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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 11840195 times)

Void

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18720 on: December 17, 2017, 10:50:21 PM »
Thanks for that peper. However, I dont understand why the two outputs are in some way special. Please give more detail.


Hi Hoppy. At this point it seems very unlikely peper10 will be able to actually demonstrate anything
out of the ordinary or even provide anything new that isn't already quite obvious from Nelson's schematic.
Nelson may possibly have had some unusual effect going on with that circuit setup, but all indications are peper10
has just been talking through his hat and pointing out things that are already obvious from the schematic.  :)

All the best...

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18721 on: December 17, 2017, 10:57:59 PM »
My enhanced  PWM version for arduino (see previous Plaxius post)

A0 and A1 pots for Duty cycles 1 and 2
A3 pot for fine frequency
A2 pot for coarse frequency
A4 and A5  3 positions rotary switch for 3 frequency ranges
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//Pgm Timing vars
unsigned long previousMillis = 0; // will store last time valuse measured
unsigned long interval = 20; // interval at which to Measure values (milliseconds)
unsigned long currentMillis = 0;
long Fine, Frequency ;

//pwm vars
unsigned pwm1; // Value read from A0 to give PWM duty cycle output in terms of 0-5V
unsigned pwm2;// Value read from A1 to give PWM duty cycle output in terms of 0-5V

void setup()
{
//Set up PWM
  pinMode(9, OUTPUT);
  pinMode(10, OUTPUT);
  pinMode(A0, INPUT);
  pinMode(A1, INPUT);
  pinMode(A2, INPUT);
  pinMode(A3, INPUT);
  pinMode(A4, INPUT_PULLUP);
  pinMode(A5, INPUT_PULLUP);

// clock 1/1
  CLKPR = 128;
  CLKPR = 0;

//phase/frequency correct mode. SELECT THIS FOR INVERTED OUTPUTS.
  TCCR1A = _BV(COM1A1) | _BV(COM1B1) | _BV(COM1B0) ;
}

void loop()
{
 unsigned long currentMillis = millis();
 if (currentMillis - previousMillis >= interval)
  {
   previousMillis = currentMillis;

   Fine = analogRead(A2);
   Frequency = analogRead(A3);

   if (bitRead(PINC,4) == 0) // switch RANGE closed ?
    {
     TCCR1B = _BV(WGM13) | _BV(CS10) ;  /// clock 1 = high range
     ICR1 = Frequency + Fine / 10 ;
    }

   if (bitRead(PINC,5) == 0)
    {
    TCCR1B = _BV(WGM13) | _BV(CS10) | _BV(CS11); // clock 1/64 = mid range
     ICR1 = Frequency + Fine / 10 ;
    }

   if (bitRead(PINC,4) == 1 && (bitRead(PINC,5) == 1))
    {
     TCCR1B = _BV(WGM13) | _BV(CS10) | _BV(CS12);  // clock 1/1024 = low range
     ICR1 = Frequency * 10 + Fine ;
    }

   if (ICR1<= 1)
    {
     ICR1= 2;
    }
 
   pwm1 = analogRead(A0); // read duty from A0 for PWM 1
   pwm2 = analogRead(A1); // read duty from A2 for PWM 2

   OCR1A  = map(pwm1,0,1023,0,ICR1); // map the duty cycle to the available steps
   OCR1B  = map(pwm2,0,1023,0,ICR1); //map the duty cycle to the available steps

  }
}

Hoppy

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18722 on: December 17, 2017, 11:31:31 PM »


Hi Hoppy. At this point it seems very unlikely peper10 will be able to actually demonstrate anything
out of the ordinary or even provide anything new that isn't already quite obvious from Nelson's schematic.
Nelson may possibly have had some unusual effect going on with that circuit setup, but all indications are peper10
has just been talking through his hat and pointing out things that are already obvious from the schematic.  :)

All the best...

