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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2520 on: September 12, 2015, 08:15:24 AM »
On the 18th of november of 2014 a user posted the sketch that I attach below....
Thanks. I had not seen that image. I thought about the bar along the other side of the coils so it's good to see that may not be a crazy idea. I need to go through this whole thread again soon. The experiments I saw by woopy are very encouraging. He shows basically no change in his meter with the secondary present or not. It's taking me a while to understand this device but I think we are getting there.


...Figuera Device is probably the second device to use a well known principle...
Appreciate all the info. I agree with a lot of it. I'm still unclear on exactly how he defeats Lenz. I recall a tesla patent that mentions a lag in lenz showing up as a core is being saturated. I'm thinking this lag is what prevents lenz from hurting this device. The power to the primaries is switched so fast that by the time lenz shows up, it's to late for it to hurt the system. Lenz wants to push back but that coils electricity is already receding, so if anything it may help it recede by pushing back in the direction it's now going anyways. I think standard generators move to slow so that the lenz generated is in phase with the moving magnet allowing it to push back against it. At any rate, I can understand the need to take a brake from projects for a while. Hope you are able to come back after some rest as I find all info helpful.

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« Reply #2521 on: September 12, 2015, 06:51:53 PM »
Hi,
Please keep on involved in the forum. You have been the only really involved in the project, technically and economically. At least keep you visiting the forum some days and helping in spreading this project.

Regards


I'm giving up this research and this is my last post. I have actually asked the admin to delete all my posts and remove my account but that was not obliged.

Figuera Device is probably the second device to use a well known principle and the first being (If I'm correct, Daniel McFarland Cooks Device). The principle is simple. If you make a large permanent magnet core, there is a static magnetic field around it. If you can oscillate that static magnetic field so it becomes an oscillating magnetic field you can generate electricity from the oscillating or time varying magnetic field by putting  conductor in the area of influence of the now time varying magnetic field. In order to achieve it you need to ensure two things. High voltage AC must be applied and milliamps must be provided so that the permanent magnet is not destroyed. However this has the possibility of reducing the magnetic strength of the permanent magnet significantly.

Figuera therefore used DC Electromagnets and increased the Voltage by providing a lot of resistance and oscillated the DC using the DC commutator. He avoided backemf by ensuring that both N and S magnets had current always. The rotary device is an electromechanical device. It is quite difficult to avoid sparks unless it is professionally built but can be obtained. Since the current flowing was oscillated DC or as Doug1 indicated undulated DC the magnetism was not lost. If a shunted or shoted coil is placed over the core the shorted coil will act like a capacitor and will develop enormous amperage and so the magnetic field strength of the N and S permanent Magnets is never reduced. So far I have not seen any one mentioning the fact that the core is a permanent magnet core in the primaries.

If it very difficult to use high voltage pulsed DC or DC using mains. The amount of current drawn is very high. We can use step down transformers to make DC and create a powerful DC Electromagnet.

The second thing is that the resistors can be placed in between N1 and N2 and N2 and N3 and N3 and N4 and so on..This will result in the current being progressively reduced and voltage being progressively increased. In the opposite S magnets Since current is given from S7 to S1 reverse is the case. If in N magnets current is high, in S magnets the voltage is high.

Another important point is that Figuera used the amplification method. When you apply the current in parallel the output in the secondary is four times of what is expected if the voltage is halved by giving the current in serial.  Figuera avoided this by giving the current in parallel. The current moved from the edges to the center of the magnets and then went back to the edges of N and S. It is similar to clapping the hands. The secondary in the middle is half the diameter of the primary and half the length of the primary. (one primary) Therefore when the clapping hands moved towards the center the magnetic field strength in the center is very high. Voltage is high in one primary and magnetic field strength is high in another primary and this has resulted in the output in the secondary being high. The output is based on the diameter of the wire used in the secondary and the voltage developed. Voltage of the secondary is based on the number of turns and the current of the secondary is based on the diameter of the secondary wire. It necessarily follows that the number of turns in the primary must be high, sufficient to handle the current but also sufficient to create a magnetic field strength even if the current is low.

