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Offline ramset

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #90 on: December 27, 2010, 02:07:21 PM »
Wow,
New faces,New ideas,Excellent

Lots going on ,Good stuff,The chance to learn something new!!
Perhaps this new year really will be NEW?
Like a breath of fresh air!!
Speaking of which ,I'm not lucky enough to live in the south like Rebecca ,I got to go shovel some "fresh Snow"

Chet
« Last Edit: December 27, 2010, 02:28:03 PM by ramset »

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #91 on: December 27, 2010, 02:23:18 PM »
Wow,
New faces,

Lots going on ,Good stuff,The chance to learn something new!!
Perhaps this new year really will be NEW?
Like a breath of fresh air!!
Speaking of which ,I'm not lucky enough to live in the south like Rebecca ,I got to go shovel some "fresh Snow"

Chet

Ouch! I feel for you. Cold aggravates my titanium.

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #92 on: December 27, 2010, 04:11:53 PM »


I have stated a million times over several forums the plates of electrolytic cells can produce RE as if they were capacitive component within LC generator configuration specially in reverse induction exited generators ,so cop 12 reactive power can feed the electrolysis reaction producing gas quantity to self substain.

What's RE?

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #92 on: December 27, 2010, 04:11:53 PM »
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Offline ramset

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #93 on: December 27, 2010, 04:31:36 PM »


                    RE= Radiant Energy
                         

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #94 on: December 27, 2010, 04:48:52 PM »

                    RE= Radiant Energy
                         

What is that energy unknown to science?

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
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Offline questioneverything

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #95 on: December 27, 2010, 04:51:02 PM »
Heat, radio waves, cell signals, even the magnetic field around the power lines are forms of radiant energy. It's energy that's radiated instead of transmitted.

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #96 on: December 27, 2010, 05:17:41 PM »
Heat, radio waves, cell signals, even the magnetic field around the power lines are forms of radiant energy. It's energy that's radiated instead of transmitted.

The implication was that there's some other energy that Faraday's law of electrolysis cannot account for. No, there is no such energy even if you call it radiant energy.

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
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Offline questioneverything

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #97 on: December 27, 2010, 05:27:51 PM »
The implication was that there's some other energy that Faraday's law of electrolysis cannot account for. No, there is no such energy even if you call it radiant energy.

There is another energy he did not account for. When a di-pole is resonated it does have the ability to pull in outside energy from the quantum field. It's the entire grounds of scalar energy charging batteries.

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #98 on: December 27, 2010, 05:30:06 PM »
There is another energy he did not account for. When a di-pole is resonated it does have the ability to pull in outside energy from the quantum field. It's the entire grounds of scalar energy charging batteries.

No, there is no such energy. That's nonsense.

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #99 on: December 27, 2010, 06:08:36 PM »
We seem to be tripping over physics here, water electrolysis is conventionally overunity, the excess energy comes from environmental heat absorbtion, the theoretical maximum efficiency is 120%, the excess 20 % comes from this environmental heat. Commercial water electrolysis baths operate at close to 100% efficiency.

See this reference Penner and Icerman, Energy, volume 2 page 135, Addison Wesley 1975.

Conventional electrolysis  absorbs 68.315 kcal per mole of water electrolysed and is the Enthalpy change for this process.  The minimum energy required for electrolysis equals the the Gibbs free energy change. Which is related to the voltage E required to implement electrolysis.
E = dF/23064 n  volts  (23064 =96500/4.184)                1 calorie = 4.184 Joules
n = 2 number of electrons per joule of water electrolysed.
dF = 56620 cal/mole of water electrolysed.

Voltage for electrolysis E = 56620/23064*2 =1.23 volts at 300 degK

The energy efficiency of electrolysis at 300 deg Kelvin is 120% the extra twenty percent comes from external heat, (the electrolyte cools) also the ideal voltage at 300 deg K  is 1.23 volts and this potential falls with increased absolute temperature.
However:-
The enthalpy change dH for water electrolysis under standard temperature and pressure is
 68315 calories and
The voltage E for this
E= dH/23064n  = 68315/23064*2 = 1.48 volts at 300 deg K
This voltage is where the electrolysis is ideally 100% efficient and no heat is sucked from the environment. This is the so called thermo-neutral voltage

Unfortunately the converse is also true:- the hydroxyl fuel cell is theoretically 80% maximum efficiency.

So, for hydroxyl gas production towards 120% efficiency , clearly the cell should be operated around 1.25 volts and electrolyte concentration and plate area adjusted to give the required current.

Mike

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #100 on: December 27, 2010, 06:10:46 PM »
Helmut
Good to see you !!
You put a big smile on my face with that post!
Happy Holidays !
And so it begins!
Chet

Hi Chet
Sorry, that i answer to you late, but i was busy and just forgot
to reply during other activity.
I am happy to see you as well.And that someone remember me after beeig in other forums.

