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Author Topic: How to make multiple Kicks  (Read 94158 times)

Offline Farmhand

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #150 on: December 06, 2013, 04:59:29 AM »
Rosphere:

What's your point?  Just go ahead and state it and I will be pleased to respond.

MileHigh

I think he was having a dig at your grammar in the last paragraph. I often fail to use good grammar as well.

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #150 on: December 06, 2013, 04:59:29 AM »

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #151 on: December 06, 2013, 05:11:35 AM »
Meggerman

Here is how the 4 inch TPU was done,however,heres some advice this does not
mean that other TPU's are fake to take this opinion is not a good idea.
SM doesn't think in a conventional way,the use of fakes, is to sweeten the pie,
to appeal to the greed of the investors,to make them  believe there buying
a way to make small TPU's.There is a size limitation,real small devices were not possible.
The conventional view is you faked one, you must have faked them all,this is not how
SM thinks,hes thinking is
if they think I can make small ones, I can land the sucker investor,since I have real
 devices no one will question the fake ones,once I get hes money ,I will burn him and give him nothing.
I dug this up its been laying around,I made this a long time ago.It is 11, 9 volt
 alkaline batteries connected in a circle,the light used is a 100 watt bulb,it will light a 100 watt
bulb for the time its on the video about a minute,the batteries are run down now.The batteries he could get at Radio Shack in 1996.
Now the humor in this,he pretends it vibrates,claims a magnet starts it,the magnet sticks to the battery case,then he turns it upside
down to reinforce the belief it can't work upside down,LOL.Remember SM can't lie ,wouldn't lie
and wants you to build hes TPU,LOL.


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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #152 on: December 06, 2013, 05:14:36 AM »
Bruce:

There is no moderator in real life and I haven't done anything wrong.  You are claiming a leadership position and I recall that several months ago you were going to charge people a monthly fee to follow your experiments so you could buy parts and stuff like that.  So you are a semi pro and you should in an ideal case be able to respond to the technical points.  But in fact you are unable to respond so you try to claim that I am all "hot air."  That's simply not true.  I know that you are emotionally involved in what you are doing.  But if you believe in what you are doing why don't you try to defend your position with a technical argument?  You believe that you can tap into the Schumann resonance and get power like that?  Then prove it with an argument and experimentation that backs up your argument and show some tangible data.  But you can't do that, can you?  We are all just supposed to take you at your word for it and apparently some people even have to pay for that privilege.

I looked at Giantkiller's clip.  He lays a scope probe near his coil setup and picks up some ticks.  You tried to claim that that backs up your research.  But in fact, what I said is the real truth.  I said that it's just standard signal coupling into the very sensitive high input impedance scope probe input and it means nothing and it's all normal.  I have seen it all my life and have thought nothing of it.  That's an example of how you are so focused on what you are doing that you are attributing perfectly normal effects and trying to claim that they are something special and related to your claim.  When you start doing wrong things like that you are leading yourself down a garden path.

The fact that I don't have a scope is inconsequential.  This is the second or third time I will state this:  I have thousands of hours of experience working on an electronics bench.

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3.  Asked a member of this forum to perpetrate a hoax on the communit to "teach" them a lesson.
Why?  Because he is a fraud.  Phony.  Fake.  This is fact.

That is a disgusting lie and you should be ashamed of yourself for stating that a second time when I already refuted that point before in clear and unambiguous terms.  I have never perpetrated a hoax or asked a member to perpetrate a hoax on anybody on the forums and if what you were stating were true you would be able to cite links to back up your claim.  But of course you can't cite anything because it's not true.

I will repeat to you again Bruce:  Twice now you have alleged that I have committed fraud or encouraged inappropriate activity and it's a lie.  You have no evidence at all of that.  It's probably your emotional state in a kind of panic and all that you can do is make untrue allegations against me.  It's totally unacceptable and do not do it again.

The real reason I am here is just for fun and to debate and to sometimes help people.  I have designed one of the the most sophisticated pulse motors ever seen on the forums.  I just proposed a variant on a Joule Thief type of design for an LED lamp and again, it's one of the most sophisticated designs ever seen in the realm of Joule Thieves.

