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Author Topic: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?  (Read 37409 times)

WilbyInebriated

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Re: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?
« Reply #30 on: September 11, 2011, 01:01:49 AM »
Wilby your history is not irrelevant, although I am sure you would like it to be, in my opinion you are the most prolific troll that has ever appeared on this forum.
my history is irrelevant. were are not talking about what i am doing... we are talking about what justsomeguy is doing. thus any mention of my history is either an attempt to misdirect (red herring) or ad hominem tu quo que... why don't you go familiarize yourself with the basic fallacies?

The logical fallacy argument is one you trot out far to often, only occasionally do you bother to explain why you consider the argument to be fallacious.
not my fault hardly anyone here knows what a cogent argument is...  ::) i get tired of explaining why something is a fallacy only to see it repeated again and again and again... now why don't you go to nizkor.org and learn what the various fallacies are  so i don't have to hold your hand and step you through a cogent argument... ::)

My implication that he would be responsible for 22,000 children dying per day is not a logical fallacy, by the very pursuit and attainment of a free energy device the inventor has made himself ethically responsible, by achieving the ability to effect real change in this regard he has presented himself with a choice, and therefore a responsibility.
yes, it is... it does not follow... non sequitur, which all fallacies are. just because you "feel", "believe" or whatever... doesn't make it so. he is NOT responsible regardless of whatever your moral compass "believes"... tu stultus es... furthermore, "ethics" are subjective... again, tu stultus es. ::)

I said you do not understand the significance and importance of an easily replicable overunity device. This is not gross hyperbole, you implied this when you said 22,000 kids died and how is that your responsibility ?
yes it is gross hyperbole. i understand the significance of unlimited energy for every man, woman, child as well as you do. to suggest i don't simply because i don't agree with your little 'morality issue' is asinine. the hyperbole was demonstrated by you with your gross exaggerations and misrepresentations of what i actually said.

To suggest that an individual gives away every asset he owns is ridiculous. To do so would barely make a dent in the problem and would prevent a stable base from which to address the root of the problem, which is the control of energy.
you have no evidence that it would barely make a dent. i never suggested that an individual "give away everything" can you provide a quote of where i said that? no you cannot. you are simply engaging in more of your hyperbole and misrepresentation! here is what is ridiculous... to suggest that i am responsible for someone else. ::)

I was in error when I said you stated you care not for your neighbours child and would happily watch them die, it would have been more accurate to say that it was my interpretation of what you said. Considering your selfish attitude I do not think I was far from the truth.
yeah you were in error. that was another example of your gross hyperbole. think what you want. you don't know me son...

So what is your purpose on this forum ? Why do you stalk the threads like a predator waiting for an opportunity to attack people via the manipulation of language ?

RM :)
my purpose is irrelevant to the topic at hand... but since you love your logical fallacies i'll tell you...  i'm the logic police. ::) and if you are engaging in logical fallacy you'll probably hear from me. more so if you are self-righteous or presenting yourself as an 'expert' or 'authority'.

i can play your fallacy game too... what is your purpose? to come here and attack anyone who doesn't agree with your opinion? to call those who don't agree with you trolls? are you the spawn of omnibus?

WilbyInebriated

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Re: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?
« Reply #31 on: September 11, 2011, 01:20:18 AM »
An overunity device is not a winning lottery ticket. One will alter the structure of our society on this planet, the other will enrich an individual beyond what they require for survival.

RM :)
assumption... you have no evidence to support this statement.

Qwert

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Re: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?
« Reply #32 on: September 11, 2011, 02:15:14 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Cassette
"Although there were other magnetic tape cartridge systems, the Compact Cassette became dominant as a result of Philips' decision in the face of pressure from Sony to license the format free of charge. Philips also released the Norelco Carry-Corder 150 recorder/player in the U.S. in November 1964. By 1966 over 250,000 recorders had been sold in the US alone and Japan soon became the major source of recorders. By 1968, 85 manufacturers had sold over 2.4 million players."
This above statement can be an evidence of the dillemma: how to make money without having exclusive licence: just start production, there is enough room for all the producers.