One way of doing this device without hassles is to give DC current through step down transformers to make the electromagnet a staturated permanent magnet core. This can be for about 2/3rd of the primary core. The rest of the primary core can have few layers of a coil that is neither shorted nor connected to any load but is kept open with the open ends insulated. On this we can have a multifilar coil of very thin wires and maintain the polarity of the cores. The permanent magnet will remain a permanent magnet. The multifilar coil will provide only milliamps and 220 volts AC. The input AC cannot demagnetise the permanent magnet which is in a saturated condition but it can easily distort the magnetic field. The output in the secondary is based on the number of turns and thickness of wires of the secondary. This is one way we can avoid the DC commutator.

I have observed COP>1 results two times. I have tried to replicate the Ramaswami device and reduced the output voltage to 351 volts and connected to the same earth points to which I connected two years back. Input was about 600 watts. Outut was dismal. 351 volts and 0.4 amps. I could not believe myself. Why the same earth points which produced an unbelievable amount of amperage two years back now would not work. Then a member of the forum who has occassionally posted here indicated that the earth rod would have rusted and the rust would have created an insulation and that might be the reason. I checked with a mentor who is a Prof in inorganic Chemistry only to be scolded that how I did not understand this simple thing of chemical reaction taking place and why I did not create fresh earth points after two years. The only rust proof metals that will never rust is 316L grade steel or Titanium. But the earth point for them should be prepared in such a way that they will not chemically interact with the surrounding material for the earth points to work as anticipated and desired. In addition the combination of salt water and the media surrounding the rust proof earth points must also be checked if we want to use the Earth. This is the specific reason why people are not able to use earth points consistently. Once we give a lot of current and water the earth point will interact with the surrounding carbon powder and salt and water very fast and will be rusted so much that the surface area available for conducting electricity is reduced. This is one of the reasons why people find it difficult to replicate the Barbosa and Leal devices. It works first time and second time onwards the efficiency goes down. If the above methodology is not checked and the earth points are electrical conductors working only like inert materials the problem will occur. I checked the centre coil alone and the output was 33 volts and 6 amps and it was able to light 10x200 watts lamps. Naturally not full brightness but the point was that if at 33 volts we get 6 amps and 10x200 watts lamps can glow, at 351 volts the output should be quite high.But when connected to the same earth points the output was just 0.4 amps. 

Figuera concept has now been implemented in a number of devices where permanent magnet is used on the transformer cores to increase the output. These devices are bound to fail after some time or if high AC fields are used for the permanent magnet will be significantly reduced and will be divested of the permanent magnetism. In addition the core will be heated if high current passes through and that will also demagnetise the permanent magnet. Figuera eliminated all these things at one stroke by making the entire primary cores DC Electromagnets and made them non-saturated permanent magnets. This is why the BuForn patent claims that what happens in the secondary is insigificant and every thing is done in the two primaries.

Now where is the extra energy coming from? There is no extra energy. This is quite difficult to understand. There is no violation of law of conservation of energy.

This device works like the solar cell. Solar cells produce electricity due to solar radition. We do not supply the solar radiation. It comes in nature. Similarly the magnets absorb charges from the atmosphere and keep conducting it from one pole to other. Every permanent magnet does not.

As I understand there are two particles which move from the atmosphere inside the permanent magnets. One of them is small and moves very fast and likes high resistance and is responsible for causing voltage. This is focussed on one pole of the magnets. The other particle is larger in size and moves slowly and requires thick wires and is responsbile for amperage and is saturated at the opposite poles. Both of them if I understand correctly are positive and negative charges. This is why like poles of magnets repel each other and unlike poles attract each other. It is the nature of magnets to attract the charges from the atmosphere and they keep travelling through the magnets and move out again in to the atmosphere and the process is repeated as long as the magnet remains a magnet. These two particles enter the magnet at diffent poles and once they are saturated inside the magnet they keep moving out to the atmosphere at the other end and the process is continuously repeated. This is why magnets are different from other non magnetic materials. It should be possible to check a permanent magnets aura and the movement of charges must be visible with proper instruments. This is why DC current which requires thick wires could not move to lot of distances and AC current which uses very high voltage could be transmitted to long distances. The voltage causing particle dislikes the thick wires and is reduced in the thick wires. If high voltage were to be transmitted through thick wires of less resistance we would require high current or very high amperage to be moved through the wire and the slower amperage particles cannot travel long distance. I may not be correctly describing but this is what happens.

