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darediamond

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2910 on: December 29, 2015, 04:52:01 AM »
Could you please answer the question in the Picture Mr. Ramaswami?
Doug, Mack:

Without going in to much, what I have done is this..

a. Create a primary..

b. Take a permanent magnet and measure at what distance the permaent magnet does not oscillate in your hands by the EM wave from the primary core.

c. bring the magnet towards the core of the primary so permanent magnet will start oscillating increasingly violently.

d. Identify the distance at which the magnetic oscillation does not increase.

e. Divide this distance by two.

f. Build the middle coil for this distance.

g. Keep the middle coil at half or slightly more than the diameter of the primary core. 

h. Wind the coils on the middle coil to prevent the iron rods of opposite poles of primary from crashing in to one another and so build the middle core to be slightly above the primary core size alone.

Results:

a. For a single module the output of middle core alone is less than the input of the primary. But irrespective of the load on the middle coil primary input is constant. Primary does not care whether you load the middle coil or do not load the middle coil. Therefore the secondary is Lenz law Free.  For this to happen one thing must be done but I'm not disclosing it..You can find it in the Patent of Figuera but he feels it is not necessary to disclose it.

b. you continue to add modules. As primaries are added their resistance increases and so input decreases. As secondaries are added their voltage increases and so output increases.

C. Continue  steps a and b above.

Problem with Figuera device is that this requires a lot of iron, lot of coils, and not infrequently the brush of the rotary disc goes. It needs to be very sturdy for long term use. You need multiple modules which costs lot of money.

Within my budget I modified the device and the results were available.

I'm working with a group of like minded replicators and what we are doing and what are the results I cannot disclose without their consent.

It is not impossible to get the center core output on its own to be greater than the input. But certain conditions need to be fulfilled for that. They are so obvious that I'm not going in to them and I consider that disclosure unnecessary.

I'm a very ordinary man without much of knowledge. Until I started I did not know the difference between voltage and amperage. Until very recently I did not know the difference between and implications of connecting in serial and connecting in parallel. So actually when I started I did not know that this kind of device cannot be done. So I ended up listing the conditions needed to create the device and I ended up doing it.

These are the conditions.

1. Primary input should be low

2. Avoid back emf

3. Create Lenz law free output.

Figuera patent does all that and it is very well explained in the patent how to do all this. Unfortunately he is very cryptic. That is the problem. I do not intend to post on this as I have given all info needed to replicate already.

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« Reply #2911 on: December 29, 2015, 01:24:54 PM »
darediamond;
 Can you please lower the resolution on your pic.
open with paint and re size.

Thanks.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2912 on: December 29, 2015, 02:04:32 PM »
Marathonman,


Now that I see you commutator design I remember that a user in the spanish forum created a Figuera commutator. I attach here a link to his video. He had the problem that at high rpm the brush did not toched all the contacts due to the centrifugal force. He said then that he saw why Figuera set the brush in the center and the contact in the outside circle to avoid that problem.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRKePdQfp8w


Darediamond: The CW or CCW winding of the wires in the coils does not matter at all. The only important thing is the direction of rotation of the current around the cores.


Marathonman:  The proper name is Clemente Figuera, not Clemente Figueras, as you always call him erroneusly. Also for you info, take into account that the letter "u" in Figuera  is mute. This is important if you want to call the master by his proper name. I suppose that you also like that everyone pronounce fine your name. 
« Last Edit: December 29, 2015, 06:58:51 PM by hanon »

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« Reply #2913 on: December 29, 2015, 06:16:26 PM »
Thanks Hanon good video.
so you think that even with strong spring it will still raise off of contacts. humm.... now that would be difficult to invert as in putting contacts on inside instead of outside.
i was just trying to help, i myself am going with mag amps you already know

oops, your right about the name "Thanks" and also about PM's. i will look into it.
i am not blocking anyone on purpose.


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« Reply #2914 on: December 29, 2015, 07:21:15 PM »
Hi,
I have been simulating the electric circuit to emulate the commutator included in this link posted by user madddann:


http://www.overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg394315/#msg394315


I have found a website which allows you to simulate circuits online  ( https://easyeda.com/ ) and I have been able to simulate it in just 30 min. This circuit just creates two opposite signals with an intermediatte tap transformer, and, then adds a DC offset created with a diode bridge and a capacitor.


I have found that the rheostat is not need so you can reduce the heat losses of the original circuit. That rheostat was just creating a voltage drop that you can also manage with a different transformer in the DC offset. You just need to provide a transformer for the DC offset signal with a higher output voltage than the one with the intermediatte tap. For a 220 volts input I am using a transformer ratio 20:1 for the intermediatte tap one and a ratio 15:1 for the DC offset transformer. I am taking that each electromagnet series (N or S) have a resistance of 10 ohms, but with 5 ohms it will also works fine.

