Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE (Read 2370856 times)

marathonman · « **Reply #2670 on:** October 26, 2015, 04:17:18 PM »

antijon: I would just like to point out that NO WHERE in the Patent does it state that they are North and South just Sets of N and S. this is being so over looked it's not funny.
"would produce equal and opposite currents which cancel... or simply no current at all." this is exactly why Sets of N cannot be all North and Sets of S cannot be all South. the set S is of opposite polarity to Set N and in order to produce large currants each output coil has to be of opposite polarity. this is a fact that can not be Denied nor over looked.
and also you keep saying that my proposal won't work because it is at 90 degrees well it worked fine when it was in a ring Dynamo so why would it not work here.
that's like saying a peanut is not a peanut because it's not in it's shell..... sorry it's still a peanut no matter how you look at it.

hanon · « **Reply #2671 on:** October 26, 2015, 05:19:39 PM »

Watching closely the canadian patent I think it can not work with the induced coil as it is drawn in the patent figure. Note that one part of the induced loop is transversed by a magnetic field in the direction between poles N----|-----S while the second part of the induced loop is also transversed by a magnetic field in the same direction N----|-----S , being "|" the symbol for the induce wire. In one case the induction is producing a current upwards, while the second case the current is downward, which is non-sense. In this case both effect will cancel each other and the net result would be zero.

It must have a different winding that the one drawn in the patent. This is why I think that figures in patent are many times used to misguide, being the text (claims) the really important part of the patent . The patent just claims that the induced coil is placed between electromagnets: one half between two poles (let´s say N----|----S) and other half between other two poles (let´s say S----|----N) as I attach in the figure below drawn over Figuera´s sketch. I tend to think that it were the case in Figuera patent the two induced coils should be placed in the thick part which surrounds the electromagnets cores up and down. I see two possibilities (see below)

The canadian patent is badly redacted because the claims are so ambiguous that you would not get any protection even if the device had really worked.

antijon · « **Reply #2672 on:** October 26, 2015, 05:46:39 PM »

A ring Dynamo is moving.

It's a whole different thing. It works because the coil sees a flux and changing inductance over time. Dude, I'm not here to argue, I'm just here for the science.

@hanon, I agree completely, but there is a way that the patent can work as stated. I can't draw it out right now, but if you can imagine the flux moving across the wires individually, it's feasible.

antijon · « **Reply #2673 on:** October 26, 2015, 08:16:01 PM »

Hanon, this is the action I was referring to. The square and small circles represent the coil. The lines represent the external field. I'm just saying it may be feasible. I think the field induced by the coil would also have some effect though.

marathonman · « **Reply #2674 on:** October 26, 2015, 08:21:06 PM »

Quote from Hanon: Watching closely the Canadian patent I think it can not work with the induced coil as it is drawn in the patent figure. Note that one part of the induced loop is traversed by a magnetic field in the direction between poles N----|-----S while the second part of the induced loop is also traversed by a magnetic field in the same direction N----|-----S , being "|" the symbol for the induce wire. In one case the induction is producing a current upwards, while the second case the current is downward, which is non-sense. In this case both effect will cancel each other and the net result would be zero.
you are right in your assumption but what if while one side was taken high N|S the other side was taken low N|S this would reverse polarity on one half of the coil. each electromagnet N|S acting in unison, like a push pull kind of thing

??
i have even thought of the Figueras Device in this manor.

marathonman · « **Reply #2675 on:** October 27, 2015, 11:20:16 AM »

Doug1; i decided to post it any ways.

This is what i am referring to Hanon,

when the North Magnet/Electromagnet is approaching the core pic #1 currant is flowing down left side of coil.
when South Magnet/Electromagnet is Approaching the core pic #2 currant is flowing up left side of coil.{opposite with same side}
now take South Approaching Magnet/Electromagnet around the other end of the North Approaching Magnet/Electromagnet now the Currant/B Fields/Polarity are the same, complimenting one another.
when you do the same with the #3 and #4 Receding Magnets/Electromagnets you will get the same thing at opposite polarity with currant?B Fields/Polarity the same, complimenting one another.
so that leads me to Pic #5 at bottom one set Approaching and one set Receding, complimenting each other.