Hi Void,

I'm hoping that that pepper can at least give us a technical explanation of why he thinks the modified JT circuit is special, rather than just an unconventional JT design.

peper10

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18723 on: December 17, 2017, 11:37:59 PM »

Hi peper10. There is a very big difference between speculating and being able to actually
demonstrate something that is really out of the ordinary (i.e., something which really appears to possibly be OU).
I asked you directly previously if you have built a circuit which you think shows anything unusual
going on, and you ignored my question. Everyone has ideas and opinions, but it is quite another
thing to put those ideas to the test and be able to demonstrate something that really appears to
possibly be COP > 1.

You have been jumping all over people here complaining that they won't blindly accept that you
know how to achieve OU based on one of Nelson's circuit designs, but it appears that you have not
even made a test setup yet to put your ideas to the actual test. ;) These forums often get people who
claim to have it all figured out, but the reality is the vast majority of them can't demonstrate a circuit or
device or anything else which in any way backs up what they are claiming. :)

Peper10, frankly, your random capitalization of words in several of your comments here, your claims of
being persecuted here, and your insistence that you have it all figured out when in reality it appears you
haven't built any test setups which can demonstrate anything out of the ordinary does not bode well.   :o

If you have a test setup  that you think demonstrates something out of the ordinary in regards to OU
then show it, otherwise all reasonable people here will know you are just speculating without actually
having put anything to the test. Please stop all the bizarre and unfounded accusations and either
demonstrate a circuit that shows something unusual going on, or admit you you are just talking
though your hat. Do I expect that to actually happen? It seems highly unlikely given how you have been
acting here, but I think it never hurts to give the benefit of the doubt and to ask nicely ... ;D


BTW Nick, a 'joule thief' and 'SEC exciter' are variations of blocking oscillators, and the circuit diagram
of Nelson's posted here is definitely a type of blocking oscillator, very similar to 'joule thief' and
'SEC exciter' circuits. How power may be taken off such a circuit or how a load is connected doesn't change
the fact that it is a blocking oscillator circuit at its core.

All the best...


Hi VOID!!  I dont point fingers at anyone but find funny that I respond to Hoppy and you take the lead and put the BURDEN on me to prouve...
That being said, for a miner like me and jump in a discussion that has NO VENUE for at least consider the idea, it is troubling somehow because all the great minds on here DONT EVEN TRY to give solid explanation of WHY NOT>>> or invalidate the idea...   My skills are limited as a miner by trade, but now I envisage to exchange with people CONSIDERING of just listening and thinking if my claim can be possible...  I perfectly know that the best way to prouve it is TO MYSELF...  I guess I took the wrong road to get to this goal in sharing before any validations were made but if I look at Nelson experiment, it seems like even prouved to yourself will not made the cut here...
No hard feeling, just my taught..  HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY!

Void

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18724 on: December 18, 2017, 12:14:56 AM »
Hi peper10, the problem is not at all that you were sharing some ideas, but the
problem is that you are making claims and getting upset because people were asking
for some clarification and that sort of thing, and insisting that you know much more than people here
even though it seems you haven't even put these things to the actual test. :)

Some people here including myself have put long hours in on the test bench over the last many years
putting many things to the test, and therefore are aware that it is not so easy at all to achieve a true COP > 1
that can really hold up to the test. That is not to say that achieving a COP > 1 would have to be
a complicated setup, as for example Kapanadze's setup doesn't seem too complicated if it is genuine,
but if it were relatively easy to achieve COP > 1 then many people would have achieved it by now,
as many people are trying. People talk about thinking outside of the box, but it is not really so easy
to do in practice I think. Some people may possibly have had true OU occurring on the test bench right in
front of them, but because of their preconceptions and mental filters, etc.  they were not able to recognize it.
IMO, 'OU' is not such an easy thing to achieve, or even be able to get a handle on even if it may be occurring right in
front of you when you are actually sitting at the bench doing testing. :)

All the best...

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18725 on: December 18, 2017, 12:34:27 AM »

Hi peper10. There is a very big difference between speculating and being able to actually
demonstrate something that is really out of the ordinary (i.e., something which really appears to possibly be OU).

