying to figure it all out or do you call up your unbiased friend that builds PCs on a regular basis?

So those are some of the issues to consider.  I have qualified this thread and the person behind it and it's a farce.  Farce or not, many people have left the thread from the constant abuse.

This thread has nowhere to go because there is no substance behind it.  Whether it is just pure buffonery for the sake of ego or if it is sincere but ridiculously misdirected "research" is hard to tell.  Either way, rational comments about the truth behind the matter contribute real value to this forum.  The nitpicking is coming from the other side of the fence.

You can always cast your eyes to the side if it suits you.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 24, 2014, 05:28:36 AM
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And what do you know, he made a significant discovery.

Tinman has not discovered anything at all.  He is just exploring how current flow and magnetic fields interact and having fun doing it.  You insult science when you make stupid or ignorant statements like that.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 24, 2014, 05:32:25 AM
Take the example of Daniel Nunez and selling his bird's next coils for $300-$600 a pop.
Take the example of the "Quanta Magnetics" guy.  He builds beautiful pulse/Bedini motors that do nothing special and he charges a fortune for them.


You SEE me trying to SELL ANYTHING HERE?     NO

Will I ?       NO and DOUBLE NO




This thread has nowhere to go because there is no substance behind it.


100,000 % Bullshit 
         TinMan got "inspired" of/regarding into about conjugate magnetic vortex,...............and came up with new stuff INSTANTLY

I have sitting in the back 'wings' here multiple potential patents, and 2 "100% certain patents"


There is an ENTIRELY NEW transmission device based upon the Z-axis radial dielectric modulation (as I mention at the end of the book) by another person WHO ALREADY HAS A PATENT on the device

I was just on the phone with him today for almost 2 hours.
He already owns 8 patents.   He has MORE CRED than ALL OF YOU PUT TOGETHER


So,  TRIPLE BULLSHIT on your last.

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 24, 2014, 05:38:53 AM
Tinman has not discovered anything at all.


Nice CLAIM, but regardless of being wrong about Tinman............I however have, but unlike his kind heart, I'm not disclosing unfolding immanent patents online to anyone.


....and the other (I will not name him) person I was on the phone with just some hours ago,  he DOES HAVE A just-received PATENT based upon magnetic deflection of a radial dielectric in TEM



You insult science and experimenters / inventors when you make stupid or ignorant statements like that.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 24, 2014, 05:41:15 AM
Who says you have to sell anything for money?  If you are not asking for money does that give someone legitimacy?

The answer is no, whether or not you are selling something is not relevant - what is relevant is what you are stating and if it makes sense or not.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 24, 2014, 05:47:42 AM
If you are not asking for money does that give someone legitimacy?

Tell me boy, WHEN did YOU become the "printing press" for the currency of LEGITIMACY ???   ;D


Yeah, thats right,... you're petting your knob with that premise.



Heres a mental image,   you and me in front of a crowd,.
......Im debating the premise of magnetic centrifugal and centripetal vortex field conjugation

You, against same....



I have the logic,  LOTS of physical models, and testing equipment for the crowd to see, LOTS,   and some not even mentioned here.
What do you have?     So far only this:  "hes wrong"

I dont gamble, but I'd bet the farm on the outcome of that conference.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 24, 2014, 05:47:49 AM
I am encouraging Tinman to do what he is doing.  Picowatt explained why there was no Lorentz force on the water to get it to form a vortex in the case of the solenoid.  That will likely be confirmed through good experiments soon.  That took the wind out of your victory jig.

There is no insulting of science going on - you saw good science the other day while we discussed the possibilities and explored possible explanations and suggested new tests - while you sat mute on the sidelines - another litmus test in action.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 24, 2014, 05:53:37 AM
That will likely be confirmed through good experiments soon.



Radical Skepticism:
    A  "good experiment" is only one in which the outcome AGREES with the skeptics long held (FALSEHOODS) and deeply cherished conclusions.

I have seen and mastered every trick you've "got".   The Greeks mastered all the divergent agendas planted within fallacies and sophistry. Study of same is the best "weapon" in dealing with nonsense.


Never tangle with someone who can see thru all modes of fallacies



Your sacred cow
, GR and QM (the cult of quantum) is a fantasy.


Its a mental fahrt of Einstein and his ilk         Einstein in his insanity committed the fallacy of ATTRIBUTE REIFICATION

His premise is that SPACE is "something" that 'does things' and  "acts on things"  ...... it doesn't.


Fields,  charge-discharge, divergent-convergent, spatial-counterspatial


Nature doesnt "do" relativity.         C squared is only an expression of the conjugate nature between magnetism and dielectricity in electrification


watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbdtTwBVgZw
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 24, 2014, 05:56:18 AM
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Heres a mental image,   you and me in front of a crowd,.......Im debating the premise of magnetic centrifugal and centripetal vortex field conjugation

Here is a mental image:  You have a circuit that consists of a power supply and a single component.  You are asked a question about the circuit with a single solitary component and you can't answer it - another big litmus test fail.

"I discuss my new theory of magnetism but I am unable to solve a simple question about a ridiculously simple circuit that involves magnetism."

That's the likely result based on qualifying you.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 24, 2014, 06:00:18 AM
Here is a mental image:  You have a circuit


Thats called the "home arena fallacy"

Again, dont tangle with someone who can see thru your BS.  It doesn't work.

Edison asked Einstein what the speed of sound was,  Einstein did'nt know.     Edison said that Einstein must be a fool not to know something so common.


Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 24, 2014, 06:03:01 AM
Home arena my ass.  Everything is pointing to the likelihood that you would croak just like you croaked with every single other litmus test question I asked you.  You are unable to demonstrate competence in this subject matter.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 24, 2014, 06:04:51 AM
Home arena my ass.  Everything is pointing to the likelihood that you would croak just like you croaked with every single other litmus test question I asked you.  You are unable to demonstrate competence in this subject matter.


Yes, you are king of a nutshell, nothing exists outside that shell.


Keep hocking your wares to the dumb people.  Wooden nickels dont work in this slot machine.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MileHigh on July 24, 2014, 06:08:44 AM
You are scared because you don't want to show the world how you can't even answer a question about a simple circuit with a power supply and a single component.

"Twenty years of schooling and they put you on the day shift."
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on July 24, 2014, 06:44:36 AM
Never has one 'known' so much and accomplished so little...well nothing actually.

Regards...



Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: SeaMonkey on July 24, 2014, 08:25:22 AM
You are scared because you don't want to show the world how you can't even answer a question about a simple circuit with a power supply and a single component.

"Twenty years of schooling and they put you on the day shift."


Miles,

Some of your utterances are simply inexplicable!  You're
obviously a mature man with what seems a childish
sense of superiority blended with a profound fear of
being perceived as less knowledgeable than your
adversaries.

Or, should we say, your "targets?"