You can test this by keeping two permanent magnets with their opposite poles on your both sides of your palm and you will know that the magnetic field penetrates your hand and muscles and the opposite poles will stick to each other and the hand will become warm after some time. If you want to do it cover your hand with a plastic sleeve and test as the magnets can easily pinch your skin and cause significant damage. So be careful. This method can relieve arthirities and will cause the blood to be charged and can kill bacterias, viruses and pathogens in the body. It can cure any disease in the human body. But the principle is that it charges the blood flowing in the body. This principle is used in the Magnetic pulsar of Bob Beck.

I understand that the idea that in generators where DC Electromagnets are rotated and output is less has led to the wrong notion that it is conversion of mechanical energy to electrical energy. If we put wood or plastic core and rotate it, will it result in the production of electricity. Of course not. A magnet on its own has a static field. The rotating magnetic core causes the rotating magnetic field or time varying magnetic field and the conductor subjected to this field produces electricity. The magnet need not be rotated for this. It is enough if we oscillate the static field to an oscillating field. The energy needed for oscillating the field of a large magnet is low but the output can be very high as it is based on the strength of the magnetic field, the diameter of secondary wire and the turns of the secondary wire.

Some how this is a very unlucky field. Figuera passed away within a few days of filng this patent. Other people who test this suffer. I myself has suffered very significantly and finally decided to stop all this.

Many questions have been raised why I have not posted any photos or videos. Unfortunately we had people checking if what I say is correct or not. Even those replicators suffered. In my case it is both personal and financial and professional and whatever I do I suffer. it is for this reason I stop this.

Whether COP>1 is possible? Yes. It is doable What is needed for it. Identify a ferromagnetic material that will have high magnetism as a permanent magnet and will not be demagnetized by the application of high voltage and milliamps AC input. About 40% of the rods that I used remain permanent magnets. other rods are not. We will need to check the composition of the rods and what is the difference in the molecular structure of the rods that remain permanent magnets and those that are not.

However when you do the COP>1 set up you have a kind of magnetic vortex forming in the central core. This is actually frightening. I'm no hero and at the kind of current I employed this kind of dangerous phenomena occurs. This should be avoided. For this reason the core should be significantly large and it is better to magnetise the core not to saturation but some lower point so that the magnetic vortex kind of things are avoided. I'm not interested in this field any more. It is a fairly unlucky field. I would sincerely advice any one to avoid this.

TK is a very intelligent man. He appears to use power Electronics. He pointedly asked me a question as to what is the shape of the waves and whether the full wave positive sign waves are above 5. it simply means whether the magnetic field is not allowed to collapse. Only when the magnetic field collapses backemf will come or Lenz law will operate. TK indicated he would need to check it with an osciloscope. Prof Figuera avoided all that by using DC to magnetise the core first and then oscillating the DC so the permanent magnet is never demagnetised. Figuera also avoided that even if there is high amperage the permanent magnet would remain a permanent magnet for the DC current is always there. I do not think Prof Figuera had access to an oscilloscope. But in his claims he also pointed out that the heat is avoided in the device and so the maintenance is low. Therefore the core size is high and magnetism was not allowed to reach the saturation point by him. The invention remains state of the art even today after  107 years of its filing. It appears to employ the magnetic amplifier principle but the two primaries are both acting together to create that effect.

I have not checked if the device can be made to operate on its own. I'm told that if the COP>1 comes the device can operate on its own. High Voltage is needed for this to be achieved. But the secondary core must be larger to avoid the excessive magnetic saturation and the heat.
I frankly do not think that this device can be used for electromobiles. you need large cores to avoid heat. The weight of iron and coils that I used is greater than the weight of small electric cars. But my knowledge is very limited and I may well be wrong.

