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Author Topic: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output  (Read 312131 times)

Offline ramset

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #105 on: December 27, 2010, 08:36:59 PM »
Helmut,
You speak much better english than My German!

Please keep us posted ,this is great stuff!and lots of folks here like to hear from you!

@Les Banki
Thank you sir for sharing that info[reposted below],I will be sure to study!



Chet
« Last Edit: December 27, 2010, 08:57:51 PM by ramset »

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #106 on: December 27, 2010, 08:47:32 PM »
I think we are missing what is the definition of OU.

I like Tom Bearden's definition. He wrote a nice book explaining it in details: Energy from the Vaccum.

In the end OU is simply energy from sources that we just dont know yet, just like Omni said. It will eventually be well know and OU term will simply die. We all will be running our houses from "the wheel of nature" (Tesla words).

Fausto.

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #107 on: December 27, 2010, 08:53:29 PM »
Yes its a OU system!  The energy we put in is less then that provided by other sources.  Radiant Energy or water who cares. The excess is enough where its looped. If the energy transformed only from water it doesn't explain how the TPU and Kapanadze works when they don't need water. Better a common factor of Radiant Energy powers all three devices.

Its funny when you show people a COP>1 system they say "its a measurement error its not COP>1 if it is then you should be able to loop it" Guess what? This is a looped OU device!

400 watts DC yields about COP 3 without resonance via the energy contained within the HHO mix as its recombined within a spark. See Atomic Hydrogen Torches and as much as COP 12 with 3 phase resonance systems. So 3 * 400 = 1200 watts nett effective including RE. The are two things we know are instant energy debts here. The lamp 400 watts i think = 1200 - 400 = 800 watts and also the cell need 400 watts so i have 400 watts to run the engine and cover the alternator losses.  The alternator is going to lose perhaps 150 watts from mechanical to electrical so i got 250 watts left to keep the motor itself turning. Will it loop? YES! PS if the lamp is larger then its taken from this 250 watts.

The 250 watts is left within the system and keeps the motor and generator running overcoming the friction losses of the bearings, piston friction and valve gear to maintain about 3000 rpm.

The system is scalable the French did this years ago on 25kw genset it runs on pure water and provides like 10KW OU.
« Last Edit: December 27, 2010, 09:17:50 PM by bolt »

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #107 on: December 27, 2010, 08:53:29 PM »
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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #108 on: December 27, 2010, 09:46:23 PM »
I think we are missing what is the definition of OU.

The definition of "OU" is known at least for the last 165 years. Or since the foundation of the thermodynamics. The term "unity" relates with the out/in ratio of a "CLOSED system", the rest you can figure out for yourself...
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I like Tom Bearden's definition. He wrote a nice book explaining it in details: Energy from the Vaccum.

In the end OU is simply energy from sources that we just dont know yet, just like Omni said. It will eventually be well know and OU term will simply die. We all will be running our houses from "the wheel of nature" (Tesla words).

Fausto.

Just like the Omni said???
Yeah, stick with the Bot's "science" and you'll get the reward... Any day now. Soon.
 FFs..
« Last Edit: December 27, 2010, 10:12:56 PM by spinn_MP »

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #109 on: December 27, 2010, 09:52:49 PM »
No, no, listen to the clown @spinn_MP as to what science really is.

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #109 on: December 27, 2010, 09:52:49 PM »
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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #110 on: December 27, 2010, 10:05:30 PM »
No, no, listen to the clown @spinn_MP as to what science really is.
It's always fun to stumble upon your wisdom, OmniBot!

A clown?  Eh, you're just flattering me...

Btw, a point to your programmers! They're getting very innovative with those few lines of code...

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #111 on: December 27, 2010, 10:06:59 PM »
@helmut
many thanks for your post, your english is fine.
The exhaust gas analysis can be done on the spot by pprofessionals and will take less than 5 minutes of there time. Appart from the portable equipment that will be used a sample will be taken back to a testing facility and a full gas Spectrum Analysis conducted.
I would also suggest a sample be taken of the gas before it enters the engine.
So the offer is there, no charge and a lot can be gained from this analysis.
I have done such testing in the USA many times running engines with hydrogen injection with the assistance of cumbustion scientists.
Any researcher in this field would want to know these results.
In regards of measuring equipment it is not how much it sosts but how it is calibrted. A device calibrated for measuring hydrogen is completly different from one calibrated for hydrogen...combine both gases and you have a real headache. I know as i have purchased gas flow meters. I do not doubt there claimed output as it is within the realms of other cells commercially available.
I always found the displacement of water the best method.
i will give an example...Fast Freddy claimed 55 litres per minute at 700 watts when he measures with a flow meter. When he did his displacement test (on video ) at 200 watts he was only measureing 2 litres per minute using the displacement method.
So the offer is there...5 minutes, professional people with portable equipment and a further gas analysis conducted at a test lab.
Kind Regards
Mark

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #111 on: December 27, 2010, 10:06:59 PM »
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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #112 on: December 27, 2010, 10:12:09 PM »
It's always fun to stumble upon your wisdom, OmniBot!