Why you expend so much energy in pursuit of drama
is an intriguing proposition, to say the least.

This discussion has proven to be exceedingly fascinating
both from a technical/scientific standpoint as well as the
human relations standpoint.

It is refreshing to observe an experimenter who is well
learned in the arts and who is able to fend off his attackers
brilliantly.

The conversation is reminiscent of those on a clear summer's
eve under starry skies with calm seas when sailors gather
on the fantail to tell "sea-stories."   To a casual observer
it would seem that the participants were bitter enemies
but in truth are the best of friends.  Sailors have a keen sense
of bullshit detection and any who come on with bum scuttlebutt
are lambasted with most colorful and creative invective.

Such is the life of men who go to sea.

Those were the days...
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: picowatt on July 24, 2014, 09:05:14 AM
I am encouraging Tinman to do what he is doing.  Picowatt explained why there was no Lorentz force on the water to get it to form a vortex in the case of the solenoid.  That will likely be confirmed through good experiments soon.  That took the wind out of your victory jig.

There is no insulting of science going on - you saw good science the other day while we discussed the possibilities and explored possible explanations and suggested new tests - while you sat mute on the sidelines - another litmus test in action.

Actually, picowatt explained nothing.  I did however make a testable speculation, and Tinman was kind enough to perform an experiment regarding that.

I was intrigued by the vortex/no-vortex experiment using a PM and EM.  I believe there are an entire series of experiments that can be performed to further study why there was spin with the PM and not the EM.  However, I do not believe that the observed differences regarding the spin/vortex between the PM and EM "proves" anything regarding the OP's claims.  Further testing regarding the observed differences between the PM and EM may, or may not, in the end lend support to those claims, but until then, all one can state with any certainty is merely what is observed under the conditions present at the time of the experiments.  There remains far too many untested variables to draw any conclusions. 

Tinman was kind enough to perform the tests that he did, and although the observed spins using the PM seem readily explainable by conventional theory, further testing might change that opinion.  However, the PM versus EM differences seemed the most easy to work with, as the effect was readily observable and repeatable.  As Tinman seemed willing to do a test now and again, we might actually have progressed towards a further understanding of those observed differences. The entire process and discussions could have been a pleasant and possibly enlightening exercise.

However, this has got to be the ugliest thread anyone has seen in a long time, and there have been some doozies in the past.  Some areas of discussion that this thread has swung into are just unbelievable.  The level of personal attacks, unfounded accusations, condescension, overuse of bold and outright disrespect are just way off the charts.  The whole thread should be pasted over to a psych forum as fodder for discussion there.   

It really is quite ridiculous.  Is this the humanity we wish to save?   

But hey, no worries, the Holocene/6th Great extinction marches on...

PW
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Farmhand on July 24, 2014, 11:07:44 AM
If it is supposed that a permanent magnet has a magnetic vortex then I suppose it must be a kinetic structure.
And as such, if it was in fact true then we should be able to place a coil at some angle to a permanent magnet pole
and it should produce an emf all on it's own.

Or is there two opposing vortices at each pole ? So that one cancels the effect of the other. As per Walter Russell.

And by the way why not cite his work ?

I must say that using fluids and disregarding fluid dynamics as well as other than magnetic forces/effects at play is not very scientific.

In my opinion the only real way to show definitively a magnetic vortex from a magnet pole would be to take the fluids out of the
situation, including air or as much air as possible and use high speed photography to catch a sequence of  images showing
snapshots of a vortex in action.

Does my picture below count as intertwined vortices ? It requires appropriate positioning of the break out point in relation to the
toroid terminal to get the effect going well.

..
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 24, 2014, 12:04:17 PM

..



Magnetism is radiation by definition.

its the conjugate necessitated discharge co-eternal principle of dielectricity AND the terminus of electricity.

But , as IS ABSOLUTE FACT, Phi x Psi = Q,   Electricity , being an Ether modality is the  Ether in dynamic polarization, AS SUCH it is more accurate to say that , rather than Electricity TERMINATING INTO Magnetism, it is correct to say that Electricity loses its charging nature, or half-component of dielecticity due to:
A: dissipation
B: coil formations   ....induction,
etc.


That BOTH electricity and gravity mass have MUTUAL co-principles of BOTH dielectricity AND magnetism is NO coincidence, they are both the by-products of magneto-dielectricity in formation (and degeneration)  .......(chart below).


Harvesting the pressure velocities (at the centrifugal point) of magnetism, Im afraid, is like squeezing a balloon in a PINCH,  you got MORE on one end, hurray, but less on the other, the field pressure mediation is instant and unavoidable.


Maxwell called magnetism the “field of dielectricity”
Dielectricity in discharge = magnetism
Discharge = polarization = radiation = space (itself) = divergence
All generation must terminate, that termination MUST be curvilinear, circular


necessitated curvilinear discharge
is only due to both charge and discharge operating on (rather off) the same universal fulcrum, the Ether itself sans perturbation.

Why cant people make things simple ,  Space is the product of discharge, of radiation, of magnetism which gives volume to the entire universe.

Electricity NOR dielectricity give any VOLUME (=polarization) to any part of the universe,   Even in galactic formations where the fundamental particle is created, its spin immediately produces its atomic volume in picometers due to discharge/magnetism/polarization/space (all one and the same thing)




All magnetism is necessitated radiation, is divergent,    Gravity/mass is HALF dielectric and HALF magnetism, which is why it is spatially accumulative but counterspatial in field.
Electricity is HALF dielectric, and HALF magnetism, which is why it is spatially polarized and but counterspatial in principle




Ether is the Ether is the Ether,   ;D  ;D........to claim magnetism, gravity, dielectricity and electricity as 4 wholly DIFFERENT things (ultimately) , is senseless and impossible.




If ORIGAMI /paper can teach you anything,  you can turn mere paper into either a deadly weapon, or something soft enough to wipe your nuggets with.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: MasterPlaster on July 24, 2014, 12:15:37 PM

Miles,

Some of your utterances are simply inexplicable!  You're
obviously a mature man with what seems a childish
sense of superiority blended with a profound fear of
being perceived as less knowledgeable than your
adversaries.

Or, should we say, your "targets?"

Why you expend so much energy in pursuit of drama
is an intriguing proposition, to say the least. .........................



You are too kind in your summation of what you are observing.
The nature of the attacks on Ken look more like the works of paid disinformation agents. After all why would a creative person
spend his time instead of developing his own work trying to demolish someone else's? This also applies to people who have
no thought of their own. The word jealousy comes to mind.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 24, 2014, 12:51:17 PM
OK-well i said i was out,but this deserves to be right here.

Tonight i have confirmed that there is two vortex spins that are opposite to one another. So in my case(my setup as seen in video)the right hand rule dosnt seem to apply to one of the two situations of my setup. Im not sure that this would be the case in a standard homopolar motor setup,but in the water test setup of mine,i can (with out a doubt) confirm that there is defently two spins that apose one another. This seems to confirm TA's picture below.