Justsomeguy

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Re: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?
« Reply #33 on: September 11, 2011, 03:53:17 AM »
That would be a fine idea, if you already had a factory, a couple years of design and tooling, suppliers lined up and ready to ship, and a huge amount of money to pay all of those people.  Unfortunately, I don't have that set up. As soon as the very first one goes out the door, China and many others will be cranking them out in a week.  My money needs to be made on the sale of the technology, not the products.

fritznien

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Re: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?
« Reply #34 on: September 11, 2011, 04:18:28 AM »
sell the power!
boot strap up from your own use to pushing gigawatts to the grid.
by the time anyone figures it out you should be up to megawatts and have some serious cash flow.
you did build a working model to power your home right?

tomd000

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Re: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?
« Reply #35 on: September 11, 2011, 05:15:58 AM »
Maybe Mark Dansie could be of assistance. According to Sterling Allan's site - PESN, he is assisting the inventors of a solid state free energy generator with industry partners and investors. He also posts on this site from time to time.
http://pesn.com/2011/07/23/9501875_Number-1_Breakthrough_Solid_State_Generator/

Qwert

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Re: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?
« Reply #36 on: September 11, 2011, 05:48:08 AM »
  ...Unfortunately, I don't have that set up...
Then, how will you find money for patenting? Sometimes starting production just from scrap would cost you less than the patenting process.

Justsomeguy

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Re: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?
« Reply #37 on: September 11, 2011, 06:44:21 AM »
I can easily get the money for patenting. The problem is - it can NOT be patented. You can not patent a property of a material, even if this property is currently unknown, it still is naturally occurring. You can't patent water because it is wet.
Even if I patented the most efficient design, a 50% efficient design would still produce free energy. So the only way to make money without a huge investment and risk is to sell the technology outright.

Low-Q

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Re: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?
« Reply #38 on: September 11, 2011, 10:48:35 AM »
I understand and appreciate what you are saying. Although, if you think about it, one of the main motivators for the number one and two markets you describe is suppression.

For weapons, think war or turf. Well, war usually occurs as a result of greed for resources. So with a free energy device, there will be less need for current high price resources thus less need for violent confrontation.

Second drugs. If you are thinking illegal drugs most people resort to them to escape the pressures of society. If you crush the $$ control over energy, there will be less pressure on people (in the end) and thus less need for an escape. If you are talking medicine, well I can think of many many things burning all around me that are known carcinogens. (think tailpipe)
This is very well put Shadesz. This is what I also have bee thinking of too.
Releasing the pressure by offering free energy to everyone. I really do believe that free energy will not only cause less pressure, but also cause better handling and distribution of food and medicines - because people will think different - greed will not be neccessary. It is enough food in this world to feed twice the number of people on this earth. But greed and bad attitudes make sure the food isn't reaching all. Instead we waste food. That is a shame!

So keep up the good work folks :)

Vidar

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Re: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?
« Reply #39 on: September 11, 2011, 11:49:12 AM »
So Wilby you are the "logic police" ?

Please post the mandate that you were granted by Stefan, the forum owner, to act as the logic police authority on this forum.

Failure to provide said mandate will by definition mean that you have been self-appointed.

Self-appointment to a position of authority is a self-righteous act.

Presenting yourself as an expert on logic is also a self-righteous act.

You fail the very criteria by which you presume to come here and judge others. (Assuming you have no official mandate)

Furthermore, you are selective in your policing...

I actually do understand the significance of it. Anywhere could become habitable and productive. An ion drive would be useful. carbon footprints would go away. In Thirty years or so oil would be primarily a lubricant. And people will still be dying at the same rate for another hundred years. People will still live in shanty towns, mud huts etc....

This statement by Justsomeguy is riddled with logical fallacy and assumption... and not a single comment by you pointing this out. You have an agenda Wilby, it is clear for all to see.

You know what my purpose is, to cooperate with the members of this forum in developing technology to make the world a better place for tomorrow's children.

Many people disagree with me but I do not call them troll's, I call you a troll because I believe you are a troll.