You may test it online in the refered website. Open a New Schematic , Menu "Source EasyEDA" , Paste the code in the attached "txt" file, Pulse Apply.
I hope it helps. Regards

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2915 on: December 29, 2015, 09:03:34 PM »
About my last post:


Even you may get rid off the central tap transformer and change it by two normal transformers, and still getting the same output signals


Note: The higher the oultput voltage of the DC offset transformer is , the greater is the minimun value of the intensity. Therefore you can even increase the output voltage of that transformer in order to get a minimun of 0.5 or 1A...


Marathonman: please do not play the game that that user is setting. It is was he wants. Just check his posts history. He is saying the same in all forums

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« Reply #2916 on: December 29, 2015, 11:14:53 PM »
You are very, very lucky i don't know where you live. as a US vet i would have no problem snapping your neck.
Please get off this discussion there is no room for BOYS/Girls.


Hanon; i think i fixed the PM thing.

i like that program, i have been using it for a while but i had no luck with my 400hz bubba sine wave circuit. i don't know why it just refused to run it
what is the adjustment at the N and S coils ?
set your DC transformer at a certain level then put a dimmer switch before the transformer to dial in your exact window you need.
just a thought.
oh i forgot what is the distortion at peak i see or is that just the program ?

darediamond; can you please resize your pic.

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« Reply #2917 on: December 29, 2015, 11:28:17 PM »
I actually think it would be interesting to talk to a psychologist about people like idegen. What a strange, twisted nature to get happiness from pestering other people. It's sad and pathetic, really.

Funny, but his name reminds me of the word indigent.

Yeah, thanks hanon. I'm going to try to run some circuits there, too.

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« Reply #2918 on: December 31, 2015, 08:52:43 PM »
Dear All:

I wish you all a Happy and Prosperous New year 2016.

Dear Darediamond:

Your idea about the iron powder is correct for high frequency. I understand that just as I had difficulties with the commutator others are also having difficulties.

Now What is Figueras device? As we all understand it used a battery, used a make before break type of commutator. This commutator creates spark. Whatever we did it created sparks very minor sparks. Sparks have high voltage and normally high frequency. I do have a suspicion that the commutator points are all spark plugs kind of things so when the commutator rotated sparks came and the outgoing wires were going from the other end of the spark plug.

We need high voltage to create sparks. However when you have a rotating charged body, you do not need high voltage to create sparks. The rotating carbon brush touching the copper point will create a spark and this spark will go to the nearest metallic point which in this case (if my assumpiton is right) is the copper point held in close proximity and to which the resistor array wires are connected. Now we have the following conditions.

High voltage+ High Frequency+ current ( Low amperage or high amperage needs to be tested). I'm not in a mood or position to test. High Frequency input will draw less current. Rotating charged body touching another charged metallic body creates sparks. Sparks have high voltage and high frequency and low amperage. The Violet Ray device which produces 50000 volts is an example.

The whole commutator can be easily replaced by a small Tesla coil proper. May be 30 watts or 60 watts coil.

Give this output to a copper plate to which the primary N and S are connected and connect the end of the primaries to two earth points.

I'm given various information by different people. One distinguished person says that Iron can be responsive up to 999 Mhz and the information in the books is not accurate. What type of iron he is referring to is not clear to me.

Others say soft iron can be magnetised up to 1000 Hz and may be even up to 2000 Hz.

But it is agreed that Ferrite Core can take up to 1 MHz and be magnetized. But Ferrite is extremely expensive in America.

What is Ferrite. Iron +Zinc +Carbon is Ferrite. You live in Nigeria. Therefore ask the local artisan to put create a furnace where carbon, iron powder and zinc are burnt for a 24 hours or so. At this heat the zinc would merge with the iron powder and carbon and you now have Ferrite. See if you can ask the local artisan or Foundary to make the core like the Hour glass shaped continuous core.

If you can do it use multifilar coils for primary to create high magnetic field strength in primary. Focus this magnetic field strength in the secondary and make it collapse on and off by giving the current from the two ends.

Regarding middle secondary length and diameter it is half the diameter of the primary or 2/3rd diameter of the primary. What is the length.

You please add the length of the primaries and divide by 3. That is the optimal length of the primary. If your primaries are both 18 inches the total primary length is 36 inches. Dividing it by 3 we get 12 inches which is the optimum length of the middle secondary.

Can we use a single secondary and two primaries alone to create a higher ouptut. yes We can but it requires another component to be added. I'm not inclined to disclose it. Sorry.

using a Tesla coil in the place of the commutator will solve the problem of providing high voltage and high frequency. If you carefully look at it what is happening is that the device is a reverse of the Tesla coil. One Tesla coil provides high voltage high frequency and low amperage input and the primary using the large number of turns of the wire generates high magnetic field and the secondary using the focussed magnetic field and thick wires creates high amperage. The voltage of the secondary as we all know is based on the number of turns. Output Amperage from secondary is based on the thickness of secondary wire.

