Author Topic: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented? (Read 37820 times)

evolvingape · « **Reply #15 on:** September 09, 2011, 11:50:54 PM »

Quote from: Justsomeguy on September 09, 2011, 08:46:04 PM

The multi-level idea is good, but it wouldn't work. The whole weakest link thing. I'm sure that all the "give it away" and save "the children" people are too busy shipping food to comment more. I'm also sure they all work for free and are self sustaining to the point of not needing money anymore.( I am involved with Peacework Medical. check out their site.)
However, I still wish to be paid for my work. I also want to continue my work in other areas. So I am still asking for suggestions. Thank you for all the replies so far.

All that time thinking about how to get out of a morality issue and you came up with that ?

Your right the â€œmulti-level whole weakest linkâ€ thing would not work, just a single person breaking the accord would mean you lose control, and you cannot have that now can you...

Contrary to your beliefs I am not too busy â€œshipping food to save the childrenâ€ to comment further, which will probably upset you.

Shipping food to deprived regions to sustain life only sustains suffering, keeps them alive a little longer to suffer more... it does not solve the root cause of the problem, only creates a dependency that deprives the suffering communities of standing on their own two feet and providing for themselves.

â€œGive a man a fish he eats for a day... Teach a man to fish he eats forever...â€

Also contrary to your beliefs I do work for free, in fact I would be willing to wager that I work far harder to make the world a better place â€œfor the childrenâ€ than you do. I am also not self sustaining from a monetary perspective, in fact I am relatively poor in the country where I live. I work a day job to survive, and I work in my own time for a better future for the world's children not just my own.

Do not attempt to side step your initial comments...

You stated your desire is to become disgustingly wealthy, and not that you simply wish to earn a decent living from your work. I would not personally object to you earning a living off your invention if you also used it to open source the technology and make the field cooperative, creating the potential for real change.

If your going to have another pop at me... I advise you to do your research in advance next time to avoid looking silly... and also to not defend an indefensible position...

On a parting note what is your hourly rate ?

22,000 children / day

24 hours in a day

22,000 / 24 = 916 children / hour

Whatever your hourly rate is, that is the $ value you place on 916 children's LIVES

This of course assumes that you work 24 hours a day... if you take time out then the ratio will change... unfavourably for you...

RM

P.S... Some say that eyes are the windows into the Soul... how is that mirror gazing going ?

ramset · « **Reply #16 on:** September 10, 2011, 01:17:24 AM »

RM
Some folks just can't see it,they really don't "get it".
They can't see past their own nose to even see the guy in the mirror?

I agree with you 100% to have a tech like this and put a price on it,adds up to Genocide in my Book!

Not good ...............
Chet

Low-Q · « **Reply #17 on:** September 10, 2011, 01:32:50 AM »

Quote from: Justsomeguy on September 09, 2011, 07:49:20 AM

Say that you have discovered a previously unknown property of a substance that allows you to prove overunity beyond any doubt. Repeatable and reproducible by anyone. You have used different materials, meters, gauges, and even multiple locations to rule out outside influences (I used to be a metrologist, I ran a materials testing lab, And process engineering for a major corp. trust me). Also assume that with such a breakthrough that you would like to become disgustingly wealthy. You are familiar with the laws of thermodynamics, but you also can see it with you own eyes and hold it in your hands. No input required. It just works. Linear or rotational and output is measured with "work"- force over distance.
Now you start researching patents and find out that you can't protect it. How do you make Billions from it? JREF has a million dollar prize. There are some X prizes and some oil guy. But how do you make real money with it?
I would really like some ideas.

1. I do think you would get into trouble.
2. I also think you will not be rich.
3. Not only you, but all your friends, family/relatives who knows who you are, will also be a threat to the big companies.

Advice: Go open source. You will not be rich, but your wallet doesn't have to worry about power bills anymore.

Btw. Good point RM!