And Omnibus is not anything to do with me...

RM :)

maw2432

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Re: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?
« Reply #40 on: September 11, 2011, 01:55:07 PM »
Science Discoveries are rewarded every year in fields of Chemistry and Physics.  It is called the Nobel Prize.  The Nobel Prize amount for 2011 is set at Swedish kronor (SEK) 10 million per full Nobel Prize. That is about 1.5 million in US dollars.   Along with the money, diploma, and international fame you would also be asked to speak (more money) for several years at many Scientific forums and college lecture tours.    All this for a great discovery.   No patent required. 

You need to publish your discovery to be eligable.  It should be a Scientific document with proof of your discovery. 

I suggest also that you create a good Non-disclosure document and take your discovery to several universities and have your discovery verified first.
Then publish your findings. 

If you truly have a great discovery, the award will come.

Bill

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Re: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?
« Reply #41 on: September 11, 2011, 02:33:51 PM »
Say that you have discovered a previously unknown property of a substance that allows you to prove overunity beyond any doubt. Repeatable and reproducible by anyone. You have used different materials, meters, gauges, and even multiple locations to rule out outside influences (I used to be a metrologist, I ran a materials testing lab, And process engineering for a major corp. trust me). Also assume that with such a breakthrough that you would like to become disgustingly wealthy. You are familiar with the laws of thermodynamics, but you also can see it with you own eyes and hold it in your hands. No input required. It just works. Linear or rotational and output is measured with "work"- force over distance.
Now you start researching patents and find out that you can't protect it. How do you make Billions from it? JREF has a million dollar prize. There are some X prizes and some oil guy. But how do you make real money with it? 
I would really like some ideas.

As a meteorologist,  you know that properties of materials are broken down to main categories. 
Physical and Chemical properties. 

Chemical properties suggest the substances ability to react and form a new chemical substance.   It would be very difficult (but not impossible) to get much notice for a new chemical property discovery.

That leaves a new discovery of a physical property of a substance.    I doubt that you are looking at radioactive decay effect of a material.  So that leaves us with magnetic and electrical properties.
 
Materials can be pure substances as an individual element, or compounds or alloys.   
Most all the individual elements have been studied beyond our imagination for all their physical properties.  However, just look at last years Nobel Prize on Graphine.   

So I imagine you are working with a compound or alloy that forms naturally and has  not been previously studied for the physical property that you discovered. 

A good guess would be that you may have found a material that blocks magnetic fields.   A material that acts as a magnetic shield.   That would be a great discovery. 
 
Bill
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Re: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?
« Reply #43 on: September 11, 2011, 04:19:28 PM »
Metrologist. I  suspect you were auto-corrected.And materials testing, primarily microstructure analysis. Your logic is reasonably correct. So now you have a material with unusual properties. A very specific compound designed to have other properties, but you stumbled upon a "side effect".  How do you sell it ?

maw2432

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Re: How do you make Money from an overunity device that can not be patented?
« Reply #44 on: September 11, 2011, 04:49:53 PM »
Metrologist. I  suspect you were auto-corrected.And materials testing, primarily microstructure analysis. Your logic is reasonably correct. So now you have a material with unusual properties. A very specific compound designed to have other properties, but you stumbled upon a "side effect".  How do you sell it ?

Sorry about the auto correction.    I suggest you look at the Nobel Prize for Graphine. 
The strongest now known material in the world.   The physical property is not patentable.  It was isolated using a graphite pencil and some scotch tape.  The process for using silcon sheets to produce large quantities is patentable.

If your "side effect" requires some process then go for a patent. 

If you are intested in producing say a motor generator that runs OU because of this material use, then that is process/method of acheiving a result.   That would be patentable.   Anyone wanting to use your method/process and material would need to pay you a royality.   

If not,  do as I suggested before and publish your finding.  If it is as you say proving OU, and provides for a low cost altnerative energy, you may receive a Nobel Prize. 

If you are looking for answers on how to get into production, sales and marketing of a product,  you are looking at the wrong forum.   

Bill