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Author Topic: How to make multiple Kicks  (Read 88841 times)

Offline MileHigh

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #120 on: December 04, 2013, 12:10:27 AM »
Bruce:

I don't have a scope or a bench, so I won't be making any tests.  So you can stop hammering on that point.

Indeed, there is nothing new in what you are showing.  In fact, the circuit is doing exactly what it's supposed to be doing.  That sets up a classic problem that occurs very frequently on the forums.  An experimenter sees something and gets all excited and believes that either they have discovered a new phenomenon or they have evidence for their theory of free energy.  Usually it's due to inexperience with respect to electronics.

In your case you see ticks and talk about getting energy from the Earth's magnetic field.  Or you talk about voltage alone doing something with no current, and stuff like that.

There is an explanation for what you are observing and it's all 100% conventional.  There is no excess energy or anything like that.  Your clips show the reality of what you are observing on your bench and that can't be challenged.  It's the interpretation where there is an issue and you need to relax and try to listen to other views.

Meggerman:

Indeed, SM using a hidden power source is the most likely explanation.  In clips like these, the "show time" is invariably limited because of the relatively high power consumption.  It also can spoof lots of people because they see a light bulb and they intuitively (and incorrectly) believe that it couldn't be batteries because batteries are normally low voltage and a light bulb is normally high voltage.

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #120 on: December 04, 2013, 12:10:27 AM »

Offline cheappower2012

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #121 on: December 04, 2013, 12:17:47 AM »
Bruce_TPU ,you suffer from SM hero worship,(SM can't lie,won't lie,and wants you to make hes TPU),
like some members at
Overunity Research you can't admit SM lies,was a conman and a crook.Everything
SM told you about TPU operation is a lie,your a fool if you believe it.
SM cheated countless people you can not take anything he said as truth.
Your blind to this fact,Jack Durban said of SM,"he lies even when he doesn't need to".
The first step in understanding How the TPU works is acknowledging SM is a conman ,liar and a crook.
I'm not a newbie,I have been around a long time and I remember you,
bouncing around the TPU threads then.At least a 100 replications of the TPU were done non worked
using information from SM.Why Milehigh debates with you is perplexing,talking to you is like going to an insane
asylum,asking to talk to the most disturbed patient(the one in the padded room,with the straitjacket) and
and attempting to carry on a conversation.


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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #122 on: December 04, 2013, 06:32:22 AM »
Bruce_TPU ,you suffer from SM hero worship,(SM can't lie,won't lie,and wants you to make hes TPU),
like some members at
Overunity Research you can't admit SM lies,was a conman and a crook.Everything
SM told you about TPU operation is a lie,your a fool if you believe it.
SM cheated countless people you can not take anything he said as truth.
Your blind to this fact,Jack Durban said of SM,"he lies even when he doesn't need to".
The first step in understanding How the TPU works is acknowledging SM is a conman ,liar and a crook.
I'm not a newbie,I have been around a long time and I remember you,
bouncing around the TPU threads then.At least a 100 replications of the TPU were done non worked
using information from SM.Why Milehigh debates with you is perplexing,talking to you is like going to an insane
asylum,asking to talk to the most disturbed patient(the one in the padded room,with the straitjacket) and
and attempting to carry on a conversation.

Ha!  Jack Durban said it so it must be true?  Really?  This from a man who confessed to plotting Stevens kidnapping, but didnt go through with it.  Excellent character witness.

I do not make judgements of other people based on internet comments.   I have over 600 pages of Stevens writings.  My judgements I make are based on what I read and discern for myself.

I am only concerned with the tpu, not what you or anyone else think that Steven did or did not do.

Look to the sin in your own life before passing judgment on another.  That is not SM worhip that is Bible.  I worship the Lord Jesus Christ the true Messiah, but will speak up for those who are dead and can not defend themselves fromslander.

I have said all I am going to say about your buddy mile high.  He can do his own testing (he wont) and his own experimenting (he won't).  That says it all, eh?  Lol. I dont debate arrogant pc heroes who should have been kickedvof of this forum a long time ago...with TK.  Ha...wanna talk about fraud?  How about Milehigh and Tk's "working" Ocal magnet motor..eh?  That was fraud, lying, and bearing false witness. 

Paid schills.  I know it.  They know it.

Poynt99 I respect 110 percent...but not these others.  Just sn fyi.

Have a good day!

Bruce

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #122 on: December 04, 2013, 06:32:22 AM »
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Offline cimpocte

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #123 on: December 04, 2013, 07:06:27 AM »
Hello Bruce ,

I'm watching your work regarding Steven Mark's TPU for a while and I respect and appreciate all your experiments and findings .
You said that : "I have over 600 pages of Stevens writings " and I'm a little bit confused because on the internet I could find only few compilations concerning this (some emails between Steven and Lindsay ) .