I am just giving you the real deal as far as I see it.  You have ignored every request from myself and others to show something with tangible results.  That's not a good thing and I will assume that you are hoping that you will find the "magic configuration" that does the trick.   Sadly, the "magic configuration" is just another tired worn out cliche that I assume many people that are hoping for positive results are also getting tired of.

MileHigh


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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #152 on: December 06, 2013, 05:14:36 AM »
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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #153 on: December 06, 2013, 05:41:42 AM »


That is a disgusting lie and you should be ashamed of yourself for stating that a second time when I already refuted that point before in clear and unambiguous terms.  I have never perpetrated a hoax or asked a member to perpetrate a hoax on anybody on the forums and if what you were stating were true you would be able to cite links to back up your claim.  But of course you can't cite anything because it's not true.

I will repeat to you again Bruce:  Twice now you have alleged that I have committed fraud or encouraged inappropriate activity and it's a lie.  You have no evidence at all of that. 

"You have no evidence at all of that."

But I do. ;) ;D :o

http://www.overunity.com/12147/this-might-blow-your-mind/msg315414/#msg315414

 :P


"Mags:

The reason you would want to make a motor that runs on a concealed battery would be as a lesson for others.  Too many people look at clips like that and they believe that they are real.  That's how the Perendev motor guy got rich and then got busted and is now in jail.  To be honest though that is secondary to my main point.  My main point was to use your scope and your wits and construct a timing diagram for the device.  Show the voltages and currents induced into the circuit as the magnet rotates.  That would not be easy for most people to do, it's a challenge.  Then you explain the timing diagram and that explains how the device works. It also would clearly explain how it's impossible for the device to work unless you add a battery.  The whole point is to demystify the device."


Then I said...

"Ok, first off, How many people here would rather that I, Magluvin, build a fake Z motor, rather than build one that might work for real?   First sentence. Easy one.  (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Im for the real deal. Trix are for kids.  (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

Next

If too many people look at vids like that and believe they are real, do you not think that there are many other videos out there already doing just as you suggest that you could refer them to? Advertize those why dont you. I dont need to be reinventing the wheel, when there already is plenty to choose from. It doesnt get me any closer to my original goal, it delays it.  (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/cool.gif)

I need to spend my time doing what this site here is intended for.  True Dat.

I am not Prendev. Im not taking investments. Im not building fakes.  Open source dude. You can google it. "



 ;D   The truth shall set you free!  But not a drop to be found. :P ;D

Mags  ;)

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #154 on: December 06, 2013, 06:26:56 AM »
Magluvin:

I told you to NOT ENGAGE WITH ME ON THE FORUM because it quickly becomes a pissing contest and then you get abusive and call me names like "Idiot" and "Freak" over and over and I told you in no uncertain terms that it was unacceptable.  You have never had the character to own up to your unacceptable abusive behaviour and apologize for it.

Here is an example:

<<<
Here are some of your comments:

"That vid you posted is malarky with math to explain the malarky. People deserve the truth, and that vid isnt it."
"If I see you preaching garbage, I will respond."

If Bill had posted the link to that same clip, would you have commented like that?
If Poynt had posted the link to that same clip, would you have commented like that?
If Farmhand had posted the link to that same clip, would you have commented like that?
If Brad had posted the link to that same clip, would you have commented like that?

We all know that the answer is that you would never had made comments like that.  This sick abusive behavior from you has to stop.

In one of the three waves where you relentlessly and viciously attacked me for weeks and weeks on end you called me a "freak" between half a dozen and a dozen times.  Then in another of the waves you called me an "idiot" perhaps 20 times.

You tell everyone right here and right now why you called me a "freak" on a public forum.
>>>

You have better get it through your thick head that I don't want you to engage with me at all.

Here is your quote again from me 1 1/2 years ago:

<<<  The reason you would want to make a motor that runs on a concealed battery would be as a lesson for others.  Too many people look at clips like that and they believe that they are real.  That's how the Perendev motor guy got rich and then got busted and is now in jail.  To be honest though that is secondary to my main point.  My main point was to use your scope and your wits and construct a timing diagram for the device.  Show the voltages and currents induced into the circuit as the magnet rotates.  That would not be easy for most people to do, it's a challenge.  Then you explain the timing diagram and that explains how the device works. It also would clearly explain how it's impossible for the device to work unless you add a battery.  The whole point is to demystify the device."  >>>

But of course you leave out the context.  We were discussing a fake motor clip on YouTube.  So I suggested that one way to educate people would be to emulate the same clip by building a comparable fake and then explaining to your audience how you built the fake.   The point being you are trying to do something positive by exposing a fake and showing how easy it was to do so that your audience would be that much wiser and learn from the experience.

