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Author Topic: batteries without metal electrodes and just cheap graphite and TiO2  (Read 33597 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Hi All,
IBpointless has made a battery from just a pencil and paper and water.
See here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEnTTUvYWaQ

I have tried also to make a battery without metal electrodes.

Try to use one graphite rod or plate or pencil as the one electrode
and as the other electrode mix TiO2 with graphite powder and water and put it onto a microscope glas plate as a thin surface layer and heat this with a candle and its carbon black output, so it gets dry.
This will produce about 0.2 to 0.3 volts per cell. So the Titandioxid helps !

Watch out, that the glas does not shatter from the heat, you can also do
it without the glas, but I did it this way.

These put not out much current, but if you stack them up in series , you can at least get
a good voltage, if you put 50 or 100 in series.
This then should be enough to run a Joule Thief and run a few LEDs.
The good thing is, that it does not consume anything, just the water and some air...

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: batteries without metal electrodes and just cheap graphite and TiO2
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2011, 03:17:16 AM »
Hi All,
IBpointless has made a battery from just a pencil and paper and water.
See here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEnTTUvYWaQ

I have tried also to make a battery without metal electrodes.

Try to use one graphite rod or plate or pencil as the one electrode
and as the other electrode mix TiO2 with graphite powder and water and put it onto a microscope glas plate as a thin surface layer and heat this with a candle and its carbon black output, so it gets dry.
This will produce about 0.2 to 0.3 volts per cell. So the Titandioxid helps !

Watch out, that the glas does not shatter from the heat, you can also do
it without the glas, but I did it this way.

These put not out much current, but if you stack them up in series , you can at least get
a good voltage, if you put 50 or 100 in series.
This then should be enough to run a Joule Thief and run a few LEDs.
The good thing is, that it does not consume anything, just the water and some air...

Regards, Stefan.


Yes these cells are really amazing. Since graphite is not a metal it can't rust like the water batteries that used dissimilar metals. I've made great progress with these types of cells. My latest cells don't corrode even when i use a metal such as aluminum. I leave the cells shorted out all the time and as long as you have water they produce voltage.

I've come a long way now with them, I've got cells now that don't consume the graphite or aluminum. The water doesn't evaporate anymore and I've been able to remove the air and the cells continue to work. The design is simple, Two plates placed in distilled water. You can use tap water but I suggest only using graphite plates instead any other metal due the minerals in the tap water.

The question that i can't figure out is why does this produce a voltage? If you search around the internet you'll find that the same metals don't produce a galvanic reaction and thus no voltage, but you do get a voltage from same metals in water.


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Re: batteries without metal electrodes and just cheap graphite and TiO2
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2011, 04:01:11 AM »

Yes these cells are really amazing. Since graphite is not a metal it can't rust like the water batteries that used dissimilar metals. I've made great progress with these types of cells. My latest cells don't corrode even when i use a metal such as aluminum. I leave the cells shorted out all the time and as long as you have water they produce voltage.

I've come a long way now with them, I've got cells now that don't consume the graphite or aluminum. The water doesn't evaporate anymore and I've been able to remove the air and the cells continue to work. The design is simple, Two plates placed in distilled water. You can use tap water but I suggest only using graphite plates instead any other metal due the minerals in the tap water.

The question that i can't figure out is why does this produce a voltage? If you search around the internet you'll find that the same metals don't produce a galvanic reaction and thus no voltage, but you do get a voltage from same metals in water.

Very nice work.  You can get voltage from the same metals when placed in the ground as we discovered on the earth battery topic.  I cut a copper tube into 2 sections so I knew it was the same composition and placed them in the ground and got both volts and mA's out of them.  With your set-up, I would have guessed that it was the minerals in the water but, if using distilled water, I have no idea where this is coming from.

I hope more folks explore this.  I look forward to seeing more of your work.

Bill

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Re: batteries without metal electrodes and just cheap graphite and TiO2
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2011, 04:20:52 AM »
Very nice work.  You can get voltage from the same metals when placed in the ground as we discovered on the earth battery topic.  I cut a copper tube into 2 sections so I knew it was the same composition and placed them in the ground and got both volts and mA's out of them.  With your set-up, I would have guessed that it was the minerals in the water but, if using distilled water, I have no idea where this is coming from.

I hope more folks explore this.  I look forward to seeing more of your work.

