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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2361882 times)

MagnaProp

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2550 on: September 26, 2015, 02:38:02 AM »
...I strongly suspect that the central magnet emits some harmful radiations...
Sounds like a valid concern until we know for sure what this device produces and if these effects manifest themselves only when higher power levels are used. As someone interested in this device, would it help to only "turn on" this device when it's inside a Faraday cage? Does a Faraday cage stop gama rays, Xrays and such?

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2551 on: September 26, 2015, 11:55:39 AM »
This thread is infected with people who build nothing and have nothing. My personal favorite are the one's who boldly state "THIS IS MY LAST POST......... I SWEAR IT".... and then naturally return to continue posting  ???

Since its so EZ to claim success then I claim, on this day, that I, Member CORE have a working device. We now have a Figuera device and a Core Device.

Really?.... Are we to believe that a person who can't figure out how to resize a picture to 800 x 600 can figure out Figuera? ???

Sad day...... NRamaswami pay close attention here THIS IS HOW ITS DONE.

This is my last post, ......you lose


That's right I am taking my ball and leaving

- Core
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You are just frustrated because you didn't got the same result that NRamaswami got.  ;D

marathonman

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2552 on: September 26, 2015, 06:55:40 PM »
Like i said i have solved Figueras 108 year old secrete !
in picture #1 is an early 1900 rotating Dynamo...as you can see their is a north magnet at every other coil and a south every other coil opposite of north. so every time the rotation advances one coil the flux through the coils are reversed . there are basically two halves of the Dynamo in parallel for better amperage.
NOW cut in half......with only one half of the Dynamo in which is a complete circuit..... remove the Magnets and add Electromagnets at every coil North on bottom and south on top. now straighten it up in a line because it is no longer rotating. what you have looks similar to Figueras but wait there's more..... the reason Figueras cut the cores was because in order to eliminate Lenz's law effect something has to be done. as long as you have a north and a south in a coil you will  have the Lenz's effect present .....so how did Figueras side step this effect.........by separating the poles. you can not have the Lenz's law present with only one pole.....sorry it isn't going to happen .
Gentleman i give you Acoms razor: The simplest solution tends to be the correct one. see Figueras never changed the winding's nor the position or the firing of the cores. you still have to mimic the rotating Dynamo's magnets approaching and leaving the coils..... if you don't you will get nothing.
again #3 picture is Figueras design in a nut shell handed on a silver platter......108 years in the making.
he took a rotating Dynamo and made it stationary...kept the same wind pattern and the same firing order.

MagnaProp

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2553 on: September 26, 2015, 08:51:03 PM »
Thanks again for the info!
...by separating the poles. you can not have the Lenz's law present with only one pole.....sorry it isn't going to happen...
I would like to know more details on why this cancels or prevents Lenz. I do not question what you say but only wish to understand it better.

Does the orientation of the coil have anything to do with canceling Lenz? In your drawing Figuera cuts the coils 90 degrees to how the rotating version cuts the coils. So basically he changes the flux in the coil without actually cutting across sections of it. All sections of the coil get the same amount of change at the same time. Is this relevant to the lenz issue? I have drawn the bloch wall in blue and the red arrow is the direction it moves.

marathonman

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« Reply #2554 on: September 26, 2015, 09:39:18 PM »
NO!  it has everything to do with the splitting of the cores and switching at mid way. all the red cores are fired together then all the blue are fired together.....each pair acting as a battery in series just in reverse.just the same as it was a rotating Dynamo.
the north magnet will be attracted to the Iron core as will the south magnet causing a Potential difference by time-varying magnetic fields... ie if you have 50 volts negative north potential and 50 volts positive south potential then you have 100 volts peak to peak potential.all the cores are not fired at the same time. you have to follow the same rules as the rotating Dynamo but it is stationary.
Acoms razor: The simplest solution tends to be the correct one. Figueras took a rotating Dynamo and made it stationary....he changed NOTHING !  except the splitting of the cores.

marathonman

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2555 on: September 26, 2015, 09:40:27 PM »
ops!

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2556 on: September 26, 2015, 09:51:05 PM »
Please try to avoid big images and long text which goes long after the screen border. It's hard to read it.


Yeah, it looks correct. Could you give us the original source of generator picture ? I've never seen such one.
In that case the rotating 1902 device would be very strange indeed !!!


