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Author Topic: Free Energy prize money  (Read 67672 times)

PaulLowrance

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Free Energy prize money
« on: April 09, 2005, 05:44:18 PM »
I was going through the list of Free Energy prize money and noticed the Zpower Inc. $100,000 Challenge seems to be out of commission.  Their web page has been down for at least several months.
http://www.zpower.net/challenge.htm

Here's a list of free energy prizes that I'm aware of.
http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/wener.html

Does anyone know of any others besides Eric?s tiny $10k?  I exchanged a dozen or more emails with Randi about his $1,000,000 prize.  IMHO it's misleading.  Does not Randi claim that the inventor must prove the machine breaks the laws of physics?  I asked Randi what if someone proves to you and your engineers that they have a machine that generates tens of kilowatts of free energy 24/7, but several months later the science community discovers how the machine works?  What if they discover the machine is getting energy from zero point or from ambient heat from the magnetic material?  Would that person get the prize?  I did not get a clear answer from Randi, but concluded that the machine must break the laws of physics.

And what about Jones $20,000 prize?
http://amasci.com/freenrg/jones.txt
He'll pay you $20,000 if he you'll allow him to run the machine for 5,000 hours.  That?s 208 days, nearly 7 months.  Is this offer still legit?  Is he flexible on the time frame?

What about the Keelynet prize?  I read his page but don't see any specific amount mentioned.  Does anyone know how much that prize will be?

It's great to see prizes such as the $10,000,000 X Prize for the first person to make it 62 miles away from earth, but IMHO free energy is far more important.

Paul

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Free Energy prize money
« on: April 09, 2005, 05:44:18 PM »

Offline Charlie Brown ARN

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2005, 04:08:22 AM »
I was in email correspondance with Eric and phoned Randi. The diode array diode patch prototype didn't make enough power to be a contender but Eric was happy to hear of it. Randi told me that he didn't deal with issues raised by the diode array somehow. The diode array dosen't make enough power to contend for the SEAS power offer of a million dollars. I The diode array needs development money up front. It seems to take as much effort to gather a prize persuing team as it does to assemble capitol from many investors. I need angels who like the diode array.

Aloha, Charlie

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2005, 08:03:40 AM »
Why does nobody tell me these things?

http://www.seaspower.com/zprizeannounced.htm

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BushWacker

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2005, 12:11:20 PM »
People,

    You may not believe me now but it may be at your own peril if you do not consider what I have to say to you. I have met with Greer and his alleged physicists in D.C., with the good intentions of revealing several technologies which could have lead to viable free energy technologies. These so-called physicists I found out were nothing of the sort, and could not add two plus two let alone understand anything relating to physics. I had wondered why they appeared so distant while I earnestly attemted to point out these technologies which they have supposedly have been looking for, and with the alleged intentions of releasing them to the whole world because of their concerns for all of us poor people. I took a risk of losing my life because of the information that I gave them, yet they were not who they claim to be!
In the couple of years which have past since driving across the entire country only to be set-up by Greer and his clones, I have received information from several other's who claim to have worked with Steven Greer over a period of several years in various black projects, which were funded and controlled by the same elitest group which have planned out the strategies for our wonderful New World Order, as Bush senior has coined the term. During the approximate 1 1/2 hour private conversation between Steven and myself, Greer expressed great glee in telling me about his exploits with the young Rockefeller at his very home. Mr. Greer told me of the amazing technologies which he had witnessed at the Rockefeller mansion and could barely keep silent in his boasting, while I was only eager to share the secrets which I had spent two full days driving without sleep to get to D.C. to share with him. The information I received from people who are aware of Greer's actual past, expressed total disgust for the man, and told of a completely different man then Steven Greer has claimed to be to the public. After I had shared the information which I was told that I would be killed if I ever spoke of again in a direct face to face confrontation in years previous to my meeting with Greer, the entire Greer groupies turned on me in a hostile mannor. I tried to ignore the behavior of these people as best I could, and decided that since I had spent several days driving to get there, that I would sit in on the conference which was titled "Energy and Ethics". During the conference, Steven spoke about how and when they should go about releasing these free energy technologies. I found this quite enlightening since on the air and in public, Steven had always expressed the importance of obtaining and releasing these technologies as quickly as possible. I have since learned from Steven's own lips, that he has found a legitamit free energy device which could supply energy to every home for a meger financial investment. It has been a good two years now, and Steven has been completely silent on the matter. What I have come to realize without any further doubt, is that Steven Greer and his SEAS Power organization, is nothing more than another fishing expedition set-up to keep tabs on folks like you and me. As I have said, you may not believe me now, but if you go running straight to SEAS Power with a true alternative energy technology, be prepared to learn the hard way. Remember, Eugene Mallove kept close ties with Steven Greer, and it is believed that Gene was about to blow the lid off the oil cartels can of worms. Luckily for me, the idiots that Greer had fill in for authentic physicists have no idea what they past up. Watch your backs guy's. This is not a childs game, and it is not a joke, you are playing with some powerful people in this business, and don't you forget it. The reason I am telling you this is not to frighten any of you, but it is because I do care about you, and don't want to see any more of my friends and collegues die needlessly.