I think this one is the money shot guy's.Maybe it's time to open your minds.
I am uploading the video now,and will post it here in this thread as soon as it's done. In the mean time,i am going to the work shop,and shooting another video with fixed magnets. First will be with the tape around the magnet,and then i will remove the tape,and run the test again.I will also use a compass to show the field is the same,and a volt meter so as you can see the polarity hasnt been changed.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 24, 2014, 01:03:33 PM

I think this one is the money shot guy's.Maybe it's time to open your minds.
I am uploading the video now,and will post it here in this thread as soon as it's done. In the mean time,i am going to the work shop,and shooting another video with fixed magnets. First will be with the tape around the magnet,and then i will remove the tape,and run the test again.I will also use a compass to show the field is the same,and a volt meter so as you can see the polarity hasnt been changed.


Awesome work!!!! 

Great stuff.


As a note, I keep forgetting that most everyone looks at polarization TOP DOWN rather than how I always look at spin direction which is HOW it is (before it breaks the surface) leaving....., which is from the 'inside OUT' on a magnet, so I need to amend that picture to avoid confusion. ;D

N pole is CCW looking down, from HOW it LEAVES the magnet itself , it is CW ........as such, to avoid ANY confusion, I amended that diagram. >>>>

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 24, 2014, 01:17:21 PM

You really wanna blow your mind,  ;D  ;D  ;D   :o ......(yes, Rawles and Davis reported on this 30 years ago)

Watch how much faster SEEDS sprout and grow if placed on top of a LARGE MAGNET SOUTH POLE than on the north pole.


North pole growing Alfalfa sprouts sprout SLOWER, WEAKER, and more PUNY than South Pole exposed alfalfa ..........(just one example)

HOW RADICAL a difference you ask?           >>>>>>>>>>>   A LOT <<<<<<<<<<<<

I have done the experiment many times, heres yet another example pictured below Im doing.

Think Im lying, anyone here TRY IT YOURSELF.......... always works.......see pic below,  UNDER THE CLOTH (you cannot see) is a big 2 inch by 2 inch by 1 inch magnet



You cannot really tell at this angle, but the GREEN (south pole) spouts have a LOT more volume and are more robust and bigger, and when they start growing, the first 2 days, they are ALLLLLLLWAYS much faster
(a LOT FASTER)

And..............if you expose tomato seeds to the North pole for a couple days (before planting), you end up with tomatoes that have VERY LOW ACID content.     (test it yourself).

I know the reason WHY this happens (and have proof) in seeds and plants, but I wont publish it until the 3rd edition of the book.  ;D

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 24, 2014, 01:18:10 PM
whoops, duplicate post
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 24, 2014, 03:15:19 PM
Opposite spins shown here in this video.
Please remember-we are looking at MY setup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n358gtR7gr8
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: mikemongo on July 24, 2014, 03:30:54 PM
Here's a visually stimulating image of the big magnet we live on that clearly shows the accretion disc.

Map of all the tropical cyclones from 1985-2005, courtesy  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Global_tropical_cyclone_tracks-edit2.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Global_tropical_cyclone_tracks-edit2.jpg)
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: picowatt on July 24, 2014, 05:00:58 PM
Opposite spins shown here in this video.
Please remember-we are looking at MY setup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n358gtR7gr8

Tinman,

i did not know if you would post, but I knew you would have to play!

Just a few suggestions:

1.  Insulate the shank/threads of the screw  to help clear the field of view

2.  It might be interesting to cut a 3" or so diameter disc from a piece of thin, fairly rigid, clear plastic material and cut a hole in the middle that you can slip the magnet thru.  Ideally the ID of the center hole would be such that it is a slip fit on the magnet OD.

You could perform several tests with the plastic disc in various positions along the magnet's length, i.e., close to the bottom pole, at the center of the magnet, and then near the top pole.

The use of the disc will help isolate any hydrodynamic/bubble flow from the bottom of the magnet (it will be forced outward and awayby the plastic baffle) which might assist in visualizing where flow is occurring.

3.  As well, you might try repeating the tests with/without tape on the sides of the magnet while the bottom pole of the magnet is insulated with a disc of electrical tape.

4.  It might be interesting to visualize/verify the flow in areas where bubbles may not be.  The use of a magic marker, or syringe/tube with food coloring injected comes to mind but eventually will cloud your tank.  Although I am not sure how well you would be able to video through a beaker or jar, moving the experiment over to a smaller container would allow you perform flow visualization within an amount of electrolyte more readily changed when it becomes clouded from ink, dye. or coloring used to visualize flow.

Food for thought:

Keep in mind that even with the tape applied to the sides of the magnet, the bulk resistance of the electrolyte, through which current flows, is generally at a right angle to the magnetic axis.  Also, regarding the observed flow, keep in mind that during electrolysis, there are ions involved.  As H2 is generated in a given area, the negative ions formed there are repelled away from that area.

The point is, it may be that we are seeing the effects of both (A.) bulk current flow generally towards, and at right angle to, the magnetic axis and hence a homopolar effect, and as well (B.), the repulsion of negative ions as they are formed during H2 production.  By convention, charges (or ions) of opposite polarity will be deflected in opposite directions by a given magnetic polarity.  As well, the current flow through the bulk resistance (electrolyte) experiences the fields of the magnet regardless of whether or not the magnet is insulated, so as bulk current flow becomes sufficient, it is not unreasonable to expect that the homopolar effect would dominate over any observed ion "wind".


PW
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Acca on July 24, 2014, 06:44:09 PM
 To: TheoriaApophasis 
 
 
Here below is the thread by Mark Snoswell, he was posting seven years ago on magnet vortex spin, I know that you will like this… Now Mark is the chief technology officer at http://www.chavaenergy.com/ (http://www.chavaenergy.com/)
 
Dr. Mark Snoswell, Chief Technology Officer: Dr. Mark Snoswell graduated from Adelaide University with an Honours degree in Biochemistry in late 70s. Mark has a diverse career since then including: PhD in Biotechnology/Biochemistry; CTO of Torson Inc – a global sports biomechanics and edutainment company; Founder and Chairman of Ballistic Media – a global corporation that includes BallsiticPublishing.com and the CGSociety.org; Mark is also the President of the CGSociety. More recently Mark has been developing breakthrough concepts for how our universe works and new devices to generate clean and abundant power using solid state electromagnetic systems.
 
 
http://www.overunity.com/2764/spinor-resonance-explanation-for-tpu-like-devices/#.U9EyaKyLN8U (http://www.overunity.com/2764/spinor-resonance-explanation-for-tpu-like-devices/#.U9EyaKyLN8U)
 
 
 
Here are may old clips, looks like we are on the same track…
 
Thanks for the book !!! Now the was allot of effort !! Don’t let the ass*oles get you distracted ….
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1TnGGeeP0I&list=UUKp4xN6pwIVRqiKhtdc_Wsw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1TnGGeeP0I&list=UUKp4xN6pwIVRqiKhtdc_Wsw)
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXifaqdbLhs&index=37&list=UUKp4xN6pwIVRqiKhtdc_Wsw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXifaqdbLhs&index=37&list=UUKp4xN6pwIVRqiKhtdc_Wsw)
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR7c4iXum-A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR7c4iXum-A)
 
 
Ps..
 
