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Author Topic: A Morality Issue Poll  (Read 29784 times)

Nihilanth

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Re: A Morality Issue Poll
« Reply #60 on: July 29, 2010, 01:35:03 AM »
You start your own busness and make a lot of money.
Then there will be a point where you can sit back and relax if you do it the right way.
Simple isn't it?
But not everyone can be a rich do-nothing. There are other people in the business who'd have to do the work. And there's no guarantee it would last.

Okay so from this answer i make up you are living in some sort of dream world and you are thinking free energy will solve all the problems in the world...it isn't going to happen.
Free energy isn't going to change a thing other then a cleaner biosphere.
Things still need to be done, sure you can transport goods with a free energy powered truck, but it still needs a driver.
You should think some more about it.
If everyone can their own goods made with autonomous freely-powered machinery, then why would it need to be transported? Autonomous vehicles, and autonomous everything-else-I-can-think-of are constantly becoming more developed & practical. The only real hurdles come from power supplies & programming.

Okay so now i am getting a bit angry.
Now you are talking plain bullshit here.
It is clear to me you do not know what you are talking about.
You're becoming angry because you're argument is getting more futile and you're refusing to accept it.[/quote]

My entire house is solar powered and i cannot call it weak, you just need to install enough panels.
I sometimes disconnect the battery's when there is too much sun, weak no way!
Sure they are not too efficient but hey i have all the energy i need.
It does not need maintance at all and BPsolar gives a 25 year power gurantee and you call that a replacement every few years...i am sure they go well over 25 years actually.
If you do not now what you are talking about i suggest you shut up.
My solar panels do not even come close to the cost of my research and development! they are cheap compared to that.
Please buy some!!! then we can talk again.I recommend them!!!
I won't buy some because they are too expensive for me to afford. And considering the number of panels required for adequate power, I have to imagine how much of my property would need to be covered in them, and how not everyone has the real estate to put them on. The area of my roof(and the roofs of almost everyone I know) that faces the sun during the day, is 12 by 18 feet. How many watts can solar produce with that much space? How much do you pay for all these panels? And if you think solar is so great, then why are you putting money into energy research and development when you think you've got it so well made?

25 years is a descent step up, considering that they used to last about 5 years.

Your appliance does not care about where the power comes from. Nothing changes other then you do not have to pay for the energy...
Except for not having to worry about it breaking down, or replacing dead batteries, or needing to be anchored to plots of land, or paying for fuel, the list goes on.

I am here to see if there are people that can convince me, that i should share my work.
But people like you even make me wanne leave.
What does anything I've said have to do with that? By the looks of it I'm guessing you invent some kind of solar panel?

You have no idea what is 2 inches in front of my eyes.
I am looking for reasons i have only seen one yet.
About our future children living in a clean environment and that they deserve it.
Well, for starters we did kinda screw up the environment & are leaving it for them to deal with. And the second (and better) reason is that if they're not wasting all of their youthful effort on trying to clean up the environment & powering their cars & what have you, they could be spending their time on luxuries for us to use, and medical advancements like life-extending technology.

Current electrical systems are very dangerous.
The ac comming from the wall can kill you.
I can touch the poles of my battery's without dying or getting a shock.
It takes more metal at lower voltages so bigger wires have to be used for the same power.
That's about the only drawback i can think of.

But you are right FE appliances have to be safe.
It's quite hard to achieve because most of them use high voltages and can go into melt down.
That's why I think we should be more focused on scalable, low-amp methods for generating FE, so more people can replicate it with less chance of killing themselves.

XS-NRG

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Re: A Morality Issue Poll
« Reply #61 on: July 29, 2010, 01:52:59 AM »

Well if you're so smart, why are you here?


I am here to see if there are people that can convince me, that i should share my work.
But people like you even make me wanne leave.


I am not going to spend anymore time on this meaningless discussion.
It's not worth my time, sorry.

Good luck on your free energy device.

Nihilanth

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Re: A Morality Issue Poll
« Reply #62 on: July 29, 2010, 03:58:33 AM »
Why did you switch the times & order of our posts?
If you want to leave because people keep asking reasonable questions, then I honestly doubt you have anything of value to share.

sparks

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Re: A Morality Issue Poll
« Reply #63 on: July 29, 2010, 05:04:11 AM »
       Safety issues are huge when it comes to unlimited energy.   But if you dont do it who is going to do it.  The department of energy suppose to be doing it with US taxpayers dollars but this department has been reduced to handing out grant money to scientists and Universities that end up giving the technological advances of the lab into the hands of corporations,  Unlimited energy is unlimited power.  It belongs in no human group that I can think of.  We are going to need some help with this one.