Bill

Thanks, I do remember reading that in the earth battery form. John Bedini has a form on his earth cells and i made mention to him to use only aluminum instead of two dissimilar metals. John Bedini says he's getting power too from his type earth cells/crystal battery using the same metal with distilled water.


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Re: batteries without metal electrodes and just cheap graphite and TiO2
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2011, 07:29:33 PM »
I've got my new design for smaller cells working just as good as the bigger one. I find that when making any same metal cells that you must short them out for at least a day, it seems that shorting them is like charging them. I'll be posting a new YouTube video soon showing and talking about the newer smaller cells.

I really can't wait to start having these cells lighting LED's but I find it most important to perfect the cells first before getting ahead of myself with powering anything. Everything is different with these cells, shorting them out is like charging them and letting them sit not hooked to anything is like draining them of their charge.


I do have some golden rule that must be follow if you wan't to make the cells that will last for a long time. These rules can change when further improvements occur.

-You must use the same metals or only graphite, mixing metals gives a galvanic reaction and that will destroy the plates.
- The plates must be flat and solid, no dings or dents or even holes.
- Distilled water works best because it lacks the minerals that could destroy the plates, graphite does hold nice to the tap water.
- The cell must be sealed and filled completely to the top with distilled water. Being sealed doesn't allow the water evaporate or allow air to come in.
- they must be shorted out in order for them to get a good charge. 
- Don't hook them to a battery that has a higher charge on it, doing this might oxide one of the plates and hurt the pure results you're going after.


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Re: batteries without metal electrodes and just cheap graphite and TiO2
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Re: batteries without metal electrodes and just cheap graphite and TiO2
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2011, 11:38:18 PM »
Great find !
But how does it generate any voltage, if there only 2 equal metals and water ?
And how much voltage ?

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Re: batteries without metal electrodes and just cheap graphite and TiO2
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2011, 01:04:04 AM »
Great find !
But how does it generate any voltage, if there only 2 equal metals and water ?
And how much voltage ?

I don't know how it gets voltage. It could be getting the same voltage that a capacitor gets when it's been shorted out for days and for some reason bounces back with voltage. Or could be that there's electricity in water, water is diamagnetic and can be used as a dielectric; electret's use dielectrics and electret's like to be shorted out too. So water could be a electret? Its really a mystery right now.

As for how much voltage it can depend. I've got some cells get as low as 25mV and i got some cells that go over 200mV.

I will be posting a video soon of one of my 200mV cell.

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Re: batteries without metal electrodes and just cheap graphite and TiO2
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2011, 04:55:58 AM »
ibepointless2:

Question.  Have you ever tried using 2 separate containers of water?  What I mean is, instead of having the 2 electrodes in the same "bath", have you tried 2 different containers to see what happens?  (One electrode in each container) For some reason, I have a feeling that the mA's may increase using this approach. Of course, you may not get any at all.

I still have my 2 large carbon rods from my earth battery experiments and, since I am broke, I was thinking of digging them up to try some things like what you are doing.  These are very large and have a lot of surface area.  100% pure carbon.

I have told several local folks about your work over here and the response is..."Well that should not happen".  This is the type of response I always love to get, ha ha.

Bill

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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2011, 03:58:50 PM »
ibepointless2:

Question.  Have you ever tried using 2 separate containers of water?  What I mean is, instead of having the 2 electrodes in the same "bath", have you tried 2 different containers to see what happens?  (One electrode in each container) For some reason, I have a feeling that the mA's may increase using this approach. Of course, you may not get any at all.

I still have my 2 large carbon rods from my earth battery experiments and, since I am broke, I was thinking of digging them up to try some things like what you are doing.  These are very large and have a lot of surface area.  100% pure carbon.

I have told several local folks about your work over here and the response is..."Well that should not happen".  This is the type of response I always love to get, ha ha.

Bill


I haven't tried the two separate containers you have stated, If each plate is in a different container then how can they make a voltage? I have taken my cells and put them in series. The plates must be connected by water some how and they only way i see your idea working is if you use a salt bridge but i don't recommend salt for it will destroy the pureness of the distilled water. to increase amps I've found that if you increase the surface are of the plates will help.

You don't need money to really try this experiment. Most of the stuff you might have already. All you need is aluminum foil, a cup, and distilled water ( Walmart sells a gallon of water for a dollar. Cut out some aluminum foil strips and fill the cup up with distilled water and then short the plates out for a day and see the voltage. If you want instant results use tap water from the, but the minerals in tap will destroy the plates when the water evaporates. To stop the evaporation place plastic wrap on  top of the cup with a rubber band to seal the plastic wrap to the cup. Its really a cheap experiment and graphite is not needed, but graphite seems holds up the best. Also sorting them out is very important, its how it recharges it self.