If you use AC, you avoid all these problems.

Why primary does not care about whether secondary is loaded or not. The only function of primary is to generate high magnetic field which is compressed in the center core. if the secondary is not present that magnetic field will go to the atmosphere automatically. If the secondary field is present the secondary takes that compressed, concentrated and saturated magnetic field strength to generate electricity.

The midddle porition is also lenz law free when it is put between opposite poles. If we are able to produce about 150 to 200 volts in the secondary the output wattage can be very consideably increased by the addition of another component. I have elected not to disclose it.

You can check all of the above statements and you would find that a Tesla coil require a source of high voltage but a rotating charged body does not require high voltage to create sparks. Probably because in the Islands only batteries were available Prof Figuera used the commutator.

I wish you success. Avoid Electronics and go to simple mechanical things. They work very well.

Like Marathonman said long exposure to the magnetic field appears to have weakened my foot. I now have to take 8 to 10 hours of sleep and keep the legs high and take steaming of legs daily. This has magically reduced the swelling and I'm able to walk fast now. So please take all available precautions. I will not be posting here as I have to focus on my practice and there are no funds to any experiments. So I'm sorry about the delays. Please accept my apologies.

Regards,

Ramaswami






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« Reply #2919 on: January 01, 2016, 11:38:40 AM »
Hi, A very happy new year to all.  I'm new to the forum, but not new to electronics, hacking, using microcontrollers and suchlike.  Have already dabbled in HHO, the bedini SG and also it's computer-fan derivative. Am fascinated by the Figuera patent.  I'vre read through about 20 pages of this post, but it's just getting too heavy to read with all the ads and donkeys getting in the way  ;)
I'm getting ready to try some experiments with the heart of the patent : two primary electromagnets driven 180° out of phase and with a secondary 'pickup' placed in-between.  To drive with a clean, 180° shifted, AC signal - nothing simpler than a center-tapped transformer.  I want to see the presence/absence of the Lentz effect.  No electronics for the moment - just pure EM.  If that bit works, I'll also try looking at what resonance can do.  Then I'll worry about winding more coils and finding the simplest, cleanest and quietest way of driving them.
To the moderator/webmaster : are there any tools to extract a post into a file so it can be ridded of the 100s of ads and donkeys ?

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« Reply #2920 on: January 02, 2016, 03:20:31 AM »
Okay, well I have an inductance meter now, and i ran some tests i thought I would share.

First, regarding Ramaswami's setup. Using a Tesla bifilar coil as a primary (of a transformer) serves to increase the coil's capacitance. Referring to Tesla's patent, https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/patents/us-patent-512340-coil-electro-magnets , he describes the purpose of the coil, and also other means of reducing inductive reactance.

As we know, a transformer has high inductive reactance when the secondary is open. Adding a load reduces the primary's reactance and increases current draw. Shorting the secondary cancels the reactance, and the primary draws max current, only limited by it's DC resistance.

So, in this case, my question was, will the secondary coil's EMF change between normal transformer arrangement and an arrangement where the primary coil's reactance is negated?

If you have an inductance meter, you can use an online reactance calculator to determine the reactance at line frequency for a primary coil.
In my setup, I had a 1:1 ratio transformer, and the primary's inductance was 213mH with a reactance (impedance) of 81 Ohm at 60HZ.

To cancel the inductive reactance, I used a capacitive reactance calculator to find an impedance of 80 Ohm at 60HZ with a 33mfd. capacitor.

So, the two reactances cancel, for the most part, and the current is only limited by the DC resistance of the coil.

In testing, I proved this by checking for current and a magnetic field when the secondary was not loaded. So, results were, when loaded, the EMF is the same whether it's wired like a normal transformer, or with a capacitance to cancel reactance.

In my book, this proves to me that, yes, you can cancel the reactance of a primary coil, but that will not change the EMF, and thus the power out will be the same as if it were a normal transformer. I have also tested dual primary transformers, similar to Ramaswami's setup, and in my findings, with normal AC, and both coils in phase, the output EMF doesn't change. Here, also, the EMF and power out is related to power in, and should never be more than 100%.

For Darediamond and Ramaswami: Tesla also states in his patent that increasing the voltage will also reduce inductive reactance. In any way, reducing reactance is great for electromagnets, because any reactance limits magnetic strength. In transformers, however, it makes no difference.

Figuera's generator is different than a normal AC transformer, and I hope this helps clear up and de-mystify some of the things involved. Using bifilar coils may aid a Figuera setup (by reducing reactance), but it's his current divider that makes it more than a normal transformer and increases EMF.

