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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #105 on: July 19, 2009, 07:47:50 PM »
@ Bill and Jeanna

after taking another look at the JT circuits
its not really the construction of the joule-thief that confuses me..

its more the functionality..  what seperates this from any other I/C circuit with a transistor??

i dont understand what exactly it is "supposed to do"?

What i see is a time variance on a DC input, such that its only "on" a % of the time that it would normally be without the JT.  The result is a quick-pulsed DC, which draws less on the battery than a solid input.  what im missing here, is evidence of any "energy gain"... and thus how would such a JT circuit help us in increasing the energy of an earth battery??

you can't run a white led from a 1.5V (or lower) source. that is what the jt is supposed to do.
i don't think there is any 'increase' in energy with a jt, it's a blocking oscillator, it's basically trading amps for volts. i think that's what you were asking?

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #106 on: July 19, 2009, 09:51:59 PM »
@ Bill and Jeanna

after taking another look at the JT circuits
its not really the construction of the joule-thief that confuses me..

its more the functionality..  what seperates this from any other I/C circuit with a transistor??

i dont understand what exactly it is "supposed to do"?

What i see is a time variance on a DC input, such that its only "on" a % of the time that it would normally be without the JT.  The result is a quick-pulsed DC, which draws less on the battery than a solid input.  what im missing here, is evidence of any "energy gain"... and thus how would such a JT circuit help us in increasing the energy of an earth battery??

Wilby is right but I think there is more there.  Yes, part of it is that the power is pulsed so fast you can't detect it with your eye so you think the light is on 100% of the time when it is not, which adds greatly to the efficiency of the circuit....but...there is a gain and I have experienced it first hand.  Not OU type gain but, when mated to my EB, which can only light an led with nothing else in the circuit, and a supercap, it can light 400 leds or two 48" tubes.  Now, I realized both of those light can light up with mostly volts but, you need some power as well there is some available.

I agree about the 3-phase with 3 different waves in the EB.  Maybe what is happening in my situation is that the JT sets up a series of pulses which may establish some sort of near resonance with one or more of the phases so we can pump more power out of the EB that we otherwise could.  Maybe my set-up is like the poor, ignorant man's version of what Kapandze is doing but I am not tuned to any perfect resonance of any of the 3 phases.

I am just making a theory here, nothing more.  I have been thinking about this ever since I was able to light up some larger stuff using the JT circuits.  And now, having seen Kapandze's work (He is the Russian 5kW guy) and mine and other's waveforms, I think this might be a possible explanation.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #107 on: July 20, 2009, 01:42:53 AM »

@ pirate

there were several things i noticed on the russian vid that told me this is an mmf function unlike the joule thief which is an emf function tesla statend either effect was usable.

the n machine was a tesla invention originally it produces allot or should i say thousands of amps but only produces minimal voltage the video showed very large cables this is an indication of high current not high voltage both the radiator and water pipe contain high negative charge carriers as these flow they gain more by faradays law of magnetic fields.

in contrast the JT uses very small wire to gain if the cross sectional area is small it limits current it does not flow at 12v a 30 guage wire will pass all the voltage but will not pass much current at 0 guage you can move allot of current to the point where battery voltage will drop to nothing yet hunrdeds of amps are flowing.

this is my two cents for those that get it.
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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #108 on: July 20, 2009, 03:12:12 AM »
I made a leetle .mov
This should open in quicktime.
It is as close to the wave as I can get.
I will post some other jpegs in a minute. I just want to see if this works.
Now, I had 0.98volts show on the dmm.
The wave was very active this afternoon. The blue sky helps the picture. I cannot modify the contrast on this and keep the size small enough.
Between the markers which is sometimes a whole wave, the time is 0.2uS or a frequency of 2.5MHz.
lets see.

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #109 on: July 20, 2009, 03:33:57 AM »
Here are a couple more pictures of my EB today... July 19,09.
These are from various distances = resolutions.
Starting with the full wave. This looks like some jim first posted.
Then a little closer then the closest which is 2.5MHz between markers.

EDIT
I am not  exchanging the wholewave pic for one with the markers showing that the large form of the wave is 25KHz. But that is what it is. I just checked and took another pic, but it won't matter.

The name of each pic reflects the amount of time between the markers and the last 2 are correct. The first is too small to get the markers in there, but this larger wave which is not the little ones is 25khz.
I can prove it with a pic, but they would be out of order if I did that.
ok?

jeanna
« Last Edit: July 20, 2009, 05:51:14 AM by jeanna »

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #110 on: July 20, 2009, 05:29:03 AM »
...what separates this from any other I/C circuit with a transistor??

i dont understand what exactly it is "supposed to do"?

What i see is a time variance on a DC input, such that its only "on" a % of the time that it would normally be without the JT.  ..
Hi Sm0ky2,
I will add my 2 cents to Bills. We are doing different things with our joule thief circuits, so you can get 2 different views here.

I am never using the joule thief as the patent describes.
I keep forgetting to mention that in my posts, so I apologize for that.

I am only using the secondary to do anything I do.

So, if I am lighting 10 or 18 leds in series or a neon or a fluorescent bulb, it is always and only from the secondary.

I have been trying out different ways to wind both the bifilar primary and the secondary.
I also have been studying using an additional secondary and what that does.
I have been able to turn on leds from 2 different secondaries simultaneously but it took an additional inductor  placed into both secondary circuits to do that.
Now, it is starting to look a lot like some of tesla's circuits.
I am using a transistor instead of a condenser and spark discharge to make the pulses, but the effect is similar.

