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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2364803 times)

jegz

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Marathon man. The concept is the same..in actuality figuera is the somplest and is the kind of machine that could solve the problems of a rural villager who doesnt have time to learn zero point resonance  mumbo jumbo.The whole idea of this rendition is to use the oscillator to distort the position of the blochwall and induce current in L2 which are counterwound/bucking coils hence cancel back emf. regarding output that is dependent on the combination of variables used.




marathonman

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Similar Yes, using another coil to manipulate other coils what Figuera achieved with just two coils working in unison. good set up though and your right Figuera is the most simple of them all. it's just most can't understand the logic behind part G being thrown off by the drawing and Patent wording even though it is very simple set up of using magnetic field to manipulate currant.
Figuera even said it was so simple he couldn't believe no one thought of it before.

I'm building both moving and non moving part G, thinking of finishing non moving first but have core for both now. i have studied part G for quite some time and figured out that i can use Transistors on the high side (ONLY) to mimic rotation and not interfere with the kickback into part G from the declining electromagnets being shoved out of the secondary core feeding part G every half rotation. (NO IC's CAN BE ON THE LOW SIDE)  field rotation in part G will still take place and other functions, i just have to make sure that the primaries are balanced just like Doug has stated.

jegz

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just wondering though how I would go about creating a true sine wave from part G such that the induced current wont need to be passed through rectifier then an inverter to give a frequency that wont damage sensitive equipment

marathonman

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Why would you need a true sine wave from part G? part G is DC feed and the frequency is controlled in the original part G by a DC motor. the speed you set of the motor or high side transistors is what set the frequency in the secondary output.
if you set the motor or transistor timing at 60 rpm/hz then your output from your secondaries will be 60 hz as the polarity if i am correct will change every half turn of part G just like a sine wave so the need for a inverter is not necessary.
i think you are getting the two circuits mixed up, part G and the primaries are DC. the secondaries are AC so that means the frequency is controlled by the motor or Transistor timing.
i hope this give a little clarity to the situation.
MM

jegz

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youre the one who doesnt understand what I mean..even a conventional generator putting out 60 hz may not be true sine wave and  could potentially damage sensitive equipment hence needing conversion to dc and back to ac with a true sinewave inverter...hence the term inverter- generator producing 'clean power'...what Id love to see is actual solid state  circuits at part G that (assuming L1 and L2 are identical in length that produce a perfect sine wave, hence reducing the components needed to build this device.

marathonman

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Yes i understand your your concern now, well i guess your going to have to build it to find out since the people that have a working device have not post that info.
i'm curious as you mention L1 and L2 are you planing to build Figuera's device or the one in previous post.

i will be using solid state to control the timing on one of my part G builds using that to control high side transistors. it wont be sine wave timing but the reaction in part G to the secondaries will be sine wave, how true the sine wave is i will not know until i build and test it.

RandyFL

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Hello All
It seems we all get hot around the collar... at some point here. Take a break from the forum...and come back whenst you regroup. But let's keep moving forward...

We must be making some progress when Bajac, Erfinder and who knows... may be Clemente himself ( spiritually ) shows up...

This thread has a direction, and I don't have any desire to start a new one. 

this thread has direction...let's stay focused on it...

Erfinder I remember you from that other forum with the " Ufo " fella...
hope all is well

R

ps Bajac...........what about your progress report/s.... sheesh
« Last Edit: May 13, 2016, 03:31:20 AM by RandyFL »

marathonman

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"this thread has direction"

You've got to be joking right. this thread has no direction because nobody on this site studies the patent in any detail. i was once lost but pulled my head out of my back side and realized THE DRAWING IS JUST A DRAWING to emphasize the actions of the device.

who here has actually studied part G more than five minutes. well em....hey i have for many months, wow that something new "research".
while i know i am not any authoritative on any subject i have made many strides in the part G department, enough to know the DRAWING is just that a DRAWING and the fact that part G IS NOT RESISTORS. imagine that !

so with no resistors involved you have to ask yourself, "how in the world did Figuera's device very the currant". the ONLY thing left and the ONLY LOGICAL EXPLANATION is a MAGNETIC FIELD.

it has been proven many, many times that a magnetic field slows currant down to a crawl.  do the study yourself at home, take a coil of magnet wire, hook it up to your variac if you have one then place a load on the wire and put a piece of iron or what ever you have in the coil and see what happens. OMG ! did i just see the light i used for a load get dim. imagine that !

well then we have the Figuera device part G that does the same thing as the above experiment except it does it on a continuous basis every time it rotates. sure you can get more technical and start calling it XL and what not's but bottom line Figuera used a magnetic field in the core of part G to very the currant through his primaries.

their is more to part G fella's then a simple drawing.

the more winding's you  have on part G the more currant will be curtailed. just remember you only need to very the currant enough to clear the secondary.