Let me focus on my practice. Sorry no pictures no videos and no responses. Some people in this forum have seen the photos and videos. This is a very unlucky field. Some one indicated that those doing this kind of thing would come under spiritual attacks. it seems to be the case. Let me completely avoid this unlucky field and let me focus on my practice. I will send the rods that became permanent magnets even after applying high voltage and high amperage AC and retain a remanent magnetism to some one who can verify what is their internal structure and what is the modification caused to them and what is their chemical composition and any other thing necessary. On my part I'm least interested in this.

I would again request the admin to delete all my posts and my account. Enough is enough. I decided to write this for no one appears to disclose that the primary cores become semi saturated permanent magnets and remain permanent magnets always and the rotary device is used to create undulated DC to distort the magnetic field of permanent magnets in the primary cores and that the secondary in the middle must be half the dia of the primary and half the length of the primary and so it experiences a sudden increase in the magnetic field strength and then it is reduced and increased again and again. There is nothing more to this device. Prof. Figuera himself indicates that the rotary device can be dispenses with a switch. Possibly an electromechnical switch but I'm not able to understand it. I have been successful only whe high voltage is applied and whenever low voltage is applied the output did not come. So high voltage and milliamps and high number of turns using the multifilar coils or helical coils of small wires and thick wires to send low voltage and high amperage DC to keep the rods powerful permanent magnets is what is needed here. The device certainly works and not a hoax. I believe I have shared all I know now in the forum and so let me leave and focus on my practice.

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« Reply #2522 on: September 13, 2015, 07:38:33 PM »

........... If a shunted or shoted coil is placed over the core the shorted coil will act like a capacitor and will develop enormous amperage and so the magnetic field strength of the N and S permanent Magnets is never reduced. So far I have not seen any one mentioning the fact that the core is a permanent magnet core in the primaries.


Ridiculous ........ you basically stole my idea and now claim it as your own brilliant insight.  ::) ::) ::) I already presented a "shorted coil" and my BIAS coil maintains the magnetic direction......I made that clear in my drawings and posts.

Are you sure your name is not Tito L?? I read a whole lot of ......."I got it"...... but not one ounce of proof.


Your beloved:

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« Last Edit: September 14, 2015, 02:09:49 AM by core »

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« Reply #2523 on: September 13, 2015, 07:56:57 PM »
Hi,
Someone sent me a personal message asking for the data of the electromagnets I had built. Please, note that I had not checked this website since my last post. I will provide the data again in this post, and then may not return to this forum for months. I apologize but I do not have the time to post, so my reply should take some time.

I have built two electromagnets for the Cook’s device. Each electromagnet consists of

CORE
iron steel: 1018,
relative permeability: 2,540
length: 24 inches
Diameter: 2 inches

INNER COIL
length: 22 inches
diameter: 2 inches
turns: 900 single layer of #24 AWG
measured inductance: 10 mH (without outer coil)
This inductance is very different from the calculated values, which are usually larger than 3 H.

OUTER COIL
length: 21 inches
diameter: 2.5 inches
turns: 380 single layer of #16 AWG
measured inductances: 1.09 mH (and 2 mH with inner core-coil assembly)

I will start the tests for this device. A major challenge is to determine how to excite the device. For the excitation, I will also use two electromagnets (shown in picture) located about the mid section.

I have also built a section of the Figuera’s 1908 device. It was a lot of work because I have to cut Silicon steel sheets with scissors. Then, it was the hammering and drilling. See the pictures. The data for the electromagnets are:

‘N’ and ‘S’ electromagnets:
length: 10 inches
width: 1.5 inch
interface surface: 1” x 1.5”
turns: 1,050 multi-layers of #18 AWG

‘Y’ electromagnet:
length: 10 inches
width: 1.5 inch
interface surface: 1” x 1.5”
turns: 709 multi-layers of #16 AWG
Whe 60 Vac was input to one of the side coils, the output in the ‘Y’ coils was 30 Vac. I am working on the driver to generate the two out of phase pulsating DC voltages. It should be ready for tests within a week.

