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Offline neptune

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #30 on: December 25, 2010, 04:41:04 PM »
@ Arkresearch , any chance of a link to the Brian Prater story please ?

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #31 on: December 25, 2010, 05:39:27 PM »
Merry Christmas you all.    Thank you for the video and your efforts.   Are there any replications being attempted?
Don't throw out the baby with the bath water,  how very much we can save just using what we have discovered.
Onward!    Build something, don't just complain.  This mountain needs all us moving, thinking, building, sharing.  An Stephan this does look real to me also.   Mark thanks for the info too.


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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #32 on: December 25, 2010, 06:23:00 PM »
A summary:

1) The ANTON cell is nothing too special, and it is an open source design. Still not sure where, how, or from whom one can purchase one.

2) 800 to 900 Watts of input power is required to generate enough HHO from the ANTON cell to operate the generator. Apparently, the generator's ICE consumes about 6 LPM.

3) The generator has a 1000W output capacity.

4) How/where is there enough "gain" in the system to both run the generator and power a 400W load, especially in light of the inefficiency of the generator and it's ICE engine?

5) It would seem that any "gain" would show up as a marked decrease in the required input power, either due to an overunity electrolysis cell, and/or overunity HHO combustion process due to the custom ignition system. Yet the input power required for the 6 LPM does align well with the expected HHO production.

6) So where is all this gain?

7) One possibility allowing for less apparent gain, is that the 400W bulb is only receiving 100 to 200 Watts of power, not 400W. However, even if the ICE and generator were 100% efficient, there still has to be a slight gain in the HHO production.

8] This would still be a huge achievement if it turns out to be authentic. Perhaps the key is indeed in the ignition, since that seems to be the only place a significant modification has been done.

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #33 on: December 25, 2010, 06:59:12 PM »
Merry Cristmas .
The Vid was done in Summer 2010.
Oliver and Valentin build this setup to show that there is no hidden Cable or extern source of power supply.
Until now Oliver did refuse to show the Vid to others , because he want produce a better Vid, where the Lamp did not brake.
The problem with tis setup was, that the rpms are very difficult to regulate.
There is no carburator in use. The hho Gas goes directly to the flange near the inlet valve. The only way to regulate the speed is by regulate the elektrolyser ( Anton ). Alternative one can adjust the spark timing.
One can not feed the Gas into the Carburator. Other ways to realise a speed control are in development.
If one is interestet to have one of this Generators, it is no problem to do a replication. All Informations are free available via overu.....de Forum.
The cost for such chinese Generator are not to high.
Some replication are in use all ready.
 Feel free to read in the german Forum, or ask your Questions.

But if one came to blame Oliver or Valetin to be cheaters ,or blaming for fakes, better stay here and do not waist our time.
Such fellows we have enough in Germany.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvSbJ9mG4Tk

Helmut

p.s.  here is a better link     
http://www.youtube.com/user/banditforfreedom
« Last Edit: December 25, 2010, 07:36:40 PM by helmut »


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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #34 on: December 25, 2010, 07:20:14 PM »
Helmut
Good to see you !!
You put a big smile on my face with that post!
Happy Holidays !
And so it begins!
Chet

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #34 on: December 25, 2010, 07:20:14 PM »
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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #35 on: December 25, 2010, 08:10:48 PM »
Oliver and Valentin build this setup to show that there is no hidden Cable or extern source of power supply.
Until now Oliver did refuse to show the Vid to others The problem with tis setup was, that the rpms are very difficult to regulate.
There is no carburator in use. The hho Gas goes directly to the flange near the inlet valve. The only way to regulate the speed is by regulate the elektrolyser ( Anton ). Alternative one can adjust the spark timing.
If one is interestet to have one of this Generators, it is no problem to do a replication. All Informations are free available via overu.....de Forum.
The cost for such chinese Generator are not to high.
Some replication are in use all ready.
 Feel free to read in the german Forum, or ask your Questions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvSbJ9mG4Tk

Helmut

http://www.youtube.com/user/banditforfreedom

Thanks for the reply...so there are others running closed looped? If so where or how many?
Many people have a copy of this video already (I have one for several months)
So all tnstructions are avaialvle including all engine modifications open source?
I am happy to be made a fool of but these questions remain, especially when they are so reluctant to have basic tests done like exhaust gas analysis.
Thanks for your post , all information is always most welcome, I gather you have direct contact with them?
Kind regards
Mark