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Re: A Morality Issue Poll
« Reply #64 on: July 29, 2010, 02:58:48 PM »
@Nihilanth & XS-NRG
now we know your pro & against arguments concerning our topic. there is no need (nor possible) to convince each other of your better judgment, thus showing us at a small scale where we stand today.

because you are both well spoken "free energy" advocates, I am asking you to debate a subject that everybody seems to avoid: what was the choice of past and present legendary free energy inventors concerning our poll ? and why did they choose so.

here's a list of such inventors in a random order (feel free to add to discussion any other inventor of a SSFED)
Nikola Tesla
Floyd Sweet
Ed Gray
Donald Smith
Steven Mark


XS-NRG

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Re: A Morality Issue Poll
« Reply #65 on: July 29, 2010, 03:33:16 PM »
Why did you switch the times & order of our posts?
If you want to leave because people keep asking reasonable questions, then I honestly doubt you have anything of value to share.

When people like you start to talk BS it's time to leave.
You are not reading, you are twisting peoples words, and you talk about things you do not know anything about.

Yesterday i had some time to order my post because i was waiting for the glue....
And i do not have anything of value to share.

Nihilanth

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Re: A Morality Issue Poll
« Reply #66 on: July 30, 2010, 02:27:14 AM »
If you want to just ignore my perfectly valid statements & ignore my questions, that's perfectly fine by me. But I am not twisting your words, and if you think that I am, it might be because you're not good at expressing what it is you mean. "Yesterday i had some time to order my post because i was waiting for the glue...." What the fuck does that even mean?

dllabarre

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Re: A Morality Issue Poll
« Reply #67 on: August 01, 2010, 03:01:29 AM »
you missed option 7

Make lots of vids put them on youtube etc and taunt everyone with it and laugh and say "look what i got" but then never disclose how it actually works!

LOL
I've thought of doing this also.... ;D
But it's too mean.


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« Reply #68 on: August 01, 2010, 03:05:26 AM »
But I enjoy not being homeless.An unlimited power supply has an unlimited potential for doing work. Free energy doesn't directly give water, but technically could power a dehumidifier & extract water from the air. It would also provide heating, cooling, light & obviously power to computer automated machinery. Everyone could potentially be self-sufficient. The only thing left would be taxes. And at that point money itself would seem redundant without needing jobs or public utilities, except for stupid luxurious junk like ipods.

Also you could light and heat green houses and grow your own food.
That's one of my goals along with powering an electric car.


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« Reply #69 on: August 28, 2010, 06:03:28 AM »
Well, the answer I would select, is not in the selection, and is a little more complex...

However, given the limitations of the selections, I had to say...

"I would give it free to mankind by posting all details on Internet"

The only issue I have with that, is it getting into the hands of someone with bad intentions, or with poor understanding of what they are creating. Can you imagine everyone having access to nuclear power plants details or dumb people trying to build 100,000,000Mv Tesla transformers!

So, if I had to write an answer myself, this is what I would have selected...

I would firstly keep my mouth shut. With the device in possession, I would exploit every legal method of "cashing-in", without risking loss of the device. This would include doing a grid-tie system, at any loan-cost to myself, hiding my creation under the false image of alternate energy creation available today. EG, I would have dummy solar-cells installed, rip down any southern trees, throw-up a dummy wind-mill, fake geothermal and solar home heating, throw parties displaying all my expensive technology that cost me little to purchase... because it is fake.

All the while, actually feeding my surplus power directly into the grid, waiting for that first check.

Once that first check came in, I use that money to propagate in other remote locations, using a larger scale setup, across multiple grids. (So as not to deplete only one electric company of hard earned dirty power generation.)

Once I had enough money to go global, I would call a national meeting. The meeting would outline my desires and I would work with law-makers to ensure that any required protections were in place for the situations below, and any national security issues were addressed.

Eventually employ all energy providers and the people working for them, one at a time. Making my new employee's jobs being the uninstallation of dirty-generators, and instillation of the clean generators, as well as training them to manufacture and maintain the devices. (Power lines would still be required, and require upkeep, as it is not logical to remove them and install dangerous devices left to public personal control.)

There would be only a minimal upkeep fee, where demand was "greater than majority average", since power is a necessity, for growth and acceptable suppression. (Eg, Think of it like minimum wage. Every person would be entitled to a "free" volume of electricity, which is enough to cover all necessities for living, and some luxury power too.)

