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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2364800 times)

antijon

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« Reply #3000 on: January 20, 2016, 10:08:20 PM »
How2, what's up bro. Tesla switch... According to Tesla's ozone patent, the only purpose of the switch is to provide a high current pulse to the oscillator circuit. A simple make and break.

Figuera's is a make before break. Honestly, the other circuit powering a load with batteries in series, it would eventually stop, dissipating all its energy as heat in the batteries. Just my assumption. But it's funny that he commented some overcharge and some completely discharge... Yeah, that's kind of what happens when you overcharge a battery.

The wimhurst is interesting, but so are all other static generators. You should read up on a perfect current source, which is impossible, but still, as load resistance increases, voltage increases, and so does power out. All you need is a source of current with zero internal resistance.  ;D

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3001 on: January 20, 2016, 11:08:07 PM »
I like how Buforn explained  the reason the cores are so close to each other and when you think about it, it makes a lot of sense.
each electromagnet puts out electric field radiating in different directions, (wave as he put it, or rather Figuera did and he copied)  so by being so close to each other they will pick up radiating fields from the electromagnets next to one another further enhancing it's induction and output.

quote."t is generally assumed that an electric current flows through a conductor
winning one molecule of the wire after the other; but bear in mind that this
current flowing through the conductor exerts actions on other independent
conductors, although physically nearby, as happens in induction. It seems
more settled with the truth, to think that the electricity propagates by waves,
and when these waves find a better conductor body than the atmosphere
where they have been produced, they take the easiest path, yet in the form of
waves, but deforming their spherical shape and stretching along the direction
of the conductor because they clearly not confine its trip to the mass and the
surface of the conductor, but getting outside of it, (if we can so express this
concept), they produce action on other conductors which are at a small
distance away."
Nice !

How2,
"At some points I can see currents almost crashing against each other in the same wire,  or magnetic-fields crashing against each other   Or,   maybe these effects could happen in the 'Resistor Coil"

as the field of the declining electromagnet is shoved out of the secondary it could quite possibly be shoved back into the system reducing the input drive currant to nothing.
« Last Edit: January 21, 2016, 11:09:20 AM by marathonman »

antijon

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3002 on: January 21, 2016, 05:29:14 PM »
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« Last Edit: January 21, 2016, 09:13:51 PM by antijon »

antijon

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« Reply #3003 on: January 21, 2016, 06:06:27 PM »
Edit: For those that saw my previous posts, my mistake. It helps to properly understand simulators. lol
« Last Edit: January 21, 2016, 09:15:20 PM by antijon »

NRamaswami

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3004 on: January 21, 2016, 09:46:16 PM »
Some very quick post..I donot come here now..need to survive.

1. Marathonman..Saw your Curve on Magnetic Field Strength and Ampere turns. I donot know where you got that 2 Tesla figure. Probably valid for a solid core. For iron ords with Gaps the high magnetic field strength ought to be in the region of 2.9 Tesla to 3.7 Tesla. If you have a copy of the Awesome Life Force or Ultimate Reality by Joesph Cater you would come across this as a hint. I found a website with detailed figures and we calculated using Excel. Best one comes at 3.7 but the heating problem comes and so between 2.9 to 3.3 Tesla is ideal.

2. Hanon I saw you Bucking coil Diagram How do you say that the poles there are NN Current rotates in both primaries in the same direction as the input is given from the ends. The polarity there is NS-NS-NS.  Current would roatate in One in clockwise direction (in your picture on the left hand side it is clockwise and on the right hand side it is Counter clock wise). Check polarity. It is NS-NS-NS. If you look at the left hand side on top current rotates at the CW direction from the top. At the right hand side which will now be in bottom Current again rotates in the CW direction. Polarity is NS only here. The secondaries are placed between opposite poles.

3. Secondaries with the identical poles facing each other can be made to work to produce output. like SN-NS-SN. But not in a straight pole. For that to work the Geometrical shape of the device is totally different. And not the one indicated by Figuera or Buforn. But it is a different Geometical shape. We have successfully experimented on that as well but ignored it for lack of funds. Secondly it is much more expensive to build it.