http://www.stevequayle.com/dead_scientists/UpdatedDeadScientists.html

Best Regards,

Bush Wacker

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PaulLowrance

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2005, 06:30:13 PM »
Dear Bush Wacker,

Thanks for the info!  Your post was perfectly timed.  How strange that I was just about 5 minutes away from sending Steven Greer an email, lol.  I wanted to ask him his recommendation to patenting or publishing.  I've read a lot of posts that publishing's the way to go, but still nobody can answer me why not do both, publish and a quick self patent?  I have not built any free energy machine yet, and don't expect to anytime soon until I finish the finalized simulation program and verify some things, but when and if that time comes then I'd like to know what to do.  My first and *only* goal is to give the world the designs to free energy.  If I make some $ afterwards then great, but that has zero priority in comparison.  So I plan on publishing, but still am hesitant to patent.  I read about the disasters of patenting, etc, but why?  I read that Edison gave some medical technology away by means of only publishing.  I'm told that he did not patent them.  I'm still curious if he succeeded.  Can companies steal the device after I publish?  Also, does it matter where you publish?  Someone recommended the following site as a professional means to publication, but it cost money:

http://www.researchdisclosure.com


Also the US Patent Office has a Statutory Invention Registration system, which may have similar effects:

http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/mpep_e8_1100.pdf

 
Also I'm curious who threatened your life Bush Wacker?  If you're willing, could you tell us more about this?  There isn't a day that goes by that I do not think of this topic.  I know how crazy governments such as China are.  They would kidnap a scientist in a heart beat if they could gain something from it.  That includes terrorists organizations.  If a government is willing to take such extreme actions then I know individuals are willing to do the same.  Long ago I was starting a company in a very promising field.  I went to a lawyer to finalize the documents.  As I was leaving his office, he said, "So how are you going to deal with the local mafia?"  The way he said it sent chills down my back.  He was dead serious.  I live in the U.S.A. BTW.  Most people refuse to believe that modern society is ran by such sick greedy people who have no spiritual beliefs.  As far as they're concerned, people are just a conglomeration of atoms-- nothing more, nothing less.  This lawyer warned me that people die for a whole lot less.  People make filthy rich living from war and the inefficiencies of capitalism.  Just as you've so clearly said Bush Wacker, I know that there are people in this world that would kill to eliminate global free energy.

Sometimes I wonder just how many people in the free energy community are here just to cause noise.  It seems like such a cheap and legal means to suppress this technology.  All they would have to do is pay some scum buckets on a monthly basis to post noise.  I get emails from people all the time trying to get me to build this machine when I know darn well the machine is not legitimate.  I get people desperately trying to get me to stop my research on the Magnetocaloric effect.  I get people trying to talk me into making a fortune when I successfully build a free energy machine.  So, if it were that easy and cheap, then why wouldn't multi trillion dollar companies not do so?  After all, it's legal to pay people to post noise.  I keep asking myself why they would not?  The more I see of the free energy community, the more I am convinced that a great deal of the people are here just to cause noise.

