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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2357952 times)

hanon

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2970 on: January 15, 2016, 11:13:44 PM »

Flux cutting would require a high magnetic field density that protrudes from the iron and cuts the output coil.


Maybe for that reason Figuera placed the two electromagnets very close in the 1902 patent. To compress the flux lines. Also remember that thesum of the fields B1+B2 = constant, so ..the sum is always at maximun.

A very pertinent video: https://youtu.be/yvVbDQ-z66o

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« Reply #2971 on: January 15, 2016, 11:16:25 PM »
Forest,
You asked for the original scanned documents. Here I send you the only sentence that you have to understand in this patent. Go and translate it with google if you do not believe my translation.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2972 on: January 16, 2016, 01:46:59 PM »
Even in a rotating generator the filed is kept up fairly high all the time fairly steady.Only the position changes as it moves the entire magnet. Without movement and without having the continuous stator core for the magnetic field to return though to complete the magnetic path it would need some changes. Second magnet with stator placed between them and a unique controller. The number of lines of flux penetrating the Y still remains the same in both types of generator. You could use the lift test to determine the amount of flux from a standard field magnet from a working generator with the field powered at its maximum. If your looking for 50 or 60 htz output your cyclic rate will have to be reasonable steady so you wont be able to increase the speed to increase the output unless you want to get more complicated more parts.
  Work your way backwards from Y making the Y the size you need for the output you want. Then build the magnets to drive Y based on what Y is in size. The idea that external power is what is always feeding the field magnet is wrong. It does not even work that way in a rotating generator.

  The field which has a measure of force needs to be kept steady it is the resultant amount of flux which is being shifted.It is the number of lines of flux which is cutting the induced. Even if it is slightly reduced in one to enable the shift of the center point where the two fields collide.With two magnets the number of lines in each are not able to mix so the numbers are not the same as one single rotating magnet. Each one is half as many lines as a single rotating magnet. Slightly higher actually but each inducer is less then what would power a single rotating magnet for same output as a single rotating magnet. No engine which rotates a magnet ever directly supplies any power to the magnetic field.The residual field left over after it stops is all it has to ever start up with to cause an output which is given back to the rotating field to make it stronger until it becomes full enough to operate with enough output to power the field and the external load. That is why you have to flash a virgin,there is nothing there for the engine to rotate.

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« Reply #2973 on: January 16, 2016, 03:49:15 PM »
So what you are saying is that once a few cycles have passed the the Figuera device will begin to feed it self suppressing the input. so the original power source is just used to build up the field, after that the device takes over and maintain's it self (Field).

so it sounds like the power source can stay attached being recharged in the process. this was what you were referring to when you said it was being shoved into it's core by the gaining electromagnet. this would cause a sort of kickback to the system recharging the original power source.

a while back i read an article about this guy doing studies on a motor. he said after the motor was run for a while and shut off that it took way less currant and time to restart and run the motor compared to a dry cold start. this is because of the residual magnetic field residing in space after it was shut off.  the said field remained for several minutes after the shut down and as long as the motor was restarted within three minutes the field would still be present.
this of course is what is happening with the figuera device or rather all electromagnetic devices.
but  because of the two dynamic fields between them the field is maintained because of the Lenz law not accounting for it let alone two inductive fields between them.   (Right)


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« Reply #2974 on: January 17, 2016, 01:20:55 AM »
Correct. There is enough output to power the field plus the shift if you chose to recharge the source then so be it. It is also a buffer to input power to the filed quicker then the output can supply to the field when large loads are fluctuated or turned off and on rapidly to help prevent a lag in the output voltage. Once running a steady load the source can be removed. The difference from a rotating field is the field is moving physically with the rotating magnet leaving the induced winding and approaching another with enough output to power the moving field and the load. here the magnet is not moving just the field, again with enough power to supply both the load and field from the two magnets and a small portion to run the controller. It would serve every ones best interest to stop calling it a commutator.It does not function as one and only slightly looks it could be made from one.Which it can not. Even I am guilty of wrongly calling it a commutator. You would'nt call a volume control on a stereo a commutator. Just call it the controller.