Vidar

WilbyInebriated · « **Reply #18 on:** September 10, 2011, 02:44:52 AM »

Quote from: Justsomeguy on September 09, 2011, 07:49:20 AM

Say that you have discovered a previously unknown property of a substance that allows you to prove overunity beyond any doubt. Repeatable and reproducible by anyone. You have used different materials, meters, gauges, and even multiple locations to rule out outside influences (I used to be a metrologist, I ran a materials testing lab, And process engineering for a major corp. trust me). Also assume that with such a breakthrough that you would like to become disgustingly wealthy. You are familiar with the laws of thermodynamics, but you also can see it with you own eyes and hold it in your hands. No input required. It just works. Linear or rotational and output is measured with "work"- force over distance.
Now you start researching patents and find out that you can't protect it. How do you make Billions from it? JREF has a million dollar prize. There are some X prizes and some oil guy. But how do you make real money with it?
I would really like some ideas.

i have some great ideas! but they cost a lot of money (millions - had you come here with something to open-source the ideas would've been free) as i would like to become disgustingly wealthy.

other than that, my only idea for you would be to hire a brilliant marketing agent. i hear steve jobs isn't so busy anymore...

never mind the 'save the children' noise. that's all it is... noise. someone else trying to make you responsible for a problem that is not yours. 22,000 kids died... and how is that your responsibility? were they your kids?

the ape should evolve and do something to make the parents of those children responsible instead of trying to stop world hunger by serving up guilt sandwiches on a forum...

onthecuttingedge2005 · « **Reply #19 on:** September 10, 2011, 04:31:55 AM »

not one cent is received, it redirected to arms dealers for weapons.
how do u like that s h i t.

evolvingape · « **Reply #20 on:** September 10, 2011, 04:45:08 AM »

Oh dear Wilby...

Your history of providing valuable ideas free of charge to proponents of open source material is legendary in this community... 2258 posts to date... please point us towards the ones of note...

Noise ? Noise ? Children dying is classified by you as Noise ?

It is my belief that every soul present on this planet at this time is responsible for every other soul...

Clearly you have stated that if it is not your direct offspring you bear no responsibility for the safekeeping of anothers child... that is an incredibly powerful statement of intent!

If it is not your child, the responsibility is not yours, and it is ok to let them die ? Even when you have a device in your possession that would solve the survival needs of the family unit ??

Wow...

Did you really say that ?

You do not understand the significance and importance of an easily replicable overunity device... Is that what you are declaring loud and clear to this forum ?

Pretty enlightening stuff...

I always imagined the end for you being much more graceful than a self inflicted wound... we live and learn...

You have stated for the record that you care not for your neighbours child, and would happily watch them die, as it is not your responsibility to attempt to save them...

Alas poor Wilby... I fear your credibility has been dealt a mortal blow by your own hand...

RM

Justsomeguy · « **Reply #21 on:** September 10, 2011, 05:46:25 AM »

I actually do understand the significance of it. Anywhere could become habitable and productive. An ion drive would be useful. carbon footprints would go away. In Thirty years or so oil would be primarily a lubricant. And people will still be dying at the same rate for another hundred years. People will still live in shanty towns, mud huts etc....
Greece may default by tuesday,Germany will follow, the dollar index will go up, metals should pull back. The market will drop on monday and rally back by the end of the week. So what. It is easy to say what you would do hypothetically. But, If you were holding a winning lottery ticket, I bet you would cash it in.

WilbyInebriated · « **Reply #22 on:** September 10, 2011, 06:34:10 AM »

Quote from: evolvingape on September 10, 2011, 04:45:08 AM

Oh dear Wilby...

Your history of providing valuable ideas free of charge to proponents of open source material is legendary in this community... 2258 posts to date... please point us towards the ones of note...

my 'history' is irrelevant... try another logical fallacy.

Quote from: evolvingape on September 10, 2011, 04:45:08 AM

Noise ? Noise ? Children dying is classified by you as Noise ?

yes, yes. no, your logical fallacies are noise... ie: your implication that he would be responsible for 22,000 children dying per day.

Quote from: evolvingape on September 10, 2011, 04:45:08 AM

It is my belief that every soul present on this planet at this time is responsible for every other soul...

you can believe whatever you want. that doesn't make it so.

Quote from: evolvingape on September 10, 2011, 04:45:08 AM

Clearly you have stated that if it is not your direct offspring you bear no responsibility for the safekeeping of anothers child... that is an incredibly powerful statement of intent!

indeed.

Quote from: evolvingape on September 10, 2011, 04:45:08 AM

If it is not your child, the responsibility is not yours, and it is ok to let them die ? Even when you have a device in your possession that would solve the survival needs of the family unit ??

not my problem. but since you seem to care so much why is it that you have devices in your possession (medicines, money, etc.) right now that could save lives... and why are you being so greedy and keeping them?