The old coil winder that I bought had really paid off. It has been a time saver, once you have the set up, it is so easy to wind the coils. It was money well spent.

I should be very busy for the next six months. I will not be able to post. However, I am planning on recording the tests data and publish them later.

I should get back to you by next year with the results of the tests on these new prototypes.

Thank you,
Bajac


Bajac

Impressive build!!!!!!!!

I dont have that kind of machinery, mine is being hand built. I look forward to your build.

-Core

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« Reply #2524 on: September 14, 2015, 06:27:57 AM »
Dear Mr. Core;

I have not followed this forum for a long time and I have not studied your ideas. I'm sorry. You can go to some of my earliest posts where I have showed a copper vessel that was magnetised more than iron and I indicated that in the experiments to do that we used shunted coils. That was in 2013. 

2. The inspiration for the shorted coil idea came to me from an old man who was filing patents before your father was probably born. His name is Daniel McFarland Cook and please check his patent filed in 1871 for saturating the core using shorted coils.

3. I'm a Patent Attorney and I live in Chennai, Tamil Nadu India. You can go to google and just type N Ramaswami Patent Attorney and you get all details about me. I'm not aware of the other gentleman whom you have referred in your post.

4. I'm a Lawyer and until February 2013 had no idea of these devices. One of my students indicated that there is no research grant for magnetism in India after 1940s. I was surprised. I asked one of my clients who owns wind mills and his duty is to sign a contract with the bank to purchase the wind mills and award the contract and supply installation and maintenance to the wind turbine companies and there is no knowlege of the technology involved. We have lost millions of jobs and people are suffering and so I decided to test this equipment.

4. The idea of magnetic amplifier and a book on magnetic amplifier was given to me by forum member Doug1 a few months back. I could not understand much of it. I do not know if you have posted before that or after that.

5. In the current series of tests I did the results were conflicting from what we did in 2013. I take guidance from many mentors in India and other countries and the overseas mentors have stipulated that I cannot put pictures videos and construction notes until the device is built by 1o diferent people in 10 different countries and results are checked and validated and are more or less same. My Indian mentors are even more stringent that the device must be run for 24 hours continuously and the results should be analysed and all weaknesses should be found and sorted out. Only after that they would agree to release the information. Of course multiple people here would also verify the results.

6. In the current series the results did not match the results we obtained in 2013. It is only then I was told that I should put up a new earth points but the idea is not satisfactory to me. Once we set the earth it must work continuously for years. So Earth point set up needs to be investigated.

7. One mentor in India directed me to check each one of the rods indepdently. We have found that most of the rods are pure soft iron rods and do not have any residual magnetism. However some rods retain residual magnetism. Some are strong and some are weak. In these rods the magnetic field will never collapse becuause inspite of applying high voltage and high amperage AC these rods remain magnetised. They are not supposed to. So why these rods remain magnetised needs to be investigated.

8. The idea of employing DC to keep the rods substanitally permanent magnets came only after the what I stated in para No. 7. I have discussed with my mentors and one of them was of the opinion that DC and pulsed DC combination can be used. We have not checked it. But I found Figuera used the DC commutator to oscillate the DC to make it undulated DC and then used the resistor array to increase the voltage and reduce the current. I have seen that only when high voltage is applied high output comes.

9. Whatever credit you want to claim, please keep it yourself. But please look at the tile of the topic. It is Reinventing Figuers device. Some technology was available and it was lost and we are all trying to bring it back to life so a lot of employment opportunities can be created to poor people. My understanding was it was an open sourced project done with this idea only.

10. I'm a greatful man. My mentors for whatever reason have barred me from putting up any photos, videos and the like. It is only after I meet the continuous 24 hour operation the mentors in India would allow me to post pictures. It is only after the device is built and tested in 10 different places or 20 different places the mentors in other countries would agree to post pictures and videos and how to construct notes. I'm a greateful man and so I obey them.

11. Please stud the patent of Mr. Cook. You would know that in 1871 he has indicated that shorted coils can be used to increase the magnetism to saturation. I took the idea from him and I apologize that I was not aware of your post. I'm distressed that some how unknowlingly I have caused you to feel hurt but I did not even know it.

