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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2370843 times)

norman6538

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2655 on: October 25, 2015, 01:02:54 PM »
Is anyone working or a simple test of these coil ideas or does anyone have an ideas about how to make a simple test to demonstrate the principle?

I'd like to see that but don't have it fully together enough to make something to get a simple test.


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Doug1

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2656 on: October 25, 2015, 01:29:15 PM »
Marathonman
  If your right,you should be able to build a single section unit and run it backwards supplying ac power to the output coil and seeing what comes out of the input coils/inducers. A measurable output that will indicate what the input will need to be in order to achieve the opposite which would be running it the right way round to have the correct output from the output coil.
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2657 on: October 25, 2015, 01:49:40 PM »
Quote from: DreamThinkBuild on October 24, 2015, 11:20:47 PM
Hi Marathonman,

In patent 30378 Figuera shows an alternate version which is a little abstracted by the mechanical elements.

A 2001 Canadian patent CA2357550 by Bud T. Johnson is the closest to this setup.

CA2357550 - Electrical generator - solid state configuration

https://www.google.com/patents/CA2357550A1

I have to agree that idea sounds simple by Figuera's description it is pretty much lock an AC generator coil at the 90 degree mark and just alternate the flux cutting through the center with electromagnets.

Hi DreamThinkBuild,

Could you please give me the complete patent of Bud T. Johnson quoted above? I have done googling with no result yet.. Thanks a lot for your help..

Best regards,

Poorpluto
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DreamThinkBuild

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2658 on: October 25, 2015, 02:12:19 PM »
Hi Poorpluto,

No problem, attached is the patent.
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Doug1

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2659 on: October 25, 2015, 02:23:34 PM »
Ploto

 When your looking at the page that pops up a lot of the text is in another color because they are hyper links. Googleing his name brings up a lot of stuff.
https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=pts&hl=en&q=ininventor:%22Bud+T.J.+Johnson%22&gws_rd=ssl

 Clicking on the hyper links in the sitations brings you to other similar patents and if the name for assignee is a hyper link it will expand into more names if there are more then one person who is a partner in the patent. If you click around you'll find Bearden and a few others on what looks like a meg in another patent which is sighted. Canada lays out their patents differently then the us. I left the hyper link for all the stuff Johnson had a hand in or was linked to in other stuff. 
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Doug1

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« Reply #2660 on: October 25, 2015, 02:32:51 PM »
Sometimes where is says applicant if there is company name along with the inventor you can click on it and Google will come back with a list which may include the art work.
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Doug1

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2661 on: October 25, 2015, 02:49:07 PM »
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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2662 on: October 25, 2015, 04:50:41 PM »
@DreamThinkBuild Thank you very much for your kind help & quick response, I do appreciate it
and @Doug1, I'll give it a check..

Keep Figuering!

Poorpluto
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marathonman

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2663 on: October 25, 2015, 06:46:37 PM »
Quote from: Doug1 on October 25, 2015, 01:29:15 PM
Marathonman
  If your right,you should be able to build a single section unit and run it backwards supplying ac power to the output coil and seeing what comes out of the input coils/inducers. A measurable output that will indicate what the input will need to be in order to achieve the opposite which would be running it the right way round to have the correct output from the output coil.
Not sure about that but i am working on one section just to prove my point. have a few transformers laying around and a few i acquired so i am building a mock up. lacking the proper wire but it is just to prove my point.
i will post my findings as soon as i can.
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hanon

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2664 on: October 25, 2015, 08:12:19 PM »
Quote from: DreamThinkBuild on October 24, 2015, 11:20:47 PM
Hi Marathonman,

In patent 30378 Figuera shows an alternate version which is a little abstracted by the mechanical elements.

A 2001 Canadian patent CA2357550 by Bud T. Johnson is the closest to this setup.

CA2357550 - Electrical generator - solid state configuration

https://www.google.com/patents/CA2357550A1

I have to agree that idea sounds simple by Figuera's description it is pretty much lock an AC generator coil at the 90 degree mark and just alternate the flux cutting through the center with electromagnets.