Quote from: evolvingape on September 10, 2011, 04:45:08 AM

Wow...

indeed.

Quote from: evolvingape on September 10, 2011, 04:45:08 AM

Did you really say that ?

no. check your reading skills and comprehension...

i said this: "i have some great ideas! but they cost a lot of money (millions - had you come here with something to open-source the ideas would've been free) as i would like to become disgustingly wealthy.

other than that, my only idea for you would be to hire a brilliant marketing agent. i hear steve jobs isn't so busy anymore...

never mind the 'save the children' noise. that's all it is... noise. someone else trying to make you responsible for a problem that is not yours. 22,000 kids died... and how is that your responsibility? were they your kids?

the ape should evolve and do something to make the parents of those children responsible instead of trying to stop world hunger by serving up guilt sandwiches on a forum...

"

Quote from: evolvingape on September 10, 2011, 04:45:08 AM

You do not understand the significance and importance of an easily replicable overunity device... Is that what you are declaring loud and clear to this forum ?

no. and stop with the gross hyperbole, i said no such thing nor implied anything of the sort.

Quote from: evolvingape on September 10, 2011, 04:45:08 AM

Pretty enlightening stuff...

wow... your logical fallacies really take you to some self righteous places don't they...

Quote from: evolvingape on September 10, 2011, 04:45:08 AM

I always imagined the end for you being much more graceful than a self inflicted wound... we live and learn...

imagine on...

Quote from: evolvingape on September 10, 2011, 04:45:08 AM

You have stated for the record that you care not for your neighbours child, and would happily watch them die, as it is not your responsibility to attempt to save them...

liar. i have said no such thing. please provide a quote of where i said "i care not for my neighbors child". please provide a quote of where i said i would "happily watch them die". it is not my responsibility to save anyone.

Quote from: evolvingape on September 10, 2011, 04:45:08 AM

Alas poor Wilby... I fear your credibility has been dealt a mortal blow by your own hand...

RM

try a cogent argument next time...

lumen · « **Reply #23 on:** September 10, 2011, 06:54:16 AM »

I have given this concept some thought a while back and could find only one real answer to turn such a discovery into wealth.
First a patent would be of no value because the magnitude of the discovery would be worth more than everything patented to this point in history so you could bet some law would change and they would make your discovery freeware (so to speak).The value is to high for a single entity to control.

Given this problem, I figured the fastest way to turn it to money is also the easiest. Simply make 100,000 small scale models of the working device and sell them with plans on how it operates and how to build a large up scale model on Ebay for 100 each.

Once the market is flooded, it would be game on and you would surly have sold 50 to 80 thousand models with plans, at $100. each.

Not a huge amount of money, but easy, fast and unstoppable. Plus, in the end with the device in the masses, Money would end up useless. (People will be throwing their money in the streets) I think the phrase goes.

Low-Q · « **Reply #24 on:** September 10, 2011, 09:31:32 AM »

Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on September 10, 2011, 04:31:55 AM

not one cent is received, it redirected to arms dealers for weapons.
how do u like that s h i t.

It really is shit. If someone think the oil is the biggest business in this world, it is not. The biggest business is drugs. On the 2.nd place - weapons. Far behind that, on the 3.rd place - oil.

Weapons is big business. Litterally speaking: Where there is any chance of getting money, it is primarily used for drugs and weapons. The business of this world really sucks...

e2matrix · « **Reply #25 on:** September 10, 2011, 05:39:22 PM »

Quote from: lumen on September 10, 2011, 06:54:16 AM

I have given this concept some thought a while back and could find only one real answer to turn such a discovery into wealth.
First a patent would be of no value because the magnitude of the discovery would be worth more than everything patented to this point in history so you could bet some law would change and they would make your discovery freeware (so to speak).The value is to high for a single entity to control.

Given this problem, I figured the fastest way to turn it to money is also the easiest. Simply make 100,000 small scale models of the working device and sell them with plans on how it operates and how to build a large up scale model on Ebay for 100 each.

Once the market is flooded, it would be game on and you would surly have sold 50 to 80 thousand models with plans, at $100. each.