“MileHigh you don’t exist  !!! your words a worthless even with some 3000 posts !!”
 
Don’t respond….!!
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: picowatt on July 24, 2014, 07:10:43 PM
Opposite spins shown here in this video.
Please remember-we are looking at MY setup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n358gtR7gr8

Tinman,

As an additional test of any ion "wind" mentioned in my previous post, you might consider reversing polarity on your tank and try generating O2 at the magnet instead.  Keeping track of the magnet polarity, perform the test generating H2 first (with the sides taped for clarity) and then reverse polarity on the tank to produce O2 at the magnet (assuming you can produce sufficient O2 for visualization).  Note what effect the two polarities have regarding the spins observed at the pole piece and when motoring.

PW
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: ramset on July 24, 2014, 07:28:06 PM
ACCA
Thank you for the reminder,  Mark S is a good fellow and quite approachable ...


I think I will give him a ring to see if he has any comments on this [ also to invite his input]


thx
Chet
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on July 24, 2014, 07:53:44 PM
Just wondering whether a magnet strong enough to be suspended by a ball bearing would free up the magnet enough to spin opposite to the vortex.

Regards...


Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: picowatt on July 24, 2014, 08:15:26 PM
Just wondering whether a magnet strong enough to be suspended by a ball bearing would free up the magnet enough to spin opposite to the vortex.

Regards...

If whatever emanates from the poles of a magnet has an actual physical spin as TA depicts, is it unreasonable to expect that two like poles in axial alignment and proximity would cause the magnets to spin?  Fairly easy to test.  If necessary it may also be possible to devise an experiment using open center cylindrical magnets wherein the "centripetal" field/flux is routed through the center of the cylindrical magnets to the opposing pole so that the majority of the flux being tested for rotation involves primarily the more external "centrifugal" flux.

As well, if there are indeed physically rotating fields, it would be reasonable to expect that two magnets placed side by side with their magnetic axes parallel and supported by bearings to rotate when brought into proximity.

If the vortex observed in all these experiments utilizing current flow to generate H2 exist solely as a property of the magnet alone, and not the interaction of electric/ion currents flowing in proximity to the magnet, should not that vortex or spin cause magnets aligned as above to also spin?

With the many attempts made to create PM only motors, why has this spin not yet been observed?

Possibly TA's diagrams refer only to motionless field polarities/vectors emanating to/from the magnetic poles.

PW
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 24, 2014, 09:13:13 PM
If necessary it may also be possible to devise an experiment using open center cylindrical magnets wherein the "centripetal" field/flux is routed through the center of the cylindrical magnets to the opposing pole so that the majority of the flux being tested for rotation involves primarily the more external "centrifugal" flux.

PW



Here is the view of ONLY THE CENTRIPETAL (center point ONLY) vortex as filmed thru a pair of optical glass with micron thin FERROFLUID in between , and ringed by LED lights

however even using 2 lights, you can see the same thing


THIS IS CENTRIPETAL IMAGE ONLY pictured below,   NO CENTRIFUGAL IS SHOWN


THEN, I show you BOTH, with a bit of the ringed centriFUGAL  around the centripetal




THEN,  pictured below [as found in the book] BASED UPON MY CALCULATIONS (before seeing these REAL FIELD (not created) IMAGES), IS MY PREDICTION OF THEIR APPEARANCE,......WHICH IS 100% IDENTICAL


Necessitated field INTERLACING..........centrifugal against centripetal, and centripetal against centrifugal   makes this geometry not only "possible"  >>>>> but 100% ABSOLUTELY MANDATORY, necessitated, it cannot exist any other way.   <<<<<<

How do opposite fields "movements" [since movement itself is really a mirage posterior to the field itself]......(this time referring to magnetism only as per CW against CCW, and CCW against CW) conjugate at max velocity with the LOWEST SPATIAL DISTENTION in their mutual reciprocation???  They vortex around and 'thru each other' IN this pattern and ONLY THIS PATTERN

Pressure, anti-spatial (counterspatial) opposite moving distentions (radiations) necessitate (Greeks called this ANANKE) this magneto-spatial geometry.

The key point everyone 'misses' is that magnetism is radiation, is a circular Ether modality, and MUST by its very definition, both in connotation and denotation >>>>>> "create space" <<<<<<<

HOWEVER, circular field reciprocation is EXPRESSED (as it MUST be) by CW and CCW vortex interlacing

Even the vortex itself is a mirage of space and time,     Polarization = space/time = "Space" = radiation.   The "mirage of space" as fields reciprocate upon themselves creates the vortex (while hard to see using normal media) 'painted' upon the canvas of spacetime and as us dumb humans see it with various oddball testing media.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 24, 2014, 09:19:35 PM
Here's a visually stimulating image of the big magnet we live on that clearly shows the accretion disc.

Map of all the tropical cyclones from 1985-2005, courtesy  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Global_tropical_cyclone_tracks-edit2.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Global_tropical_cyclone_tracks-edit2.jpg)


Excellent job..........I have an experiment I keep working on that shows the dielectric inertial plane creates "cyclones" along the 'equator' of the  magnet as well.

However I cannot post pics of this device or experiment (yet),.......but I assure you, yes, it is there

it goes round in waves and undulations and creates, from time to time interesting (what on earth would be) cyclones from the dielectric inertial plane (as you so-called it, the dielectric accretion disk)


So tired, been resetting experiments for days,  only few hours sleep for past few days.

thumbs up.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 24, 2014, 09:21:54 PM
To: TheoriaApophasis 
 
 
Here below is the thread by Mark Snoswell, he was posting seven years ago on magnet vortex spin, I know that you will like this… Now Mark is the chief technology officer at http://www.chavaenergy.com/ (http://www.chavaenergy.com/)
 
Dr. Mark Snoswell, Chief Technology Officer: Dr. Mark Snoswell graduated from Adelaide University with an Honours degree in Biochemistry in late 70s. Mark has a diverse career since then including: PhD in Biotechnology/Biochemistry; CTO of Torson Inc – a global sports biomechanics and edutainment company; Founder and Chairman of Ballistic Media – a global corporation that includes BallsiticPublishing.com and the CGSociety.org; Mark is also the President of the CGSociety. More recently Mark has been developing breakthrough concepts for how our universe works and new devices to generate clean and abundant power using solid state electromagnetic systems.
 
 
http://www.overunity.com/2764/spinor-resonance-explanation-for-tpu-like-devices/#.U9EyaKyLN8U (http://www.overunity.com/2764/spinor-resonance-explanation-for-tpu-like-devices/#.U9EyaKyLN8U)
 
 
 
Here are may old clips, looks like we are on the same track…
 
Thanks for the book !!! Now the was allot of effort !! Don’t let the ass*oles get you distracted ….
 