Got any scope shots for us?  ;)

jeanna

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #111 on: July 20, 2009, 07:21:24 AM »
unfortunately i dont own a scope....

else i'd be playing around with phase modulation right now, as i think this is necessary for the advancement of what we are trying to do in this thread.. it may be possible with an RC-type control circuit, or garagedoor opener kind of thing.... similar in functionality to changing the amplitude of an AM/HAM Radio signal.

most i could do right now, is break out the DMM, but i think theres already plenty of data like that readily available from various locations..

i'm actually holding off on digging holes in my rented yard until we come up with a repeatable process that can take this thing to the next level.



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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #112 on: July 20, 2009, 09:00:27 AM »
@ Doug1

Hello Doug, welcome to the EB forum.

That was an interresting 1st post you have there.

jim

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #113 on: July 20, 2009, 09:10:12 AM »
@ Altrez,
Well,,,, what can I say, filling a cap with earth energy and feeding it via JT to boost it to 12v then run a UPS from it,
I bet you needed a cup of tea to settle the nerves lol. (excitement).

your right though, lets get the EB to run full time and then we will be getting somewhere.

@ALL,
My LED is still on, bairly glowing just as I showed on yesterdays photo.

Now all I have to do is experiment with some copper pipes and zinc nails or bolts, got to buy some bolts at the hardware shop in town this weekend, I'll get some good size ones.

I'll look for some 4" copper tubeing or sheet copper to roll a tube.

jim

@Bill,
all this is going in 1 direction, as I see, back to the beginning, we needed to take this trip from NS forum, to JT forum EB forum, without either of them we wouldnt be where we are today.

Thanks Bill.
 
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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #113 on: July 20, 2009, 09:10:12 AM »
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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #114 on: July 20, 2009, 09:22:28 AM »
Jim:

As you know, I agree 100%!  I said long ago even before I "knew" anything that I believed a lot of the OU topics here are all related and as it turns out....they are.

Without the EB topics i would be nowhere.  Without the JT topic I would still be where I was with the EB 2 years ago, and now with the Kapandze topic and your topic idea here, I would have never known what my EB waveform looked like.

I have shown photos of my EB waveform to a few electronics guys I know over here and they all said they have never seen anything like that before.  One guy even suggested that my used scope was "bad" because he said you can't have a wave that has jagged edges like that.  I told him that this means a lot of my friends must have "bad" scopes as well because their waveforms look exactly like mine do.

Thank you Jim.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #115 on: July 20, 2009, 09:42:01 AM »
@Martin,

 
@ pirate

there were several things i noticed on the russian vid that told me this is an mmf function unlike the joule thief which is an emf function tesla statend either effect was usable.

the n machine was a tesla invention originally it produces allot or should i say thousands of amps but only produces minimal voltage the video showed very large cables this is an indication of high current not high voltage both the radiator and water pipe contain high negative charge carriers as these flow they gain more by faradays law of magnetic fields.

in contrast the JT uses very small wire to gain if the cross sectional area is small it limits current it does not flow at 12v a 30 guage wire will pass all the voltage but will not pass much current at 0 guage you can move allot of current to the point where battery voltage will drop to nothing yet hunrdeds of amps are flowing.

this is my two cents for those that get it.
Martin
I got it, as I have been saying all along, pulse a 1000 amps at .001volts into a transformer the primary consisting of 1-2 turns, if the secondary has 1000tuens, then out pops voltage and almost no amperage.

jim

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #116 on: July 20, 2009, 10:00:00 AM »
@smOky2,
unfortunately i dont own a scope....

else i'd be playing around with phase modulation right now, as i think this is necessary for the advancement of what we are trying to do in this thread.. it may be possible with an RC-type control circuit, or garagedoor opener kind of thing.... similar in functionality to changing the amplitude of an AM/HAM Radio signal.

most i could do right now, is break out the DMM, but i think theres already plenty of data like that readily available from various locations..

i'm actually holding off on digging holes in my rented yard until we come up with a repeatable process that can take this thing to the next level.
Make a flowerbed and hide the EB it in there, put some garden lights up to confuse those who think its a flower bed, mabe a vegie come flower bed.

They will grow well, you will have the best tasting vegies around.

jim

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #117 on: July 20, 2009, 10:05:53 AM »
@All,
This thread is creating some interrest, there have been 864 hits so far, and we are just in the 12 P.

jim

Almost forgot, well done with the very small .mov file jeanna

Some of those waves are just like mine I see here.
I took a quick look at my scopes just before, the wave form has plateaued out a bit.

jim

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #118 on: July 20, 2009, 10:53:58 AM »
Jim:

I will try to take some more scope shots, possibly tomorrow.  We have clear sky and very cold temps here so this might eliminate the local lightning effect if indeed that is what those spikes were.

You are correct when you said in the beginning that it is one thing to take a scope shot "right now" with the EB but then, a few minutes, or hours later, it could and probably will be different.

I will try to compile a bunch of them and record the location, times and weather conditions.

Bill

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Re: Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments
« Reply #119 on: July 20, 2009, 02:28:04 PM »
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Maybe what is happening in my situation is that the JT sets up a series of pulses which may establish some sort of near resonance with one or more of the phases so we can pump more power out of the EB that we otherwise could
So are you saying the JT was hooked up when you got this waveform?

 

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