Then you take that positive and take it out context and try to spin it as me having committed fraud or having encouraged inappropriate activity.  And of course it's not true but that doesn't seem to matter to you.

You are a morally bankrupt individual.  You think you see an opening to "get at me" so you go back 1 1/2 years and post something out of context in a failed attempt to make me look bad and make it look like I was lying and contradicting myself.  You are one pathetic desperate spin doctor with no morals and you will do anything you can go get at me, even if you have to make yourself look like an obsessed fool.

You fucking asshole Magluvin, what you just did illustrates precisely why I told you to NOT ENGAGE WITH ME ON THE FORUM.  What you just did is pure low life sleaze in a stupid nonsensical and untrue attempt to impugn my character.  You are fucking pathetic and stay the fuck away from me.

DO NOT ENGAGE WITH ME ON THE FORUM.

MileHigh

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #154 on: December 06, 2013, 06:26:56 AM »
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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #155 on: December 06, 2013, 06:48:21 AM »
Magluvin:

I told you to NOT ENGAGE WITH ME ON THE FORUM because it quickly becomes a pissing contest and then you get abusive and call me named like "Idiot" and "Freak" over and over and I told you in no uncertain terms that it was unacceptable.  You have never had the character to own up to your unacceptable abusive behaviour and apologize for it.

Here is an example:

<<<
Here are some of your comments:

"That vid you posted is malarky with math to explain the malarky. People deserve the truth, and that vid isnt it."
"If I see you preaching garbage, I will respond."

If Bill had posted the link to that same clip, would you have commented like that?
If Poynt had posted the link to that same clip, would you have commented like that?
If Farmhand had posted the link to that same clip, would you have commented like that?
If Brad had posted the link to that same clip, would you have commented like that?

We all know that the answer is that you would never had made comments like that.  This sick abusive behavior from you has to stop.

In one of the three waves where you relentlessly and viciously attacked me for weeks and weeks on end you called me a "freak" between half a dozen and a dozen times.  Then in another of the waves you called me an "idiot" perhaps 20 times.

You tell everyone right here and right now why you called me a "freak" on a public forum.
>>>

You have better get it through your thick head that I don't want you to engage with me at all.

Here is your quote again from me 1 1/2 years ago:

<<<  The reason you would want to make a motor that runs on a concealed battery would be as a lesson for others.  Too many people look at clips like that and they believe that they are real.  That's how the Perendev motor guy got rich and then got busted and is now in jail.  To be honest though that is secondary to my main point.  My main point was to use your scope and your wits and construct a timing diagram for the device.  Show the voltages and currents induced into the circuit as the magnet rotates.  That would not be easy for most people to do, it's a challenge.  Then you explain the timing diagram and that explains how the device works. It also would clearly explain how it's impossible for the device to work unless you add a battery.  The whole point is to demystify the device."  >>>

But of course you leave out the context.  We were discussing a fake motor clip on YouTube.  So I suggested that one way to educate people would be to emulate the same clip by building a comparable fake and then explaining to your audience how you built the fake.   The point being you are trying to do something positive by exposing a fake and showing how easy it was to do so that your audience would be that much wiser and learn from the experience.

Then you take that positive and take it out context and try to spin it as me having committed fraud or having encouraged inappropriate activity.  And of course it's not true but that doesn't seem to matter to you.

You are a morally bankrupt individual.  You think you see an opening to "get at me" so you go back 1 1/2 years and post something out of context in a failed attempt to make me look bad and make it look like I was lying and contradicting myself.  You are one pathetic desperate spin doctor with no morals and you will do anything you can go get at me, even if you have to make yourself look like an obsessed fool.

You fucking asshole Magluvin, what you just did illustrates precisely why I told you to NOT ENGAGE WITH ME ON THE FORUM.  What you just did is pure low life sleaze in a stupid nonsensical and untrue attempt to impugn my character.  You are fucking pathetic and stay the fuck away from me.