12. I do not know the Gentleman by name Tito. If you have some scores to settle with him it is certainly not me. I'm in a mood and inclination to get out of this field as soon as poossible. Nothing more.

13. If in spite of all this. after checking with all concerned, you still feel that you are the first person to propose some thing, please take the credit. I do not stand in your way. Most of what we do has already been done earlier.

14. There is a book called Healing is Voltage selling on Amazon. The Author was accused of taking a wave form from Russian Authors and not giving them credit. He then traced the wave form to a 1845 device that sits in a museum in US and listed that how many times the same wave form is used. Benjamin Franklin is credited with inventing lightening rods. If you go to the wikipedia page it says in a few lines 5000 year old temples in Sri Lanka also carry Lightening rods. So who really inveted them. Credit must be given to Mr Franklin for reinventing a lost technology. This is what we are all here trying to do. It is in this spirit that I work.

I hope that this clears the mist.

Regards,

Ramaswami

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« Reply #2525 on: September 19, 2015, 06:06:32 PM »
Since I posted my theory sometime ago I have been diligently working on a prototype. Its EZ to say how something works and these forums are filled with the "This is how it works" crowd. My theory doesn't exactly fall in line with Figuera's patent however if everything was spelled out in the patent you wouldn't be reading this and I wouldn't of just spent 40 hours building a resonator.

My build is open source, anything I do will get posted here, win or lose, The passion is in creating something from nothing...... thats it. I am not looking to build a FE device, however I am looking to build a better Dynamo.

**** Build pictures located in next Post ****

Some Notes:
I didn't have the machinery to build the core design I originally laid out. I was able to redesign the core shape to provide identical functionality as I laid out. SEE PICTURE 2 of the redesigned core shape made in CAD.

The resonator, shown below in pictures is considered to be 100% complete. It was a pain in the A$$, I wanted something that would be EZ to adjust the magnetic gap but still had to be extremely durable and solid. This was a requirement due to the very small gap I am using. I did not want the magnetic forces to move the work pieces. As I stated I am using the magnetostriction effect to Make and Break a magnetic circuit as outlined in the patents I referenced.

Ultimately I am very happy with the final build of the resonator. I hit every goal I laid out to achieve. The pictures don't do it justice, its extremely durable, strong, and super EZ to work with.


......... Now here is a kicker... The first picture is a quote from the Thomas Edison patent. Stop and think about this for a minute. What if Ol' Thomas is actually the father of FE. What if history, or the controlling powers that be, allowed people to fantasize about Tesla. What if Tesla was used as there distraction. What if the answer can be found in Thomas Edison's patent..... wouldn't it be in plain sight?... right under our noses? YOU DECIDE.


From Edison:


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« Reply #2526 on: September 19, 2015, 06:08:52 PM »
The "CORE Dynamo Resonator"


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« Reply #2527 on: September 19, 2015, 06:10:21 PM »
More pics

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« Reply #2528 on: September 19, 2015, 06:12:18 PM »
FYI...... Everything in the above pictures shaped, cut, molded, spun, hammered by hand.


- Core

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« Reply #2529 on: September 20, 2015, 02:57:19 PM »
Core
"......... Now here is a kicker... The first picture is a quote from the Thomas Edison patent. Stop and think about this for a minute. What if Ol' Thomas is actually the father of FE. What if history, or the controlling powers that be, allowed people to fantasize about Tesla. What if Tesla was used as there distraction. What if the answer can be found in Thomas Edison's patent..... wouldn't it be in plain sight?... right under our noses? YOU DECIDE."

 Interesting theory. Certainly within the realm of possibility. I would remind you that after the worlds fair in the early 1900's it was decided by all the major bankers and leaders that the world would be a society based on industry not agriculture. Soon after the war of the currents started. Tesla may have partnered with those who sought to exploit the electrification of the nations in order to secure his funding and his place in history. Plus he was really pissed at Edison over one of the projects Edison said he pay Tesla XX amount of money if he could find a way to do something which I do not remember what that was exactly. Then Edison told him he was not serious and that Tesla did not understand American sarcasm after Tesla did the work.
  Nice looking build by the way.
Another thing to consider they all learned from the same information sources when they were younger.