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1TnGGeeP0I&list=UUKp4xN6pwIVRqiKhtdc_Wsw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1TnGGeeP0I&list=UUKp4xN6pwIVRqiKhtdc_Wsw)
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXifaqdbLhs&index=37&list=UUKp4xN6pwIVRqiKhtdc_Wsw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXifaqdbLhs&index=37&list=UUKp4xN6pwIVRqiKhtdc_Wsw)
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR7c4iXum-A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR7c4iXum-A)
 
 
Ps..
 
“MileHigh you don’t exist  !!! your words a worthless even with some 3000 posts !!”
 
Don’t respond….!!



thanks for the links, Iemmie take some peeks and see.........  Well, the book isnt done , it has twice (or more) to add to it, new experiments, and some amazing stuff that even shocked me.


thumbs up
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: picowatt on July 24, 2014, 09:29:42 PM


Here is the view of ONLY THE CENTRIPETAL (center point ONLY) vortex as filmed thru a pair of optical glass with micron thin FERROFLUID in between , and ringed by LED lights

however even using 2 lights, you can see the same thing


THIS IS CENTRIPETAL IMAGE ONLY pictured below,   NO CENTRIFUGAL IS SHOWN


THEN, I show you BOTH, with a bit of the ringed centriFUGAL  around the centripetal




THEN,  pictured below  BASED UPON MY CALCULATIONS (before seeing these REAL FIELD (not created) IMAGES), IS MY PREDICTION OF THEIR APPEARANCE,......WHICH IS 100% IDENTICAL

How does one infer spin "direction" from the apparently symmetrical patterns portrayed in the images posted?

As I agree with your comments regarding the fallacies of using iron filings to determine field patterns/shapes due to the multitude of individual magnets thereby created and thereto aligned, this would also seem true for any iron filings or magnetic material regardless how small those filings or materials are milled and suspended.  The interactions may take on finer detail as particle size decreases producing more intricate patterns, but are they not, in the end, merely a higher resolution pattern with the same fallacies of the more macroscopic iron filings?

(Please, the use of bold and caps is not necessary.  To the contrary, most consider it as shouting, which is uncalled for.)

PW
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: picowatt on July 24, 2014, 09:37:01 PM


Here is the view of ONLY THE CENTRIPETAL (center point ONLY) vortex as filmed thru a pair of optical glass with micron thin FERROFLUID in between , and ringed by LED lights

however even using 2 lights, you can see the same thing


THIS IS CENTRIPETAL IMAGE ONLY pictured below,   NO CENTRIFUGAL IS SHOWN


THEN, I show you BOTH, with a bit of the ringed centriFUGAL  around the centripetal




THEN,  pictured below [as found in the book] BASED UPON MY CALCULATIONS (before seeing these REAL FIELD (not created) IMAGES), IS MY PREDICTION OF THEIR APPEARANCE,......WHICH IS 100% IDENTICAL


TA,

In screenshot 1825, is this an end on view of a magnetic pole?  Can you indicate where the extents of the physical dimensions of the magnet used are located behind the glass/pattern?  I.e., if this is an end on view of a cylindrical magnet pole, where does the OD of the magnet end in relation to, say, the circularly defined center pattern?

PW
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 24, 2014, 09:49:18 PM

TA,

In screenshot 1825, is this an end on view of a magnetic pole?  Can you indicate where the extents of the physical dimensions of the magnet used are located behind the glass/pattern?  I.e., if this is an end on view of a cylindrical magnet pole, where does the OD of the magnet end in relation to, say, the circularly defined center pattern?

PW


YES, it is a zoomed in image of ONLY the centripetal vortex (however even the very center is still influenced by centrifugal inductive force which still necessitates (only much tighter) this geometry    (until in reaches inside at the midpoint of reintegration).


Its a "dilated" view of the centripetal,  using a RING magnet............So you can see a MUCH BIGGER view of the centripetal of a SOLID disk magnet,  BY HOW.???       Simple.........Ring magnet.

its the same AS a disk magnet , only magnified so you can see it better.

Disk magnet you can barely barely see it, because its so small and tight.




regardless however, the centrifugal (see BOTTOM PIC) on a CUBE (1/4") magnet is the same   ......black is the face of the magnet

far AWAY from the viewer, and this tiny cube magnet......you can see the centrifugal only (of course, as it should be)
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: picowatt on July 24, 2014, 09:55:50 PM

YES, it is a zoomed in image of ONLY the centripetal vortex (however even the very center is still influenced by centrifugal inductive force which still necessitates (only much tighter) this geometry    (until in reaches inside at the midpoint of reintegration).


Its a "dilated" view of the centripetal,  using a RING magnet............So you can see a MUCH BIGGER view of the centripetal of a SOLID disk magnet,  BY HOW.???       Simple.........Ring magnet.

its the same AS a disk magnet , only magnified so you can see it better.

Disk magnet you can barely barely see it, because its so small and tight.

TA,

But again, in shot 1827, for example (and in the 1825 I asked about) where does the OD of the magnet end in relation to the pattern portrayed?

In 1827 is the OD (periphery) of the magnet roughly where the intense orange circle is defined at the periphery of the pattern?  Is there a center hole in the magnet?

Similar question for 1825, is this a solid faced magnet or one with a center hole and what are its dimensions/extents in relation to the observed pattern?

A circle or two drawn over the patterns portraying the dimensions of the magnet behind the viewer would be most helpful in understanding what we are looking at and what the patterns portray.

PW

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 24, 2014, 10:36:09 PM
TA,
In 1827 is the OD (periphery) of the magnet roughly where the intense orange circle is defined at the periphery of the pattern?  Is there a center hole in the magnet?

Similar question for 1825, is this a solid faced magnet or one with a center hole and what are its dimensions/extents in relation to the observed pattern?

A circle or two drawn over the patterns portraying the dimensions of the magnet behind the viewer would be most helpful in understanding what we are looking at and what the patterns portray.

PW


In 1827 the inside diameter is roughly 36 mm   .....no the intense orange circle is the rim of the INSIDE EDGE of the ring magnet


1824, 1825, 1826 and 1827 are the same magnet

only diff zoom views.

A ring magnet lets you see the dilation OF the centripetal which is normally too small and too tight to view (way too tight).