DO NOT ENGAGE WITH ME ON THE FORUM.

MileHigh

"But of course you leave out the context.  We were discussing a fake motor clip on YouTube.  So I suggested that one way to educate people would be to emulate the same clip by building a comparable fake and then explaining to your audience how you built the fake.   The point being you are trying to do something positive by exposing a fake and showing how easy it was to do so that your audience would be that much wiser and learn from the experience."


For you it is a positive experience.  Because you are negative toward ideas of OU.

Lets say I make a fake with a battery.  And it looks like a real deal, no batteries required. When people see it, and think its real at first, the the reveal that it is fake, it instills negativity toward the possibility of OU. So once some people see what looks like a working device, and each time it ends up a fake, soon they will neglect all ideas. It will instill absence of objectivity. Its like teaching "common core" education. " This is this and that is that, now move along folks, nothing more the see on these subjects." 8)   And thats exactly what you preach.  8) Move along folks, its all been worked out already. Move along. Nothing more to see here. ::)

Our great grand children will be lucky if they are just meat with eyes.


"But of course you leave out the context.  We were discussing a fake motor clip on YouTube."

You cannot prove it was a fake. Any evidence you have is all circumstantial. Yet you state it as fact that it is fake. Because that is your motive. 8) ;) Guilty until proven innocent. ;) ::)

Mags

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #156 on: December 06, 2013, 07:06:22 AM »


In one of the three waves where you relentlessly and viciously attacked me for weeks and weeks on end you called me a "freak" between half a dozen and a dozen times.  Then in another of the waves you called me an "idiot" perhaps 20 times.

You tell everyone right here and right now why you called me a "freak" on a public forum.
>>>



You really need to get your numbers right. ???   Yes I have called you a freak.  ;) When it seems appropriate.  ;) Its not like you couldnt be a freak at the time.  ;D   Anyone cant be that. And I think it is PG13, sooo.  ::)

Idiot?  Yeah, I said it. ;)   20 times?   ::) ;D Perhaps 2, 3 times.  Otherwise show us the links, and show your audience Im perhaps a 20 timer. lol 

But, we can compare what i just admitted saying, to what you just said......


"You fucking asshole Magluvin, what you just did illustrates precisely why I told you to NOT ENGAGE WITH ME ON THE FORUM.  What you just did is pure low life sleaze in a stupid nonsensical and untrue attempt to impugn my character.  You are fucking pathetic and stay the fuck away from me.

So now what?   ;) Is your turrets acting up again? :P

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #157 on: December 06, 2013, 07:14:15 AM »
I just sent Stefan an email that I copied you on requesting that he kick your ass off of this forum if you persist with your nonsense.

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #158 on: December 06, 2013, 08:44:19 AM »
I sent Stefan the following email and I will share it on this thread:

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Hi Stefan,

I thought making the points in a more simplified and succinct manner would help.

1.  BruceTPU alleges for a second time that I committed fraud or encouraged inappropriate activity.

2.  I respond stating that it's not true.  (Bruce has some nerve stating that.)

3.  Magluvin responds and takes a quote of mine out of context alleging that I encouraged inappropriate activity and calls me a liar.

I discussed making a fake motor for educational purposes to teach people to beware.  It was purely a hypothetical discussion and I never encouraged anybody to do anything wrong.  I was doing good when I had that conversation 1 1/2 years ago.

The issue is that you can't take a quote and twist the context and allege another person has encouraged inappropriate activity and also call them a liar when none of it is true.  It's unacceptable.

I have never encouraged inappropriate activity on this forum and I never would and I am a good person.  Magluvin is still alleging this after my response and it's simply unacceptable.  It's also completely ridiculous.  Magluvin is acting so sleazy and you can see from his last email that he is enjoying it.

Look at what he said, "You told Bruce you never encouraged making fakes. Well, I had shown that you did. So cry all you want."

Is is so ridiculous and so asinine it's almost hard to believe it's happening but unfortunately it's true that Magluvin made these totally inappropriate comments about me.

My posting 1 1/2 years ago was about a way of preventing fraud and Magluvin is trying to convince people that I encouraged fraud.

I really want this to stop and the only way that I can think of to make it stop is to put Magluvin on moderation or simply kick him off the forum.  I simply won't tolerate this nonsensical harassment and persecution from him.