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« Reply #2975 on: January 17, 2016, 02:56:10 PM »
It crossed my mind this morning that there is generally some confusion brought about from various sources in text books as to which way the electron current moves in relation to magnetic current.In turn on paper it would also show up as to which side of an electro magnet is North or South in relation to which side of the magnet the lines of force leave or enter. The point of reference can lead to the reverse of what is actually the case and lower level institutes aka crappy colleges will just brush it aside with it does not make any difference as long as you follow through with what ever you start with.
  Here is my point of view. If I go out to eat and have to pay for a bowl of chicken soup and the waiter brings me a bowl of rock soup and says it does not make any difference because it all comes out the same way. Then we have a problem. I guess the waiter will have except my hand drawn currency on a napkin cause it does not make any difference since there is no real value to government issued currency.It all is of no value.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2976 on: January 17, 2016, 04:21:05 PM »
hanon
I don't need it, but you spotted correctly - that's how every patent is hiding the essence ....The secret is  slightly uncovered in single sentence in Buforn patent. I know you can find it easily.

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« Reply #2977 on: January 17, 2016, 05:22:14 PM »
Hi All,

I found these two patents of interest to this subject. The first is related to tape recording but he describes the conditions needed to create a "Traveling Field Transformer". The second is of a device which uses a similar "TFT" setup for power generation which uses a three phase input. Did Figuera create a linear version of a "TFT"?

US 3629518 - Rotating field transformer and tape recording system using same

https://www.google.com/patents/US3629518

US 20040007932 - Generators (Application)

https://www.google.com/patents/US20040007932

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2978 on: January 18, 2016, 02:37:27 PM »
I've read through your patents posted and all i can come up with in the end is a fancy name for a rotating magnetic field that can be powered by multiple type sources.

I find it very annoying that people post on this forum being so cryptic. one would have to be rather fucked up in the head in the first place acting like a spoiled rotten brat that knows something that you don't, this is in my book a serious character flaw.
i mean seriously why the fuck post shit that no one can decipher except with a Capitan Jack Cracker Jack Box Decoder ring. does it make you moron's feel like a big man like your holding shit over another man's head well sorry to spoil your fucking head fest but grown men don't play stupid KID GAMES.
Humanity will be extinct shortly and we will finally be rid of pimple ass pukes like this. if you can't post where people can understand it DON'T FUCKING POST IT. do us forum members that want to build a working Figuera device a favor and GO SOMEWHERE ELSE to play your decoder ring games.
I personally am building Figuera device because i have felt i have not done enough to help humanity. the human race is heading in the wrong direction because of Corporate/Government Corruption and Greed and the only way us nobodies are going to get anywhere is by helping each other not just ourselves, lead by example not by the Corporate/Government example.
 by having our own power supplies we could break the bond of control the Corporations and Governments have on us by growing our own food, lighting our own houses and working with nature not against it.
i for one when i have completely built this device and is working will put together design specs and send it around the world for others to build and enjoy whether some like it or not.
i'm sorry for cursing but i am just frustrated and have had my limit of stupidity and secrecy on this forum.

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« Reply #2979 on: January 18, 2016, 04:21:25 PM »
You guys have been busy. Nice video Hanon. In fact, I was thinking about buying one of those shake-to-charge flashlights and hacking it to have the magnet polarities arranged like this.

Overall, until we find an easier way to replicate the controller circuit, we'll have a hard time knowing exactly what it does.

I've been doing some studying to determine just what the current and voltage are doing in the coils when the resistance changes, but it's actually more complicated than it seems.

Long story short, the first image is about the easiest way to look at the controller circuit. As you can see, it's a common current divider. A key concept is that the supply voltage is always present, so that makes the whole idea I had about cancelling reactance kind of pointless, because there will never be any reactance.

Anyway, I tried a couple of things, mainly adding a battery to a center-tapped transformer to power another center-tapped transformer. Both transformers were matching 12V, 6V-0-6V. Adding 9V did increase the output voltage, but, as suspected, there was just too much current to make this reasonable. Just to power a 15W lightbulb there was a lot of heat. Overall, trying to run a DC current through a "controller" transformer causes the primary of said transformer to pull a matching current.

