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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2353297 times)

citfta

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3075 on: February 11, 2016, 01:53:22 AM »
Is the Figuera Device a Transformer ? (NO)
does it act like a transformer? (NO)
is it wound like a transformer? (NO)
is it like or does it act like Rswami device? (HELL NO)
does it amplify ? (YES)
well then how does it amplify ? (by taking the incoming signal and amplifying it)
well how does it do that ? (MAGNETICALLY)
well how does it do that?  (by imitating a rotating generator)
but a generator uses two poles and this device uses only one, how is that going to work? (by two opposite opposing electromagnets varied in intensity in a uniform manner keeping constant pressure between them)
if it is not a transformer then what the hell is it ??? ??? ??? ?   (A MAGNETIC/SIGNAL AMPLIFIER.)
why is it not a transformer? (because it transforms nothing)
so your saying all it does it Amplify? (YES)

what did you say it was again?  (A MAGNETIC AMPLIFIER)

WOW Imagine that !

Hi marathonman,

I have no problem at all with any of the things you posted in this quote.  Except I would not call this device a "magnetic amplifier".   While it may technically amplify a magnetic field the term "magnetic amplifier is already an established term for a particular type of transformer that controls the current through the transformer by adjusting the saturation of the core of the transformer.   To call the Figeura device by the same name will only cause more confusion in the OU world where there are already many terms being misused and misunderstood.

Respectfully,
Carroll

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3076 on: February 11, 2016, 04:27:19 AM »
OK it's not term it's fact.......but.
lets try another thing since the confusion is running wild (Thank you by the way citfta for not disagreeing)
a car is called a car no mater how many hundreds of variants there are even though some are diesel and some are gasoline but to avoid confusion lets call the Figuera device an Signal Amplifier.

SIGNAL AMPLIFIER for the easily confused.

and you are very correct about misuse of terms......everyone might be guilty of that present company included.
good to here from you.
Hanon ad one more on the intelligent list.
yes the sham wow's can be put away, tech support not needed.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3077 on: February 11, 2016, 10:14:56 AM »
Hanon and all:

I apologize if any of my posts have caused any discomfort to any one.

oh by mistake many parts of the posts are deleted. My apologies.

Ramaswami device is an improvement over the Figuera device. Small single piece device. Not multiple ones.

The poles are open and a copper plate if placed will absorb the magnetic field coming out of the core and as the polarities are shifting North South always significant current is induced in the copper or Aluminium plate

The rule is that Electricity is induced in a conductor subjected to time varying magnetic field.

The current generated is directly proportional to

area of the conductor
thickness of the conductor
intensity of the magnetic field
area of the magnetic field and
mass of the magnetisable core

And

Inversely proportional to the resistance of the conductor.

This is how we get huge amperage in Homopolar Generators where only DC is used. So the Tesla Dynamo Electric machine patent rotates the copper disks. If we are use AC no need to rotate the disks and amperage without voltage will be developed.

If we wind the secondary wire on the core and connect to the two copper plates then significant amperage is developed in the secondary and secondary causes the core to saturate and this causes high voltage to be developed in the secondary again. You can test it if you want to check.

Primary does not need to provide high input. I have succeeded in providing very low inputs 33 watts to be precise and powering lamps for up to 2000 watts but the output was not 2000 watts. Output was able to power 2000 watts lamps.

You have to combine the Dynamo Electric machine and Figuera device or Ramaswami device. Any amount of power can be developed with a small input.

While this thread is focussed on making the Figuera device I see the purpose as providing an easy, simple to replicate, no moving parts no complexity device that can be made to work any where in the world. That also seems to be the over all purpose of the Forum.

Using the above principle it is possible to create 300 amps output easily. But core should be large enough to avoid saturation and heat.

I again apologize if I have caused discomfort to any one.
 

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3078 on: February 11, 2016, 11:09:36 AM »
 Hi,
 
Your complex design windings show that your device is not pure Figuera design. I am glad if you have had good results. But your design with concentric primaries and secundaries, multifilars windings resembles me more to the patent of Daniel McFarland Cook than two simple electromagnets with an intermediate coil patented by Figuera. I wouldn´t say that you are strictly following Figuera´s designs.
 

Hanon and all:

I apologize if any of my posts have caused any discomfort to any one.

oh by mistake many parts of the posts are deleted. My apologies.

Ramaswami device is an improvement over the Figuera device. Small single piece device. Not multiple ones.

The poles are open and a copper plate if placed will absorb the magnetic field coming out of the core and as the polarities are shifting North South always significant current is induced in the copper or Aluminium plate

The rule is that Electricity is induced in a conductor subjected to time varying magnetic field.

The current generated is directly proportional to

area of the conductor
thickness of the conductor
intensity of the magnetic field
area of the magnetic field and
mass of the magnetisable core

And

Inversely proportional to the resistance of the conductor.

This is how we get huge amperage in Homopolar Generators where only DC is used. So the Tesla Dynamo Electric machine patent rotates the copper disks. If we are use AC no need to rotate the disks and amperage without voltage will be developed.