MileHigh
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None of you would like to be in this position, it's simply unacceptable.  Magluvin might think that he is cool playing the fool but he's not.   Some kind of situation like this could happen to any one of you, think about that.

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #159 on: December 06, 2013, 09:27:06 AM »

SM thinks,hes thinking is
if they think I can make small ones, I can land the sucker investor,since I have real
 devices no one will question the fake ones,once I get hes money ,I will burn him and give him nothing.


The problem for SM was that as his small ones were so obviously faked, no investor with a half competent tech investigator would believe his big one was genuine. Producing obvious fakes severely reduces any chance of convincing investors that you have the real McCoy.

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #160 on: December 06, 2013, 10:19:03 AM »
Hoopy
The small tpu's only appear in an investor video ,so there is no issues.
Jack Durban said the investors brought with them electronic experts
to look at the big tpu no fraud was found.

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #161 on: December 06, 2013, 10:31:06 AM »
But who is Jack Durban ? And why should we trust what he says ?

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #162 on: December 06, 2013, 10:38:42 AM »
Hoopy
The small tpu's only appear in an investor video ,so there is no issues.
Jack Durban said the investors brought with them electronic experts
to look at the big tpu no fraud was found.

Was there a written report produced from the electronic experts for both the small and large ones?

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #163 on: December 06, 2013, 10:43:16 AM »
But who is Jack Durban ? And why should we trust what he says ?

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If I was SM, I would have reinforced belief by putting a Jack Durban in my plan!

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #164 on: December 06, 2013, 11:40:34 AM »
Yep me too Hoppy, sounds like a plan ! Looking at the quote from Wiki below about long con tricks then Jack would come in at about the "Hurrah" stage, he could also be a "convincer" as well, and some of the "investors" could also be "convincers" and part of the "In and in". He could also be maybe a corroborator with the aid of the shill "investor" "convincers" and "Shill electronics experts" as well. Possibly the top shill himself. Magicians often use shills and similar techniques to do much more elaborate displays. So it is entirely possible. The "approach" and "Build up" could be done through the internet as well as other ways. Who knows. Who is who really. How do we know SM is not still posting anonymously ? Trying to get more dime or just for fun.

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In Confessions of a Confidence Man, Edward H. Smith lists the "six definite steps or stages of growth in every finely balanced and well-conceived confidence game."

"One follows the other with absolute precision. In some games one or more of these acts, to use a theatrical comparison, may be dropped out, but where that happens the game is not a model one. The reference to the stage is apt, for the fine con game has its introduction, development, climax, dénouement and close, just like any good play. And this is not the only analogy to the drama, for the scenes are often as carefully set; the background is always a vital factor. In the colorful and mirthful language of the bunko man, all these parts of the game have their special names. I give them with their definitions:

Foundation Work
The preparations which are made before the scheme is put in motion, including the elaboration of the plan, the employment of assistants and so forth.

Approach
The manner of getting in touch with the victim—often most elaborately and carefully prepared.

Build-up
Rousing and sustaining the interest of the victim, introducing the scheme to him, rousing his greed, showing him the chance of profit and filling him so full of anticipation and cupidity that his judgment is warped and his caution thrown away.

Pay-off or Convincer
An actual or apparent paying of money by the conspirators to convince the victim and settle doubts by a cash demonstration. In the old banco game the initial small bets which the victim was allowed to win were the pay-off. In stock swindles the fake dividends sent to stockholders to encourage larger investments are the pay-off.

The Hurrah
This is like the dénouement in a play and no con scheme is complete without it. It is a sudden crisis or unexpected development by which the sucker is pushed over the last doubt or obstacle and forced to act. Once the hurrah is sprung the victim is clay in the schemer’s hands or there is no game.

The In-and-In
This is the point in a con game where the conspirator puts some of his money into the deal with that of the victim; first, to remove the last doubt that may tarry in the gull’s mind, and, second, to put the con man in control of the situation after the deal is completed, thus forestalling a squeal. Often the whole game is built up around this feature and just as often it does not figure at all.

In addition, some games require what is called 'corroboration', which means what it says. This is important in games where a banker or other shrewd customer is to be the victim."

I just want to say I tried to always use terms such as maybe and could have ect. so I am not making any accusations just saying what I think might have happened.

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