BTW, I'm grateful that you spoke out Bush Wacker.  No problem, your words should not scare people but rather encourage people to fight for what is right.  Because of people such as yourself, yes I am more cautions, but more determined than ever. 

Sincerely,
Paul

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Re: Free Energy prize money
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PaulLowrance

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2005, 06:46:59 PM »
Why does nobody tell me these things?

http://www.seaspower.com/zprizeannounced.htm


I have a question about the Z Competition.

It states you must own the device, or legally control it.  That sounds like it immediately prohibits the inventor from freely publishing the exact build designs of the free energy machine.  I have a HUGE problem with that.  There are people who claim to have the smoking gun almost on a year basis, no?  You'll notice that these people have a one track mind, $.  They go through the patent process, lawyers, seeking investors, manufacturers, advertising money, etc.  And just how many people to date have successfully completed that process?  Zero, right?  I cannot express how much I caution anyone from taking the greedy route.  Therefore, my question is this, is the Z Competition still valid if the inventor first publishes the entire design details?  If not, then I have absolutely zero interest in this Z Competition!  I have no problem with selling people a free energy machine if that person does want to build or is not able to build such a machine.  Although I have a problem with preventing the world from building their own free energy machine.

Sincerely,
Paul

PaulLowrance

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2005, 08:28:24 PM »
Why does nobody tell me these things?

http://www.seaspower.com/zprizeannounced.htm


I just received an email from "SEAS Info" info@seaspower.com confirming that the Z Competition is no longer valid.  The Technical assistant for seaspower.com referred me to:

http://www.seaspower.com/technologycriteria.htm

It seems they're still searching for people who have such a machine but the one million dollar prize is no longer valid.

Paul

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BushWacker

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2005, 12:14:10 AM »
Kysmett and Paul,

   I can already tell that you are both just regular guy's who are sincere about what you say. Again, you can send me a phone # or e-mail address where we can either speak directly, or by e-mail if you prefer. One thing I want you to know though, is that I have been and still remain under tight surveillance by Homeland Security agent's. I have met one in person already, and believe that he is on our side. I have met many ex-CIA, NSA, DoD, and other agents throughout the years, and most of them are just regular patriotic citizen's like you and I. There are as many or more of these guy's who are very concerned about the same things that we are, and it is a good thing to have them on our side. I just want you to know before hand. Send me a note at JDEnterprizes@mailblocks.com and we can talk okay?

Cheers,

Bush Wacker

PaulLowrance

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2005, 12:51:28 AM »
Dear Bush Wacker,

That is interesting.  I've never had the pleasure of meeting such people, or at least was not aware of it.  I've always grouped them into a single category as more materialistic people.  I'll send you an email, but perhaps for this group, maybe you could provide what the basic mentality of these people are.  I mean, do you they want global free energy?  If not, then could it be because they don't want terrorist or other countries to have such technology?  Are they concerned that an immediate introduction of free energy machines will rip our society to pieces?  Are they concerned that if everyone had unlimited free energy that global warming would become are biggest problem?  What other reasons do they have?

Global warming:
Are these people aware that some scientists / inventors are more responsible?  The research I am working on solves all of the above with the exception of capitalism.  Actually IMHO it will force capitalism to evolve to a more natural and efficient state.  I refer to it as Energy Mover.  The research predicts that ambient heat energy from magnetic materials via the Magnetocaloric effect will move to destination source.  So if a hair dryer or TV is plugged into the device, then energy is moved from the magnetic material to the TV.  Nearly 100.000% of the energy from most appliances heat up the air and surrounding environment.  The end results in the magnetic material being cold and the appliance being hot.  If the TV generates 200 watts of heat then 200 watts of heat will be sucked out of the device.  This is great for global warming since such technology would not heat up nor cool down the environment in totality.  There are a few exceptions.  For example, if somebody created a gizmo that shot pure energy out into outer space.  Actually this may be a good thing since it might help cancel out some of the heat given off by billions of human beings, cigarette smokers, etc. :-)

Technology:
Additionally, my research does not reveal any new technology.  It's simple classical physics.  There is no breakthrough in physics theories.  It is based upon the Magnetocaloric effect which was discovered in 1881.  The Magnetocaloric effect is just now starting to take off in deep freeze chillers.  The only thing is the science community is not aware that if you rewire a high permeable transformer core and apply a customized pulse signal then you can permanently extract the heat from the material.  Of course this is only as predicted by my simulation programs.  We'll have to see if it works in about 10 months.