A ring magnet, obviously and logically, give your a dilation view of the centripetal


You can see BOTH centripetal and centrifugal below :::

both patters are the SAME, both are interlacing resultant, but one is convergent and "tighter" and the other is divergent and more "open"

centripetal is shrinking back into the dielectric,
into the counterspatial inertial.      Centrifugal just the opposite.



BOTTOM pic is the pole of a 1/4" cube magnet......, and is showing the centrifugal divergent (=spatially moving [really creating])  ONLY

same pattern, both are opposite in interlacing reciprocations, but incommensurate and identical in geometry, only spatially and counterspatially (moving)  distended or contractive

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 24, 2014, 10:44:47 PM


To clear some things up for some people (not meant for anyone here specifically)...........


Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Acca on July 24, 2014, 11:32:13 PM
 Here is the Flicker photos of Michael Snyder he developed the single axis magnet plasmon viewer..  His YT channel is https://www.youtube.com/user/SirZerp/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/SirZerp/videos)
 
http://www.aps.org/about/physics-images/archive/heleshaw.cfm (http://www.aps.org/about/physics-images/archive/heleshaw.cfm)
 
“Anti-Vortex Image in Hele-Shaw Cell
Magnetic fields can be hard to understand or characterize. Two natural means of visualizing magnetic fields are the aurora australis and the aurora borealis, as well as the Sun's corona.
Michael Snyder and others have explored ways to visualize magnetic fields in the lab. The visualization here started with a Hele-Shaw cell. A Hele-Shaw cell is two flat parallel plates separated by a nearly infinitesimal distance. In this case, Snyder's and Frederick's Hele-Shaw cell is made of two 100mm circular glass windows separated by a Fe3O4 ferrofluid; that is, a liquid of 10nm particles that becomes strongly magnetized.
The Hele-Shaw cell is facing the camera and illuminated by 36 colored LED lights placed around the cell’s perimeter. The light is scattered through the cell as the ferrofluid particles respond to two magnets behind the cell which are aligned north/south and south/north. The magnetization produces this anti-vortex image.”
 
http://www.revolution-labs.com/ (http://www.revolution-labs.com/)
 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sirzerp/2947536208/in/photostream/lightbox/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/sirzerp/2947536208/in/photostream/lightbox/)
 
I also made ways of making "non-magnetic metals" magnetic.. Sorry can show but not tell !!
 
Acca..
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: picowatt on July 24, 2014, 11:43:09 PM

 

A ring magnet lets you see the dilation OF the centripetal which is normally too small and too tight to view (way too tight).


Does not the area of the "centripetal" expand outward as distance from the pole face increases?

That is, should not increasing the distance between the pole face and the viewer cause the view of the 'centripetal" area expand?

And again, how do you justify using magnetic particles to view the fields, when they are merely smaller analogs of more macroscopic iron filings?

PW
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 25, 2014, 12:09:32 AM
Here is the Flicker photos of Michael Snyder he developed the single axis magnet plasmon viewer..  His YT channel is https://www.youtube.com/user/SirZerp/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/SirZerp/videos)
 
Acca..

Yes, I know about his youtube channel.  The work of his, etc.......Great work on his part.
Lovely pics,.......(actually thats the name of his book too as I recall, pretty pictures)  ;)



You see that SPHERE in the center (BELOW), thats the dielectric super-point.

Its just 1 of 1000 ways of telling people (if they believe you or not) that dielectricity terminates (in enormous power) into the creation of mass.


Mass/matter is "MADE SPATIAL" by (obviously) the inter-atomic magnetism. 

but its field (LIKE dielectricity) is counterspatial, is Omni-directionally centripetal.

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 25, 2014, 12:19:26 AM
Does not the area of the "centripetal" expand outward as distance from the pole face increases?

Yes, same as a natural tornado does.   Centripetal is MAX velocity at its APEX (point)

Opposite of the Centrifugal.......MAX velocity is at the CONE END, of which, IN A MAGNET (as mentioned in the book)  is at the EDGE POINT of either "end" of a "magnet"

And WHY is that the MAX point of centrifugal on a magnet?????   Because thats where the physical "magnet" 'ENDS', and where dielectric acceleration END.....after that all reciprocation is driven spatially by the interlacing fields (or in intermediate centrifugal, doesnt make it "over the fence" and returns at the inertial plane)



That is, should not increasing the distance between the pole face and the viewer cause the view of the 'centripetal" area expand?

Yes, but at distance you are seeing only the mutual interlacing of BOTH With a more loose, but identical hypotrochoid shape ,  and you are seeing the same AT the centripetal, they are all point-nonspecific self-similar (thats incommensurate field reciprocation).

except in the case of a ring magnet where the centripetal is geometrically dilated as necessitated by the field geometry;..... the SAME but SPATIALLY divergent as a ring, therefore magnifying the spatially CONVERGENT (counterspatial moving) centripetal.


And again, how do you justify using magnetic particles to view the fields, when they are merely smaller analogs of more macroscopic iron filings?



I dont, I say EXACTLY THAT IN THE BOOK
........which is why I use MANY diff testing materials, graphite, bismuth dust,  special suspensions, and a few other things I will talk about in the future edition, but will not mention here and now.

I have several NON charged, NON ferrous testing methods.



You can test with paramagnetic AND diamagnetic materials with magnets, you just have to "get creative" and think  outside of the box.
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: picowatt on July 25, 2014, 12:41:42 AM
TA,

Personally, I have always believed that regardless of whether magnetic, paramagnetic, diamagnetic, or even miniature hall sensors are used in an attempt to map the field pattern, the very act of inserting these items into the field modifies the field.

Although the effect can likely be reduced to some degree with, as you say, a diamagnetic material, doing so requires the particle size to be very small and the medium they are contained within to be of very low viscosity to allow adequate mobility of the very small particles in concert with the weak effect on them produced by the field.  But that increased mobility also allows neighboring particles to as well be more easily influenced by any changes to the field produced by adjacent particles.

In any case, as was mentioned several posts back, do you believe these observed lines and patterns of vortices created via the "centrifugal" and "centripetal" fields to be stationary?  That is, in your drawings with inward/outward indicating arrows, are these merely static vectors indicating field direction with strength varying over distance or is there an actual component of motion, flow, or oscillation related to these proposed field vectors?

PW
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 25, 2014, 12:49:17 AM
TA,
Personally, I have always believed that regardless of whether magnetic, paramagnetic, diamagnetic, or even miniature hall sensors are used in an attempt to map the field pattern, the very act of inserting these items into the field modifies the field.



Fields influence fields, there is no argument,
however you really need to see the picture below.....and realize this END ON view of  AC TRANSMISSION LINES is nearly 100% same as a permanent magnet

only difference is some spread because you have TWO WIRES rather than a super-binding sphere/cylinder etc etc "physical magnet"

Its only due to immense study of Platonic incommensurability I have a firm grip inverse moving conjugate fields in a binding magneto-dielectric geometry.
Its also a wholly LOST ART of thinking methodology called retroduction.