4. A commutator on DC motors is sturdy enough to work for long time and a mechanical commutator can be so arranged to create any desired frequency. This is a well known fact. However We have only one city where this kind of DC commutators can be ordered and many have closed down. We have build a commutator personally and tested it and I posted the video of it long back. And I came to the conclusion that it is not necessary. There are many solutions to the same problem.

5. As it is interestingly indicated at one place Buforn says 100 watts input can lead to 20000 watts output and he indicates that the output is 300 Amperes. A wire that can carry 300 amperes in coils must be capable of carrying 600 amperes in stright line. Why no thought is being given to this. If the primary carried only 1 amp and secondary carried 300 amps then it goes without saying that the primary is a thinner wire and secondary is a thicker wire. Just as indicated by Daniel McFarland Cook.   

6. I had been told that if a Tesla coil spark is given to a copper plate and the copper plate is sent to earth through a thick coil of wire the wire will not only have high voltage but will also have high amperage. As high as 1000 amps. But for that it must have very thick insulation. Was unable to test these things. Where is the money?

Unfortunately due to funding shortages I had to stop all these interesting experiments. I will do it some time in future when I;m able to do it. May be after 8 to 10 months. 

Please go here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_rod See who is the inventor..For your information In India we have had Tall Temples that are over thousand year old. None has been hit by lightening. You know why? They had this inbuilt as per the Hindu Sastras which are 5000+ years old. If any one has got the opportunity to study Austrian Scientist Viktor Schauberger he would explain how water can be conserved in a place and ground water level can be maintained. That system is build in the Hindu Temple Water Ponds.

I believe Tesla did this self sustaining DC generator in 1885 and for commercial reasons kept quiet.

Regards,

Ramaswami

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« Reply #3005 on: January 21, 2016, 11:02:25 PM »
To tell you the truth i don't know why i am even Acknowledging your crazy post but hear it goes.

for one,  the max Gauss's of pure Iron is @ 2.15 to 2.2 Tesla's and if someone did their home work they would know this and wouldn't wind up sick with their feet the size of Elephant's feet from all the RF damage radiating from a poorly designed device you call a success. if you ever want to open up a hot dog stand your device would be great Microwave emitter to heat up the dogs. just please keep your feet and hands away.

two,  is i have both those books and are garbage if you ask me, a total waste of money. all he does is speculate and has proven zilch or even built zilch. basically another Tom Bearden or Peter Lindemann. all these people do is sell books and get rich off of other people's ignorance and i for one not knowing at the time fell into this trap.

as for the outrages currant 300 amps that was posted is total BS. all a person needs is 41.6 amps @ 480 volts = 20,000 watts.
if that is taken through a 480-240/120 split Phase transformer everything will be ok as far as i know. even that is way beyond what the average household needs. who the heck needs 300 amps.

and last you have to realize we are NOT working on your RF device, we are working on 1908 Figuera Patent. it as we all understand it is NN design.... or SS if your into that kind of stuff. ha ha ha

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« Reply #3006 on: January 22, 2016, 02:52:28 AM »
Marathonman:

1. It was taken from some University website and extrapolated to Excel by us. You can do some search and find the University values that tested iron up to 10-20 Teslas of various types of iron.

2. The Elephantine legs are gone. Turns out that apart from all this I was working for 20 hours a day and sitting before the computer in my chair has caused the body fluids to store in the legs. Not due to the device. No other person who experimented suffered this and only mine. They all kept moving and had no ill effects. I had to sleep for 10 to 12 hours a day, steam the legs and do a 30 minute walk in the beack a day without shoes on bare feet ( we can do it in our hot country in the beach) and well the elephantine legs are gone. Turns out that I need to do a lot of yoga exercises to tone up the entire body especially the legs as they have become weak.

3. I have no comments to make on NN or NS. I have made both of them to work and I'm aware that for SN-NS-SN kind of thing to work you need a different geometry and the straight line does not permit it. If you go back to the earlier pages there are people admitting that identical poles produce zero volts.

4. I have done experiments and no theories. Cater is reported to have built a device in 1971 and applied for patent and was prohibited under National Security laws and then he kind of became a rebel. His information to the most part is inaccurate and misleading but he provides hints as to how certain things can be done. If we expect these people to disclose fully what they have done and how they have done and try to replicate it we will end up with failures. If we understand the principles we can succeed.