Capitalism:
As far as society collapsing ... that is the inevitable and due to the inefficiencies of capitalism.  In Japan robotics are beginning to take over a great deal of jobs.  Soon the common robot will be capable of handling every task.  A lot of grocery stores out here have the automatic teller.  It's great I think.  You just walk up to the machine, place your groceries on the stand, and pay.  The computer handles everything.  The last company I worked for was selling an artificial secretary.  At the time it wasn't perfect, but it worked good enough.  Now that same technology is so advanced that it's nearly flawless.  It answers the phones, redirects, etc.  It understands anyone's voice.  You just tell it who you want to talk to and it understands.  So capitalism must soon evolve.

Sincerely,
Paul

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Re: Free Energy prize money
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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2005, 07:23:52 AM »
I have known of SEAS power a long time. First I reached Dr. Ted Loder who was the admin secretary who told me that my device did not qualify for their development because it makes too little power. I believe that this low power result is still scientifically revolutionary because it was created in a stirred inert liquid bath with no temperature gradient. I believe the diode array could meet the other important condition that SEAS power uses to select acceptible prospects, that three labs independently confirm claims of energy production by superior processes.[my expression]. Therefore, I would like to negotiate special arrangements with SEAS to accomodate excellent reproducibility and low power output. I tried to meet Dr. Steven Greer when he passed through one of Maui's general airports in ~1998 but failed. I flew to The people's conference on free energy [approx title] in Portland OR late September '04. My impression was that the people hosting the conference to individually different degrees want to regulate the release and schedule the application of any extremely cheap energy device. I don't think much of that is needed. I met Dr. Greer at this conference and felt that he was dedicated to finding, developing, and promoting superior energy sources. I further felt that his colleagues respected him for this. Last I heard, SEAS would get the million dollar payment to bestow on a superior energy machine inventor if the machine impressed a wide audience including the backers of SEAS power and was  (perhaps non exclusively) licensed to SEAS power. SEAS also offered to help protect eligible inventors from people of ill will. To me, these terms are generous, though they not helpful now during prototype development when money is needed, an outcome realistically short of fairy tale living happily ever after wonderful.

Aloha, Charlie

BushWacker

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2005, 07:43:53 AM »
When I was sitting in on the Energy and Ethics conference a few years ago, Steven Greer was not worried about finding any more free energy technologies/devices. He focused on when they should release what they already had to the world. If this doesn't sound opposite of what he has been preaching on the air and in public well, I don't know how to make it more clear, that SEAS Power and the Greer people are only another watchdog group who are trying to manage all the people with genuine technologies. I've run into this many times throughout the last 30+ years. How and why do you think we are no further along then we were 30 years ago? You all do what you want, you are going to anyway. I just thought I'd save you the grief of finding out the hard way. I've been around these spook types most of my life, I know how they work and mark my words if you like, but they already have at least several viable free energy technologies which would revolutionize the world but they are controlling it all. This is not the group that people think they are! Call me paranoid or whatever floats your boat guy's, but the reason I'm here is because my life has been ruined by these kinds of people, if you can even call them people/human. I am speaking to deaf ear's once again. So what the he__ else is new today!

Bye guy's and good luck!

Bush Wacker

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Re: Free Energy prize money
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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2005, 07:50:17 AM »
I'm trying to be prepared when or if I succeed in a FE machine.  I think this preparation could be very helpful to other people.  Someone emailed me the following interesting advice.  I was wondering what everyone thought of it:

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Patenting takes a lot of money and a lot of time, and will be seen "first" by the wolves in the US Patent Office.  I would not make patent my first step, if it were me.

I would publish and fully document the fact that I had "prior art".  I would do a number of things to establish the date of origination, such as certified mail to myself, with enclosed documents notarizes.  Note that YahooGroups listings are date stamped and are not editable.  Note that www.archive.org is a true historic snapshot that usually takes about 6 months before the archive shows up.

