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Author Topic: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments  (Read 183313 times)

Offline Pirate88179

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2009, 09:27:21 AM »
Here is my video of today's experiments:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjBAU4HAMfs

It is a bit hard to see but if you look close, you can see the huge spikes that seem to occur in a random fashion.  There was a sever storm going on in the area at the time which is what inspired me to do this.  The storm was about 5 miles away at this time and it began to really rain and storm right after so I had to close everything down for safety reasons.

I think the second waveform is the most interesting in that, you can see as I tune it in, there are 3 distinct overlapping waves in a braided rope like form and then, with the right adjustments (thanks Jim) I was able to freeze the wave and you can clearly see it.  This amazes me.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #31 on: July 16, 2009, 09:34:49 AM »
Jim:

That is a great video you posted.  I just now was able to view it.  Man, that flat top wave is incredible.  I wonder what would cause this?  I also like how your sine wave floats around like it is on the ocean.  Very interesting stuff here.  Thanks for all of your scope advice and yes, I have the settings and can/should be able to repeat this unless the signal changes due to earth conditions.

@ Wilby:

Thanks for your offer, that would be very helpful.  That type of thing is over my head.

@ Altrez:

Nice work man.  That is a good output especially for right off of the bat.  Great work!

Bill


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #32 on: July 16, 2009, 09:43:45 AM »
@WilbyInebriated

Hello there Wilby, thanks for these excellent suggestions.

great ideas!

if someone more familiar would give a list of the things you want to keep track of, i can make a db for you all, with 24 hour web access. if the software exports a csv or otherwise delimited file i can also whip up a script to allow that file to be uploaded into the db to save on some manual data entry.

as llftdaniel1 noted, an energy efficient pc is nice to have for long term logging. i use my good ol' dell axim.

edit: i use this on my dell axim, but they make a pc version too, maybe this would work? 8x8 parameter data logger included. iirc the pc sound card limits the range to 48kHz though. 21 day free trial. http://www.virtins.com/

Yeasss Wilby, if you could wip up something for us all, this would be excellent, put me on Beta List please  :D

I have 3 laptops, each with a different version of windows
If your db will work on a Linux, I'm sure Jeanna would stick her hand up for a copy also, give her a PM to be sure though.

I havent had any time today to look at the JT or EB topics, I'm trying to digest just this first.
I will just take a look at virtims.com  ;)

Thanks Wilby
hooroo
jim
 

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #33 on: July 16, 2009, 01:38:52 PM »
@all

I hooked my scope up to the earth battery and get no readings at all except for some slight ripples in the wave. I did notice however that my DMM showed .970 out put in the afternoon. that's a bit higher then when I checked it out in the morning.

Anyone have an idea whey my scope shows almost noting? Its got fresh battery's.

Thanks!

-Altrez


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #34 on: July 16, 2009, 01:39:55 PM »

@ Altrez:

Nice work man.  That is a good output especially for right off of the bat.  Great work!

Bill

Thank you :)

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #34 on: July 16, 2009, 01:39:55 PM »
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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #35 on: July 16, 2009, 03:26:47 PM »
Very nice you got those results in such stormy conditions and since the thunderstorm is affecting the earth you clearly got that, but i believe nothing is random in the energy world but i know what you mean though..

Nice work.

Dan.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #36 on: July 16, 2009, 04:08:54 PM »
I have wiped up a cpu list.

http://h.imagehost.org/view/0314/Untitled

It will have to be custom built..makes it cheaper anyways and newegg is in the usa and canada while i live in the uk.

All that this list needs is a cd/dvd rom drive..i was gonna pick the samsung sh-s223f..prehaps from an old pc.

Anyways corsair 400w is a good psu..i know i done my research, it won't whine or hiss but then if it does it can be rma'd easy.

You can also overclock the e5200 to like 4ghz which will give it plenty of power..if you need it..but you may need to buy a aftermarket socket 775 cpu cooler along with mx-2 thermal grease for the processer since it is a bit better than arctic silver 5.

Gigabyte is a motherboard manufacturer i would recommend as well as asus.

Or if you need a seperate pc that will just do the job and is not a powerhouse then i recommend an intel atom..prehaps prebuilt for whatever purpose..its cpu power is like that of a pentium 3 or just use your old pc.

I literally spent hours researching because i wanted to build a gaming machine so anyways this one is more suited for general tasks with plenty of power from the intel processer which is the e5200..if it is not enough which will be a very unlikely then you can overclock it easy to like 3.6ghz or 4ghz and oh intel processers are quad pumped... if you had a e8400 which has a fsb of like 1333mhz / 4 it is like 333mhz... and if you wanted to overclock it to 3.6ghz then you need pc6400 800mhz ram divide by 2 and that is 400mhz and regarding the cpu multiplier if you get the fsb to 400mhz or 1600fsb then you get 3.6ghz from the e8400 processer for example.