If we wind the secondary wire on the core and connect to the two copper plates then significant amperage is developed in the secondary and secondary causes the core to saturate and this causes high voltage to be developed in the secondary again. You can test it if you want to check.

Primary does not need to provide high input. I have succeeded in providing very low inputs 33 watts to be precise and powering lamps for up to 2000 watts but the output was not 2000 watts. Output was able to power 2000 watts lamps.

You have to combine the Dynamo Electric machine and Figuera device or Ramaswami device. Any amount of power can be developed with a small input.

While this thread is focussed on making the Figuera device I see the purpose as providing an easy, simple to replicate, no moving parts no complexity device that can be made to work any where in the world. That also seems to be the over all purpose of the Forum.

Using the above principle it is possible to create 300 amps output easily. But core should be large enough to avoid saturation and heat.

I again apologize if I have caused discomfort to any one.
 

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« Reply #3079 on: February 11, 2016, 11:19:02 AM »
Hello All

MarathonMan,
I haven't seen anything ( in this forum or others ) that equals the lonely alternator in " our " cars...or gen heads. You can use dc or ac to drive both... Synchronicity is what Tesla used either starting it up by earth battery or 12 volts.
IMHO the " Figuera " separates the driving force and collects it in what everybody is calling a/the transformer(s)
If ( we ) could make our work resemble an actual alternator or an older dynamo I think we could achieve ( stumble on ) what Professor Figueras had discovered.........

All the Best...

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #3080 on: February 11, 2016, 11:24:21 AM »
Hanon:

Thanks for the kind words..Unfortunately Figuera has added to the mystery by saying coils are wound properly and has not even disclosed the pole arrangement. The similarity that we have a secondary in the middle and two electromagnet primaries on both sides. It is only to that extent it is similar. IT is more similar to Buforn Patent last design is what we felt but we can be inaccurate. Yes Cook Patent uses thin primaries and thick secondaries but he places the primaries on the core and secondaries over the primaries and we have reversed it. So to that extent it is similar to Cook patent also. I have to agree on that.

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« Reply #3081 on: February 11, 2016, 07:19:03 PM »
Randy;

 What is this fixation with a car alternator ? they have to much drag to be anything remotely considered OU.
as long as you have N and S and it rotates you, we, everyone is screwed.

Rswami; Quote;  Figuera has added to the mystery by saying coils are wound properly and has not even disclosed the pole arrangement.

easily deduced with proper reasoning and investigative research. if anyone that can read will find out that the spin direction of a NyS set up will not work because the spin direction/currant are opposing when one taken up and the other taken down. so that leaves NyN.
so you try this and low and behold it works because the spin direction is the same way when one is taken up and other taken down.
SIMPLE TEST AND REASONING.
imagine that !

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« Reply #3082 on: February 11, 2016, 10:20:52 PM »
well... for starters. Alternators and gen heads work. I don't see anybody coming up with a " figueras " that works. secondly everything in profit world has a life expectancy of a fortnight... I don't have a fixation on generators except that they work.

Tesla's patents on generators may or may not be over unity but they work. MagAmp has been around for awhile... I think the germans were using in it WWII on their V1 and V2s

maybe our differences are the verbiage.......... collectors and amplifiers

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« Reply #3083 on: February 11, 2016, 11:38:07 PM »
I am afraid that sucessful fellows are just quiet, and do not show up.  Even I dare to think that some of them maybe are just throwing smoke curtains to distract. Very few real altruist people in the world.

See you

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« Reply #3084 on: February 12, 2016, 04:25:15 AM »
Hanon; i agree and hang in there, altruist to the bone.

well... for starters. Alternators and gen heads work. I don't see anybody coming up with a " figueras " that works. secondly everything in profit world has a life expectancy of a fortnight... I don't have a fixation on generators except that they work.

Liar i bet you have one on your night stand. ha, ha, ha.

Meaning i don't have what it takes to think this through and i want to take the easy Corporate way out and screw my neighbor.

you seam like you are an alright guy but how chicken shit can you be. that is the most gutless statement i have ever heard.
contrary to you absence their are people out there that have a working device and with that guidance i have achieved over unity with a two section unit. yes this is a real deal and no bull shit. not everything that takes place in this forum is hillbilly bull shit.

Randy we are about the same age and i am not pulling your chain. PM me and i will fill you in with what i have.

If you can handle it.
PS. yes the Germans "perfected" an American design to no end. you have no idea unless you researched.

marathonman.

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« Reply #3085 on: February 12, 2016, 10:02:23 AM »
Hanon,
That's an interesting drawing...please add the Y coil

R

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« Reply #3086 on: February 12, 2016, 12:10:09 PM »
Well, you guys really know how to frighten away newbies...    Between personal attacks and cryptic comments it's a real welcome cocktail.
I innocently (read naively) thought that those who "know" were here to help or guide those who want to learn.  Even after wading through over 200 pages - and trying to sort what's good to keep and what's not worth lingering over - there's not much to go on.  The Figuera patents are very vague.  Some of you have come-up with some good interpretations and a few have, apparently made something work.  I say apparently because there's never anything tangible posted : no photos, no data.