Happy Figuering.

marathonman

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Quote; "Just to be straight....I stated that this thread has "a" direction, implying that my introducing Tesla was off subject.  Whether this thread has direction is a matter of opinion.  Whether it does or not is not why I decided to post."

i wasn't questioning the post at all and understood your intentions. i was basically referring to the direction as a whole.

Impedance through self induction works for me. what ever label you want to use.  Figuera used magnetic field in part G not resistors, this much is true.

Yes!  Figuera was true Genius.

marathonman

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For the record, I was.

it seems Mr Figuera understood more about magnetic fields then all the lousy collage books in America combined.
it took me about a year to find what i have and that wasn't from any present day book let alone any publication from about the 40's on.
modern day physics or magnetic publications are completely useless especially when it comes to any thing pointing to Einstein. 
i don't think it is coincident that in the US is completely void of any decent magnetic research. JP Morgan started this type of BS and it must be broken, it broke Tesla's back.

« Last Edit: May 14, 2016, 06:12:03 AM by marathonman »

forest

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Fortunately Clemente Figuera was not the only one. If one person is telling you are an idiot, then it's most probably mad man, but when 100 are telling the same , then definately something is wrong ... The Truth cannot be hidden forever. The climate change is the proof the current economy must collapse due to false foundations.

NRamaswami

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Mr.Forest..What is the truth that is hidden? Can you tell me that?

Mr. Er Finder..Sir..You appear to be very knowledgeable. Why do you say that Figuera was not a Genius? He was living in an island that is close to Morocco. He did not have the funding or facilties of Dr. Tesla. If you think that the 1908 Patent is unworkable because Prof. Figuera makes the claim that the rotary device will work continuously and the device will run indefinitely and so he is not a Genius as it is against physics. (Normal wear and tear prevents an electromechanical device from running continuously or indefinitely and it is not possible) I would agree with you. But Are you sure that the Patent of Prof. Figuera has not been tampered with?

You can go here www.alpoma.net/tecob/?page_id=8258

Figuera Principle is valid up to this point where the quote ends.

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PATENT by CLEMENTE FIGUERA (year 1908) No. 44267 (Spain)

Ministry of Development General Board of agriculture, industry and Commerce. Patents of Invention. Expired. Dossier number 44267. Instruction at the request of D. Clemente Figuera. Representative Mr. Buforn. Presented in the register of the Ministry in the 31st of october of 1908, at 11:55 received in the negotiated in the 2nd of november of 1908.
ELECTRICAL GENERATOR “FIGUERA”

BACKGROUND

if within a spinning magnetic field we rotate a closed circuit placed at right angles to the lines of force a current will be induced for as long as there is movement , and whose sign will depend on the direction in which the induced circuit moves.
This is the foundation of all magnetic machines and electric dynamos from the primitive, invented by Pixii, France and modified and improved later by Clarke until the current dynamos of today.

The principle where is based this theory, carries the unavoidable need for the movement of the induced circuit or the inductor circuit, and therefore these machines are taken as transformer of mechanical work into electricity.

PRINCIPLE OF THE INVENTION

Watching closely what happens in a Dynamo in motion, is that the turns of the induced circuit approaches and moves away from the magnetic centers of the inductor magnet or electromagnets, and those turns,  while spinning, go through sections of the magnetic  field of different power, because, while this has its maximum attraction in the center of the core of each electromagnet, this action will weaken as the induced  is separated from the center of the electromagnet, to increase again, when the induced is approaching the center of another electromagnet with opposite sign to the first one.

Because we all know that the effects that are manifested when a closed circuit approaches and moves away from a magnetic center are the same as when, this circuit being still and motionless, the magnetic field is increased and reduced in intensity;  since any variation , occurring in the flow traversing a circuit is producing electrical  induced current .It was considered the possibility of building a machine that would work, not in the principle of movement, as do the current dynamos, but using the principle of increase and decrease, this is the variation of the power of the magnetic field, or the electrical current which produces it.

The voltage from the total current of the current dynamos is the sum of partial induced currents born in each one of the turns of the induced. Therefore it matters little to these induced currents if they were obtained by the turning of the induced, or by the variation of the magnetic flux that runs through them; but in the first case, a greater source of mechanical work than obtained electricity is required, and in the second case, the force necessary to achieve the variation of flux is so insignificant that it can be derived without any inconvenience, from the one supplied by the machine.