Ah, what a pain tha we cannot look at the picture of original rotating Figuera device from 1902. Finding the source dynamo generator would explain everything. If this is the one Figuera modified then the correct aproach is to follow his modifications. From eliminating rotating magnetic core through the second patent to the last one.


Very good thought marathonman. The last step is to add commutator to immitate rotation ! We are in completly new paradigm now. Keep going.....




MagnaProp

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2557 on: September 26, 2015, 09:51:34 PM »
NO!...the north magnet will be attracted to the Iron core as will the south magnet causing a Potential difference by time-varying magnetic fields...
Ok thanks. Guess the concept is beyond me. Keep up the good work though.

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« Reply #2558 on: September 26, 2015, 09:52:46 PM »
Like I said some time ago - the key is the first patent  ;D

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« Reply #2559 on: September 26, 2015, 09:56:28 PM »
You forgot the most elementary thought you said in first post  ::)  return and re-read it. I would press on finding the origilan dynamo Figuera modified - this is the most important. And for the God's sake - forget about resistors !

marathonman

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« Reply #2560 on: September 27, 2015, 03:47:12 AM »
First Pic Figureas 1908 Patent.... all annotates were added later "NOT BY FIGUERAS" all lines showing connections are incorrect.
Second Pic My Discovery.... all red cores fired together all blue squares fired together North south arrangement Cw-CCW-CW-CCW ect...just like the ORIGINAL ROTATING DYNAMO.
Figueas changed nothing because the original sequence of events of the rotating dynamo are still intact all he did was straighten out the dynamo and separate the cores the firing order are still the same.
Acoms razor: The simplest solution tends to be the correct one.....think like a rotating dynamo....well em...only stationary.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2561 on: September 27, 2015, 12:21:29 PM »

Ah, what a pain tha we cannot look at the picture of original rotating Figuera device from 1902. Finding the source dynamo generator would explain everything.



Yes we can. Here is the link to the Figuera´s rotary device, patent 30376 from 1902: [size=78%]http://www.alpoma.com/figuera/figuera_30376.pdf[/size]


I guess everyone should read the patents deeper, or just read it. This patent is out and translated into english from more than 2 years.


Marathonman, I can not get yet how to beat Lenz Law by powering alternatively both series. Take into account that the original dynamo uses motion to get flux cutting induction along the wires. I do not understand how to simulate movement with your proposal


About the induced coil orientation it has been always a big clue: some infor seems to indacate that the coil is aligned with the electromagnet while other sources seems to indicate to be perpendicular. For example in this link and the image I attach below taken from this link:


http://www.electricidadbasica.net/energias-renovables.htm


Who knows...

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« Reply #2562 on: September 27, 2015, 02:28:04 PM »
Marathonman, I can not get yet how to beat Lenz Law by powering alternatively both series. Take into account that the original dynamo uses motion to get flux cutting induction along the wires. I do not understand how to simulate movement with your proposal.

Are you serious ....do i have to draw it out with Crayola Crayon guys........ok here it goes, on page 171 i posted a early 1900 rotating Dynamo picture #1 as the magnets advance one coil the flux in the coil/core reverses direction.
 WITH EACH ADVANCEMENT THE FLUX IN THE COIL/CORE REVERSES DIRECTION ! see picture #1 then see picture #2
PLEASE STUDY PICS and you will see what i mean.

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« Reply #2563 on: September 27, 2015, 02:50:40 PM »
I forgot the third pic sorry... flux reversal just like it was rotating.

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« Reply #2564 on: September 27, 2015, 03:46:42 PM »
Great! Slowdown a bit please  :D  What is in your opinion the original dynamo modification Figuera done ,before creating solid state version ? Could it be that original dynamo was already Lenz-free and the only thing to do was to eliminate rotor core movement which eliminated magnetic flux drag  ?  Then he cut dynamo into chunks , added additional elecromagnets and commutators to switch currents and create  switching polarity  magnetic fluxes exactly the same as in rotating dynamo.
I wonder if he cut the original dynamo core in chunks right in the first - rotating device patent , but then the arrangement of induced coils was maybe different or he just glued cores again together into ring. That why I asked of original dynamo, because in patent there is ony a schematic representation of idea - it could be that dynamo you found marathonman, which makes the 1902 patent even more interesting (core levitating ? induced copper coils on light "cylinder" in fact rotating almost without friction !???)




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