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sarkeizen

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #105 on: December 13, 2014, 09:36:51 PM »
If there's a possibility that begging the question
You are begging the question.  You appear to claim that you can determine that X implies Y when X possesses attribute Z.  When asked how you know that X possessing Z -> Y your only answer so far is that you have assumed that some X possessing Z implies Y.

So in other words you really don't have an argument.

profitis

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #106 on: December 14, 2014, 06:55:11 PM »
Yes I do let's use logic.yesteryear there were suchnsuch numbers of molecules available for treatment of x.this year there are suchnsuch+y numbers of molecules available for x.this trend predicts that next year there will be suchnsuch+y+z molecules available for x.these new molecules are highly likely to include re-arrangements(eg we want the prozac vibe but we also want our own novelty so let's 'borrow,re-arrange') amongst new variety.all of them will be totaly non-natural and completely manmade,a requirement of patent law.all of them will have different side-effects,no two different molecules have same.each side-effect is like a trajectory of a dart thrown by a barfly,most will hit in a sort-of predictable way whilst some land stuck in the waiters head or the wall.now put every single molecule on the market used for x's side-effect  trajectories in a row and you will see the kind of dispersal and chaos that you see when a laser-beam of photons bounces on a pile of broken beer-bottles.an ever-increasing unpredictability of side-effects from one person to the next,all from treatment of x,due to requirement to patent novel material(pressure),fueled by desire to novelize already patented molecules and borrow their success(re-arrangement),driven by need to stay ahead of competitors or to just to be a competitor(motivation)   

profitis

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #107 on: December 14, 2014, 07:29:09 PM »
Bottom line= one hundred thousand potential side-effects in total next year vs 90000 this year just for x-treatment

sarkeizen

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #108 on: December 15, 2014, 04:42:27 PM »
Yes I do let's use logic.
Nothing that followed there appeared to be logic.   Wayyy too many poorly defined terms.

As I've stated before you can't rationally hold your belief that OU is easy to validate to just about anyone who wants to.  Postulating big, well-funded free-energy labs which produce nothing reduces the likelihood of either the labs existing or increases the difficulty in OU validation.

profitis

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #109 on: December 15, 2014, 07:03:40 PM »
OU is exceptionally easy for scientists and for children to validate as I've shown elsewhere on this website.OU is not easy to shove into public domains as it incurs loss of valuable I.P.

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #110 on: December 16, 2014, 01:58:59 AM »
OU is exceptionally easy for scientists and for children to validate as I've shown elsewhere on this website.
Yawn.  Take a stats class.
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OU is not easy to shove into public domains as it incurs loss of valuable I.P.
Only to the IP holders which is, by your claim millions if not billions of times smaller than those capable of validating OU.  Again your own ideas do not predict the outcome.  So your presuppositions are more likely wrong than right. :) :)

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #111 on: December 17, 2014, 09:48:44 AM »
Who in their right mind would want to validate ou to public @sarkeizen? What's in it for them?your comparrisons of ip holders to everybody else is pointless.

sarkeizen

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #112 on: December 17, 2014, 03:15:50 PM »
Who in their right mind would want to validate ou to public @sarkeizen?
Same thing for any technological advances.  If you actually read science journals (and not just pretend to and then regurgitate titles which you claim support your theories) you would see an amazingly wide range of ideas.  For example time machines have been published in the speculative "D"  branch of the famous physics journal: Physical Review.
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What's in it for them?
Wrong question idiot.  It's what's in it for them in NOT publishing.  For the vast majority of people - absolutely nothing.  On the other hand for most people publishing something that violates a known law of physics in a way that is utterly and completely undeniable is likely to advance their career and would be a good candidate for a Nobel.  I hear those net you a million dollars.
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your comparrisons of ip holders to everybody else is
A good use of statistics.  I agree.  You have repeatedly stated that everyone is capable of validating OU in a completely unambiguous way.  If that's true then the number of potential validations is pretty close to the global population.  Now you claim that there are people who are against this because of IP.  However the people who make money off energy IP is orders and order and orders of magnitude smaller by comparison.

Add to that most people on earth don't have a million dollars or a career in the sciences.  Hence the expectation is we would see a publication.  We do not, so the likely case is that OU isn't as easy or clear as you keep insisting.  QED.

profitis

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #113 on: December 17, 2014, 09:44:48 PM »
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'Same thing for any technological advances.  If you actually read science journals (and not just pretend to and then regurgitate titles which you claim support your theories) you would see an amazingly wide range of ideas.  For example time machines have been published in the speculative "D"  branch of the famous physics journal: Physical Review.'

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I've seen some good shit in those journals.doesn't mean anybody will take it seriously eg cold fusion.


--- Quote fom profitis ---What's in it for them?
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Wrong question idiot.  It's what's in it for them in NOT publishing.  For the vast majority of people - absolutely nothing.  On the other hand for most people publishing something that violates a known law of physics in a way that is utterly and completely undeniable is likely to advance their career and would be a good candidate for a Nobel.  I hear those net you a million dollars.'

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This is not a certainty.plenty geniuses in history came up with good shit and got no nominations eg.the guy who discovered/createdthe prototype lithium ion battery.
 