A clown?  Eh, you're just flattering me...

Btw, a point to your programmers! They're getting very innovative with those few lines of code...

Hey, clown, here's another flattering note to you, clown.

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #113 on: December 27, 2010, 10:14:07 PM »
@helmut
many thanks for your post, your english is fine.
The exhaust gas analysis can be done on the spot by pprofessionals and will take less than 5 minutes of there time. Appart from the portable equipment that will be used a sample will be taken back to a testing facility and a full gas Spectrum Analysis conducted.
I would also suggest a sample be taken of the gas before it enters the engine.
So the offer is there, no charge and a lot can be gained from this analysis.
I have done such testing in the USA many times running engines with hydrogen injection with the assistance of cumbustion scientists.
Any researcher in this field would want to know these results.
In regards of measuring equipment it is not how much it sosts but how it is calibrted. A device calibrated for measuring hydrogen is completly different from one calibrated for hydrogen...combine both gases and you have a real headache. I know as i have purchased gas flow meters. I do not doubt there claimed output as it is within the realms of other cells commercially available.
I always found the displacement of water the best method.
i will give an example...Fast Freddy claimed 55 litres per minute at 700 watts when he measures with a flow meter. When he did his displacement test (on video ) at 200 watts he was only measureing 2 litres per minute using the displacement method.
So the offer is there...5 minutes, professional people with portable equipment and a further gas analysis conducted at a test lab.
Kind Regards
Mark

I second that.

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #113 on: December 27, 2010, 10:14:07 PM »
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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #114 on: December 27, 2010, 10:23:52 PM »
Clown?

Isn't that a word closely related with yourself over the past few years?

I wonder, will you ever be able to invent something original?

Like an original insult?
Lol...

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #115 on: December 27, 2010, 10:32:25 PM »
You need to get the definitions right; There is no such thing as overunity. There is only COP > 1.
Overunity is like saying 1 means really 3. But it IS possible to say 1 + 2 = 3.

COP > 1 is when you have one power source managing a device utilizing another source of energy to get more power.
Like the heatpump. You use your grid to power the pump to utilize the energy from the differences in temperature.

This HHO-test is the right way to do tests, but there is too many factors that makes the demo doubtable.
You have losses 3 times converting energy; first when using electricity to make chemical, then chemical to make mechanical, then mechanical to electricity. Bad motor, bad generator.. It is only a question how long this will run with the energy supplied initially. Triple that time, and you have a case.

Only time will make this test trueworthy... This test is only dependent of water. So with a small amount of water added from time to time, it should last for hours without problem... And the load on the ground before connecting it so it don't brake of course.

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #116 on: December 27, 2010, 10:43:52 PM »
Clown?

Isn't that a word closely related with yourself over the past few years?

I wonder, will you ever be able to invent something original?

Like an original insult?
Lol...

You @spinn_MP, is the clown. What are your contributions, clown? Original insults? Not really. Not even that.

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #117 on: December 27, 2010, 10:45:24 PM »
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Overunity is like saying 1 means really 3. But it IS possible to say 1 + 2 = 3.

No, it is not. Overunity is producing energy without extracting it from a pre-existing energy source.

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #118 on: December 27, 2010, 10:49:51 PM »
this thread is starting to resemble a conversation between a Rabbi, Buddist Monk and a Priest...with a scientist thrown in. (perhaps a clown or two)?
PS the argument re overunity is semantics. To me all that matters is
1. A system can run closed loop and produce excess usable energy(none exist I know of)
2. If water can be used as the only source of fuel (possible but nothing independently validated)
Everything else is just words
many anomalies exist...like black light power have recorded one where there is a clear event taking place...but in 10 years they have failed to apply engineering to put it to any use.
Mark

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #119 on: December 27, 2010, 10:51:48 PM »
Funny, let's hear from the Omnibot's mouth what an "over-unity" really is...

Remember, the creature claims that "OverUnity" has "already been proven beyond any reason of a doubt" - by him, of course, many times in the past.




 

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