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Author Topic: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump  (Read 296556 times)

Offline broli

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #135 on: January 07, 2010, 03:45:26 PM »
Just as a reminder when this starts to grow online it's best to not reference it to Steven Mark or the name TPU. Nothing good will come from that. Once put public on youtube or any other place it will be part of the public domain and there will be nothing to patent.

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #136 on: January 07, 2010, 03:53:42 PM »
Broli
Quote:
 Once put public on youtube
 or any other place it will be part of the public domain and there will be nothing to patent.
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Thats the whole idea!!

Chet

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #137 on: January 07, 2010, 04:00:59 PM »
People! please stop the questions to give agentgates some time to experiment and perfect his device. It's easy to tell that he is not yet satisfied with his device and wants to make improvements.

The device is so simple that a circuit diagram is not needed. The primary is wound first with hair thin wire on a 45 degree angle with a minimum space of 1mm between windings. The secondary is wound over the primary with thick wire 3 turns spaced out.

Pulse the primary with a DC power supply and attach a load to the secondary. If you don't understand these instructions and need a circuit diagram then you should not be building the device at this time and wait till things are more completed.

Thanks for understanding

Luc




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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #138 on: January 07, 2010, 04:08:52 PM »
Good points Luc & Broli.

He has mentioned CHANNELS several times.  As can be seen in the photo below, there are SEVERAL windings shown, & I see 8 DIFFERENT WIRES hanging out of it.

That seems to imply that each winding gets connected to something different.  That is where many of us are confused.

Cheers.

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« Last Edit: January 07, 2010, 05:20:09 PM by FatBird »

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #139 on: January 07, 2010, 04:25:07 PM »
I think :-\ this is something he is experimenting (development) with and not what he has recommended for testing the effect.

Luc

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #140 on: January 07, 2010, 04:31:10 PM »
This is my version of the ring, the primary has 25 turns of 0.3 mm and 0.8 mm from the secondary 16 turns I can make an electronic file for pulses.
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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #141 on: January 07, 2010, 05:03:13 PM »
Magluvin, you just saved me at least 1/2 hour of typing to explain what I was thinking. We are on the same wavelength !

The main question is: Should the secondary ideally be enclosed inside the 3 primaries, which implies that the inner and outer parts of primaries are NOT touching each other, OR:
The primaries are wound totally on the outside of the tube, which creates a flat cylindrical mesh, and then the secondary is placed against it.

Cheers

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Had a weird thought, wouldnt a twisted pair be like a continuous DOT? 
Always thinking

Nice graphs zero.  This is an example of some questions I have.  Im assuming the theory is the event happens at the crossings and the spaces help prevent dot interactions, not as a transformer interaction as a whole. Otherwise spacing would not be necessary.

That is why the question of the proximity of inner primary to the secondary as to the outer primary to the secondary. If the suspended webbing inside furthers the distance from the secondary, that makes a significant difference of how those inner webs have effort on their crossings compared to the outer primary that is actually touching the secondary.
This is why those graphs are sweet in visualizing that and the many differences there can be.
If the inner primary needs to be "touching" the secondary as is the outer primary, then the webbing and tube thickness is a hindrance to the effect. 
On the other hand, if the inner primary actually touching the secondary proves no effect, then I would assume the inner is canceling the outer and tighter vortex webbing is necessary as to only allow the outer primary to be in physical contact with the secondary.

This brings me to another conclusion. Consider the magnetic spin around the primary as a disk on each primary at the crossing. Each disk will be cutting the other primary wire lengthwise as to split the wire in two, just to visualize, now visualize how those disks cut the secondary, all of this at a common crossing. If the effect is as told to us, then those inner primaries need to be in physical connection, as in touching not conducting, in order equal affect on the secondary by both the inner and outer primaries.

As to how to get this optimum contact, the primaries, inner and outer need bothe be zig zagged outside the tube so their crossings are tight. Using pins as we use the cuts to pivot each zag. This way we get all 3, the inner P the outer P and the secondary DOTs all connected physically for optimum effect as a 3 way combo, at every dot.