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« Reply #2530 on: September 20, 2015, 06:21:54 PM »
Interesting theory. Certainly within the realm of possibility. I would remind you that after the worlds fair in the early 1900's it was decided by all the major bankers and leaders that the world would be a society based on industry not agriculture. Soon after the war of the currents started. Tesla may have partnered with those who sought to exploit the electrification of the nations in order to secure his funding and his place in history. Plus he was really pissed at Edison over one of the projects Edison said he pay Tesla XX amount of money if he could find a way to do something which I do not remember what that was exactly. Then Edison told him he was not serious and that Tesla did not understand American sarcasm after Tesla did the work.
  Nice looking build by the way.
Another thing to consider they all learned from the same information sources when they were younger.

Doug,

Whats interesting is that many people worked for Edison, including Tesla. Edison patented many devices, some of these devices most likely Edison had no creative input. Tesla redesigned his dynamo, I am sure, because Tesla worked for Edison, that Edison patented the redesigned dynamo device under his name and not Tesla.
So its possible that the device I am referencing had no creative input from Edison but was designed by a very creative employee of his. Edison most likely saw it function, as designed, and had the business sense to patent it.

Who knows...... regardless it has given me an avenue of experimentation.


Build update:
Started working on the electronics. I have about another 30 hours of work before I can start tuning the device.

-Core 

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2531 on: September 21, 2015, 01:01:45 AM »
Hello everyone,

I have not followed this forum to much as i have been very busy with life so i have been reading prior post to catch up.

thanks for the pic Hannon very informative.

i was thinking the other day on how to switch Figueras device electronically with out using resistors and this is what i came up with.......Tell me what you think?

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2532 on: September 21, 2015, 10:11:18 AM »
Marathonman,


I hope you are fine. I am glad to see you here again, This is a good sign.


You proposal is fine, at least under my limited knowledge. With a small DC signal you may control the big AC signal fed into one serie of electromagnets throgh a magnetic amplifier.


So far it is fine. The problem is that you need  two unphased signals, one for each serie of electromagnets (N and S). The problem is again how to get both unphased signals and tune them in the proper way . I already thought about Mag Amp for this subject but I could not solve properldy how to get the second signal. After many hours I gave up and I thought that maybe it was better the mechanical system even if it has many losses in the resistors. This is like a no-end road because I had not enough skills to build th mechanical conmmutator so I got stucked in this point


Core,


Your device looks great. I hope you the best, even if it is not pure Figuera´s design. You proposal of switching sequence and shorted coils were not part of any Figuera´s patent. You quote from Thomas Edison patent No.  US 434586 is curious, although I think that that does not means a selfpowering device. It is like many generators where some internal field electrmagnets are powered by part of the electrical output after the start-up. But these are not self-powering generators, because they rely on an external source to move the rotor


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2533 on: September 21, 2015, 03:48:12 PM »
Marathonman
  You dont need the bridge rectifier use center tap coils as magnetic diodes. Ref Tesla pat title Dc currents from AC and work the principal into your design. If your dc input is equal to the winding output if run as a secondary then the battery will match half the ac cycle and cancel out half the cycle enabling it to be split. If the battery runs low the cancelled half will feed forward charge into the battery to keep it charged. The sequence of turning on the inverter will be tricky because when you force voltage into the output side it will fry if you have no isolation between the dc input to mag amp and AC output of the inverter. If you short out the dc input of the mag amp and add a capacitor + a dump load like light bulb to tell you when the dc is present you might be able to work it out. It seems a bit Rube Goulburg"ish to me but maybe it will work. There is also a residual charge left in the inverter even when turned off I have no idea what effect it will have when the unit is turned off and on repeatedly. You might want to add a switch between the AC output of the inverter and everything ells.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2534 on: September 21, 2015, 04:08:11 PM »
Roughly like this.