Then I would probably wait as long as possible (11.5 months -12 months) to "provisional" file for patent, which would then give me yet another year to file officially.  That would give me two years from the time of my "prior art" date before I make the final patent filing.

Meanwhile I would open source like crazy and try and develop the technology as far and wide as possible, with input from people all over the planet.

In my "open sourcing" documentation, I would have a prominent link to the "prior art" document that establishes my intellectual rights, and would require that any projects that spring from the original make reference to that document.
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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2005, 10:51:35 PM »
Hi Paul:

Your advice re:patenting is quite surprising, though if well-founded, encouraging. I was under the impression once a thing was on the internet and unpatented, that it was gone.

So, you make your prior art device, which in my experience can be over-scale or under-scale, and then you send yourself some SASE's and find someone to sign your notebook or get it notarized, etc.,

These next two parts I barely follow -- you have one year to improve the thing and this CAN include talking about how the bearings burn afetr five miutes running, etc., on public forums like Yahoo, before you MUST file your patent.

What you wisely suggest is that we THEN use the super-cheap "Provisional" patent form, after eleven months of dickering with the invention in discussions as well as getting up to our elbows in gimbals and whatzits. And THEN we continue to talk about the invention for a year, hoping to solve the bearing problem, or whatever?

I think we should copy this stuff to a "PROVISIONAL PATENTING FOR DUMMIES" thread.

PaulLowrance

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2005, 05:29:11 PM »
Here is another reply from a person on patents, publishing, and trademarks:

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>Meanwhile I would open source like crazy and try and develop the
>technology as far and wide as possible, with input from people all over
>the planet.
>In my "open sourcing" documentation, I would have a prominent link to
>the "prior art" document that establishes my intellectual rights, and
>would require that any projects that spring from the original make
>reference to that document.

You cannot put such restrictions on documentation, unless you can
enforce them with a patent, copyright, or licensing restriction.
Licensing restrictions (I consider non-disclosure agreements to be
a subset of these in this context) can be applied only if there is
a license and some reason why people NEED a license (like copyright).
Copyright protects the form of idea, not the idea itself, so a
project could spring from your ideas and there'd be no way to enforce
a requirement to reference your document.  If you aren't a jerk
about it, many will honor the request anyway, but you can't enforce
it.
Patents, which are probably the best approach to keeping control
of the idea and not letting someone else patent it, are expensive.
Trademarks only protect the NAME of your invention.  If your product
is HyperWeasel, you may be able to prevent the project to re-implement
your idea with a freer license from calling itself FreeHyperWeasel,
but trademark alone won't prevent them from copying the product.
+++++++++++

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/misc.legal/browse_frm/thread/cad68b3827840669/653d533e0c138e86#653d533e0c138e86

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Re: Free Energy prize money
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2005, 01:46:38 AM »
Patent laws are different in different countries. United States patent law allows you one year to file from the time you first puplicly disclose your invention. European patent law does not allow for disclosure before filing. As soon as you publish your idea or offer it for sale you loose any rights to patent in European countries. The US ia the only country that gives you the one year grace period.

In the US only the inventor may get a patent. In other countries the first person to file gets a patent.



This is my 'Plan'...

A] First get something that works!!!

B] Take steps to insure the idea survives in case of calamity.

C] Define the principle or the reason why it works!

D] Design a simple cheap working POP (proof of principle) sample model.

F] Build as many of these models as money/time/reasoning suggest.

G] Plan Ad campaign, including literature, web space, documentation, etc.

H] Write patent applications for most major countries.

I] Prepare a list of names, addresses of who is to receive what.

J] Always continue research into increasing power output and alternate designs.

K] Load up on liability and life insurance.

L] When all is prepared, file patents, upload web site, mail plans, ship models, etc. Hit the media hard! Make a sensation! Be on the evening news worldwide.

Do what needs to be done to keep those in power from suppressing your invention. It is much harder to put the genie back into the bottle after everyone has seen it. They move slow. You must move fast. The window of opportunity is between when the Patent Office receives your application and when someone reviewing it realizes what your invention really does.

Just my humble opinion.

Jim_Mich

 

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