5. I do not know any thing about Tom Beardon but he uses a permanent magnet in the middle of the MEG if I'm correct to increase the magnetic field strength and prevents the collapsing of the magnetic field strength to zero. I look at the principles and try to understand them and not try to copy to the dot. I have to agree that most information given is misleading and inaccurate if taken accurately.

6. I would agree with you on the need to use a lower amperage output but we need to see what is given in the patent. If the patent says 100 volts and 1 amp input and it is acceptable to you, then why the 300 amp output is not acceptable is not clear to me. Back in the 1900s DC was the most used one and high amp DC required thick wires and the wires that were available were only like that intended to carry DC to short distances at considerable lossses.

Any way I'm not able to continue to post here as frequently as I used to. And I'm sorry about it.

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« Reply #3007 on: January 22, 2016, 08:21:17 PM »
The  simulations which were posted on this page,  have been deleted.

But, if simulators could possibly produce overunity,  you could simulate 2 of the 3 main components,  the primary-coils-inducing-the-central-secondary-coils,   and the resistor-coil,   but not the rotating-switch-unit.
(  even if simulators are not good enough to produce overunity,  maybe there is a simulator which has a  'different-view' function which creates an animated diagram that shows what is going on in  the primary-coils-inducing-the-central-secondary-coils,   and the resistor-coil ,   to make it more understandable to those of us much less knowledgeable in electrical-circuits  )

   The recent posters have ruled out the possibility that the  rotating-switch-unit  could possibly have had any similar effect to a  rotating-tesla-switch  http://panaceatech.org/Tesla%20Switch.pdf  ,  they have the required knowledge in this area .

You could just build and test  2 of the 3 main components, separately,  and using less coils,  to try and detect any overunity.
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  What rotates the  rotating-switch-unit,  I cannot see a motor mentioned in the device,  or even any permanent-magnets  to cause a homopolar-motor  effect .
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You should read up on a perfect current source, which is impossible, but still, as load resistance increases, voltage increases, and so does power out. All you need is a source of current with zero internal resistance.

The closest thing could be  a  Persistent-Current ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistent_current ) powering an  Electric-Motor( made 'Entirely' out of superconducting material ),  so that all of the electrical-conducting material( wiring and motor etc )  used in this idea is entirely made out of superconducting-material,  so that there would be no energy lost through heat.
    And maybe, this idea could be run in a vacuum .
(  Normal electric-motors only lose energy through heat,  they waste no energy in generating the electromagnetic-fields to make the motor spin,  although,  the electrical-current changes the winding's into temporary-magnets,  so I assume that those winding's could be considered a load because they are not yet the temporary-magnets that the electrical-current turns them into,  but I am not sure  )
(  Some time ago I noticed that a  Persistent-Current energy-storage( or was it generating ) device had already been built, for some specific application,  but I can no longer find that )

Even More Off Topic
I once discovered that by placing a permanent-magnet right up next to an electric-motor,  that the motor  sped up very-very significantly,  I assume what happened is that the permanent-magnet increased the magnetic strength of the permanent-magnets already present in the motor,  I replicated it a couple of times,   and then later on,  I actually discovered that someone on the internet had discovered the same thing,   but only 1 other person,  but the replication by the other person is too hard to find .
« Last Edit: January 23, 2016, 12:12:43 AM by how2 »

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« Reply #3008 on: January 22, 2016, 09:39:12 PM »
Adding a magnet to the outside of a PM motor has been known to several of us on the Energetic Forum for at least the last couple of years.  I just recently discovered that it also works with a universal type motor if that motor is run on DC.  What was also interesting is that a large ceramic magnet worked much better than a small neo magnet.  I don't have a way to prove this but I think the neo magnet may be over saturating the laminations of the motor.  Please don't tell Milehigh about this as he is convinced magnets can't do work so therefore what we have seen must not be possible.

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« Reply #3009 on: January 22, 2016, 09:40:05 PM »
Antijon, why did you delete your posts???

How2, why do you make posts off topic and even more off topic? You are welcome to create a new thread about the tesla switch in particular.