And as vision continues, if even spacing is a key here, imagine one square space as seen in these latest pics, and apply that spacing also between each layer of windig as to spac out the inner then secondary, then the outer and when done the inner dia will be like 3/4 in less that the outer.  Like if you have a 4 in pvc tube 1/4 in wall, then have another 1/4 in wall tube that fitts inside the 4 in. with just enough space to wrap a secondary. Then wrap the secondary to the smaller tube, slid into the outer tube, then wrap the primary around the 2 tubes as a whole.  Imagine the electron tornados that would exist inside.

Andey Callanan    that Deyo  toroid looks a lot like what I thought about and described earlier Thanks for that link by the way.

Mags

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #142 on: January 07, 2010, 05:09:20 PM »
Tony, Just keep on Keeping on, we appreciate your contribution and want to help move this forward for you. Even if the results of the design is not what yo expect we all learn something right? I see this as progress no matter what as I am sure others do as well.

What might be, and I stress "might", required is a review of how you are releasing the info and your test results. I am not criticizing how you are doing anything but making suggestions. Perhaps take a week to finish some of your work and gather your thoughts and data and then present that to the community. I understand you want to share but I believe some project management is needed to reduce your stress and make more progress.

If others want to contribute that is great and should be encouraged but it needs to be explained that your time is valuable too and you have to focus on your work as well. Please do not get caught up in the noise here on the forum and let it discourage you.

Please consider;

1. weekly updates, set a release schedule and try to adhere to it
2. set a day and/or time to be on the forum to answer questions for those who are replicating and to support discussion of ways to improve or further
3. providing schematics and videos (when possible) to assist those who are trying to support your efforts
4. ignoring the noise and negative comments when possible, there will be those that will try and derail you due to various reasons.

Again these are suggestions Tony and please accept them as such. I am not trying to tell you what to do but provide some support.

Thanks for your efforts thus far,

Carl

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #143 on: January 07, 2010, 05:21:05 PM »
Tony, Just keep on Keeping on, we appreciate your contribution and want to help move this forward for you. Even if the results of the design is not what yo expect we all learn something right? I see this as progress no matter what as I am sure others do as well.

What might be, and I stress "might", required is a review of how you are releasing the info and your test results. I am not criticizing how you are doing anything but making suggestions. Perhaps take a week to finish some of your work and gather your thoughts and data and then present that to the community. I understand you want to share but I believe some project management is needed to reduce your stress and make more progress.

If others want to contribute that is great and should be encouraged but it needs to be explained that your time is valuable too and you have to focus on your work as well. Please do not get caught up in the noise here on the forum and let it discourage you.

Please consider;

1. weekly updates, set a release schedule and try to adhere to it
2. set a day and/or time to be on the forum to answer questions for those who are replicating and to support discussion of ways to improve or further
3. providing schematics and videos (when possible) to assist those who are trying to support your efforts
4. ignoring the noise and negative comments when possible, there will be those that will try and derail you due to various reasons.

Again these are suggestions Tony and please accept them as such. I am not trying to tell you what to do but provide some support.

Thanks for your efforts thus far,

Carl

I actually agree with this. It's best to first compile a complete instruction set or presentation with all the needed documents before starting to discuss what everyone did wrong in their quick replications. You could then just inform the forum about your progress of this. After that is all done we can start discussing theory, replications, improvements and so on.

Btw if you need any 3d animation work give me a headsup, I can help.

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #144 on: January 07, 2010, 05:40:03 PM »
1. I am too busy to argue.
2. I can't remember deadline.
3. I am not releasing demos of overheating devices, I am not SM.
4. I am not your employee, so please wait for your turn.
5. No current measurement until the 3 or 4 channels is not wound and driven. Reason --> there is no point. (you didn't understand the concept)
6. Again --> that is O.N.E. spike. Multiple spikes will be shorter.
7. That is what I am doing now.

Wow, not the reply I was hoping for...or deserved.  LOL

1.  Great, because there is nothing to argue about.  You claim OU and I simply asked for the output amps.  A reasonable request.  But now no current reading until your new 3 channel coil is done... hmm, ok. 

2.  No deadline.  Just thought a circuit would be helpful because some have tried this and seen nothing.  So perhaps they are not pulsing correctly.

