Glenn, there should be a modify button up at the top right of your post, next to the quote button. It may disappear after some time.

But from your experiment I'm going to guess that only the peak of the wave, when the opposite polarity has dropped to near zero, is producing induction. That kinda proves my idea that the fields are cancelling for the most part. I mean, high current plus little output shows low impedance on the input, but also low induction.

I'm going to say, it's possible that Figuera's design had a very small inductor on the secondary coil, and larger inductors on the primaries. This is almost evident in every patent. In this case, the small inductor would quickly be saturated, and the remaining fields could collide and travel at 90 degrees to the surface of the secondary coil, kinda like two perm. magnets opposing. But, I don't mean like flux-cutting. If his secondaries were pancake coils, the inductive effects should be just like we thought.

Or it's possible that he just left an air gap between his primaries, and also used pancake coils.

Either way, I'm going to say, maybe just try using two independent, matching transformers. Should be able to produce inductive effects without negative effects of primaries acting on each other.

 Glenn_FR;
It seams you need to up the swg rating of your wire. wire has a maximum chassis rating that most people don't know about but you may have exceeded that. Mot's will work great (lucky you) and as for the wiring i wound multiple layers and connected the end of one to the start of the next beginning. it really is up to you but i have had great results from this style of wiring and that is with laminant. i can't wait for my real cores to be fired up...ie solid iron cores.
it only takes milliamp to control saturation Please read up on mag amp control  and you will think more clear.

allcanadian;
Quote; "The principle where is based this theory, carries the unavoidable need for the movement of the induced circuit or the inductor circuit, and therefore these machines are taken as transformer of mechanical work into electricity."

so what he is referring to is that with the Figuera device their is no transformation of mechanical work into electricity because it is motionless so there is no loss associated with movement. it has absolutely nothing to do of what you said and on top of that the Figuera device is NOT a transformer it's a Magnetic amplifier so if anyone would actually read the patents this is what they would find out.

i really feel sorry for anyone that follows Albert Einstein because he has never designed anything, built anything or for that matter has spoke any rational thought in his life. he is an idiot that stole his equations from someone else, they are not even his. not only that this bumbling idiot clerk you call a success has been proven wrong about ten times plus.
 so please i would suggest that you keep your family stories to yourself and the next time come to the table with more than a straw full of peas.
but by all mean's keep up the good work but you might want to tweek your perception a little.
marathonman.

Glenn, my reasoning is that, with two independent transformers, you can rule out the effects of the primaries working against each other.

If you look at the image, it shows a typical amp for driving a centertap. Notice how each transistor drives a half wave. But the difference is that one half drops to zero before the other starts. In Figuera's, this is quite different because the half waves cross, as their timing is only 90 degrees apart, instead of 180.

Now, if we look at the operation of a transformer in general, we know that they're designed to have a very high impedance. This is due to the very large inductance of the primary. The effect of Lenz's law in a transformer is that, when the magnetic field of the secondary opposes the magnetic field of the primary, it acts to directly cancel the inductance of the primary. Or you could think that it increases the reluctance of the core material.

Why I think this is important in Figuera's design, is that we see when two opposing fields are interacting, they must act against each other. If Figuera's used a solid core on which all three coils were placed, we can predict that when one field is increasing, and the other decreasing, the net induction performed on the output coil will be very low, as the two fields cancel. Just think that two magnetic fields cannot occupy the same space. A north field with a strength of 3, and a south field with a strength of 2, will produce a net north field with a strength of 1.

So I'm saying, it may be possible that Figuera used three separate inductors, or even a smaller core that the output coil was wrapped around. There's a need to produce independent fields, fields that don't directly cancel the net induction.

With two transformers, you can test your amp without the two primaries working against each other. Just pretend that you are driving a Figuera coil. If the two secondaries are wired in series, the total voltage should be the sum of the two secondaries. This will tell you if your amp is producing the proper phases. If it is, then you just need to work on the coil arrangement.

Frankly, I don't think anyone else has developed a complete driver circuit yet, so you're like the guinea pig when it comes to testing coil designs. But I just bought a 600W 2 channel audio amp to test, so hopefully I'll also have some results soon.

ahh, just wanted to say, two transformers are only for testing, it won't produce overunity. The difference is in the number of windings.

AC, what exactly are you proposing? The theory of Figuera's generator is simple. Induction. The easiest way to test inductive EMF generating devices is with a simple, cheap transformer. We already know a majority of the operating principles, so I don't think we need to go back to square one.

I can see why after over 200 pages, that no one has yet succeeded in a replication.
  People should not just read the patent,they should STUDY it, then
maybe it'll sink in.
  The only thing that makes this device work is a VARYING magnetic field.
Yes a transformer can produce such a field but the timing is all wrong.

The plus & minus ends of a xformer coil are 180 deg. out of phase so at any one
instant of time when the plus is positive creating a nice field,the negative pulse comes along in the next instance of time and cancels it. So that's why Figuera uses resistors. Both primary coils get pulsed in the same instant of time and not subject to the phase bull-shit!
  The coils get pulsed ONLY with a varying positive voltage.

cliff33;

SOME PEOPLE in this forum still think it acts as a regular transformer, i'm glad you have it after ONLY 2 post. now i see why people with a working device don't hardly post because i am sick trying to convince people the simplicity of it all as was passed to me. it's really simple it's a variable inductance magnetic amplifier that amplify's the incoming signal with two variable currant primaries opposite  from one another.
this forum needed another sane person (to many bone heads)

WOW ! really hard fellas.

NRamaswami a 5 kilowatt device was constructed with discarded material that people in America discard all the time. unfortunately there are to many scrappers where i live so not possible.

Thanks Doug, i spit coffee all over the carpet on that one.

@marathonman

SOME PEOPLE in this forum still think it acts as a regular transformer, i'm glad you have it after ONLY 2 post. now i see why people with a working device don't hardly post because i am sick trying to convince people the simplicity of it all as was passed to me. it's really simple it's a variable inductance magnetic amplifier that amplify's the incoming signal with two variable currant primaries opposite  from one another.[/size]this forum needed another sane person (to many bone heads)

I'm not sure how these boneheads could possibly question your obviously superior intellect. I mean where do they get off questioning you?, I imagine you have working units scattered about like confetti. One for the house, one for the car and others laying about just because you can. I get really sick of these boneheads questioning you and I think you should smite them... I mean fire and brimstone shit. Uhm... you do have working units don't you?, well of course you do what in the hell was I thinking and I apologize for even thinking such obvious insanity. I can only hope you show tolerance towards us ignorant unskilled peon's and in the future show us the path to righteousness.




AC