Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE (Read 2364930 times)

marathonman · « **Reply #2565 on:** September 27, 2015, 04:54:55 PM »

I am sure glad someone FINALLY understands me.
Sounds good Mr Forest.

forest · « **Reply #2566 on:** September 27, 2015, 08:27:11 PM »

I see how magnetic flux is passing through the pair of identical but oppositely wound induced coils generating two equal and opposite counter-forces which negate Lenz effect , am I right ?[/size]

I have only two problems with this design. First Figuera rotating device with induced coils rotating alone and stationary cores
become very difficult to build if the original dynamo was that one you posted.
The induced coils must be on the hollow frame with spokes and the round core must be reall levitating inside this frame ! (imagine empty space inside the car tire)
It could be there is another arrangement of coils with the same properties but with other orientation of induced coils !
The other not resolved problem is how the commutator is made with not breaking the circuit.
Hopefully we ended that silly resistors topic , guys ? Do you see what I mean ?

marathonman · « **Reply #2567 on:** September 28, 2015, 03:59:43 PM »

Hello every one.
I do not know if their was Mag Amps in Figueras days but it could of been easily implemented using the drum he so chose.
i to will not use resistors as this waste power through heat "BADLY" so i chose to use mag amps. by using two mag amps connected in reverse ie.... one high side/Low side to Low side/high side. in this fashion it will act "EXACTLY" as Figueras drum commutator did except no waste heat or parts to wear out. it can be controlled by Patrick's design/ or mine as i prefer, to mimic the drum's action.
i know i have posted the mag amps in simplified form but the real one i am using in pictured below.
easily implemented using a small three phase transformer. and yes i can use a Toroid is so desired.
the pic below will have multiple dc taps to mimic the drum action increasing or decreasing saturation in the core causing the output to increase or decrease.

Forest/Everybody please study the actions of the rotating Dynamo more closely and you will see that #1 i am right #2 it will be easily to implement. all the rotating Dynamo does is reverse the flux through the core/coil every step of rotation. each advancement of the rotor shifts the flux in the opposite direction. then by daisy chaining them together "each pair acting as a battery" will raise the voltage to what ever is your desired voltage is. you can then parallel them to get higher amperage if needed.

Acoms razor: The simplest solution tends to be the correct one. it was right in front of our faces all this time. so simple a child could operate it. we as human's tend to over complicate thing when the simplest solution was staring us square in the face.
FIGUERAS was a simplified Genius !

marathonman · « **Reply #2568 on:** September 28, 2015, 05:10:29 PM »

IT can't get ANY simpler than this. pic #1 Red is high. pic #2 Blue is high.
the arrow in between cores/coils are just to show the direction of current.... in reality their is "NO" interaction between coils....no LENZ EFFECT.

hanon · « **Reply #2569 on:** September 28, 2015, 05:28:55 PM »

Whoever that is doing tests should test every possible configuration and placement. Maybe this proposal is right , but we should not forget that NRamaswani has posted some experimental value showing OU results, and his cores were aligned. His post is to take into deep consideration. He seems to have been testing in deep and try many configurations. I see just one flaw. He should redo the measurement with an oscilloscope to assure that the output is or not greater that the input, or do any kind of calorimetry to measure find the number of watts out.

Also we have to take into consideration some of the Buforn´s patents. His patents show that the cores orientations. If his patents are not right we should then consider that he is lying to hide the true configuration and his patents were not valid in that case. I attach here a zoom of one figure from one Buforn´s patent

Regards

marathonman · « **Reply #2570 on:** September 28, 2015, 06:49:08 PM »

SEE PIC and you will understand.

hanon · « **Reply #2571 on:** September 28, 2015, 11:07:33 PM »

QUOTE FROM BUFORN PATENT 57955 (year 1914)

"The way to collect this current is so easy that it almost seems excused to explain it,
because we will just have to interposed between each pair of electromagnets N and S,
which we call inducers, another electromagnet, which we call induced, properly placed
so that either both opposite sides of its core will be into hollows in the corresponding
inducers and in contact with their respective cores, or either, being close the induced
and inducer and in contact by their poles"

MagnaProp · « **Reply #2572 on:** September 28, 2015, 11:33:03 PM »

Quote from: hanon on September 28, 2015, 11:07:33 PM

...both opposite sides of its core will be into hollows in the corresponding inducers..."

Good point. Might help to encase the coils in permeable metal also as Ed mentions?

antijon · « **Reply #2573 on:** September 29, 2015, 01:44:24 AM »

Hey guys, call me a purist, but I think I'll stick with the patent and the way Figuera described it. In fact, I don't think the patent image is wrong or misleading at all... except for the way the induced coil is wired with those two little wires coming out. lol

@ marathonman, I know your coil setup imitates a rotating generator, particulary the Gramme ring, which we all know is the father of the "barrel winding" motor or generator... but I really don't think you'll have much success. I know hanon and I have both experimented with transverse or perpendicular windings with little output. You probably will get some output because of the North and South coil orientation, but not a free energy machine. Barrel windings literally cut the magnetic field lines, that's how the current is excited, so without moving the coil or magnet you're just relying on induction, which isn't very much in this case.

As for the Figuera generator, I'm going to say we simply don't understand what he made. It is a stationary, rotating generator. Or if the induced coil were mounted on bearings, it would be a motor... or at least a vibrator.

I'm eating my words now, because I said the poles would need to be the same polarity, but no, he was right, they are North and South, all 7 rows.

This guy, woopyjump, is the only person I know that actually made it according to the patent. https://youtu.be/HlOGEnKpO-w

in this video https://youtu.be/3QguCN8TP7o he shows a setup powered by only two transistors. Note: this would be identical to powering it with half-wave rectified AC, like with diodes. At the 4:30 mark, he shows how current INCREASES when he removes the induced circuit. He also states that current is "almost double" when the two inducer magnets are NOT connected.