Hi,


Thanks for sharing this patent. I have found it very interesting.


The winding pattern is related to the one in this old post:


http://overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg420569/#msg420569


The image that you linked is not from patent 30378, but from patent 30376, but the idea is perfectly expressed. The image included in that old post is the 30378 drawing plus a drawing of the proposed winding, because, sadly, the 30378 original patent do not include the induced circuit. It mentions it but it is not drawn. 


A quote from patent no. 30378 that I think that it supports the flux cutting that Figuera, IMHO, used in his devices by moving the magnetic fields:


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" In Gramme ring and in current dynamos, current is produced
by induction created on the wire of the induced circuits while
its coils cut the lines of force "
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" The inventors believe that is exactly the same that the induced
circuit coils cut the lines of force, than that these lines of force
 cross the induced wire. "


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marathonman

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2665 on: October 25, 2015, 11:27:18 PM »
In my humble opinion this Patent should not of been issued as it infringes on Figueras Patent in which is in public domain as those Patent are expired but i have no expertise in that field.
Figueras device is  more efficient than this device as he used two cores instead of one,  eliminating Hysteresis in the inducers completely and by using pure Iron output core the Hysteresis their is almost non existent.
but all in all this is a good device and it does supports my theory.
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Doug1

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2666 on: October 26, 2015, 12:35:52 PM »
You have to file in each country you want to secure your rights in, which is pointless if you do not have the finances to higher attorneys in all those places in the event of having take legal action. Patents do not come with free legal support they just give you leg to stand on as proof of ownership. Thats only worth about 50 cents if you take into consideration the governments can decide to over ride your rights for number of reasons. You wont know that or what those reasons are until it happens. Kind of like playing poker with someone who is making up the rules as they go along so they will always win and you will always lose. It always comes down to money. Just another reason the system has to be forced into total collapse.
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Doug1

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2667 on: October 26, 2015, 01:33:03 PM »
Marathonman
 I found you a good and simple tool to use which will most likely help you in the end.
 http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/emfchb.html#c3
 You may have to play around with it for while to figure out how your model is going to function. It will surely determine if or if not your confusing the motion of the field"s" with the position of magnets.

  This tool can be used by itself to make right all the silly notions which will never work if the desired result is a self runner.
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marathonman

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2668 on: October 26, 2015, 03:29:29 PM »
The only tool i found on that site is a solenoid magnetic field calc tool and that's it. i have already been using a solenoid tool from another site. besides i can't get it to work. if you are referring to another tool on that site i am lost.
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antijon

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2669 on: October 26, 2015, 03:43:56 PM »
Doug1, induction really is amazing. That tool is what sparked my curiosity when I was a kid. It's crazy to think that the induced current will still flow even if the coil is already powered.  ;D

Norman, I have tried my ideas. Mainly the three coils, will poles all vertical, or parallel with each other. I think it's the same general design as the one Bajac was working on. But I don't have the skill to make a commutator, so I used AC with a capacitor to make 2 phase. I figured that would be faux pas, so I didn't mention the results. I'm only dealing with 12V input, but the max output I got was 91V, which exceeded the supposed output for the turns ratio, which should have been 60V.

I think one of the problems with this particular setup is that the "exciter" induction can bypass the coil. When loaded the output was only .5W. The image might be an improvement to this design, by adding an airgap to prevent the exciters from bypassing the coil. Really, with a larger coil, higher inductance, and properly wound exciters, this design may work. Bajac may have better success.

About this perpendicular coil patent, I have doubts that it works. It looks like he has the electromagnets wired in parallel, and all the fields in the same direction. This could be powered by AC instead of a DC switching circuit, but I guess he included that for the high current pulse and lack of reactance. Saying that this resembles a generator doesn't mean anything guys, because when the armature is at 90 degress in a generator, no current is produced.

The patent is also not like a dynamo, Gramme ring, or any other generator. It has a north on one side, and a south on one side, and if the coil were moving up and down, would produce equal and opposite currents which cancel... or simply no current at all. But I can see why it should work being static.
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