Not a huge amount of money, but easy, fast and unstoppable. Plus, in the end with the device in the masses, Money would end up useless. (People will be throwing their money in the streets) I think the phrase goes.

Might work and I sure would consider $10 Million a huge amount of money.

mikestocks2006 · « **Reply #26 on:** September 10, 2011, 07:39:01 PM »

Just a couple of things ( of many more ), to consider.
To manufacture, for example, 100 thousand units may not be an easy task.
The seller needs to consider raw materials purchase, manufacturing of parts and assembly, and of course all involved time costs.
Time costs include everything from time to order parts, interface with the machine shop, assemble them, set up/maintain website, process orders, shipments, follow-ups etcâ€¦
How long does it take to put a unit together and how much do the materials, parts assembly cost per unit? How many units will be produced per day?
Then what is the profit per unit?
For such volumes, one may need a small assembly line and few people to work etc. These people will want to get paid, so at least some sizeable starting investment capital needs to be had and so on.
Maybe a device can be extremely simple and most of the above are minimizedâ€¦

Interesting thread.
Thanks
Mike

evolvingape · « **Reply #27 on:** September 10, 2011, 10:56:00 PM »

Wilby your history is not irrelevant, although I am sure you would like it to be, in my opinion you are the most prolific troll that has ever appeared on this forum.

The logical fallacy argument is one you trot out far to often, only occasionally do you bother to explain why you consider the argument to be fallacious.

My implication that he would be responsible for 22,000 children dying per day is not a logical fallacy, by the very pursuit and attainment of a free energy device the inventor has made himself ethically responsible, by achieving the ability to effect real change in this regard he has presented himself with a choice, and therefore a responsibility.

I said you do not understand the significance and importance of an easily replicable overunity device. This is not gross hyperbole, you implied this when you said 22,000 kids died and how is that your responsibility ?

To suggest that an individual gives away every asset he owns is ridiculous. To do so would barely make a dent in the problem and would prevent a stable base from which to address the root of the problem, which is the control of energy.

I was in error when I said you stated you care not for your neighbours child and would happily watch them die, it would have been more accurate to say that it was my interpretation of what you said. Considering your selfish attitude I do not think I was far from the truth.

So what is your purpose on this forum ? Why do you stalk the threads like a predator waiting for an opportunity to attack people via the manipulation of language ?

RM

evolvingape · « **Reply #28 on:** September 10, 2011, 11:07:00 PM »

Quote from: Justsomeguy on September 10, 2011, 05:46:25 AM

I actually do understand the significance of it. Anywhere could become habitable and productive. An ion drive would be useful. carbon footprints would go away. In Thirty years or so oil would be primarily a lubricant. And people will still be dying at the same rate for another hundred years. People will still live in shanty towns, mud huts etc....
Greece may default by tuesday,Germany will follow, the dollar index will go up, metals should pull back. The market will drop on monday and rally back by the end of the week. So what. It is easy to say what you would do hypothetically. But, If you were holding a winning lottery ticket, I bet you would cash it in.

So, anywhere could become habitable and productive, removing the issue of basic survival for everyone and therefore saving millions of lives... but people will still be dying at the same rate for another hundred years ? I think not.

An overunity device is not a winning lottery ticket. One will alter the structure of our society on this planet, the other will enrich an individual beyond what they require for survival.

RM

Shadesz · « **Reply #29 on:** September 10, 2011, 11:57:57 PM »

Quote from: Low-Q on September 10, 2011, 09:31:32 AM

It really is shit. If someone think the oil is the biggest business in this world, it is not. The biggest business is drugs. On the 2.nd place - weapons. Far behind that, on the 3.rd place - oil.

Weapons is big business. Litterally speaking: Where there is any chance of getting money, it is primarily used for drugs and weapons. The business of this world really sucks...

I understand and appreciate what you are saying. Although, if you think about it, one of the main motivators for the number one and two markets you describe is suppression.

For weapons, think war or turf. Well, war usually occurs as a result of greed for resources. So with a free energy device, there will be less need for current high price resources thus less need for violent confrontation.

Second drugs. If you are thinking illegal drugs most people resort to them to escape the pressures of society. If you crush the $$ control over energy, there will be less pressure on people (in the end) and thus less need for an escape. If you are talking medicine, well I can think of many many things burning all around me that are known carcinogens. (think tailpipe)

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