I know what you mean about people saying this is impossible, and i love when people tell me something is impossible.  :)   
If you search around on the internet everywhere they will tell you that this impossible, besides the forms and blogs I've created about this effect. Searching for "same metal water battery", "similar metal water battery", or "water captret" will bring up my study of this. I find that most people say this impossible or they just don't care. I find it great that I'm doing the impossible and even had cells that produce more power over time here's a video of it here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi2KOr26WZw

My latest video is here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY7r3DVPzo4

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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2011, 04:05:47 PM »
I was sitting in class listen to my professor about radio waves and microwaves. I started to think about the microwaves that we use to cook food, and they use microwaves to vibrate the water in food so that it heats up. The microwave is giving energy to water and this might be one of the ways its getting voltage. The microwaves in the air or radio waves could be giving the cells their power. I don't think this is the true way it gets it power but only a theory. I still don't know why the cells work but they do.

Another idea i had was that water is a electret. Water evaporates in the air and is exposed to high voltage lighting and then falls and thus you have water as electret. My cells and electret like being shorted out and water is a dielectric so that one of the conclusion i also drawn but again this is also a theory.

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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2011, 04:30:55 PM »
I'm still making progress with these cells. I and many others have thought that I was getting electricity from the potential that exist between the two different size plates. I've done experiments with plates that are exactly the same and i still get voltage from the cells. I knew that i could never cut the aluminum foil plates the same size so instead i used manufactured aluminum nails. The nails are all the same and much easier to deal with when i use them in my straw cells.

So the voltage is not coming from the difference of the size of the plates. So where might it be coming from? It is either from the water or from the radiant temp of the air around it or the water temp. I have heated water up to boiling and i did get around 400mV in one cell of water, thats a around a 400% increase in voltage. As for amps they deal with the size of the plates themselves.

right now i can't confirm that these cells will last forever since water is the universal solvent. These can last for a really long time while given a load and are very friendly to the environment, its just water and aluminum. I've have one cell that has passed the 360 hour dead short test and the cell still looks new, I like to see any battery do that! I for see these cells lasting years, and when or if they do die they're highly recyclable. You can't get any more green with these same metal water battery.

I do have a blog that talks only about these same metal water batteries. found here : http://samemetalwaterbattery.blogspot.com/


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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2011, 05:21:24 PM »
These are really fascinating; thanks for sharing ib.

There may be a reason in terms of quantum electrodynamics why this would work, but if there is, I certainly don't know it!

Cheers


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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2011, 10:10:37 PM »
ibepointless2:

One way to rule out your microwave theory or other RF as a source of the energy would be to see if it still works in a Faraday cage.  You can make one easily or, if your experiment will fit, just use your microwave oven...not turned on of course, ha ha.

I always love stuff like because, as you have already shown, it can be scaled up.  With your discovery that heat increase voltage, these cells could be set outside in the sun inside some black box to gather heat and your output is increased for free.

A lot of possibilities here.  Very nice work indeed.  I can't wait to be able to try this.

Bill

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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2011, 12:13:17 AM »
ibepointless2:

One way to rule out your microwave theory or other RF as a source of the energy would be to see if it still works in a Faraday cage.  You can make one easily or, if your experiment will fit, just use your microwave oven...not turned on of course, ha ha.

I always love stuff like because, as you have already shown, it can be scaled up.  With your discovery that heat increase voltage, these cells could be set outside in the sun inside some black box to gather heat and your output is increased for free.

A lot of possibilities here.  Very nice work indeed.  I can't wait to be able to try this.

Bill


I just tested one cell in a Faraday cage (microwave oven) and it still produces power.

Yes there's a lot of possibilities here with these cells! I just wish I knew where the power was coming from.


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« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2011, 12:49:17 AM »
I'm coming to a realization that I just can't "willy-nilly" put plates in distilled water and expect it to work. Each plate which is aluminum wire act different to other plates. I find that I must match the plates up to get the best performance out of them. Even though the aluminum wire for each plate comes from the same reel of aluminum wire when they're cut the take on their own life.

Here's a video of what i'm trying to talk about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMK554Doa4Q

In the video i'm producing close to 700mV, thats as powerful as some galvanic cells! The key is to find plates that best match each other.

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