In any case, as was mentioned several posts back, do you believe these observed lines and patterns of vortices created via the "centrifugal" and "centripetal" fields to be stationary?  That is, in your drawings with inward/outward indicating arrows, are these merely static vectors indicating field direction with strength varying over distance or is there an actual component of motion or oscillation related to these proposed field vectors?
PW

Depends on what you are connotating (or denotating) as  " STATIONARY "..... = equalization / equilibrium

Or "moving IN perfect equalibrium"

movement is an extrapolation of space AND time (>>>>>and therefore a resultant modality of a radiative field<<<<<<).........    Spacetime is a posterior attribute TO and OF radiative fields.....


This is where Einstein turned into a mental midget
, he reified the attribute (space) as THAT which "does stuff"    ;D  ;D

Chicken AND (NOT OR!!) Egg  situation  ;D  ;D

all movement is forcing fields against fields and getting = Induction, electrification, force etc etc etc.


Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 25, 2014, 12:53:25 AM
(pictured below) The "magnets" dielectric inertial plane , ...the very principle "driving" the entire "magnet" (= dielectric electrified object in dis-equilibrium)


The radiation / discharge OF dielectricity IS magnetism

Co-eternal / co-principles of the single Ether-fulcrum,   charge/inertia/dielectric .....and....... radiation/discharge(=magnetism)


The Ether is the Ether is the Ether.


This is why JC Maxwell called magnetism the  "dielectric field"




Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: picowatt on July 25, 2014, 01:42:47 AM


Fields influence fields, there is no argument,
however you really need to see the picture below.....and realize this END ON view of  AC TRANSMISSION LINES is nearly 100% same as a permanent magnet

only difference is some spread because you have TWO WIRES rather than a super-binding sphere/cylinder etc etc "physical magnet"

Its only due to immense study of Platonic incommensurability I have a firm grip inverse moving conjugate fields in a binding magneto-dielectric geometry.
Its also a wholly LOST ART of thinking methodology called retroduction.


Depends on what you are connotating (or denotating) as  " STATIONARY "..... = equalization / equilibrium

Or "moving IN perfect equalibrium"

movement is an extrapolation of space AND time (>>>>>and therefore a resultant modality of a radiative field<<<<<<).........    Spacetime is a posterior attribute TO and OF radiative fields.....


This is where Einstein turned into a mental midget
, he reified the attribute (space) as THAT which "does stuff"    ;D  ;D

Chicken AND (NOT OR!!) Egg  situation  ;D  ;D

all movement is forcing fields against fields and getting = Induction, electrification, force etc etc etc.

What is the configuration of the magnet behind the viewing film in shot 1819?

Regarding field motion, relative to the bulk mass of the magnet, are the fields stationary? 

PW
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Bob Smith on July 25, 2014, 01:57:50 AM
I am struck with wonder and awe at the beauty of this new window on the universe.
Thanks for sharing this inspiring work, Ken.
Bob
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on July 25, 2014, 02:23:37 AM
If whatever emanates from the poles of a magnet has an actual physical spin as TA depicts, is it unreasonable to expect that two like poles in axial alignment and proximity would cause the magnets to spin?  Fairly easy to test.  If necessary it may also be possible to devise an experiment using open center cylindrical magnets wherein the "centripetal" field/flux is routed through the center of the cylindrical magnets to the opposing pole so that the majority of the flux being tested for rotation involves primarily the more external "centrifugal" flux.

As well, if there are indeed physically rotating fields, it would be reasonable to expect that two magnets placed side by side with their magnetic axes parallel and supported by bearings to rotate when brought into proximity.

If the vortex observed in all these experiments utilizing current flow to generate H2 exist solely as a property of the magnet alone, and not the interaction of electric/ion currents flowing in proximity to the magnet, should not that vortex or spin cause magnets aligned as above to also spin?

With the many attempts made to create PM only motors, why has this spin not yet been observed?

Possibly TA's diagrams refer only to motionless field polarities/vectors emanating to/from the magnetic poles.

PW


I was just tossing it in the ring PW.

It will take some time to go back and digest all that has been laid out amid the distractions.

Regards...

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 25, 2014, 02:50:20 AM
What is the configuration of the magnet behind the viewing film in shot 1819?


You didnt read it above.     1819 is END ON view of AC transmission lines......same as running down your street

BUT that is also the cross section of a magnet,  top to bottom polarization ,   with the differences mentioned above,  that being the boundary of the physical magnet and the mutual centripetal and centrifugal reciprocation.

While accurate only END ON (the AC LINES) as a model of magnetism, the incommensurable magneto-dielectric "field of dielectricity" (Maxwell) is still correct and applicable.

There is no nucleal precession going on in AC transmission lines, (of course)


In the true 3D model of the magnet you would need ENDLESS trillions of AC lines all moving
"down the page (end on)"  and undergoing line (in this case nucleus) precession to get the centripetal and centrifugal field interlacing.



Regarding field motion, relative to the bulk mass of the magnet, are the fields stationary? 

The formulas for that are in Dr. Oleg D. Jefimenkos book:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0917406230/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Motion only pertains to spatial fields,   there can be no MOTION in dielectricity unless, as Tesla did, create longitudinal superluminal transmissions, WHILE much faster than light, still have a speed, but that is relative to the induction potential of the Ether, and the field drag of both gravity and ambient magnetism limiting I.A.A.A.D from occurring.


Movement and magnetic precession is occurring , its often called Larmor Precession.

The classical vector properties of the angular momentum of a gyroscope are analogous to many of the important characteristics of the vector properties of the mechanical magnetic inertia. The reason for the close analogy is due to the important and critical connection between the dielectric inertial plane and the angular momentum due to the dielectric’s acceleration, or spin. For example, the rotating mass of a gyroscope possesses angular momentum, which can be represented by a vector whose direction is along the symmetry axis of rotation. A gyroscope in a field precesses, i.e., the axis of its rotation precesses around the direction of the counterspatial field. What factors determine the rate of precession of the gyroscope? The answer is the field force at the center of rotation and the inherent angular momentum of the gyroscope, or in this case the dielectric plane and its acceleration. If the angular momentum, which is determined by the angular velocity of spin and the mass of the gyroscope, is constant, the rate of precession ω is determined only by the centripetal field force, so that there is a proportionality between the rate of precession and the centripetal field force, where γ (compare to the magnetogyric ratio) is the scalar proportionality constant between the precessional frequency and the centripetal field force. ω (Larmor frequency) = γeH


Protons precess coherently when in the presence of a powerful dielectric field. The frequency at which the precession occurs is called the Larmor frequency. This causes an oscillating and precessing magnetic field that can be measured.

