Brad, this certianly kicks the wrinkles out of their pants!!!

Maybe Minnie and MilleHehehehe might stop and think, before "thinking" they know what they are talking about, aka: sticking their feet in their mouths?

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

After that posting #1620, now we know we are not in Kansas anymore!  LOL and SMH

Chris, you have been fried by your own dots.

Still a terrible case of foot in Mouth!!!

Your Drivel   vs   My Scientific Proof with References and everyday Provable Facts - No competition!!!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Certainly Brad, see below:




@TK - Although you did replicate Brads experiment, you got it wrong.

Faraday's law of induction is a basic law of electromagnetism predicting how a magnetic field will interact with an electric circuit to produce an Electromotive Force, E.M.F (e), is defined in Coulomb's of Charge (C), this is measured in Volts (V)

The Ampere (A), often shortened to "amp", is the SI unit of Electric Current (I), The ampere is equivalent to one coulomb (roughly 6.241×1018 times the elementary charge) per second. Amperes are used to express flow rate of electric charge.

Here in lies the problem. Brads Circuit is looking at Current (I) or Amperes on one side of the Circuit, and on the other, it is looking at the Voltage (V).

As you correctly pointed out:

So, you are comparing Apples and Oranges, this cant be done!!! This is wrong!!! EMF, when talking about EMF, must be compared with its couneter part, the Negative of the source EMF which IS and always will be, 180 Degrees out of phase!

Saying that 10 cars are out on the road, and 10 cars went down the road at 200MPH are totally different things, Volume vs Speed and one is not the other!

I am sorry TK but you are giving people a Bung Steer and this is very important!!!


So, E.M.F (e) has a phase relationship of 180 Degrees to the Source.


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Read your own post. EMF is _voltage_.  And as I have DEMONSTRATED, and as FARADAY's LAW STATES CLEARLY, the relationship between induced voltage and inducing magnetic field (current) is 90 degrees. When the time rate of change of the magnetic field (dB/dt) is maximum, the induced EMF is maximum. When the time rate of change of the magnetic field (dB/dt) is zero, the induced EMF is zero. You can clearly see this on the oscillograms. For you who have no calculus, the _slope_ of a voltage vs time graph is the time rate of change of the voltage. When the slope is horizontal (at the peaks) the instantaneous time rate of change -- the slope --is zero. When the sine wave crosses the zero axis, the slope is at its steepest, so the time rate of change (instantaneous) is at maximum, hence the induced voltage is maximum (and of opposite sign.) Faraday's Law in its simplest form: EMF (induced voltage) = - dB/dt. (instantaneous time rate of change of B).

The transformer diagram you keep posting is comparing CURRENT AND CURRENT. Brad's schematic and my testing compares CURRENT AND VOLTAGE. The secondary current in your transformer diagram does what all currents through an inductor do: it lags behind the applied voltage. The primary induces a VOLTAGE in the secondary that is 90 degrees out of phase of the primary CURRENT, as Faraday's Law clearly states. This induced voltage in the secondary then causes a CURRENT that is itself delayed due to the inductance of the secondary, adding up to an additional phase shift. If you have the frequency correct, this additional phase shift in the CURRENT can be 90 degrees IN ADDITION TO the 90 degrees shift in the INDUCED VOLTAGE a la Faraday's Law. So you can see a total 180 degree phase shift in the secondary CURRENT when compared to the primary CURRENT.

When you spin an ordinary PM generator at a certain RPM you get a certain voltage output. When you spin the generator _faster_ you get a _higher_ voltage output. Why? Because the _time rate of change_ of the magnetic fields linking the windings is increased. Faraday's law of induction again.

Brad, as I've demonstrated in a video a few pages back, and as we know, the total phase shift that can be measured depends somewhat on the frequency of the oscillation, because different core materials respond differently and there will always be stray inductances and capacitances caused by wiring. SO I had to increase the frequency of my test setup to get the perfect relationship shown below.

I'm using the same setup as in my previous demonstrations, using the random ferrite-cored transformer, except that I am testing two conditions.

First, the transformer secondary open, just connected to the scope probe, so I am testing the _voltage_ across the secondary, unloaded. This produces the first scopeshot below: The 90 degree phase relationship between the applied primary current (i.e. the magnetic field) and the secondary's induced _voltage_. And as I've shown, this nice 90 degree relationship holds across a wide range of applied frequency. (30Hz, 1 kHz, and in the shot below, around 700 Hz.)