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A good use of statistics.  I agree.  You have repeatedly stated that everyone is capable of validating OU in a completely unambiguous way.  If that's true then the number of potential validations is pretty close to the global population.  Now you claim that there are people who are against this because of IP.  However the people who make money off energy IP is orders and order and orders of magnitude smaller by comparison.

Add to that most people on earth don't have a million dollars or a career in the sciences.  Hence the expectation is we would see a publication.  We do not, so the likely case is that OU isn't as easy or clear as you keep insisting.  QED.'

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Or the case is that ou is somewhat ignored by the mainstream media for a number of reasons eg not to fuck up the status quo

sarkeizen

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #114 on: December 17, 2014, 10:33:20 PM »
I've seen some good shit in those journals.doesn't mean anybody will take it seriously eg cold fusion.
The question was "Why would you publish" and the answer is "because it is far more valuable to you to publish than to not publish".  Not publishing gives you absolutely nothing for the vast majority of people.  Publishing gives you a pretty good chance at a million dollars and a career in science.  That is better than most peoples prospects.  So the advantage is there and nothing is stopping them (because according to you ANYONE can do it and make it absolutely perfectly clear that they had accomplished this).

So again the expectation is to see journal articles published specifically validating OU but we don't and Bayes rule tells us that the unmet expectation must reduce the likelihood of either our presuppositions or our outcome. 

So you can either believe that OU doesn't exist OR that you've been lying to us about the complexity in demonstrating it (or both). :)


profitis

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #115 on: December 18, 2014, 08:10:03 AM »
My cells are not complex and were published on an open forum and definitely did open doors for my career.there's a handful of other peoples noncomplex overunities on youtube too.so why did these actions not change the world @sarkeizen.its like I said,these things are ignored by those who can change geists ie.they receive no general importance,only local importance ie.important to the authors career.since they are only important to the authors career,they won't have the impact that you are imagining they will have.they won't be validated by the numero-uno validator when majority of people want validation from the numero-uno validator before they believe anything

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #116 on: December 18, 2014, 09:02:04 AM »
Also I forgot to mention that authors generaly want to be novel in their publications and will be unlikely to copy another prior author which makes overunity all the more difficult to promulgate.now each author has to find his own shit and not copy and look like a copycat

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #117 on: December 18, 2014, 04:03:42 PM »
My cells are not complex and were published on an open forum and
Did you submit to a journal for publication?  Yes or no?  If yes please provide a copy of your paper and the referee comments.  My guess is no.  In which case your complaint is irrelevant.  The fact is you are asking people to believe that out of BILLIONS of people, each and every one - according to you can demonstrate in a utterly unambiguous way that there is absolutely no doubt that they have a OU device.  Not one of them attempted to publish?  Not one of the attempts succeeded?

So far your only objections are:

i) What's in it for them?  This was answered, not only the same advancement that other people who publish get but also a chance at a million dollars.
ii) Why didn't it happen to you?  You didn't get published primarily because you did not attempt it.
iii) They have a vested interest in energy IP.  Only accounts for a microscopic portion of the group.
iv) Novelty in publication.   You simply misunderstand the concept.  Firstly novelty isn't really as strictly enforced as one might wish and secondly it's usually compared to published work.  There is no clear, realized and unambiguous OU published work.  In fact if you look at the publication guidelines from the SAGE group of journals.  Point 1, paragraph one it lists "the conventional wisdom is mistaken" as criteria for considering your contribution novel.  Ergo it's a pretty low bar to pass and especially so in OU.
v) Something about some made up "numero uno".   As someone who has some visibility into publishing in journals I'd say that there is no such thing.  A journal has an editorial board, each article will have reviewers/referees these can come from the board or sometimes suggested by the submitter.  However there is no grand cabal.  No black helicopters arrive to make sure we follow the guidance from our shadowy masters.

So again BILLIONS of potentials, ZERO published articles.   Evidence suggest OU is either not as easy as you say OR it doesn't work. :)

profitis

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #118 on: December 18, 2014, 07:11:43 PM »
Makes no difference.you can shove a clean clear overunity experiment into the filthy open forums or the 'prestigious' journals the outcome is the same.your career gets a boost,you get some micro-fame, that's as far as it goes.tell you what @sarkeizen do me a favour and talk to the noble prize peeps there by you please,ask them if they are willing to dish out a million for a 2lot violation evidence,tell them that they may do this quietly if they prefer,sort of slot me in un-noticed.we (you and me) split the cash even stevens if you can get this organised.

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #119 on: December 18, 2014, 07:49:03 PM »
Makes no difference.you can shove a clean clear overunity experiment into the filthy open forums or the 'prestigious' journals the outcome is the same.
Sorry, you have no opinion here.   You have never submitted your OU nonsense to a journal. 
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talk to the noble prize peeps there by you please,ask them if they are willing to dish out a million for a 2lot violation evidence
A million dollars is the Nobel Prize award.  So you will get that if you win.

Tell you what.  You can have an opportunity to show me you're right.  Get an article which clearly and unambiguously states the discovery of over unity in ANY journal with a SJR rank of 1.8 or greater and if you don't win the Nobel prize within two years of publication.  I'll give you $2000.