Until the present no machine based on this principle has been applied yet to the production of large electrical currents, and which among other advantages, has suppressed any necessity for motion and therefore the force needed to produce it.
In order to privilege the application to the production of large industrial electrical currents, on the principle that says that “there is production of induced electrical current provided that you change in any way the flow of force through the induced circuit,” seems that it is enough with the previously exposed; however, as this application need to materialize in a machine, there is need to describe it in order to see how to carry out a practical application of said principle.

This principle is not new since it is just a consequence of the laws of induction stated by Faraday in the year 1831: what it is new and requested to privilege is the application of this principle to a machine which produces large industrial electrical currents which until now cannot be obtained but transforming mechanical work into electricity.

Let’s therefore make the description of a machine based on the prior principle which is being privileged; but it must be noted, and what is sought is the patent for the application of this principle, that all machines built based on this principle, will be included in the scope of this patent, whatever the form and way that has been used to make the application.

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After numerous experiments I have come to the conclusion that the patent disclosure ( it was not a patent application) has been altered. Some one published the information in 2013. I do not know who? A patent information disclosure document is not a patent application and it is a secret document for ever. No priority date is obtained by the filing of the document except to prove who is the first inventor when the patent application is filed and if there is any dispute.

It is impossible for an electromechanical device like Part G which Tesla admits will create a lot of sparks to run indefinitely. It is against the law of wear and tear of mechanical devices. However Mr.Er Finder would do a big mistake if he thinks that this is the device of Figura.

I will not dare say this unless I have reason to believe. Today I'm not in a position to do any experiments as the team of people that did the experiments have moved away from me all due to different reasons. I pesonally cannot do much as these result in high voltage currents and I'm not a qualified Eelctrician or Electrical Engineer and I needed the support of other competent hands to do what I described to them.

Mr. Forest.. Please read the porition of the patent quoted above. That is genuine information. Correct to my experimental observations. I did not know how to make the device run on its own. After all I'm not a qualified person. But let me tell you that giving a lower input and getting a higher output is easy. Very easy. You just need to open your mind a bit.

Regards,

Ramaswami




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I'd just like to mention the 60hz sine wave problem.  As both dc pulses from the primaries are occurring at the same time
one is on the increase while the other is decreasing.  These 2 pulses are effectively added together to form a much larger
pulse that activates the secondary.
  To get a sine-wave output, driving these pulses at 60hz is only the first step. There'll be much hash mixed in with 60hz.
So the secondary will have to be tuned to resonance at 60hz to get a decent sine-wave.
   It would be nice to eliminate the dc inverter. But that inverter does have other advantages besides the pure sine-wave output.
You could  pulse the primaries at whatever frequency you choose at somewhere between 100 to 600hz.
You could then rectify the output for pure 12 volt dc to run inverter.


  Anyone who studies electricity should know that 60 cycle power is highly inefficient.
A higher freq. means the units could be much smaller, not to mention that faster pulsing means the capture of more free energy.
   I'll soon be ready to try out my own unit as I just got in some power transistors which I needed.
Anyone ordering these things from China should be aware of factory rejects or seconds.
  I received 10 pnp tranistors a few weeks ago and they all checked bad with open emitters. Can't complain because the price was so low
and free shipping.   It's the long waiting time that really matters.

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   I'll soon be ready to try out my own unit as I just got in some power transistors which I needed.
Anyone ordering these things from China should be aware of factory rejects or seconds.
  I received 10 pnp tranistors a few weeks ago and they all checked bad with open emitters. Can't complain because the price was so low
and free shipping.   It's the long waiting time that really matters.

"  they all checked bad with open emitters. Can't complain because the price was so low
and free shipping.   It's the long waiting time that really matters."

So it doesn't matter that they don't " work "...

R

marathonman

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OMG all 10 were bad, i'm very sorry Clif but i couldn't help from laughing. i received my 14 IXGK400N30A3 from Mouser and all of them were good.
although solid iron will go higher than that frequency, i think i'll stick with 60 for now just to see how things work out. another fact is that if you run it at a higher frequency part G core has to be able to handle it also.

and by the way if you build part G and do a shotty job it will spark like mad but a certain person i know used a grinding tool just for that purpose and said it couldn't be any more perfect. and also stated that if the brushes are very good quality their is surprisingly very little wear.
I see the broken record is back.