After i read all the reply i do not understand , where is the problem for others.
The proof of concept was done long time ago.
The only difference might be, that you can see it working in a closed loop.
Many others run there Heaters and or Motors on hho only, but they dont show it in public.
The reason is quite simple. Hundrets of interestet guys call and ask the same questions, and succing ones time, which is rare.
What i can tell you is: There is no fake.
And it is not a Perpetuum Mobile  and it is not Overunity!
Water is consumed !
100% Water goes in   and some Water comes out.
Water is consumed !
Perhaps it is difficult for the brainwashed to believe.
But thats the answer.
The electrolyser is named Anton.
Anton is made of a special design to be a modular set as well.
It is a goal , that anton module will be a fuelcell after a change of the design.
Anton is a concept for multiuse.
If one will be able to produce ones own fuel, than build yourselve a electrolyser or buy one.
Now it is possible to produce fuel on Demand.
It was possible 100 years ago, but the information was not available in public. Now it is.
This fuel is friendly for environment. This fuel is ready for the future.

Oliver and Valentin are buisy all day with many kind of developments.
There is no time to be waistet by doing Exhaust gas analysis.

Month ago , some came and ask , how many Lpm comes out the elektrolyser. Than a mesurement tool was buyd for some thausend euros.
Mesurements where done. Who payd for it? Oliver.
If one like to have a analysis, no problem, just buy one and bring it here. Than oliver will start the china generator and one can start mesurements.
But what will be the result?
The Elektrolyser is feedet with water . Thats it.
Led the mesurements do by the university. They will produce some more doctors. Thats it.

 The Change,that we are waiting for  is up to us.

helmut

p.s. sorry for my lousy english , hope one can understand.

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #100 on: December 27, 2010, 06:10:46 PM »
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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #101 on: December 27, 2010, 06:31:44 PM »
We seem to be tripping over physics here, water electrolysis is conventionally overunity, the excess energy comes from environmental heat absorbtion, the theoretical maximum efficiency is 120%, the excess 20 % comes from this environmental heat. Commercial water electrolysis baths operate at close to 100% efficiency.

See this reference Penner and Icerman, Energy, volume 2 page 135, Addison Wesley 1975.

Conventional electrolysis  absorbs 68.315 kcal per mole of water electrolysed and is the Enthalpy change for this process.  The minimum energy required for electrolysis equals the the Gibbs free energy change. Which is related to the voltage E required to implement electrolysis.
E = dF/23064 n  volts  (23064 =96500/4.184)                1 calorie = 4.184 Joules
n = 2 number of electrons per joule of water electrolysed.
dF = 56620 cal/mole of water electrolysed.

Voltage for electrolysis E = 56620/23064*2 =1.23 volts at 300 degK

The energy efficiency of electrolysis at 300 deg Kelvin is 120% the extra twenty percent comes from external heat, (the electrolyte cools) also the ideal voltage at 300 deg K  is 1.23 volts and this potential falls with increased absolute temperature.
However:-
The enthalpy change dH for water electrolysis under standard temperature and pressure is
 68315 calories and
The voltage E for this
E= dH/23064n  = 68315/23064*2 = 1.48 volts at 300 deg K
This voltage is where the electrolysis is ideally 100% efficient and no heat is sucked from the environment. This is the so called thermo-neutral voltage

Unfortunately the converse is also true:- the hydroxyl fuel cell is theoretically 80% maximum efficiency.

So, for hydroxyl gas production towards 120% efficiency , clearly the cell should be operated around 1.25 volts and electrolyte concentration and plate area adjusted to give the required current.

Mike

What you're saying is trivial. The problem is that for the enthalpy of burning to be greater than the input energy the process of electrolysis has to be carried out reversibly, that is spending only the Gibbs free energy difference. This means that the hydrogen and oxygen overvoltage has to be eliminated (let alone the Ohmic resistance). So far, I know of no published way to do that, so that only remains a theoretical possibility. Thus, the non-trivial part of the whole story is how to eliminate the overvoltage. I should say that there are ways to do that and I've done research in this direction which, obviously, should be continued.

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #102 on: December 27, 2010, 06:52:00 PM »
Helmut,
 
Thanks for the post... much appreciated.

I would like to remind all that there is no such thing as an OU device.

I guess anything can 'look' like OU... if you don't understand where the energy is coming from.
The Invention Secrecy Act of 1951 calls what we are looking for Novel Sources of Energy.

I prefer the term USE (Unrecognized Source or Energy)
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I claim to have noticed two possible USE phenomenon.

1. Magnetic Permeability... the phenom that a ferro material is made up of many magnetic dipoles (powered by free electron spin.)

                                         We utilize this energy every day.. yet do not recognize it as such.
                                          ie. A speaker with exchangeable magnets is going to produce a louder sound with a more powerful magnet.
             
2. Resonance.. the phenom that an object will store energy vibrationally and interact with the surrounding environment
                                     at an amplitude of vibration consistent with the energy the object is storing.       
 
                      ie. Two tuning forks ring louder and longer than one by means of feedback and the following.
                      The extra energy comes from the Molecular Motion, that was random (before Resonance) which becomes ordered.

3. If the Anton Cell uses either Resonance or a High Perm Core in a Transformer...
                                                      it is fairly certain that extra energy is  coming from the Termed USEs I have mentioned.
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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #103 on: December 27, 2010, 07:14:32 PM »
On the contrary, there is such a thing as OU device. Not the HHO, for the time being, though.

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #104 on: December 27, 2010, 08:19:53 PM »
On the contrary, there is such a thing as OU device.
this is simply hearsay from omni... take it with a pound of salt. then ask him to provide said ou device for vetting. ::)

 

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