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« Reply #2921 on: January 02, 2016, 07:03:05 AM »
Antijon:

I do not understand much of the technical stuff you have written. All I can tell you simply is this. Please increase the number of filars from bifilar to 12 to 14filars. See what happens. In AC..See what is the current drawn and what is the magnetic field strength. What is the wire type that you used? Did you use thinner wires for primary and thicker wires for secondary and did you have sufficient number of secondary turns to increase the voltage.

A Multifilar coil is different from a bifilar coil. The impedance or resistance keeps increasing enormously with the increase in the number of filars and you have very little current draw in AC but a very powerful magnetic field is created.

We do not really need info on Tesla and what his patents suggest. Why? Much of his published literature is in line with theory and those that are against have been confiscated and remain state secrets to this day. To me Tesla is an experimenter who made his observations. We also need to make experiment and make observations. Nothing more. Nothing less. Since you have all the meters why don't you check if the 12filar coil arrangement reduces current draw but increases magnetic field strength..

Also did you use the Earth batteries as I suggested? New ones

If the current is given to move in series it will not produce COP>1 without the Earth batteries. If the current is given in parallel maintaining the same polarity it will increase the voltage experienced in the secondary in the middle 4 times and if the powerful magnetic field is compressed and magnetic saturation attained in the secondary core  you get the cop>1 results. If you connect to Earth batteries it is automatic.

Unfortunately it is against theory and so you conveniently limit yourself to the theoretical model and restrict yourself to bifilar as disclosed by Tesla. What prevents us from moving one step more and doing it friend? And you are coming immediately to conclusions..

Electromagnets do not behave in the way anticipated. We need to test and find out how they behave. The essential point of the Figuera device is the shape. and the fact that he used two primaries with secondary in the middle. as a module and used several modules and sent current in the opposite sides so the two primaries will have different magnetic field strength always.  I do not understand why he did it for I have not experimented with all 8 cores. Could not afford them.

You please check with a 12 or 14 filar coil and then give us your insight..What is the input and what is the magnetic field strength and what is the amount of current that would be needed in a single helical coil or bifilar coil to produce the same strength. As I have tested even a trifilar coil is capable of drawing a lot of current and only when we go above the 8 filars the current draw starts diminishing.

Do not limit yourself to bifilar. Do not use old data..Old patents..Progress in every other field has been achieved except electricity and magnetism and it is only for one thing to maintain the status quo of rich countries as rich countries and poor countries as poor countries. Not for long..


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« Reply #2922 on: January 02, 2016, 09:37:47 PM »
  i have been testing 3.2 inch primaries with Quad Filler 640 turns plus and had great results and with only 100 v 1 amp.
but i must remind you that all currant can be controlled out side of the primaries so worrying about ohm's should not be an issue as that will be controlled by your resistor setup. i don't have to worry because with my mag amp setup,  the control coil resistor tap will take care of all that leaving the power side alone to do what it does best. using 12 volt at milliamps doesn't waist a whole lot of power on the control side.

i don't understand why someone would wan't to waste their money on so much wire when it was totally unnecessary.
i am really surprised the core didn't melt in front of you.

you did get the Dogma old data right. all the books of today are filled with Dogma status Quo crap that is designed to rob you of any over unity and waste your precious Electricity. do your own research just like the Great Pioneering Men before you did before the age of the gutless high forehead Scientist that hide behind a 600 line Dogma Quack Equation. this is why Tesla was so dangerous to the status Quo because he didn't play their gutless game.

Hell J P Morgan paid Heaviside, Lorentz and god knows who else to doctor up Maxwell's 20 plus original free energy equations and even had school books replaced to cover it up,  literally wiped all references pertaining to them.  even  Einstein was paid by him to lye.  because of this greedy man the world has suffered to no end.

the key to the universe is Electricity and Magnetism,  it is what makes the heaven's move. so when one master's the key's the rest is of no consequence.

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« Reply #2923 on: January 02, 2016, 09:59:01 PM »
similar to Ramaswami's setup, and in my findings, with normal AC, and both coils in phase, the output EMF doesn't change. Here, also, the EMF and power out is related to power in, and should never be more than 100%.

  What?

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« Reply #2924 on: January 03, 2016, 02:23:43 AM »
Doug, I was referring to a dual primary transformer. Ramaswami showed some photos before and he had two primaries on either side of his secondary, just like Figuera's.

You can add as many primaries as you want, but if they are powered by the same AC source, wired in parallel, the output voltage won't change.

So, if I have windings of 1:1 ratio, 12V source- turn on one primary, output is 12V. Turn on second primary, output is still 12V. Twice the current on the primary side, but EMF doesn't change. I learned this by experiment.


And Ramaswami, if you don't understand my technical jargon then I apologize. I don't have formal schooling in this but I try to learn on my own. And for whatever "theory" you are referring to, perhaps we should also forget about Faraday's law, or Ohm's law, or Ampere's law... it seems they also include theories.