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Author Topic: How to make multiple Kicks  (Read 93337 times)

Offline Magluvin

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #90 on: December 02, 2013, 06:57:30 AM »
Ok, using a separate sig gen at 10khz, square 4v biased +.   .012v ac output from series bifi.  had to jack up the second sig gen to get that much output. :-\

If I just touch the open end of the 3rd strand it goes up to .045v out.   Im an antenna. ;D

So these tests cant be done using 1 piece of equipment as a scope and source, due to capacitive coupling between the 'wire' and pickup, as far as I can tell so far. ;)

Mags

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #90 on: December 02, 2013, 06:57:30 AM »

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #91 on: December 02, 2013, 06:58:20 AM »
Bruce:

In the simplified drawing that you posted in reply #13 in this thread, you say the following:

<<< It is common scientific knowledge that if you have a piece of wire and first run electricity through it you will have a small kick when first energized.  The kick is universally attributed to the Earth's magnetic field.  >>>

There is no common scientific knowledge about what you are suggesting.
Your first statement is totally ambiguous and undefined.
The "kick" is not defined and nothing in the context of what you are doing is "universally attributed to the Earth's magnetic field."

Just in that short statement you are revealing a lot about yourself.  Your are indicating that you are a beginner to the world of electronics and have only taken a few tiny steps.  So if you are serious about this stuff you need to educate yourself and document what you are doing properly.

Any attempts that you might make to suggest that I am "in the past" and you are "advanced and into new uncharted research" are negated by the quote of you above for anyone that has a reasonable understanding of electronics without having to be an expert in electronics.  The interesting thing about electronics is that it's incredibly difficult to fake or feign that you have knowledge and experience when you don't.  Usually within five minutes or five sentences the truth is revealed to people that are knowledgeable.

Sorry for the reality coming crashing down but the readers of this thread deserve to hear the real deal.

So, to try to end this posting on a positive note, if you like this stuff and have fun with it, then by educating yourself you should have that much more fun with it and you can continue to climb up the learning curve and do more meaningful experiments.

MileHigh

AGAIN YOU DO NOT LISTEN...EVER.  THAT QUOTE WAS FROM STEVEN MARK AND IT DID INDEED USED TO BE COMMON KNOWLEDGE.   GO ARGUE WITH THE MAGNETIC KICKS, YOU FULL OF HOT AIR, NEVER BUILT A THING ON THIS FORUM NOR EXPERIMENTED TALKING HEAD.

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #92 on: December 02, 2013, 07:02:12 AM »
I have a little scope that has a sig gen.

The series bifi windings ring near 10khz.  Applying 1 lead of the sig gen to the 3rd strand, other end of strand open.

1v square wave from sig gen produces 10v p-p on the series bifi.  Nice ac output considering square 50% dut in. Adjusting the duty cycle lowers the output, but still a sine out. No spikes. ???

Next try will be using a sig gen from a separate source(scope/gen no. 2  same model) to eliminate direct capacitive effect between the scope and sig gen. There will still be a say ambient/atmospheric capacitance between equipment, so we may have some output. 

Mags

You have no switch. ..wont work.

Use a resistor if you cant make a proper magnetic pickup coil.

AC WITH NOISE works best.   ;)

The higher the voltage the faster the electrons.  (Simple way to accelerate them for your testing)

No current,  have fun, be safe.

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #92 on: December 02, 2013, 07:02:12 AM »
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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #93 on: December 02, 2013, 07:07:10 AM »
  Just a couple tips for tinkerers and a couple questions for B.  This is in regard to Bruce's attached file on single-wire kick generation.


(Tips for others)
 - Kicks start showing up around 10khz at 2v and builds off/on past 1mhz.  In general, the higher frequency the stronger the results.  My function generator does 20v P/P to about 2mhz.
 - Square waves only.  Sine waves generate no output whatsoever.  AC/DC bias does not seem to matter for simple test.
 - Positive (+) lead wire only.  Yes, seriously.  Leave the other lead open.  Capacitive coupling seems to do the rest.
 - Receiver coil: Any small coil seems to work well.  I used a ~200 turn 1"dia aircore solenoid.  Higher inductance = lower frequency = easier scope pickup.  A relay coil, solenoid, or aircore inductor may work.
 - Kick output reaches several volts with an antenna/ground.  Can light LED's with the above receiver coil in parallel.  Again, this is driven 1-wire open-circuit and is quite a sight to see.


(Questions for Bruce)
 - Would a Bifilar series coil have any useful effects when used as an emitter or collector?  (Just trying to save time on winding variants)
 - Assuming the 'freed electron' theory was right, I figured you could direct/accelerate them with a bias magnetic field like a CRT electron gun, or particle accelerator.  So far, all I can seem to get is an extra volt of hash on top of the bias mag fields.  Perhaps the B field just isn't strong enough?(24V3A)
  Should the bias field(s) be pulsed/rotating/resonant as well?
 - It's interesting the role caps play interacting w/ kicks.  Series arrangements seem generally more useful than parallel; parallel seems to kill the dipole.  Thoughts?