In the second scopeshot below I have attached a 1.0 ohm precision non-inductive resistor directly across the transformer's secondary, and then the probe across the resistor. So the resistor is acting both as a load, and its own CSR. Now the scope probe is measuring the _current_ as a voltage drop across this resistor.

As I said, I had to increase the frequency to make the _current_ phase shift look so accurately 180 degrees. If I perform this same comparison test at 30 Hz, I "only" get a total phase shift of about 140 degrees for the _current_, while the _voltage_ phase shift remains at 90 degrees-- as I showed earlier.

Brad:

I am a "big gun" according to you, so what happened?  I can tell you what happened.  You were not given a continuously enabling environment by me, you were put on a level playing field and when you were wrong about something you were told you were wrong.  It is extremely upsetting for you to be told that you are wrong.  You can't admit that you are wrong when you are indeed wrong.  And I am not saying at all that you are wrong all the time, but like any person it does actually happen that you are wrong.

At that is enough to give you a good hard-core freak-out and make you completely compromise your integrity.  Now you will say anything and lie through your teeth repeatedly.  I am not perfect and I get things wrong and I admit that.  But you are lying about me repeatedly.  It's a very sad, very very unpleasant spectacle.  You have no shame whatsoever.

Your credibility is destroyed, poor Brad on a brain fry from hell.

MileHigh

English MH--English.

I am not having a brain fry at all MH--im having a --no more shit from MH time

Feel free to point out where i was wrong,and did not admit it.

What is sad is,seeing some one that use to be helpful, turn into some one that must be right,and when they find out they are wrong,they attack those that pointed out there mistake to them.
That is referring to you by the way.


Brad

EMJunkie:

This is another warning to you to not slander/libel other members of the forum.  Posts of this nature will be removed.

Thank you.

Bill

Thanks Bill, now you have removed valuable information...

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

The information is fine...the slander/libel is not.

Thanks,

Bill

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MileHigh

At this point, it's time for this to stop.

I tried this before MH,and you continued to drag my name through the mud,and continued your insults toward me-and only due to your lack of knowledge of simple common electronic components.

Next week I will discuss the two questions for resonance in a wine glass.

At the start,i may have been interested in what you had to say,but now that i know how little you know about the subject matter,i am not the least bit interested in what you have to say about resonance.

That's it, there really in nothing more for us to talk about after that.

Im happy with that-as i was before.
But if you keep going at me MH,i will continue to expose you for the fraud you are.

  I am really here for different reasons.

And what are those reasons MH?--many of us are wondering as to what they are.

This thread started off with a heated debate between you and me about resonance and you were told the truth by me and you freaked out and we can all see the ugly ugly result from that.

More lies.
You were told the truth by me,and you got your knickers in a twist.
You hate being corrected by some one you see as being beneath you.

Do whatever you want with your hair dryer motors or your dishwasher motors, I don't care and I have zero desire to discuss them with you, ZERO.

We have never discussed anything to do with dryer or dishwasher motors.
I carried out some measurements as per PWs,and MarkEs instruction's--you were nothing to do with that,so why you even decided to post this comment -well ,that is beyond me.

Likewise, I couldn't care less what combination of good and cockamamie technical knowledge you have up there in your head.  Believe whatever you want to believe.

Then stop with your bullshit MH,and leave my name out of it when you are trying to belittle other's-such as EMJ.

I won't touch any new project threads you start, not interested.  But I will speak the truth on this thread or whatever other thread I want to contribute to.

Great,but make sure you are speaking the truth MH,and not feeding incorrect information on subjects you know nothing about--such as resonant systems in ICEs,electronic components such as J/FETs--things like that.

You couldn't answer the two questions about resonance for a wine glass.  So stay tuned next week and you will see how simple the answers really are.

You have not answered any questions(bar one-even late then) asked of you MH,and the one you did try and answer about simple induction,was worded like a bowl of noodles,and made no sense at all--and even now,you dont know if you have it right.

What really happened in this thread MH(and the proof is in the thread it self),is you tried to dismiss resonant systems within an ICE. This whole thread is (was )about resonance increasing efficiency and power output--which you have !on many occasions! dismissed as rubbish--resonance dose not increase efficiency or power output
I corrected you on the ICE resonance issue,and you had a panic attack.
You then move to-there is no resonance what so ever taking place withing the internals(piston,cylinder-ETC)of an ICE. Once again,i proved you wrong. I showed you both the good and bad of internal resonance within ICEs.

Your list of blunders and insults toward those that have corrected you ,grows by the day.

Brad.