These strange things plus the ghost voltage that he talks about all point to the same thing. Figuera made an induction motor. lol

MagnaProp · « **Reply #2574 on:** September 29, 2015, 02:31:14 AM »

I don't see how lenz has much of a chance to hurt this system. I think that getting out what you put in a transformer is the wrong way to go about using one or even trying to get out more than what you put in. If the secondary is small enough then you get less out of the secondary without hurting what you put into the primary. A smaller secondary can't possibly build up enough lenz to fight back equally. That doesn't begin to factor in other things like delayed lenz to have what little lenz there is help the system instead of hurt it.

Quote from: antijon on September 29, 2015, 01:44:24 AM

Hey guys, call me a purist, but I think I'll stick with the patent and the way Figuera described it...

I changed my mind on what I said in the Ed post but didn't want to leave the post blank so just kept the info there. I agree that staying as close to the patent as possible is the best way to start. Woopyjump had some of the best examples. He hasn't posted in a while. Anyone know what he is up to?

antijon · « **Reply #2575 on:** September 29, 2015, 03:41:41 AM »

Actually MagnaProp, I enjoyed the excerpt. Ed was right, too, as that's how lifting magnets are made now.

I don't know what you guys are talking about with the Lenz... Lenz current is the reason why a transformer can be plugged in with nothing on the secondary. It's what we call the impedance, or inductive reactance. It's also what lets an induction motor pull such low current.

We all know that motors have very low ohms, right? Most compressor motors I see have about 2 Ohms, which at 240V would draw 120 amps. But because of the Lenz law they only draw about 8-12 amps depending on load.

Figuera's generator uses Lenz to aid it, just like an AC motor. That's why it has to be a North and a South. See, because of his commutator, when one is increasing in strength, it produces a back voltage, or Lenz current, in the other. this effectively nullifies a part of the incoming current, so instead of a high current it would only need something small to run.

That's why woopyjump's video is a perfect demo. The north and south have to be inductively coupled to lower the current draw. And I don't know the guy, but I wonder if he made a larger setup. I think large inductors would show a much larger effect, like extreme power out with little current in.

hanon... "or either, being close the induced
and inducer and in contact by their poles"

doesn't this mean that the inductors are aligned and their poles are in contact? Parallel inductors, right?

marathonman · « **Reply #2576 on:** September 29, 2015, 04:20:46 AM »

So can someone please tell me where it say's that the inducers are C cores....... yah right! that's what i thought.....NILL.
that's why everyone using c cores got squat output and will continue to get squat output.
that's why i chucked the C core design cause it don't work.

antijon sorry its not a Gramme ring.

marathonman · « **Reply #2577 on:** September 29, 2015, 05:39:19 AM »

antijon{quote{@ marathonman, I know your coil setup imitates a rotating generator, particulary the Gramme ring, which we all know is the father of the "barrel winding" motor or generator... but I really don't think you'll have much success. I know hanon and I have both experimented with transverse or perpendicular windings with little output. You probably will get some output because of the North and South coil orientation, but not a free energy machine. Barrel windings literally cut the magnetic field lines, that's how the current is excited, so without moving the coil or magnet you're just relying on induction, which isn't very much in this case.

Quote from Figueras Patent....Thus, varying the intensity of the current, varies the magnetic field which crosses through the induction circuit.

Quote from Figueras patent...Therefore it does not matter if these induced currents were generated by rotating
the induction coils, or by varying the magnetic flux which passes through them.

Quote from Figueras Patent...The principle on which this theory is based, has the unavoidable need for the movement of either the induction
circuit or the magnetic circuit, and so, these machines are considered to be a transformer of mechanical work into
electricity.

Quote from Figueras Patent...In order to attain the production of large industrial electrical currents, using the principle that electrical current can
be provided by just changing the flow of magnetic flux through an induction circuit.

Quote fron Figueras Patent...DESCRIPTION OF GENERATOR OF VARIABLE EXCITATION “FIGUERA”
The machine is comprised of a fixed inductor circuit, consisting of several electromagnets with soft iron cores
enhancing induction in the induction circuit.

NOW ! what was that you said about induction antion. next time read it twice.

RandyFL · « **Reply #2578 on:** September 29, 2015, 09:47:02 AM »

Hello All,

Welcome back MarathonMan...
I have been busy with Life projects ( wall oven, cooktop, range hood and wall bed ) and last but not least surgical procedures... My morning studies have taken me in a different direction. The automobile alternator is the most important apparatus in a ICE and is the backbone of the Tesla electric Automobile ( only bigger of course ). My point in this is... Tesla has/had a patent on motors and generators...the difference between a dynamo and a alternator besides the spelling is the dynamo is dc and the alternator is ac ( sorry for being redundant here - I'm sure you know all of this ) anyway... Nikola Tesla already figured out the synchronicity of a motor and a alternator to be used to for work ... hence you power up the electric motor ( with whatever means you want ) which turns the alternator which produces the electricity to run the motor = synchronicity = Ockham's razor. The rocket scientists have already used bemf s to detect where in the cycle of 3 phased bldc motors to their ( ours too ) advantage...
the difference between Doug1 and my outlook on greedy corporations is if you want to beat them invest in them... its called a dividend. We probably agree on the One World Order which is for another thread elsewhere.

Lastly...I agree with your work ( its simple and very logical ) so build it.

welcome back
All the best
RandFL

Doug1 · « **Reply #2579 on:** September 29, 2015, 01:11:27 PM »

Right about now is when it goes sideways.

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