3.  You stated yesterday that you were going to make a vid and post a circuit.  Then said you were tired but would post it today.  No prob.  We are just anxious to see what you have.

Lastly I apologize that asking my questions equated to "being my employee," in your thinking.  The questions are not meant in that tone, simply meant to clarify things. 

Relax Tony, and take a deep breath, it is all good!   ;)  It is a New Year, and we hope, a GREAT year!!  My motto is what Reagan told Gorbachev, "trust but verify."

Kind regards,

Bruce


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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #145 on: January 07, 2010, 05:44:39 PM »
IF i may so kindly ask the inventor here a simple question . I realize there is a circuit you are or have experimented with that you say it not easy to duplicate and you are trying to make an "easier"one for us . Can you be so kind as to post the Hard circuit so i can blow up some fet s with 0.011 ma @ 35 volts ? I got plenty of parts so i can follow along with you .In the Meantime I am your competitor in the Ou race and have posted all my primary circuits and test and of coarse we are in the Final testing stages for a few months until Me and one other person are satisfied  with the results at which time Stephan will also have the opportunity to see a Video and get his Device for inspection . Surely a device of your nature can demonstrate a measly 1 watt out  to win the contest and it's nice that you are Scaling it up but really all that is needed is 1 watt continuious output with self running .
kind regards

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #146 on: January 07, 2010, 05:56:27 PM »
@Spider

What are you driving your coil with? At least you have your bulbs lit.... I got nothing :)

@All

I guess I got nothing because I dont have a driver required  for it... no igbt handy... only mosfets and hexfets.

Lawton pulser aint suitable for this.. SG is out of the question.. any suggestions?

Thank You

M

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #147 on: January 07, 2010, 06:04:16 PM »
Thanks Altair

An important clue and maybe fact is,  how the imagined spinning disks from the inner and outer primaries cut the secondary. Depending on what side secondary is to the primary, the secondary will see something different from 1 side to the other, especially at the angles we have laid out here. So if Stephans sample does not work because the secondary is inside, then the outside is where it should be. I hope.

I bet that some length of wire set up on a jig to allow different angle crossings and multiple primary above and below configs, all done at just 1 single cross point, some sensitive equipment could be used to determining if the effect is real and simplify angle and position that works best then put it to coil form.
I actually think it can be made like a woven screen and flat, if what we are concerned with are the crossings.

Just an idea for further analysis.

Magluvin

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #148 on: January 07, 2010, 07:02:32 PM »
Try a neon sign transformer with a spark gap.



@Spider

What are you driving your A with? At least you have your bulbs lit.... I got nothing :)

@All

I guess I got nothing because I dont have a driver required  for it... no igbt handy... only mosfets and hexfets.

Lawton pulser aint suitable for this.. SG is out of the question.. any suggestions?

Thank You

M

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Re: Agentgates´s TPU setup with strange wavehill hump
« Reply #149 on: January 07, 2010, 07:08:21 PM »
@Everybody

3-primary-channel coils are done, secondary is coming soon after the . If it's possible avoid using clear acrylic with the 3 primary as you will get mixed up by the transparent surface and you'll see a cobweb everywhere. I had to rewind it 3 times as I screwd up.  :-\

gotoluc, broli thanks for understanding me in 100% and helping me out. Indeed I don't want anybody to patent it and sit on this wondeful piece of technology for another few decades and I also agree with Stefan the best if I start disclosing everything. Everyone in this topic is also a withness that nobody has right to take it away from the people.

As for the OU price I am not really look into win just try it if possible and wanted to make sure whether should I bring this one in priority or do my other projects. Thanks for understanding now.


REQUEST TO A KIND VOLUNTEER

4017 is in its place, 3 channel will fire after each other over and over again. My request would be somebody who has a few minutes could please make a schematic with a 4017 decade counter driving 3x BC337 calculated resistors hooked to the primary channels? The inductance is around 100uH if I read it right (fluctuating).

Until epoxy is bonding I would have a few hours nap as my brain is getting to shut down.

I'll be back soon. Many thanks in advance to All.

PS: Bruce, don't worry, no prob. just please be a little patient. THX ;)