Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE (Read 2364764 times)

marathonman · « **Reply #2700 on:** October 30, 2015, 10:08:17 PM »

Our entire Universe is a perpetual motion machine and just the thought of scientist saying their is no such thing is unbelievably hilarious.
our present day system is designed to rob every person of even basic needs and keep then in perpetual debt.
it is up to people like us, the average person to break out of the grid lock these rich MF morons have us in.
our Governments and corporate World Kill many people a year just to keep status quo... ie massive inflow of money.

these devises where not figments of our imagination, nor are they merely used to empress, they are for real and highly suppressed.
the likes of JP Morgan, Rockefeller, Rothschild and their cohorts know no bounds when it comes to GREED and CONTROL.

RandyFL · « **Reply #2701 on:** October 31, 2015, 12:35:12 AM »

The robber Barons robbed...yes admittedly! But there is a thing called return on investment...and its the opportunity to get ahead if you can create the scenario ...but if you enslave yourself in the webs of Madison 5th ave. gotta have a new iphone ipad new car... new everything
who's fault is that?

I think Tesla's motor and alternator patent is a keeper but you gotta build it, test it and run it.................

Its Tesla's patent 555190 ( a motor and a generator )

Doug1 · « **Reply #2702 on:** October 31, 2015, 01:16:08 PM »

Randy
I think you meant this one see link. The numerical identifiers sometimes expand to include extra O's as the number of patents to date recorded use up all the numbers.Like social sec numbers get longer eventually or phone numbers.

http://www.teslauniverse.com/sites/default/files/patent_pdfs/00555190.pdf

They added many more possibles since 555190 by placing two zeros in front of it. Just think there somewhere there is a number 00000001. I think the mouse trap is still the one idea with the most number of patents. Yet a shoe still works best.
As for the patent you sited it does state it produces the power to run itself. The picture which is what most people will glance over shows two views.The first image being an ordinary arrangement with a prime mover. If you are just glancing over the images it would be quickly dismissed and ignored. Not reading you would miss out on the statement that the first one is to show the ordinary and second the modification to achieve the patent. Two separate fields 90 degrees out of phase both of which are independent. Two things which are the same but totally separate in time crossing over the same space working cooperatively to produce an effect on the space between them. If Tesla only knew what would pass for an advanced society in the future he would have broke out Marathonman's crayons. Who really knows how many are out there including ideas that people never patented. Makes ya wonder if your researching the wrong thing.

norman6538 · « **Reply #2703 on:** October 31, 2015, 01:33:47 PM »

Quote from: RandyFL on October 31, 2015, 12:35:12 AM

.........

I think Tesla's motor and alternator patent is a keeper but you gotta build it, test it and run it.................

Its Tesla's patent 555190 ( a motor and a generator )

When I see a patent this old and do not see motors on the shelf ready to buy
then I have to question the validity of the patent....But it sure looks like Figuera
stuff with the 90degree coil.....

Randy did you make this motor?

https://www.google.com/patents/US555190?dq=patent:555190&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAmoVChMIuq_botnsyAIVwvAmCh3TXQsf

Norman

citfta · « **Reply #2704 on:** October 31, 2015, 02:09:15 PM »

I have read completely through that patent 3 times now and I don't see anywhere that Tesla said it would run itself. Where does anyone get that idea from the patent? What Tesla is describing is an early version of an induction motor. This patent is a way to run an induction motor from a single phase source instead of a 2 or 3 phase source. His secondary coils as he calls them produce an opposing field shifted in phase to cause the rotation of the armature. That is all this patent is about.

Doug1 · « **Reply #2705 on:** October 31, 2015, 02:55:54 PM »

citfa
Third time was not the charm, take a break try again later when your head is clear you missed every novel feature of this invention.I can only guess your trying to multi task your thoughts which is like being a jack of all trades and an expert of none.

norman6538 · « **Reply #2706 on:** October 31, 2015, 04:13:07 PM »

Quote from: citfta on October 31, 2015, 02:09:15 PM

I have read completely through that patent 3 times now and I don't see anywhere that Tesla said it would run itself. Where does anyone get that idea from the patent? What Tesla is describing is an early version of an induction motor. This patent is a way to run an induction motor from a single phase source instead of a 2 or 3 phase source. His secondary coils as he calls them produce an opposing field shifted in phase to cause the rotation of the armature. That is all this patent is about.

I read through and did not find it either.
So are we talking about 555,190 Feb 25, 1896?
if so what page and line number did I miss?

Norman

antijon · « **Reply #2707 on:** October 31, 2015, 04:23:46 PM »

No, I also have to disagree. I see nothing in the patent that claims it could power itself or generate for an outside load.

He used "transformer" action to provide a second phase. This is the closed circuit he was referring to.