Can you post or tell me where I can find some of those writings of Steven Mark ?

Thank's in advance !

Best Regards
Theodor

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #124 on: December 04, 2013, 07:46:36 AM »
Bruce:

I am just an ordinary person with a technical background.  Your allegations that I am a paid shill are absolutely and unequivocally untrue.  Plus you are not even using the meaning of the term properly.  I just post here and sometimes chat with TK, we are online friends.  Your unfounded allegations about me and fraud are raising a few eyebrows around here.  I fight fraud and many people can attest to that.

With respect to arrogance, perhaps you should consider why any government agent would have any interest in you.  You are just an ordinary guy like me playing with a scope, batteries, transistors and coils.  The idea that the government is watching the free energy websites to preserve the current order in the economic system is just a tall tale being spun by the other side.  You know the people that make Sterling Allen jump through hoops?  Those are the guys that you should be worried about.

The TPU is a dead end because magnetics are really well understood.  I would take it that you disagree.  So the challenge for you is to demo something if you really have something.  But if and when you share, you are doing so in the context of a forum where different views can be expressed.

Bruce, there are societal issues at play.  If we assume for the sake of argument that the whole Steven Mark thing is bunk, then if you actively promote it and keep dropping hints that you have something, then as a society these things have to be debated.  This feedback or control system is a vital part of our collective well being.  We as a society have made so many mistakes in the past and we will keep on making mistakes.  But we have to learn and adapt to prevent mistakes also.

There have been a lot of big burns in the free energy and renewable energy industry and a lot of innocent people have lost a lot of money.  You are not part and parcel of that at all, but the same principles are at play.  So we need some balance and you should respect that.  Nobody is stopping you if you have ideas to express or clips to make.  As part of that process you should be willing to engage with people in a civil manner.  If you are going to make a technical pitch then you have to deal with technical questions.  It's even supposed to be fun to debate.

MileHigh

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #124 on: December 04, 2013, 07:46:36 AM »
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Offline Hoppy

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #125 on: December 04, 2013, 09:16:56 AM »
Hi Bruce,
Think that SM could have faked nearly all the experiments using stripped down Cyclon batteries.
That is not to say I think he did - just that, I think, the battery tech was available then and it would have been fairly easy to pull off.
I am sure Cyclon batteries were around at the time as they were used by control line model planes that looped around a pole in the ground.


Meggerman

Having followed the TPU thread through much of its long drawn-out existence, I agree that SM faked all of the smaller TPU's. It's also very likely that the large TPU was faked, despite being cut through with a hack saw, simply by cutting through the toroid in a convenient gap between battery cells.  As has been previously pointed out by Milehigh, its quite feasible to conceal enough batteries in all of the TPU's to demonstrate the lighting of lamps for the duration shown in the various videos posted. See my faked replication of the small TPU here. This fake was quickly knocked-up using a 'ring' of Ni-Cad 'C' cells and a simple transformer inverter all wound up in black duct tape. I deliberately did not want to build this fake well enough to cast any doubt that it was not a fake, thus you can see the outline of the transformer and battery cells through the duct tape. However, I could have quite easily faked a much better built and more believable TPU, especially the big TPU.

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #126 on: December 04, 2013, 09:58:02 AM »
Hoppy
Here you go again,last time you called a.king21 a liar.Did you use a 100 watt bulb,what was the output dc or ac.How long did it light.

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #126 on: December 04, 2013, 09:58:02 AM »
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Offline Hoppy

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #127 on: December 04, 2013, 02:02:37 PM »
Hoppy
Here you go again,last time you called a.king21 a liar.Did you use a 100 watt bulb,what was the output dc or ac.How long did it light.

  ??? To the contrary, as I have in the past congratulated Bruce on his work. Just because my opinion is that SM most likely faked his videos, does not mean that I think that Bruce is lying and I have certainly not said this!

The bulb I used was 240V / 60W rated and it stayed alight for at least 10mins. The bulb ran on AC. The cells were not tagged sintered plate, so I could have had much better performance from good quality, heavy duty Ni-Cads.

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #128 on: December 04, 2013, 02:11:01 PM »
  ??? To the contrary, as I have in the past congratulated Bruce on his work. Just because my opinion is that SM most likely faked his videos, does not mean that I think that Bruce is lying and I have certainly not said this!

The bulb I used was 240V / 60W rated and it stayed alight for at least 10mins. The bulb ran on AC. The cells were not tagged sintered plate, so I could have had much better performance from good quality, heavy duty Ni-Cads.

And what was the weight of your faked TPU?

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #129 on: December 04, 2013, 03:26:51 PM »
And what was the weight of your faked TPU?

I didn't weigh it.

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #130 on: December 04, 2013, 07:11:45 PM »
And what was the weight of your faked TPU?