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #36 on: December 25, 2010, 09:36:08 PM »
Thanks for the reply...so there are others running closed looped? If so where or how many?
Many people have a copy of this video already (I have one for several months)
So all tnstructions are avaialvle including all engine modifications open source?
I am happy to be made a fool of but these questions remain, especially when they are so reluctant to have basic tests done like exhaust gas analysis.
Thanks for your post , all information is always most welcome, I gather you have direct contact with them?
Kind regards
Mark

Hello Mark
Perhaps a exhaust gas analysis will be made one time. We know that water is the only source of energy. Shure one will find some carbon  because of the lubrication oil. But now there is more development important to build a working speed control. A second problem ist the ignition system. Some members are working with different systems to switch off the waistet sparc.
There are a lot of other vids.
I guess they will be kept hidden until the system is fit for public presentation. I know from guys in austria, they have a working Generator as well.
As next the team is working on another scale, where the Motor has a bigger flywheel , and a professional ignition system.
But every step needs its time

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #37 on: December 25, 2010, 09:50:27 PM »
Hi again,
i agree some carbons in the exhaust from oil, but how do you know water is the only source.
Mant people including myself have had engines running on HHO for years , not that hard to change ignition.
So is the austrian one closed loop?
many thanks.
I have dealt with many people making many claims for many years. Soome have had a lot of publicity and others are unknown...but I have yet to have one seen closed looped that have alloud people to do basic tests.
It is so easy to cheat...you can even coat the plates with some oil or add alcahol to the wateri n the bubble. Not hard to do at all.
I hope the Anton group are sincere but there reluctance to allow others to do basic measurements is of a great concern to me.
I was excited when I first saw the video, but as time went by it asked more questions than answered.
Mark

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #38 on: December 26, 2010, 01:06:36 AM »
Hi group,

Merry Christmas

Regarding the little generator;

Looks like all they are missing is a stock *LP Demand regulator* and the breather below the air filter. Remount the carburetor, for its governor linked throttle butterfly valve. Use a stock LP breather and stock LP mix valve. Last will be a small pressure chamber on the cell side of the demand reg. Maybe a pressure limit switch. At 12 inches of water???

The Pressure chamber could be made from a empty hand torch bottle, Clear plastic Jar or a Very small tire inner tube.  A rigid chamber will make the limit switch easy, and eliminate the variac.

Where is info on their cell and driver circuit?

Thanks!
DrSpark

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #39 on: December 26, 2010, 01:07:34 AM »
Where can I purchase the ANTON CELL here in AUSTRALIA ?

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #40 on: December 26, 2010, 03:29:16 AM »
With a sensor and magnet on the OHV Rocker - intake valve and a delay circuit you can do away with the gears..

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #41 on: December 26, 2010, 04:35:23 AM »
Oliver and Valentin are already working together with a testing facility and
will publish their results from a professional motor teststand in the upcoming new year.

Also it will be filmed all by a professional filmteam I was told.

As you can see from their Youtube channel at:
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrEntelecheia
they are doing it all very scientifically and use great measurement tools.

To the skeptics:

HHO does not burn,
it DOES DETONATE, this is very different versus a gasoline-air mixture,
thus it produces much more mechanical output.

Here is a supportive email from engineer Les Banki,
who is working on great HHO engine modification circuits:

Hi Stefan,

As for me, I ran a brand new (never had petrol in it!) 250cc engine 100% on water about 16 years ago.
(Several people were present and it was also video taped.)
Mind you, it was NOT a self running set up.
It was simply done to prove the point.
I knew it was a very, VERY, VERY crude and inefficient electrolyzer system but it still WORKED!

(You should have heard the various comments around me prior to that:  "Ha, ha....What an idiot Les is!  He thinks that an engine can run on water!", etc., etc.  Those very same people are no longer rubbishing the idea (or me) but are TRYING to do the same as I did all those years ago.)

Others, on the other hand, pointed out that I obviously had the technology already then to do "boosting".
Sure, I knew that too.
However, my attitude was (and still is, to this very day!) that:

I do not want to see even a single drop of petrol anywhere in or near the engine!!!!
In other words: for me, WATER or NOTHING!

OK.

I was out of that 'game' for more than 10 years but started up again about 4 years ago.
This time, I have a much more refined technology and I have designed (from scratch) a COMPLETE ECU
(Engine Control Unit) for single cylinder generator engines.