Doug1 · « **Reply #2676 on:** October 27, 2015, 12:19:45 PM »

One non matal ruler two magnets and one coil of wire connected to a mutli meter will go a long way.

marathonman · « **Reply #2677 on:** October 27, 2015, 12:47:13 PM »

Doug1 what is matal ?

antijon · « **Reply #2678 on:** October 27, 2015, 03:23:09 PM »

Well, did some general tests on perpendicular coil last night. Working on the basis that says a changing B field perpendicular to a coil produces current, I found bumkiss. When the coil is perfectly centered and flat against the electromagnet, and the B field is uniform, zero current flows.

The Canadian patent is non-working unless he uses a foreign coil wrapping technique different from a typical solenoid. Apparently, he also confused the difference between a moving and non-moving magnetic field.

norman6538 · « **Reply #2679 on:** October 27, 2015, 04:26:52 PM »

Marathonman your drawing made it clear but I need the wording to finish my understand completely. So here it is.

Today is truely a great day for alternate energy.
Refer to fig. 5 in this message.

http://overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg464191/#msg464191

As we know when current flows there will be a push back/Lenz counter to motion force
and that force in this drawing will be counter balanced by the N to S magnetic attraction.

I suggest
1. a flat coil because you do not want to go inside the coil and you do not want to
get super close where you have an attraction sticky spot
2. mount two magnets per fig 5 on a scissors ends so that they can
simultaneously can approach and leave equally.
3. and if that force is not equal two repelling magnets of a proper matched force
on the other ends could match up/balance the Lenz and magnet attraction force.
4. to test this drive it with a weight on a string/connecting rod and run 2 tests
a. no current flowing and b. with the coil shorted.
The times should be the same if this idea works.

This setup is not a NO LENZ generator but a magnetically balanced generator.

This means we can generate either 1 watt or 100 watts for only the mechanical work
to move the mechanism.
This is a new day for sure.

Thanks Marathonman for your dilligence to get my mind to understand the principle.

I think there is a problem when the magnet leaves because Lenz will resist leaving
like the attracting magnets resist separation but that can be handled with repel balancing also.

Norman

gyulasun · « **Reply #2680 on:** October 27, 2015, 05:15:18 PM »

Quote from: marathonman on October 27, 2015, 12:47:13 PM

Doug1 what is matal ?

He wanted to type metal I think, so he must have meant a non metal ruler.

hanon · « **Reply #2681 on:** October 27, 2015, 09:16:53 PM »

In Figuera 1908 patent one pole is getting stronger while the other pole is getting weaker. Therefore is like one pole approaching and the other receding simultaneusly

This is an interesting video:
https://youtu.be/SMHmLgXWR1U

forest · « **Reply #2682 on:** October 27, 2015, 10:08:55 PM »

I like the way how you progress...keep doing this great work...

KISS

Doug1 · « **Reply #2683 on:** October 27, 2015, 10:14:42 PM »

Ya know what happens when two magnets are put together facing the same way?You get one magnet. Even when there is a space between them it still acts like one magnet.
If you think you can generate a voltage with current by sloshing a coil back and forth in the middle of magnet in the dead zone then have fun with that. When you get done wasting time turn them so like poles face each other so it always keeps the poles separated from one another so the Y coil and the 2 magnetic fields can actually do something. The strong one will push the week one out of the Y coil as the power is cycled between the two sets N and S which are wired to have the same magnetic poles facing each other with the Y in the middle. Ruler magnets coil. Move the coil to simulate the fluctuation of field strength after all he states it makes no difference if the magnetic field moves in and out of the coil Y by rotation or current which caused it is increased and decreased. Prove it to yourself.

hanon · « **Reply #2684 on:** October 27, 2015, 10:53:51 PM »

This is exactly done in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCClYZp9Yls#t=3m00s

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