If you have a test setup  that you think demonstrates something out of the ordinary in regards to OU
then show it, otherwise all reasonable people here will know you are just speculating without actually
having put anything to the test. Please stop all the bizarre and unfounded accusations and either
demonstrate a circuit that shows something unusual going on, or admit you you are just talking
though your hat. Do I expect that to actually happen? It seems highly unlikely given how you have been
acting here, but I think it never hurts to give the benefit of the doubt and to ask nicely ... ;D


BTW Nick, a 'joule thief' and 'SEC exciter' are variations of blocking oscillators, and the circuit diagram
of Nelson's posted here is definitely a type of blocking oscillator, very similar to 'joule thief' and
'SEC exciter' circuits. How power may be taken off such a circuit or how a load is connected doesn't change
the fact that it is a blocking oscillator circuit at its core.

All the best...


To my defence,you could say that it is hard for me to be listened at ,if the counter part at the other end of the discussion, is not even understanding the basic function of the system...  Not to be hard on anyone but make sure my point of view is not distorted...

peper10

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18726 on: December 18, 2017, 12:58:32 AM »

Hi Void,

I'm hoping that that pepper can at least give us a technical explanation of why he thinks the modified JT circuit is special, rather than just an unconventional JT design.


Hoppy!!  I`m more than glad to try to give you my best shot at explanation but a will rather refer to a great experimenter that I discover and he has the best EFFECT THAT CAN BE SIMILAR TO NELSON`S SECONDARY ...   Just forget the front circuit and let`s concentrate on the output coil made  with the same arrangement as the video describe...  If this is INCONPLETE info for you, I will try my best a second time..  CHEERS!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbpso7zAlvU

AlienGrey

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18727 on: December 18, 2017, 01:09:32 AM »
did any one notice TK's comment on his post ?


By the way, it is a myth that Nelson has any kind of self-running overunity device. He does not.

Oh shock horror  :'( :-\

Does this mean the energy is made up of mixing energy of current with high voltage modulation ?

I you read Thomas Henry Morays publication he describes using large battery's to start the device.

If you look into some of Nelsons early devices you might notice some of these techniques used.

Allen

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18728 on: December 18, 2017, 01:16:52 AM »

did any one notice TK's comment on his post ?


By the way, it is a myth that Nelson has any kind of self-running overunity device. He does not.

Oh shock horror  :'( :-\

Does this mean the energy is made up of mixing energy of current with high voltage modulation ?

I you read Thomas Henry Morays publication he describes using large battery's to start the device.

If you look into some of Nelsons early devices you might notice some of these techniques used.

Allen


I completely agree with you on everything....   Especially on the energy being a MIX of current and high voltage modulation...
Thanks for the input on TK`S comment and post..

NickZ

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18729 on: December 18, 2017, 01:26:21 AM »
  Hoppy, Void, and all.
  Talk about waisting time and effort.  i' m done with this guy.
   I called his bluff, he ignores me.
   So, I'll ignore him too.
  Sorry, but... Well, you know... Tried to be nice.

cheappower2012

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18730 on: December 18, 2017, 01:52:06 AM »
Is nelsons devices fake maybe/maybe not its a 50/50,the one using the torrid device
and powering a load,with feedback could be real.Nelson will not answer questions but
says there all wrong(basic electronic  theory) even simple questions he won't answer,of course its hes bread and butter,he is not going to give anyone the answer.He does give enough information on two torrid video's to get an idea
how to replicate it,we know it operates at 5khz.How it generates additional current for
self run is unknown.A more basic question is if he has created a self running device with an output of at least 500 watts,why is it not for sale right now.Is it too simple that people will simply reverse engineer it and steal it or is it fake.

peper10

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18731 on: December 18, 2017, 01:59:35 AM »

Is nelsons devices fake maybe/maybe not its a 50/50,the one using the torrid device
and powering a load,with feedback could be real.Nelson will not answer questions but
says there all wrong(basic electronic  theory) even simple questions he won't answer,of course its hes bread and butter,he is not going to give anyone the answer.He does give enough information on two torrid video's to get an idea
how to replicate it,we know it operates at 5khz.How it generates additional current for
self run is unknown.A more basic question is if he has created a self running device with an output of at least 500 watts,why is it not for sale right now.Is it too simple that people will simply reverse engineer it and steal it or is it fake.