Since it will be in abundance, or rather, of lesser creation demands, it would be more like sanitary water, or foods. Untaxed, but still regulated for safety and to reduce abuse.

It is unrealistic to think that everyone would want to spend money on one of these devices, and a power regulators, and classes to learn how to operate and repair them, and no-one would be giving them away free. However, at this point, with the kinks worked out, and the device simplified to its safest maintainable smaller parts, it would become public domain. (Thus, it would also not be a threat to the installments, as power would be cheaper than the sum of the parts you would need to create them. However, for those needing off-grid location power, or special needs power, it would be available to them.)

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« Reply #70 on: August 29, 2010, 12:52:05 AM »
None of the above.

I would advertise, post all details on the internet, upscale it, lease it to humankind, donate 90% of revenues to charitable organizations that need this technology for infrastructure purposes, and use 5%-to-9% of revenues to develop and maintain a transportation network control system to serve such organizations and companies having similar goals.

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« Reply #71 on: January 19, 2011, 10:18:14 AM »
The only issue I have with that, is it getting into the hands of someone with bad intentions, or with poor understanding of what they are creating.
This is true for any past, present or future invention. You could use a nail clipper for hijacking a plane and "sliding" it into WTC like a hot knife through butter ::)

I would firstly keep my mouth shut. With the device in possession, I would exploit every legal method of "cashing-in", without risking loss of the device.
You see... I have to stop your theory right here, because you don't own on a private island (or maybe you do :) ). Even your nosy neighbors will turn you in. Not to mention you're trying to hide from the "benevolent" state that will use any legal and illegal methods to ransom your house, steal your device, mock you, gag you or even kill you. Sorry to be the messenger of bad news, but we have to see the big picture which is "FREE ENERGY WILL CREATE A NEW SOCIETY" and this is major, we are not talking about inventing hot water, this is HUGE. The reason I put this pole on forum is that we have to understand that NOBODY did or will earn a penny trying to sell such device (invention). It is like selling freedom...
Please, wake up.

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« Reply #72 on: February 04, 2011, 09:44:51 PM »
I have watched recently (again) the video lecture that Donald Smith gave in 1996 at a Tesla Symposium and let me tell you a little story about it:

From my understanding, he succeeded the best in replicating what Tesla meant by high-voltage, high-frequency machines (although Smith never admitted he knew about Tesla works - hmm...). 14 years went by from that lecture and a few of his statements made with that occasion are still ringing in my head:

- "the car industry is dead and they don't even know it"
- "in one year there will be only electric cars"
- "I don't deal for peanuts, I only talk with presidents, emperors, sheiks, etc"
- "the entry ticket is from $500 million up to 1,000 times more"
- "the suitcase I have there is not for sale and if you think getting closer to it, you might not be able to leave this room"

At one time, a young man asked: "do you think Tesla would think more about money ?" and Smith answered "I do this to have enough capital and to be sure that nobody will suppress MY invention" but then the young man asked "but why don't you share IN FULL your knowledge on the Internet ? this way 'they' won't be able to shut down anything" and again Smith answered "go look on the Internet, the plans are already there and consider this presentation as a gift to you", and I could continue with more bitter-aggressive remarks from Smith...

So what have I learned from this story, which sadly is true ?

When greed for money and power are greater than inventor's moral, he is doomed to bite the dust and live the consequences of not sharing his knowledge with mankind. I must stress it, disclosure IN FULL, because wherever you search, you find only scarce half truth made in the name of a secrecy that will bankrupt the owner again and again.

I hope to live the day (I'm only 46) when some brilliant guy will have an ego to match the greatness of a solid state free energy device invention, because otherwise we will be forever slaves for an army of Rothschilds and other good ol' boys with an oil well in the backyard...

It is not all about how many turns has that coil or how many Farads that capacitor... it is about the moral fabric you got. You may be a mighty eagle or you may become a poor old man born in Texas whose hands are trembling from Parkinson, that hardly finds his words and who gave a lecture back in '96 at a Tesla Symposium and never worked for peanuts...

It's up to you.

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Re: A Morality Issue Poll
« Reply #73 on: June 08, 2011, 02:20:05 AM »
Tesla of course. He didn't die rich. He could have. Morgan and GE owed him so much per Horse power. He didn't deserve to be called nuts. They convinced him he would destroy the country if he collected. A lie because he would have only destroyed Morgan and GE if he collected. Well he didn't want his inventions used for war. I liked him.