I'm not sure where I read it, but he mentioned before of using a transformer with a motor; the primary of the transformer in series with one winding, and the secondary of the transformer powering the winding at 90 degrees. This patent must be his finished product- the transformer is included in the motor. This works because the secondary of the transformer produces a current before the reactance of the primary of the transformer allows line current to pass.

Since the advent of the permanent split phase capacitor motor, this type of single phase powered motor is outdated. Heavier and more expensive, but probably more reliable, as capacitors fail quite often.

citfta · « **Reply #2708 on:** October 31, 2015, 04:33:35 PM »

Quote from: Doug1 on October 31, 2015, 02:55:54 PM

citfa
Third time was not the charm, take a break try again later when your head is clear you missed every novel feature of this invention.I can only guess your trying to multi task your thoughts which is like being a jack of all trades and an expert of none.

Doug,

I will admit I am not a brain surgeon or a NASA scientist but one thing I do know a lot about is electric motors. I have worked in electronics for over 50 years and on motors and generators and motor controllers for over 30 years. There is nothing in this patent we are discussing that suggests this motor can run itself.

Now I am NOT saying that Tesla may not have built overunity machines but I am saying this is NOT one of them

Respectfully,
Carroll

antijon · « **Reply #2709 on:** October 31, 2015, 04:35:36 PM »

Here it is: http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1888-05-16.htm

He states,

Quote

Two more motors of this kind have suggested themselves to me. 1. A motor with one of its circuits in series with a transformer and the other in the secondary of the transformer.

This paper was published the same year that particular patent was filed.

Doug1 · « **Reply #2710 on:** October 31, 2015, 04:46:11 PM »

I have leave to attend a benefit lunch for a cancer patient but will return later to see if you have recognized the novel features of the patent. I hate getting dressed up and being around loads of people so hopefully I wont just end up crabby.

RandyFL · « **Reply #2711 on:** October 31, 2015, 04:57:54 PM »

Wow...
nothing gets past you guys...

1. I suggest you go back and look at 3 phase generating and transmission by your local purveyor of electricity...
a. who invented that?
b. why?

2. I would also suggest you going outside or in your garage and open up the hood of your car and see ... I don't know.... maybe a Fxxxxxx "alternator "..........................
a. Gee who invented that thing? I guess ...................its " useless " eh
b. I wonder what its for............duh?

3. An alternator is a.......................................motor turned inside out.........
a. who would want to build an alternator when you could possible find it at the local auto supplies purveyor
b. go look up " ufopolitics " if you wanna build motors

you might not find the forest because too many trees are in the way

ya might wanna actually consider studying the patent..............................................................................

All the best

citfta · « **Reply #2712 on:** October 31, 2015, 05:15:18 PM »

Quote from: RandyFL on October 31, 2015, 04:57:54 PM

Wow...
nothing gets past you guys...

1. I suggest you go back and look at 3 phase generating and transmission by your local purveyor of electricity...
a. who invented that?
b. why?

2. I would also suggest you going outside or in your garage and open up the hood of your car and see ... I don't know.... maybe a Fxxxxxx "alternator "..........................
a. Gee who invented that thing? I guess ...................its " useless " eh
b. I wonder what its for............duh?

3. An alternator is a.......................................motor turned inside out.........
a. who would want to build an alternator when you could possible find it at the local auto supplies purveyor
b. go look up " ufopolitics " if you wanna build motors

you might not find the forest because too many trees are in the way

ya might wanna actually consider studying the patent..............................................................................

All the best

Randy,

What are you talking about? I didn't see where anyone said any of Tesla's patents were useless. There is no doubt he is probably the greatest inventor this world has ever seen. His AC systems made it possible to send power anywhere needed. His AC motors revolutionized industrial machines.

My only problem with this patent is the claim by Doug that Tesla said it could power itself. I can not find in that patent where Tesla makes that claim and so far Doug has not shown where he got that idea.

By the way, mentioning Dufo's silly attempts to make a better motor in the same post as talking about Tesla is a tremendous insult to Tesla.

Respectfully,
Carroll

pedroxime · « **Reply #2713 on:** October 31, 2015, 06:32:34 PM »

Hi Marathonman and everybody

This is what probably happened: one of those 1800s dynamos with electromagnets arrived to Figuera island and he had the idea of pulse the electromagnets in static mode and it worked
http://www.lafavre.us/brush/dynamo.htm

The patent... Seriously questionable, the same time when Tesla was not allowed to give free energy to the world the same bankster buy the Figuera pat , too easy to replicate To make it public

The reason why those 1800s dynamos were so eficients is cause they had weak steam motors and in some cases the need human or animal energy. They were forced To do it the smart way

antijon · « **Reply #2714 on:** October 31, 2015, 08:12:05 PM »

I can see the forest and the trees.

But I'm not following. Motor, alternator, generator... ?

I wouldn't buy anything that Ufopolitics has to say.

BTW, has anyone ever studied the synchronous condenser?

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