Very good point!!  Let`s us put in Nelson`s shoes for a minute and the outcome is obvious...  He was not the only one to mislead the replicators..
Let`s collect the huge potential of this forum to ELUDE the mistery surrounding the feedback and then figure a way to TAP the high voltage side to do work...CHEERS

Void

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18732 on: December 18, 2017, 02:19:46 AM »
To my defence,you could say that it is hard for me to be listened at ,if the counter part at the other end of the discussion, is not even understanding the basic function of the system...  Not to be hard on anyone but make sure my point of view is not distorted...

There you go again insisting that people don't understand, when in reality you know little to
nothing about what sort of understanding any given person here may have and what sort of
actual hands on experience they have. :) Instead of insisting that no one knows what you 'know',
I suggest building an actual test circuit and do some serious testing with it first, and then, if you find
something that you think is interesting, if you provide details here in this forum some people here
would probably be willing to give you some feed back on it.

The bottom line is that when it comes to OU, ideas can only take you so far. You absolutely must
build a test setup and put those ideas to the test if you want any real hope of seeing if something
really might be COP > 1 or not. Sorry, but for someone to claim they know how to get COP > 1 out
of an electronic circuit  (I am not talking about heat pumps here. :) ) when that person can't demonstrate
anything to back it up with an actual test setup doesn't make much sense to me. 

OU is obviously not something that is so easy to achieve or most of us would have achieved it by now. :)
When it comes to OU you have to put things to the test with actual physical test setups if you want to be
able to see if your ideas have any true merit or not. Sharing ideas is great, but it can only take you so far.
Unless a person can prove COP > 1 with an actual physical test setup then I think they can't reasonably
say they 'know' how to achieve OU.

All the best...

Void

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18733 on: December 18, 2017, 02:44:18 AM »
...
of course its hes bread and butter,he is not going to give anyone the answer.

Hi cheappower2012. I think the reality is that, despite what anyone may say here, many people
would probably just stop posting here or at least not provide any further details the moment they think
they have achieved a real COP > 1 setup. ;)  It wouldn't be the first time this has happened anyway. :)
I am not passing judgement on this at all, as it does take a lot of work and time and expense doing all this sort
of experimentation, and many people will not likely want to just hand over to others the results of many hours and years
of hard work and personal expense without some sort of compensation. Many people probably
would not even be satisfied with some sort of basic compensation for all their time and expenses, but would
want to try to get very rich off it, even if the device they have come up with is based closely on other people's
work or inventions. That is I think the reality of the situation. Right or wrong, I think it is human nature. ;D 
We all have to put bread on the table. :)

All the best...

Void

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #18734 on: December 18, 2017, 03:51:25 AM »
  Hoppy, Void, and all.
  Talk about waisting time and effort.  i' m done with this guy.
   I called his bluff, he ignores me.
   So, I'll ignore him too.
  Sorry, but... Well, you know... Tried to be nice.


Hi Nick. Yeah. I think it's pretty much as Hoppy says. You can't take things too seriously in these
forums if you want to keep your sanity.  ;)

On another note, I had some bad luck yesterday. I was testing a circuit setup that was charging up
a 10nF cap to around 7.5kV  and discharging through a spark gap, and I had a momentary lapse of good judgement
and disconnected the earth ground wire from my 1000X high voltage scope probe ground lead so I could
connect the earth ground wire to another point in the circuit, and the high voltage scope probe's tip was still connected to the
high voltage capacitor. Something immediately blew out in the driver circuit for my scope's display.  :'(
The scope display just barely shows anything now. Seems to be something to do with the circuitry that
controls the display's brightness that blew out, or maybe the display itself was damaged. There could be some other damage as well.

That was a dumb move on my part, but comes with the territory of working with very high voltage circuits I suppose. ;D
A bit of a set back, but I do have an old PC based scope that I might be able to use instead for
the time being, but I am not sure if the software for it will work in Windows 10 or not. I'll have to
try it out. :)

All the best...