In a way, it's like a typical generator. You want to increase the exciter current? You need to apply more torque to turn it because it's going to bog down.

Getting into other designs, I've been looking at typical amplifier circuits. The second image shows a class a amplifier. In this arrangement, the transistors are biased and always maintain a DC current through the transformer.

Anyway, a funny thing about transformers on amplifiers, the voltage across the primary increases above supply voltage. You can read more about it here. http://www.learnabout-electronics.org/Amplifiers/amplifiers52.php The third image was taken from the site.

There's a lot to it, and I'm not saying it will work, but I wonder if anyone's tried using a typical audio amp connected to a modified transformer, like Figuera's coils.
And sorry for always making long posts. haha

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« Reply #2980 on: January 18, 2016, 07:11:37 PM »
Hi again,
Well, I've wound some coils.  Couldn't find any soft iron so I've used some steel bar that I had in stock.  I want to play with the simplest setup for now : two electromagnets and one pickup coil in the middle.
My two electromagnet coils are identical and are wound a few hundred turns of 0.4mm (approx) magnet wire salvaged from a MOT secondary.  DC resistance around 5 ohms.  My pickup is overkill : all of the primary windings of the same MOT (240v version).

The driver circuit I'm using is like this (dual darlingtons) :

The transistor on the left, driven by a 1v peak signal from my sig-gen, is split into two signals 180° apart.  The two signals are fed through decoupling capacitors to two identical darlington drivers.  My coils are represented by the inductors L1 and L2.

With component values shown, the current in the two coils looks like this (dual darlinton plot) :

Quite high current ( the coils get warm after a few minutes use), and a fairly strong magnet effect.  If I place the coils (with the pickup in the middle) with like poles facing each other I get some current in the pickup (but much less that I would have thought).  If I place the magnets with opposing poles facing, I get even less current.

I haven't yet included voltmeters and ammeters : that's the next step.  Note that by varing resistors R7/R5 by 1K or so you control the amplitude of the output signal; by varying R8/R6 (by a maximum of perhaps 10k either way) you can vary the DC quiescent current which allows you to let the coil current drop down to 0amps or not.

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« Reply #2981 on: January 18, 2016, 07:24:45 PM »
The coils :
This is my pickup : size is 6cm dia. by 6cm long.  Former is printed on my 3D printer.

And the magnets : longer in length (around 7.5cm) and only 3 layers of wire (I was impatient).

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« Reply #2982 on: January 18, 2016, 08:48:44 PM »
Marathon,

I agree with last post. Many people love speaking in high encrypted code. In my case as I am a simple person I just may say everything clear and straight.

Please look this link and do not forget to have a look into the signature:

http://cacharreo.com.es/foro/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1059&start=990#p7320

It is a pity that this forum does not accept to include a signature.

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« Reply #2983 on: January 18, 2016, 10:00:53 PM »
Glenn_FR:
 Good start, looks good, wish i had a 3-D printer but life has not been so kind after i broke my foot. can only do limited test as of now until healed. just remember a sine/ sine 180 goes below zero and figuera did not. i had always positive sine/sine 180 circuit but lost it on the last attack on my computer.
 i have since built a PFSense Firewall and it doesn't happen any more thanks to Supermicro and PFSense. less than 20 watt always on firewall,  now the Government can kiss my 20 watt Backside. ha, ha. ha.
Glad to have u aboard.

hanon;
 some code i can decrypt and some i can't. he whom i won't mention i can get but others i can not. what are you referring to the signature. i have went to site and translated but was very weird in translation and sounded like me when i am hammered drunk on a case of beer. can you please explain.

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« Reply #2984 on: January 18, 2016, 10:23:53 PM »
Glen, beautiful setup! Trying a decent amp was the next thing on my list. Just wanted to say, looks like your current is a little high during the "off" time. Have you tried increasing the value of R8/R6 and seeing if that helps?

Thanks for the link to the Wordpress site, Hanon