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christo4_99 · « **Reply #30 on:** July 24, 2011, 12:20:12 AM »

The build is done

. The basic principle seems to work but the devices are not working as planned. I have thought of a way to modify the design without much new material cost. The design seems to require an increase in weight but the devices do not allow for this since they are not functioning properly with the weight that is already being used. Maybe after i think about it a while i will go ahead and let you all in on the basic principle.

fritznien · « **Reply #31 on:** July 24, 2011, 12:37:13 AM »

think on this,there are 3 basic types of machines, levers wheels and inclined planes.
all mechanical devices are made of these in various combinations.
gears are wheels and levers, a screw is an inclined plane and a wheel,a hydraulic piston
is just another way to do a lever.
now the kicker, none of these show any sign of being anything other than unity.so how is your
combination going to show OU?changing the weights is not going to help til you can show a gain.
fritznien

overtaker · « **Reply #32 on:** July 26, 2011, 02:11:06 AM »

"He can rack his brains and work his fingers to the bones with all sorts of ingenious ideas about adding extra weights here and there. The only result would be that his wheel will get heavier and heavier - it would run longer if it were empty!" - pg 295

christo4_99 · « **Reply #33 on:** July 26, 2011, 02:51:03 AM »

Quote from: overtaker on July 26, 2011, 02:11:06 AM

"He can rack his brains and work his fingers to the bones with all sorts of ingenious ideas about adding extra weights here and there. The only result would be that his wheel will get heavier and heavier - it would run longer if it were empty!" - pg 295

I am aware of that quote. It seems to imply that what we are looking for is lightness, since there are weights everywhere . My design includes a method of having weights on only one side of the wheel. I built it poorly so it doesn't function like i had planned .Maybe i can correct it . There is another aspect to it that i hadn't thought of until i saw it trying to work . I am going to incorporate the added feature.
Bessler gave us a lot of clues ,some of which I think i may be solely aware of. If worse comes to worse and i don't succeed then maybe I will disclose the idea and see what others think about it.

christo4_99 · « **Reply #34 on:** July 27, 2011, 07:34:47 AM »

Wow, I was really down in the dumps because my build failed and doubting that Bessler really even did what he said he did. I put a little more thought to it today and i came up with something that lifted me out of my doldrums ! Right now I'm excited and there's nobody awake for me to talk to about the idea . I texted that i have thought of something to my best friend but he is sleeping . I guess i can go to sleep also and perhaps sleep well with my new concept . Keep plugging away at it people is all i can say for now .

christo4_99 · « **Reply #35 on:** July 28, 2011, 07:27:29 PM »

Anyone can quote Bessler but the true test is to put your heart and soul into it , to feel the heartbreak that comes from a failed attempt and in spite of it rise to the occasion by sifting through all the adversity that exists , the invalid ideas , not only from outside but inside as well and imagine something however different from what others have thought of , that works.

overtaker · « **Reply #36 on:** July 28, 2011, 08:47:44 PM »

Quote from Cristo:

Anyone can quote Bessler but the true test is to put your heart and soul into it , to feel the heartbreak that comes from a failed attempt and in spite of it rise to the occasion by sifting through all the adversity that exists , the invalid ideas , not only from outside but inside as well and imagine something however different from what others have thought of , that works.

So, are you saying you don't know how Bessler did it?

christo4_99 · « **Reply #37 on:** July 28, 2011, 09:24:34 PM »

I have never felt that i knew exactly how Bessler did it but what i do know is that i have found answers where nobody else has ... one very key component to be exact ! It just so happens that in the ashes of this most recent failure, (just a few days ago) after ALL THE (short lived) CRYING AND WINING AND CURSING BESSLER (about a day and 1/2) that comes with this burden i once again decided to put my brain to some use and keep looking . My most recent idea seems promising in that although it could be found in the same neighborhood as my old idea it has finally,at long last, moved a little scientific background and an explanation with it !

christo4_99 · « **Reply #38 on:** July 28, 2011, 11:26:07 PM »

Notice for those of you who are actually studying Bessler per se : Notice that he never says that he discovered the principle during an experiment or something to that affect ( this could be refuted ), but that the secret came to him after a moment of sheer doubt and frustration when he hit bottom. For some of us who suffer from overconfidence it is this moment which is the most telling.
From Bruce Lee :
" Fear comes from uncertainty. When we are absolutely certain, whether of our worth or our worthlessness, we are almost impervious to fear. Thus, a feeling of utter unworthiness can be a source of courage. Everything seems possible when we are absolutely helpless or absolutely powerful -- and both states stimulate our gullibility."