Happy testing all.

/Rei

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #94 on: December 02, 2013, 07:19:29 AM »
ALL here should know that this kick has now been confirmed by three labs.  Marco gets credit for figuring out the initial kick.

Giantkiller has reproduced it many times.

Jason has verified it with his lab months ago.

Roberto has verified it with his lab months ago and wrote a beautiful paper on it.

A friend of mine from Europe, the CEO of an electronic company confirmed it with his lab using a Manuel switch and a resistor!   Hahaha

I have on my team over 22 people.   Including university professors in math, electronic professionals and MANY more.

I just jumped into this thread to at least point you in the right direction....lol

I dont give a rats Texas terd what milehigh and others of his mindset think.

Only do not allow them to dissuade you from experimenting on your own! :o

We are all months down the road from what you see!

Will you believe Steven Mark and ourselves enough to experiment or will you be dissuaded by the talking heads?

Doesn't matter to us, for you all know where we are headed...hehehe

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #94 on: December 02, 2013, 07:19:29 AM »
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Offline Magluvin

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #95 on: December 02, 2013, 07:22:10 AM »
 
(Questions for Bruce)
 - Would a Bifilar series coil have any useful effects when used as an emitter or collector?  (Just trying to save time on winding variants)
 

I only used a bifi because I had it wound already with a 3rd strand.  I aimed for the resonant freq of my bifi, thus the clean sine wave out with square in.  So bifi might be smoothing off the spikes or absorbing them, if they were occurring in my tests. I will try some more tomorrow with just 1 strand of the bifi for output and see if there are spikes. The Ill move on to using a 'switch' for on and off as Bruce just posted.

Mags

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #96 on: December 02, 2013, 07:34:12 AM »
  Just a couple tips for tinkerers and a couple questions for B.  This is in regard to Bruce's attached file on single-wire kick generation.


(Tips for others)
 - Kicks start showing up around 10khz at 2v and builds off/on past 1mhz.  In general, the higher frequency the stronger the results.  My function generator does 20v P/P to about 2mhz.
 - Square waves only.  Sine waves generate no output whatsoever.  AC/DC bias does not seem to matter for simple test.
 - Positive (+) lead wire only.  Yes, seriously.  Leave the other lead open.  Capacitive coupling seems to do the rest.
 - Receiver coil: Any small coil seems to work well.  I used a ~200 turn 1"dia aircore solenoid.  Higher inductance = lower frequency = easier scope pickup.  A relay coil, solenoid, or aircore inductor may work.
 - Kick output reaches several volts with an antenna/ground.  Can light LED's with the above receiver coil in parallel.  Again, this is driven 1-wire open-circuit and is quite a sight to see.

My guess is that you also are NOT using a switch.  Start with a "switch", slow down and you can use freqs in the Hz, sine wave or any other kind of wave that RIDES ON THE SURFACE of the wire.

(Questions for Bruce)
 - Would a Bifilar series coil have any useful effects when used as an emitter or collector?  (Just trying to save time on winding variants)

You are jumping way too far ahead!  Slow down, understand WHY you are seeing what you are seeing at higher frequencies.  It is not hard, and I have already said.

 - Assuming the 'freed electron' theory was right, I figured you could direct/accelerate them with a bias magnetic field like a CRT electron gun, or particle accelerator.  So far, all I can seem to get is an extra volt of hash on top of the bias mag fields.  Perhaps the B field just isn't strong enough?(24V3A)
  Should the bias field(s) be pulsed/rotating/resonant as well?
 - It's interesting the role caps play interacting w/ kicks.  Series arrangements seem generally more useful than parallel; parallel seems to kill the dipole.  Thoughts?

OF COURSE the "freed electron" theory is correct.  It is Steven's theory and he spent decades working on this...lol

Why are you concerned with a "bias" field?  SLOW down, and concentrate ONLY on the following to start, or you will not get very far....
1.  Learn to make kicks
2.  Learn to make "bigger" kicks (DEFINED by stronger magnetic field!)
3.  Learn to make "more" kicks
4.  Learn to "combine" them for REALLY BIG kicks.  (Defined as REALLY BIG combined MAGNETIC kicks)

5.  It is not hard...
I am NOT going to tell you where I am....Only where I have been and show you the road ahead.  The rest is up to you and others.  I am VERY busy with my own experimenting every day.   ;)



Happy testing all.

/Rei

Hi Rei,

My answers above in bold.  Good job experimenting.   ;)

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #96 on: December 02, 2013, 07:34:12 AM »
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Offline Magluvin

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #97 on: December 02, 2013, 07:39:12 AM »
You have no switch. ..wont work.



Well, I just went by what is said in the schematic, as it said square wave in just below the switch. ;)

Mags

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #98 on: December 02, 2013, 07:45:29 AM »
Well, I just went by what is said in the schematic, as it said square wave in just below the switch. ;)

Mags

INITIALLY, yes square wave but WITH a switch...  You choose...