Why this was/is necessary is explained in one of my articles.

I have just finished the NEW Ignition/Injection control section AND the automatic RPM control which will bring the engine speed from idle to the correct RPM where the generator delivers approx. 240V at 50Hz and hold it there (but ONLY with the present load connected)!!!

Loosing the 400W load (lamp) in their set-up, Oliver & Valentine experienced a 'run-away' condition which just confirms the obvious need for RPM control.
Precise RPM control can only be achieved by FUEL INJECTION and a feed-back loop.  Period.

Yes, our generator engines are going to be fuel injected, (with Hydroxy ONLY)!

(And yes, I am now working on a design of just such a feed-back loop which will COMPLETE the ECU design!)

Those who have known me for many years will remember what I have been saying for years:

The key to success with engines running on HHO ONLY is two fold:
1.  Generate ENOUGH quality Hydroxy (HHO)
2.  Engine MANAGEMENT!!!

I am NOT the only one who is aware of this.

It should be obvious even to "blind Freddy" that Oliver and Valentine generate ENOUGH HHO.
I am sure you already know that only the usual, very vocal MORONS (saboteurs, paid or otherwise!, who have infested EVERY Forum, including yours!) kick, scream and argue, trying desperately to discredit!!
(This is the main reason why I hardly ever post in your Forum.  I am NOT going to waste my time and energy to argue with "dead beat morons".)

For the past 2 - 3 years, all my designs (circuit diagrams, circuit descriptions and pcb layouts) have been freely available for download from a couple of Forums on Internet.

I have now re-designed some of those circuits and those files will be replaced.
I also offer VERY detailed circuit descriptions (for EVERY circuit) and general articles which I have written to educate those who are interested in this technology.
(My writings alone are over 100 pages!)
There is still more work to be done.  Designing the printed circuit boards for the latest circuits, for example.
But that won't take very long.

About 6 weeks ago I bought a brand new 9kW Ducar (top brand!) petrol generator.  (electric and remote start!)
I also have 2 other generators, 1800W and 2000W.
All these will be used for testing my designs.

Yes, Stefan, I don't deny that I consider myself to be a TOP electronic design engineer!
(If I wasn't, I would never be able to design the ECU!)
Think about it: only engine manufacturer's engineers are engaged in this kind of work!

Well, enough 'raving'.
You may wonder why I am telling you all this.  (I leave it to you to figure it out!  :-) :-) )
Suffice to say that my work is free for anyone to use, private or commercial!
I would be very pleased if some people find my contributions useful!

I just hope to have enough time left in this 73 years old body to finish this project!
That is all I ask for.

Btw, if you see some benefit from publishing this email (or part of it) in your Forum, you are welcome to do so.

Best regards,
Les Banki


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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #42 on: December 26, 2010, 07:18:49 AM »
Hi group,

Merry Christmas

Regarding the little generator;

Looks like all they are missing is a stock *LP Demand regulator* and the breather below the air filter. Remount the carburetor, for its governor linked throttle butterfly valve. Use a stock LP breather and stock LP mix valve. Last will be a small pressure chamber on the cell side of the demand reg. Maybe a pressure limit switch. At 12 inches of water???

The Pressure chamber could be made from a empty hand torch bottle, Clear plastic Jar or a Very small tire inner tube.  A rigid chamber will make the limit switch easy, and eliminate the variac.

Where is info on their cell and driver circuit?

Thanks!

No speed hardware required! Engine speed easy regulated using Phase Comparator and PWM back to the cell.  The ignition sensor provides the engine timing.  Its a 5 component PCB! if the engine slows PWM increases, if too fast PWM slows. Only requires initial matching of generator to mid way point for the cell.




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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #43 on: December 26, 2010, 07:22:51 AM »
With a sensor and magnet on the OHV Rocker - intake valve and a delay circuit you can do away with the gears..

Whats wrong with existing ignition with a Divide by 2 Clock and 555 to give adjustable mono shot adjustable delay on a pot to advance timing? Now you got blanked spark as required and advanced ignition. Parts = 2 off 555 and div counter.


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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #44 on: December 26, 2010, 07:25:02 AM »
No need for 50 amp power supplies to start the system. How about ONE motor run cap and ONE bridge diode connect direct to wall plug now you got a 3kw DC starting PSU for about 8 bucks.

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