They overclock very well and run for ages..my expensive q9550 processer is running at 3.6ghz but if you was to overclock a q9550 get a p45 based motherboard ;).
« Last Edit: July 16, 2009, 05:45:12 PM by lltfdaniel1 »

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #37 on: July 16, 2009, 05:37:45 PM »
What is supposed to make the "earth battery" any different from a regular electrochemical battery?   It seems like the voltages observed by 'earth battery' experimenters are pretty much consistent with dirt electrochemical batteries. 


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #38 on: July 16, 2009, 07:56:53 PM »
great ideas!

if someone more familiar would give a list of the things you want to keep track of, i can make a db for you all, with 24 hour web access.

Hi wilby,
Will you program that in a java type language or at least not MS specific? something browser based would be really cool and so much more universal and open...

[soap box.. stepping down now.]

thanks wilby,

jeanna
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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #39 on: July 16, 2009, 08:04:35 PM »
@all

I hooked my scope up to the earth battery and get no readings at all except for some slight ripples in the wave.


Anyone have an idea whey my scope shows almost noting? Its got fresh battery's.

Thanks!

-Altrez
Hi Altrez,
It is the range.

Once you see the ripples click the up arrow until the range shows Mv like 50MV range, then
Switch to the right arrow for a while. then up again.
Once in range you will get all those.

Unless of course that rms instead of peak to peak etc. is displayed or
the ground dc switch got turned on and the ac is off. That is a toggle with a short pulse with your thumb.

Let me know if it still isn't working,

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #40 on: July 16, 2009, 08:14:15 PM »
Hi Altrez,
It is the range.

Once you see the ripples click the up arrow until the range shows Mv like 50MV range, then
Switch to the right arrow for a while. then up again.
Once in range you will get all those.

Unless of course that rms instead of peak to peak etc. is displayed or
the ground dc switch got turned on and the ac is off. That is a toggle with a short pulse with your thumb.

Let me know if it still isn't working,

jeanna

Ok so all i need to do is turn on the scope. Hit the Div button. Press up until I see the small ripples and then hit left?

I am sure its looking for AC should I change it to look for DC?

Thanks!

-Altrez

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #41 on: July 16, 2009, 08:28:15 PM »

I think the second waveform is the most interesting in that, you can see as I tune it in, there are 3 distinct overlapping waves in a braided rope like form and then, with the right adjustments (thanks Jim) I was able to freeze the wave and you can clearly see it.  This amazes me.

Bill
Thanks for posting that video. I knew we would all be glad when you got your scope up n running!
Thanks Jim for helping Bill, too.

I get the braided rope too, but when I freeze it, I don't see more than a single wave. I just assumed it was too quick for my eyes.
I think I will go out and see what is happening in the heat of the noonday sun. (Photons with blue sky background are what make it possible for me to catch it on my camera.)

jeanna


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #42 on: July 16, 2009, 08:36:42 PM »
Ok so all i need to do is turn on the scope. Hit the Div button. Press up until I see the small ripples and then hit left?
left first only if there is no x axis.
Right after you get the x axis,
Up to get the ripples and up more to get them nice and tall,
then right to see them closer in and spread the wave out a bit.
I get the smooth curve at the 2us spot = all the way to the right. but I cannot start there. There will be no x axis.
Quote
I am sure its looking for AC should I change it to look for DC?
No AC is what you DO want.
I was trying to think of the things that have stopped me.
I always check for AC if I am not getting what I think I should get.

The rms instead of peak to peak is also a sure killer.

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #43 on: July 16, 2009, 08:40:02 PM »
left first only if there is no x axis.
Right after you get the x axis,
Up to get the ripples and up more to get them nice and tall,
then right to see them closer in and spread the wave out a bit.
I get the smooth curve at the 2us spot = all the way to the right. but I cannot start there. There will be no x axis.No AC is what you DO want.
I was trying to think of the things that have stopped me.
I always check for AC if I am not getting what I think I should get.

The rms instead of peak to peak is also a sure killer.

jeanna

How do I make sure its not RMS? Is there a way to make sure its peak to peak?

Thank you :)

-Altrez


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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #44 on: July 16, 2009, 09:00:12 PM »
How do I make sure its not RMS? Is there a way to make sure its peak to peak?

Thank you :)

-Altrez
There is hardly anything today. I just went out.
I will post my shots in a minute.
The screen will tell you if it is reading rms or peak to peak but you just need to look.
If you still cannot see it after you look closely at your screen, um maybe a pic, but I have a hard time seeing the digital numbers on a pic.

I want to post my pix of today first. This may be just what you are getting too.

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
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