Can you list the weights of all of SM's "tpu's". I don't see what weight has to do with it.

SM would have used the latest in battery tech as well as the smallest transformers that would work for a few minutes without burning out. All the investors were likely either "plants" or were the targets to be ripped off. Use some fake investors to suck in some real ones. Con men do that kind of stuff.

The scientist guy he got an opinion from was likely paid. No one has replicated any part of any effects of free energy from a tpu.

The concerns of most of us are many, but one of my concerns is that people like you keep the myth alive and new people get sucked in, they come to forums like this and cause havoc they ask all kinds of questions people cannot answer without offending or embarrassing them Same happens with Tesla, nutcases like Utkin push all kinds of rubbish and then we get bombarded with the questions about obscure theories that make no sense or are clearly bastardizations of Tesla's intent.

Back to SM, I could tell by looking at him and his manner that he was a con man, big time, his answers to question and his comments rang alarm bells in me immediately.

No different in principal to Witts and other con artists.

My question to Bruce is, you have a lot of time working on this stuff. Can you show us 10 Watts of free power dissipated in a load from a tpu with no batteries or other power supply connected at any time while running, any thing you can wave a magnet over and get to power a load ?

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #131 on: December 04, 2013, 08:46:17 PM »
Can you list the weights of all of SM's "tpu's". I don't see what weight has to do with it.
Should I belive you more then Dr. Schinziger? He could not detect any fraud
and no battery could have provided the output power.
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SM would have used the latest in battery tech as well as the smallest transformers that would work for a few minutes without burning out. All the investors were likely either "plants" or were the targets to be ripped off. Use some fake investors to suck in some real ones. Con men do that kind of stuff.
Even with the newest battery tech today you would not reach same result. If so, then pleas show here.
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The scientist guy he got an opinion from was likely paid. No one has replicated any part of any effects of free energy from a tpu.
And you are not paid? And because till now no one could replicate the TPU means it is a fraud? Super logic of you.

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The concerns of most of us are many, but one of my concerns is that people like you keep the myth alive and new people get sucked in, they come to forums like this and cause havoc they ask all kinds of questions people cannot answer without offending or embarrassing them Same happens with Tesla, nutcases like Utkin push all kinds of rubbish and then we get bombarded with the questions about obscure theories that make no sense or are clearly bastardizations of Tesla's intent.
People like you are only talking a lot without to contribute anything to it.
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Back to SM, I could tell by looking at him and his manner that he was a con man, big time, his answers to question and his comments rang alarm bells in me immediately.
Seems you have a very bad glass ball at home.
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My question to Bruce is, you have a lot of time working on this stuff. Can you show us 10 Watts of free power dissipated in a load from a tpu with no batteries or other power supply connected at any time while running, any thing you can wave a magnet over and get to power a load ?
Why should he do? Keep in mind that it is also a dangerous tech. and your attitude seems not be so friendly.  ;D

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #132 on: December 04, 2013, 10:54:33 PM »

Even with the newest battery tech today you would not reach same result. If so, then pleas show here.


I've just shown you a video of how at least the small TPU's it can be faked using batteries and these were not even good ones! Granted the big TPU would be a more of a challenge to fake using batteries but remember that with an operation at this scale involving investors, even the bulbs become an important component to properly investigate.

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #133 on: December 05, 2013, 01:19:31 AM »
@Hoppy,
You mention about using NiCd or NiMH batteries to fake this device.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not think it would be possible.
The high current draw required is just not possible with these cells, plus the make of them I doubt would allow you to unspiral them to make a toroid shape.
Also, the tech behind this type of cell would have been very poor in 1997.
You must remember that if you want to build a fake replica, you have to use circa 1997 parts, not 2013 parts.
I have just tried various NiCd C cells and the best they can manage is about 4.5A
So 1.2V x 4.5A = 5.4W
A 20 cell drill pack for a cordless drill, 24V @ 4A could produce 96watts, but this would be very large.
Your video shows a large ring, not a small one.
Much better to use lead-acid cells as I mentioned before.
These can push about 400A on a single D cell.


@Bruce,
people have said this is not worth pursuing because we all know what there is to know about magnetics - not so true.
just recently Nasa have discovered magnetic portals that are opened up between the sun's and earth's magnetic fields.
If these portals could be controlled and a magnetic vortex channelled into a small device the output power could be very high.
If a large percentage of the power could be channelled it would probably vaporise even a very large device with ease.


http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sunearth/news/mag-portals.html#.Up_E399kf3U


I have some ideas I plan to try using a magnetic resonant coupling setup to check for field disruption.
Additional chip based magnetic sensors could be employed to check for change of angle in the field patterns.


Meggerman

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Re: How to make multiple Kicks
« Reply #134 on: December 05, 2013, 01:42:08 AM »
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