In electrification in the creation of a “magnet” not only are the XYZ vectors of magneto-dielectric inertial planes brought into coherency, so too are the directions of their dielectric ‘flywheels’ all amplified to the same direction. Just like our gyroscopic analogy, you can have 10 gyroscopes with their flywheels all spinning in different directions and yet their XYZ axis of the magneto-dielectric volumes are still aligned, however in touching all 10 at the same time, you will get variegated precessional incoherent reactions. However as is in the case with electrification and dielectric saturation in the creation of a “magnet”, all dielectric inter-atomic fields are accelerated in a singular pulse of phased dielectric coherency. This is also why CW on CW magnetic approaches causes immense Ether pressure resistance (counter-voidance), because the dielectric-momentum of all the many trillions of atoms in the “magnet” are resisting breaking torque from an outside pressure of counter-voidance. This is in-phase precession post-electrification in creating a magnet.

Gyromagnetic ratios, and magnetic precession is nothing of my discovery, this principle is part and parcel to all magnetic resonance imaging (MRI), nuclear magnetic resonance imaging (NMRI) technology, however the entire field of MRI technology is senseless and clueless that a permanent magnet exhibits this due to special magneto-dielectric field geometry. MRI use enormous power to generate these magnetic precessions, which field contrasts are then used to image and determine what is being scanned. Enormous pulsing power is used in the creation of MRI images, however a single large pulse is used to create an identical precessional magnetic geometry in the permanent magnet. As is the case with most technology, things are discovered and perfected without actually understanding or caring about the principles behind them.

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: tinman on July 25, 2014, 04:41:11 AM
I will be doing many more test this weekend PW, and will include your seguestions
Also keep in mind everyone, that the magnet produces only H2, but we still have 2 spin diretions of H2 bubbles. This can only mean that it is the water that the force is acting against. It is also ovious thst an electrical current is needed to achieve spin in my setup. None the less, ATM it seems that the right hand dosnt apply to one of these spin directions
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: picowatt on July 25, 2014, 05:19:12 AM
I will be doing many more test this weekend PW, and will include your seguestions
Also keep in mind everyone, that the magnet produces only H2, but we still have 2 spin diretions of H2 bubbles. This can only mean that it is the water that the force is acting against. It is also ovious thst an electrical current is needed to achieve spin in my setup. None the less, ATM it seems that the right hand dosnt apply to one of these spin directions

Tinman,

Sincere thanks for your time and efforts.

Do you believe it possible to make a sufficient amount of O2 at the magnet (to allow visualization) by reversing the tank polarity?

As I surmised in a previous post, it may be possible that two different actions are being observed, a homopolar torque/motoring action and an ion "wind".  As H2 is liberated, negative ions form in the area of H2 production and these negative ions would then be repelled away from that immediate area.  As those ions carry a charge, their path as they leave that immediate area would be affected by the magnetic field.

If the above is true, using the same magnet polarity as in your H2 tests, reversing tank polarity to produce O2, and hence produce positive ions, should reverse the direction of the observed vortex immediately above the magnetic pole (reverse polarity ions should travel an oppositely curved path in the same magnetic field polarity). 

I surmise that when the tape is applied to the sides of the magnet, bulk current density in the electrolyte is lowered and the homopolar action is somewhat suppressed, particularly at lower currents.  This allows, at lower currents, the ion flow just above the magnet's pole to be more readily visible and somewhat predominant (as the pole area has the highest current density at this time).  As current is increased further, bulk current in the electrolyte becomes greater, and when sufficient, allows motoring to occur via homopolar action.

Anyway, it's just a thought...

Thanks again,
PW





   

Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 25, 2014, 05:28:45 AM
Tinman,

If the above is true, using the same magnet polarity as in your H2 tests, reversing tank polarity to produce O2, and hence produce positive ions, should reverse the direction of the observed vortex immediately above the magnetic pole (reverse polarity ions should travel an oppositely curved path in the same magnetic field polarity). 



one small hitch there though,  :o 

HYDRO is diamagnetic,
and   OXY is  paramagnetic


"Mother nature is a crazy bitch"- Alfred Reed
     ROFL


little humor   ;D


 




Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: picowatt on July 25, 2014, 05:41:08 AM

You didnt read it above.     1819 is END ON view of AC transmission lines......same as running down your street

BUT that is also the cross section of a magnet,  top to bottom polarization ,   with the differences mentioned above,  that being the boundary of the physical magnet and the mutual centripetal and centrifugal reciprocation.

While accurate only END ON (the AC LINES) as a model of magnetism, the incommensurable magneto-dielectric "field of dielectricity" (Maxwell) is still correct and applicable.


TA,

I am sorry, but I am still a bit uncertain if I understand what is depicted in 1819 completely.  There are two panels/images.  The left image appears to be viewing film, the right appears to be a line drawing/graph with a big red square.

There are numbered callouts/labels below the images, but no corresponding identification numbers in the images.

I am assuming that the left image is viewing film and that the right image is a graphical representation of the "end on" AC lines.  The red square overlayed on the right image, I also assume, represents a block magnet showing the dielectric plane (center line).

If the above assumptions are correct, is the viewing film a depiction of the same block magnet oriented behind the film as indicated by the red square in the right image?  I just want to make sure I am understanding what you present correctly.

It would be most helpful when presenting viewing film, etc, of magnetic fields if you would provide an image or overlay of the orientation of the magnet and its geometric shape as positioned behind the film (with polarity marked as well).

Just a suggestion,

PW
Title: Re: Ultimate proof of Magnetic Vortex, free book and videos
Post by: TheoriaApophasis on July 25, 2014, 06:03:04 AM
TA,

I am sorry, but I am still a bit uncertain if I understand what is depicted in 1819 completely.  There are two panels/images.  The left image appears to be viewing film, the right appears to be a line drawing/graph with a big red square.

There are numbered callouts/labels below the images, but no corresponding identification numbers in the images.

It would be most helpful when presenting viewing film, etc, of magnetic fields if you would provide an image or overlay of the orientation of the magnet and its geometric shape as positioned behind the film (with polarity marked as well).

Just a suggestion,

PW


NO, that left image is not viewing flim, its iron filiings around AC current lines looking END ON
Same  thing, in diagram on the right

Taken from JC Maxwells diagram of the dielectric and magnetic around AC lines looking END (of wire) ON (down the lines)



I am assuming that the left image is viewing film and that the right image is a graphical representation of the "end on" AC lines.  The red square overlayed on the right image, I also assume, represents a block magnet showing the dielectric plane (center line).<<<<<

Yes, the GREEN viewing film, however all this film does is show VELOCITY of fields, and the POINT/AXIS of polarization

They call it "magnetic viewing fim", but its real nature is showing polarization and shows really only 3 things

A: bright line of the dielectric inertial plane  (or as everyone else sees it, the axis along which the magnet is polarized)

B: shows the centrifugal edge in bright (again, velocity)

C: shows a fuzzy bright circle at the centripetal point.

I developed a liquid suspension that does the EXACT SAME THING as this film does  ;)




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