Manual....
Reed....
Relay...

JUST to start and learn what you are doing.  Once you put a on/off switch in place, then you can try ALL KINDS of things and work on what I posted to REI.

But honestly,  what I have seen on this forum, is most people get "bored" with something and move on to the next project.  (except me and a very FEW others...lol)

Cheers,

Bruce

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #99 on: December 02, 2013, 07:52:16 AM »
Bruce:

So you are putting up a link to a clip and then saying to ignore the conclusions in the clip.  You have a running monologue going in the clip so how are we supposed to know what to listen to and what to ignore?  That's an issue for you to contemplate that's related to the issue of you not documenting yourself properly.

You can call me a "talking head" but in fact you know that I have made many postings that do a pretty decent analysis of somebody's circuit or video clip.  I have already told you this but I will repeat that I have thousands of hours worth of experience on an electronics bench.

There is a chance that the "kicks" are just capacitively or inductively coupled voltage spikes due to glitches or switching events.  Those are perfectly normal occurrences that happen all the time and usually nobody pays attention to them.  If that's true then it would be a good exercise to try to figure that out.

I have a suggestion for you.  Perhaps you can make a new "kick" clip where you show a schematic and document yourself properly.  You have to stand by what you say and not say that your conclusions may change.  You are using a resistor?  You notice that you provide no details about that.   That's a huge problem with you that needs fixing if you want to get your message out.  Exactly how are you using a resistor, what is the setup?

One thing for sure is that you are not getting any energy from the Earth's magnetic field.  Nor are you getting or observing any kind of passive energy amplification.  If you have an isolated piece of wire and you bring it up to a high potential, then when you touch a scope probe to it you see what looks like a capacitor of a few picofarads discharging to the ground potential of the scope.  That would look exactly like a spike so what is really going on in your experiments is still far from determined at this point.  The fun challenge is to figure out what is going on.

So I hope that you can make a new, well documented clip complete with a a schematic, with conclusions that you will stick by.  Then we can collectively try to figure out what is going on.  The reality is that there is a very good chance that your original conclusions will change as we work to figure out what is going on.

MileHigh

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #100 on: December 02, 2013, 10:39:12 AM »
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I see only one weak point - manual switch. If you can show the same using mosfet or transistor like Otto did then thing may be easier to digest for those who don't believe.




P.S. a fish cannot feel the water pressure except when something is wrong with her swim bladder. Sure, fish generate a lot of bubbles but there is niuance only.The fish were told that is due to measurement error and getting more experience will fix that issue.Except when the fish meet with pistol shrimp.... :o

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #101 on: December 02, 2013, 10:42:00 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKPrGxB1Kzc can it be possible without water pressure ????

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #102 on: December 02, 2013, 03:36:30 PM »
Bruce_TPU


I see only one weak point - manual switch. If you can show the same using mosfet or transistor like Otto did then thing may be easier to digest for those who don't believe.




P.S. a fish cannot feel the water pressure except when something is wrong with her swim bladder. Sure, fish generate a lot of bubbles but there is niuance only.The fish were told that is due to measurement error and getting more experience will fix that issue.Except when the fish meet with pistol shrimp.... :o

Hi forest,

No weak point...you see, I dont care if "some" dont believe.   ;)  they never experiment anyway.

And I said to START with switching.   I am showing "proof of concept".  This is all Steven had when he started.

I am showing where I was months ago.  You all have to do your own experimenting.... sorry but just the way it is going to be.    :o

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #103 on: December 02, 2013, 05:52:17 PM »
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then thing may be easier to digest for those who don't believe.

I assume that English is not your first language but using "believe" in the context of this discussion is a bad choice of words.  The sentence sounds like you are expected to believe something without any proof being given.  I have to have good proof and good experimental procedures and good documentation before I will consider believing anything that is out of the ordinary.

Bruce:

Whether or not I experiment has absolutely nothing to do with your proposition.  But I do know my stuff pretty well and so far you haven't presented anything that would suggest that your claims are true.  It's hard to even tell what you are doing.  I have given you some suggestions for improving your overall presentation and I hope you take them to heart and produce a much better clip next go round that includes a schematic and you also show all of the signals of interest with your scope.

To talk in riddles and drop hints and clues with no true verifiable substance is not confidence inspiring.  That could be taken from the script of any of a myriad of free energy scammers.  I don't believe that you are a scammer so why would you want to emulate them?  Please just be straight and say what you have to say and back it up with a well made YouTube clip.

MileHigh

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #104 on: December 02, 2013, 07:57:56 PM »
Whether or not I experiment has absolutely nothing to do with your proposition.

Seriously MileHigh, it would have taken less time to do the experiment than than it took to write the previous wall-o-text.  Prioritize.



Anyway, for all concerned attached is the simplest Proof-of-Concept setup I could muster.  The alligator clip is just resting on top of the coil and not connected to anything.  I bet you would even get results manually switching with a multimeter and battery (Positive terminal only).

 

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