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Author Topic: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM  (Read 1215848 times)

captainpecan

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #630 on: December 28, 2009, 03:47:41 AM »
Hi All,

I have found that with the addition of a stator magnet appropriately arranged behind the torroid coil, the torque of the rotor is dramatically increased for the same input power! Please see the following diagram and arrangement.

Regards,

Ossie
Awesome, thanks for testing that.  I brought that up the other day to try, but I have been waiting for a day off of work so I could start building and testing myself!  Good work!

Another thing that may be key to experiment with, is to see the difference made when using stronger, and weaker magnets compared to energy used to release the magnetic attraction.  I am hoping when you hit the correct power in that saturates the toroid, we may be able to increase the power of the magnets without requiring more input energy.  After all, stronger magnets, stronger rotor attraction, but maybe the same energy needed to let it pass by.
« Last Edit: December 28, 2009, 04:17:03 AM by captainpecan »

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #631 on: December 28, 2009, 04:41:32 AM »
It should always take the same current to saturate the core regardless of the passing magnets strength. Just find a core that saturates in a weaker field and it should use less current.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #632 on: December 28, 2009, 05:09:33 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yurZxrKkeo&feature=related
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX0YZyI75bM

"As you can see, the moving magnets do generate EMF in the coil; when the coil is energised with a DC current, the magnitude of the EMF generated by the magnets decreases, as shown on the oscilloscope.

What is yet to be determined is whether the EMF is actually decreasing as a result of "shielding", or being smoothed out by the battery, acting much like a capacitor to smooth ripple."

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #633 on: December 28, 2009, 05:30:23 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yurZxrKkeo&feature=related
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX0YZyI75bM

"As you can see, the moving magnets do generate EMF in the coil; when the coil is energised with a DC current, the magnitude of the EMF generated by the magnets decreases, as shown on the oscilloscope.

What is yet to be determined is whether the EMF is actually decreasing as a result of "shielding", or being smoothed out by the battery, acting much like a capacitor to smooth ripple."
holy crap he says 'ahh' way too much. the guy needs a script or something. trying to decipher what the man is trying to say amidst all the pauses, umms and ahhhs... is almost painful. nice construction on the marinov though.

captainpecan

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #634 on: December 28, 2009, 06:04:53 AM »
It should always take the same current to saturate the core regardless of the passing magnets strength. Just find a core that saturates in a weaker field and it should use less current.

That's what I was meaning.  I can't seem to get any larger toroids locally anywhere, so I decided to go ahead and use about 3/4" I got from the shack. May end up more like an Orbo toy, lol.  Not very big, but it may help me see results at fairly low current. It should be easy for me to test different strength magnets with it to see if I can get more power, without having to use more energy once I find the sweet spot. I'll post what I come up with.

Silvije

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #635 on: December 28, 2009, 09:27:15 AM »
erased
« Last Edit: December 28, 2009, 01:08:03 PM by Silvije »

captainpecan

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #636 on: December 28, 2009, 10:23:42 AM »
They are NOT separate, observe duty cycle of drive pulses!
So braking does not influence amplitude, but it sure does influence duty cycle which means more energy to coils... that is exactly what steorn video shows... it is sad that very few people can see this and that the rest are so easily fooled..

Way to pluck one sentence out of a paragraph, quote it, and use it out of context.  The jist of what I was saying was EVEN IF input was separate from output, more is needed to prove OU.  There are many working bench models now, and under way to prove one way or another on whether input is separate from output or not.  Mine is not done yet, so I can't say for sure either way yet.

I'm not trying to start an argument, this thread is moving and learning very quick. But I am curious why someone with a tag line such as yours is even wasting your time on a forum called OverUnity?  After all, you obviously feel that "There is no free energy! Resistance is futile"...  I'm kind of thinking your other nickname hit read only status, so now we get the pleasure of hearing from you under a different name?  :-\

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #637 on: December 28, 2009, 10:35:31 AM »
They are NOT separate, observe duty cycle of drive pulses!
So braking does not influence amplitude, but it sure does influence duty cycle which means more energy to coils... that is exactly what steorn video shows... it is sad that very few people can see this and that the rest are so easily fooled..
Wrong. Duty cycle doesn't change.

captainpecan

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #638 on: December 28, 2009, 10:53:59 AM »
I find it odd, that a few hours after MileHigh earns read only status, Silvije pops on here with his infinite knowledge of negative inspiration, after not posting since September?  Hmmm... What a coinsidence...  I wonder... nah, couldn't be that they are one in the same person... Shhhh... Your secret is safe with me Silvije, we wont let anyone know that your MileHigh, and you cant respect Stephan asking you to stop trying to hold everyone back, and you just sneak in here under another nickname and keep trying to obstruct progress... 

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #639 on: December 28, 2009, 10:57:23 AM »
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« Last Edit: December 28, 2009, 01:08:50 PM by Silvije »

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #640 on: December 28, 2009, 11:06:49 AM »
They are NOT separate, observe duty cycle of drive pulses!
So braking does not influence amplitude, but it sure does influence duty cycle which means more energy to coils... that is exactly what steorn video shows... it is sad that very few people can see this and that the rest are so easily fooled..

Omnibus is correct, the duty cycle does not change.

What is truly sad is that people can't see the 12 magnets below the stator backed up with 4 shorted coils, remember Thane Heins's claim of no  CEMF, which is what Steorn is now doing and see that ORBO is probably a rip off since it doesn't look like the flux switching thing they have published in the past.

I have not followed them much but 12 magnets, 4 coils and a claim of no CEMF screams HELLO! Thane just got jacked by the Irish.


captainpecan

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #641 on: December 28, 2009, 11:12:55 AM »
ok, I hear you... I just wanted to stress that they are not separate..
I agree to disagree.  Even though you cant have one without the other here, they do look separate as of yet.  We'll see how it turns out.  I hold high hopes.

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other thing I could ask you the same thing, why are you wasting your time here as there is no proof of free energy yet... but I will not ask you that... you are free to believe ;)

Same reason most of us are here.  To learn as much as I can, and help as much as I can, in the search for truth.  But I do not care to hurt any progress by filling up this thread with mindless, off topic crap.  I'm going back to building, so maybe I can have a little more hands on data to ad to this group, and get off theory.

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #642 on: December 28, 2009, 11:16:03 AM »
ok

Silvije

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #643 on: December 28, 2009, 11:23:22 AM »
shit I am going to build it...

duty cycle really does not change... I was thinking something else but my english is other story...

you might be right guys..

I apologize for rush statements...

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Re: STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM
« Reply #644 on: December 28, 2009, 11:27:49 AM »
erased
« Last Edit: December 28, 2009, 01:09:58 PM by Silvije »