Many thanks to Hanon who has taken time and much effort to document his interpretations.  I'm still uncertain about the 'crashing fields' theory, though.  In my mind - and based on experimental results - what I see working is much simpler :
When one coil is energised 100% and the other is near 0%, the energised coil presents, say, it's N pole to the pickup (induced, secondary, whatever) coil.  If that coil has a core, it will take on the opposite magnetic polarity and so you'll have a S facing our electromagnet's N.  When you inverse the situation, the powerful N pole is now facing the other end of the pickup core : so the pickup core will reverse it's S-N poles.  Induced AC current.  Simple.

As I've said in previous posts I'm looking to see if the system can be driven from a 12v battery to make a portable device.  Driving coils efficiently with uni-directional 'sine' pulses is not as straightforward as it looks.

If I'm allowed I'll continue posting my experiments and results.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2016, 02:31:00 PM by Glenn_FR »

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« Reply #3087 on: February 12, 2016, 04:30:33 PM »
Glen;

 Everything to get a working device has been posted over the last few months but all it does is fall on deaf ears. this is why the people that have a working device will not post because NOBODY LISTENS.

i know i have listened to the little tidbits here and there that were posted and also Hanon that basically had the idea of opposing electromagnets in the first place. i save EVERYTHING and review EVERYTHING almost every night for the last year and a half. i eat Figuera, i sleep Figuera, i dream Figuera, i even talk about and think about it at work......why? because i believe in this device and knew it worked.
that is where i am today with a two core device with outstanding results and can't wait to build a whole unit. but unfortunately i lost my job and broke my foot so i can't afford shit until my income tax comes in and i get a another job.
as for pictures well i don't even own a camera and my phone is cheap as hell so i can't download anything from it even if i tried. i will though buy a cheap camera when i can and post my core setup and what all else i have just to calm the BS factor arising in peoples head.

like i said all the info posted since about October or November will get you a working device you just have to decide what is real and what is BS. i am very sorry for pissing everyone off, i apologize as i am not a very good teacher or conveyor of info as i have no patients with someone that won't listen.
May all your builds reach OU.
Donald

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« Reply #3088 on: February 12, 2016, 06:17:21 PM »
Hey Glenn,
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When one coil is energised 100% and the other is near 0%, the energised coil presents, say, it's N pole to the pickup (induced, secondary, whatever) coil.  If that coil has a core, it will take on the opposite magnetic polarity and so you'll have a S facing our electromagnet's N.  When you inverse the situation, the powerful N pole is now facing the other end of the pickup core : so the pickup core will reverse it's S-N poles.  Induced AC current.  Simple.
I agree. It's a very simple concept. Unfortunately, I've tried to prove to others here that this is the same action as a simple transformer and generator, or any other generating device, but most here can't understand that, as they don't understand EMF or ampere turns, or Watts, or why a generator has a single B field of one strength but links two circuits of very different Wattages.

I Found out over a year ago that multiple primaries, positioned PARALLEL to each other physically, multiply the EMF on an output coil. This is essentially a solid state generator, because if we view a generator in operation, we see that it has a changing B field, but also a changing area, or inductive path. As an armature rotates toward it's exciter, the B field increases along with, or due to, the increasing area coupling the two coils.

An exact replica of a generator would be a single generating coil with many exciter coils arranged on it's pole face. If the exciter coils were turned on sequentially from one side to the other, or from a min to max number of coils, it would be literally a solid state generator. But in reality, all that's required is to have the exciters powered by AC, the total B field will be the sum of all, the total inductance will be the sum of all.

So in my opinion, which is unwelcome here, Figuera relied on many parallel primaries to increase the Ampere turns on his secondaries. I have yet to experiment with multiple secondaries, but what the hell, it probably works. But one single secondary definitely works, and this is what I'm basing my plans on.

This is all due to my independent experiments, ignored in this thread except by Randy who encouraged me a year ago. I don't have any data, but if you, or anyone, would like more info on this concept, please let me know. I can even make videos to demonstrate it with real devices... at least, to demonstrate the increase in EMF and plausibility of OU. Again, I have not made a documented OU transformer, but it's plausible.

Everyone else, yes I said transformer.  ;) Marathonman, congrats on the working model. Looking forward to some videos in action. ahh, funny thing happened yesterday, lightning struck and it started raining bacon... I guess pigs are flying.

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« Reply #3089 on: February 12, 2016, 07:25:56 PM »
Im still trying to figure this statement out.

"It doesn't work like that in reality. Magnetic lines don't just leap out of iron and produce "flux cutting" on coils. The reason why is because iron has such a higher permeability than air, it requires a lot of energy to to push the lines out."
 
 So your saying the magnetic field around the earth does not exist because the field lines cant just jump out of the magnet core.We all burned up a long time ago and this is just a dream?Cool