So what we can expect is to make our discoveries at the times when it seems the least likely . Success comes from failure . In this case mechanical aptitude and a powerful imagination are definite perquisites to success but a heart that does not fain in the event of utter failure definitely helps!

overtaker · « **Reply #39 on:** July 29, 2011, 10:14:44 PM »

quote from Cristo: I have never felt that i knew exactly how Bessler did it

More quotes from Cristo from Besslerwheel.com:

I have solved the mystery of the Bessler Case...
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2011 1:41 am Post subject: I have solved the mystery of the Bessler Case... Reply with quote Report Post to Admin
I am not kidding.I will not be ignored.I need to talk with John personally because i have one hell of an ending for the movie...and the world.I don't mean the end of the world.lol.Anyway John i PMed you.I am not a crackpot or anything.I am telling you i have solved it...there is no question...so we need to talk about this.
First,I want you all to know that the thing that Bessller did,,,both the things that he did...are beautiful.
Beyond principle,beyond guesswork...there is no doubt in my mind tonight that i have figured it out.I know some of you are sick of my claims but I assure you that if i chose to i could convince even the most skeptical of you that such is the case.I have been on the right track since i made the announcement here and tonight i reached the end of that road...there is nowhere else to go.If i had to explain how i got to this point it has been a combination of luck,artistic ability and perseverance.Anyway,since i now have the correct principle to work with it should only be a matter of time until i can produce a working model.

This is why you were booted of that forum! When are you going to apologize for acting like an idiot?

christo4_99 · « **Reply #40 on:** July 30, 2011, 05:57:40 AM »

I have never claimed to know exactly what Bessler did... i repeat ....but as of the last few days I know quite a bit more about it that you or anyone on that board or anyone except Karl and Bessler . Do you know anything about it? I'd bet that you don't . i bet the only thing you want is to act like anyone can... dig up what you think is dirt and then ask someone to apologize. For what ?

christo4_99 · « **Reply #41 on:** July 30, 2011, 06:15:56 AM »

I am sick and tired of conversing with you superior folk who don't know jack ! Apologize to me is more like it ! Just like Bessler I have real friends in this world and they know what I'm doing . They have faith in me . I am telling you that the mystery has been solved , that Bessler was for real , I know his principle and how his wheel worked . But you won't have that . WHY? You go in any other circle and you are in the wrong camp ! I have seen everyone's ideas of how the thing worked ! What is wrong with you people ? Is anyone else making such claims? It's because they don't know ! I am tired of the strife . Would you like me to give up ? I don't need any money or anything . Everyone could benefit from this so why do you guys keep beating me down ? What are YOU doing to help ? What is in your back yard ? Do you know Bessler's principle ? Are you doing anything ? I doubt it . So stfu and let me tell the people the good news ! I am not the nicest guy in the world . I am easily provoked . The guys at Besslerwheel don't know shit and they think that they are a bunch of genii. You are mere hecklers to me and likewise because of your own choices ! Many think poorly of Bessler . I KNOW WHY ! I understand what happened to the man because the same thing is happening to me . You think he was not provoked ? You think he received much encouragement from his fellow man ? Hell no ! He was alone in his art and he was alone when he died . And people like you who can do nothing yet are content to interfere in other people's business is the reason why !

onthecuttingedge2005 · « **Reply #42 on:** July 30, 2011, 06:40:11 AM »

Quote from: christo4_99 on July 30, 2011, 06:15:56 AM

I am sick and tired of conversing with you superior folk who don't know jack ! Apologize to me is more like it ! Just like Bessler I have real friends in this world and they know what I'm doing . They have faith in me . I am telling you that the mystery has been solved , that Bessler was for real , I know his principle and how his wheel worked . But you won't have that . WHY? You go in any other circle and you are in the wrong camp ! I have seen everyone's ideas of how the thing worked ! What is wrong with you people ? Is anyone else making such claims? It's because they don't know ! I am tired of the strife . Would you like me to give up ? I don't need any money or anything . Everyone could benefit from this so why do you guys keep beating me down ? What are YOU doing to help ? What is in your back yard ? Do you know Bessler's principle ? Are you doing anything ? I doubt it . So stfu and let me tell the people the good news ! I am not the nicest guy in the world . I am easily provoked . The guys at Besslerwheel don't know shit and they think that they are a bunch of genii. You are mere hecklers to me and likewise because of your own choices ! Many think poorly of Bessler . I KNOW WHY ! I understand what happened to the man because the same thing is happening to me . You think he was not provoked ? You think he received much encouragement from his fellow man ? Hell no ! He was alone in his art and he was alone when he died . And people like you who can do nothing yet are content to interfere in other people's business is the reason why !

how can 'superior' folk not know jack? that's what I wanna know. anyone who's everyone knows jack.

christo4_99 · « **Reply #43 on:** July 30, 2011, 07:35:41 AM »

I hope you all are so proud of yourselves for helping me with this thing .

christo4_99 · « **Reply #44 on:** July 30, 2011, 08:33:36 PM »

I have asked for nothing ... because i am in need of nothing from you but what i do want is for everyone to know that the great mystery has been solved and that all the pretenders will be put to shame . If all goes well at long last the world will have the wheel and it's principle .
It would be nice to have some encouragement and to feel that although i will not just give away the secret that i am not alone in my efforts... and that i can count on some of you to encourage me and defend, perhaps even befriend me to some extent if need be .

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