Click on the World Globe Sketch located under my nickname to go a website full of info.

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« Reply #3010 on: January 22, 2016, 10:28:01 PM »
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3. I have no comments to make on NN or NS. I have made both of them to work and I'm aware that for SN-NS-SN kind of thing to work you need a different geometry and the straight line does not permit it. If you go back to the earlier pages there are people admitting that identical poles produce zero volts.
Ramaswami, sorry man, but it does work, and quite well. Even in a simulator.

Guys, you should try this sometime if you're bored. The resistor is variable, so it can be adjusted on the fly. It's just crazy watching the currents. And I still have no clue exactly how to replicate it (solid-state), but that's the schematic in a nutshell.

How2, yeah, I removed those simulator shots because they were nothing out of the ordinary. No OU, just me misreading the scopes.

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What rotates the  rotating-switch-unit,  I cannot see a motor mentioned in the device,  or even any permanent-magnets  to cause a homopolar-motor  effect .

A motor rotates his commutator. Buforn stated in his patent that the output AC is rectified by a switch. The resulting DC powers the commutator motor and also provides the DC for the exciter magnets.

Tesla's switch was like a spark gap, intended to produce high frequency oscillations. This is quite different, it's more like a controlled magnetic field.

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could those winding's be considered a load because they are not yet the temporary-magnet that the electrical-current turns them into.

I see where you're going man, but windings draw current based on their resistance. They only reason they draw less than this is due to reactance, or a change in their inductance.

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« Reply #3011 on: January 23, 2016, 06:29:57 PM »
Ouch..

I made a mistake..I wrote SN-NS-SN  -- This is a bar magnet proper with two different poles at two ends. Here you are reversing middle secondary. Secondary is placed between opposite poles of primary.  Please do an experiment and let me know what is the voltage you are getting. Not in simulator and whether the voltage is able to light up the lamps.

This is what I should have written SN-SN-NS..This is what is against the law of Nature. This is what does not work. Identical poles of primary facing each other and secondary being placed in between.  My apologies for this. Many have tried this and have reported in the forum to be zero voltage as I have also found. Secondary placed between. The question was whether secondary placed between identical poles of two primary would produce output. That is what I was answering but made the primary poles opposite. My apologies. 

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« Reply #3012 on: January 23, 2016, 10:36:46 PM »
Hi all,
Not had much time to work on this stuff the last few evenings.  But I can answer the question about "SN-(coil)-NS" : using proper 180° phased NON-ZERO-CROSSING sinewaves : yes, there is output.  I can't yet say how much because my coils overheat before I can get to take proper measurements.  What I do know is that I'm seeing a full reversal AC output current : if I place two white LEDs mounted back to back ( anode to cathode) across the coil they both light up.

Have tried using proper PWM with the conventional comparator that compares a high frequency ramp signal and my input sinewave, but the HF part of the signal is causing induced currents in the pickup coil that disturb the 'real' signal - so I'm not convinced that it's a good path.

More news soon.  I will also try two identical pickups wired as in the diagrams posted the other day : "[SN]-(SN)(NS)-[NS]"
() = electromagnet; [] = pickup coil

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« Reply #3013 on: January 24, 2016, 10:40:16 AM »
Glen i think your (), [] are backwards.
you have to deal with your heating issue before anything else. i had one along time ago come to find out it was my cores were to small for the amount of flux i needed.
i think the HF is causing your cores to heat up, this will cause the issues you are having. steel can not handle anything like that also try 22 awg or larger cores.... you can order pure iron core in small quantities at the link i am giving you but be aware they are high priced or you can just hack large transformer. here is link.  http://www.surepure.com/Iron/a/17
good work.

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« Reply #3014 on: January 24, 2016, 12:18:07 PM »
I will also try two identical pickups wired as in the diagrams posted the other day : "[SN]-(SN)(NS)-[NS]"
() = electromagnet; [] = pickup coil

Yes, thankyou Marathonman, I meant : [] = electromagnet; () = pickup coil.   Too late at night  ;D

I'm printing a second set of pickup coil formers at this very moment.

P.S. I'm puzzled : I can't find any way to correct my original post.  Why can't I edit my own posts ?