what is the magnetic force?

How many times are you going to drone on with this question?  Why don't you just spill your magic beans?

What you are really asking me is what a magnetic field is, a la tatted Kenny.  I have a basic Brad Secret Decoder Ring.

This shows the mechanics of the generation of a magnetic field based on the existence of a moving point charge and the most common moving point charge is an electron:

Calculating the Magnetic Field Due to a Moving Point Charge:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waTF7kjmmt8

Then there is the quantum theory about fields and I am not qualified to discuss it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_%28physics%29

It is now believed that quantum mechanics should underlie all physical phenomena, so that a classical field theory should, at least in principle, permit a recasting in quantum mechanical terms; success yields the corresponding quantum field theory. For example, quantizing classical electrodynamics gives quantum electrodynamics. Quantum electrodynamics is arguably the most successful scientific theory; experimental data confirm its predictions to a higher precision (to more significant digits) than any other theory.[17] The two other fundamental quantum field theories are quantum chromodynamics and the electroweak theory.

So you can Google away to your heart's content or even better go take some university courses in quantum mechanics.  That's about all that you are going to get out of me on this matter.

If you are not satisfied with my links to provide a basic summary for an answer to your question, then answer your question yourself.

MileHigh

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha....choke, choke, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

What was the original question again? So.... was it how many glasses of wine should one drink before the glass feels like it's resonating?

It's so easy making up questions. It's actually fun. It's also very very easy to tell people they are stupid if they cannot then answer the question. It's even easier knocking them down when they come up with some reasons instead of being courteous and asking for more clarifications without castrating them first.. Wow, this is a really great thread, I'm impressed. So..........I just learned how to bait people into a vague question and see them scramble about while they are being treated like nimrods.

Reminds me of a joke I heard a long time ago: How do you confuse a Newfy? You take him into a round room and tell him to piss in the corner. hahahahaha (Always gets a laugh)

@MH, get off your high horse will y'a. You have no business here knocking @tinman or anyone else. This is not @MH's Lessons in Self-OU-Flagellation. Just get to the point will y'a. All this whining without dining is getting stale. Also why settle for a cheap China made Brad Secret Decoder Ring knockoff when the original is right here and available to answer questions that are put in a respectful manner.?

So here where you posted this;
http://overunity.com/8341/joule-thief-101/msg477656/#msg477656
is a good example of why people never think anymore. They read stuff like this and consider it to be a real explanation but when you ask "Where is the proof" you get this standard answer "That's the way it is". So why is it that you can push all these notions of the "electron charge" (whatever that is), and the field (whatever that is) that have never been proven or that can very easily be discounted under other causal actions, while anyone else with an angle needs to bow down to your measuring stick. Man you need to grow up fast. I could spend the next 5 months dissecting all EE causal positions and bring them all back to a simple set of rules that would kill the field and electron forever. Then even you would not be able to dispute these and then where would you be? This level of standard arrogance is so pervasive that others don't even realize they are being exposed to it. It's like breathing air. Normal. Hmmm.

@All

I have a very bad feeling that whatever @MH comes up with in terms of his Oracle derived answer, the price will be too high and the payout will be very very low. So, as our best friend Mr. Trump always says "This is a very bad deal". hahaha

So I suggest that if no one personally knows a nice foxy shaped wine glass that talks, we will not get the answer from the glasses mouth. Then resonance remains as it is untouched but definitely blemished by the actions on this thread.

What resonance is........ is what I posted many pages back. Like it or not, resonance in our coils is a measure of the active atoms that are able to sway more then others at a particular frequency. Nothing more. What does it produce? Voltage without a punch. Small fry. What is it good for? Nothing if you cannot work out a way to convince more atoms to partake in the action. But to do that you need to look at what I posted to @gotoluc (third down) back in January of this year;
http://overunity.com/16261/rotating-magnetic-fields-and-inductors/msg470258/#msg470258

There can be other ways as well but they involve more demanding builds and experimental work. This is what should be discussed here and not how a fu&k'*n wine glass resonates. Now if you have direct questions, please do but please stay off the wine will y'a.

So, if Metglass and other oriented steel type laminations are the best for the core, then why not think that the copper atoms would work better (produce more amps) under resonance if more atoms were oriented to respond together since more atoms that jitter means more amps that flicker. If 100% of the copper atoms were 100% free to respond to all frequencies, then what would resonance be? Nothing but just another accepted reaction and our wires would be working as super conductive under normal ambient conditions. But right now, resonance is telling us that not even 5% of those atoms are ever active unless you drive the wire to the hilt and we all know that such standard conditions never produce OU, only heat and losses.

wattsup

Wattsup:

If you are going to cross a road, and it is a two-way street, then it behooves you to look both ways before you cross because if you only look one way and don't look both ways then you could get hurt.

The discussion of a resonating wine glass is absolutely germane to discussion of a possible "resonant Joule Thief."  New knowledge is built upon previous knowledge.  That is the way you go up the learning curve.  So if you can't describe a resonating wine glass and understand how it works, then why should you be able to understand other resonance phenomena including an alleged "resonant Joule Thief?"

If you have no foundation, then you are effectively building a house of cards that will collapse in a slight breeze.  If you want to take my advice, you yourself need to work up on building up your own foundation.  It looks like you have some very nice bench equipment and a nice space to work in.  It would be so nice to seeing you "getting it" when it comes to "conventional EE" before you start looking into the esoteric.  It's just a comment, I know that you are going to do your own thing.

MileHigh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rlk59xdM_YY&list=RDYG8K0yl4_hc&index=6

OK Y'all....here is your resonance.

What an artist this guy is...I mean, I can get a glass to ring like this with my finger if all conditions are correct but...this guy hits all of these glasses and then does harmony as well?  Let us all take a moment and chill out and rejoice in the fantastic world we live in.

This is fantastic!

Bill

Very impressive, but I think around here it's more like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpcUxwpOQ_A

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MileHigh

This shows the mechanics of the generation of a magnetic field based on the existence of a moving point charge

OOOhhh-wait a minute here.
Were you not one of the guru's that laughed at me when i said that the magnetic force was flowing charges?, and yet here you are promoting a video explaining a magnetic field around a moving charge lol.

I have a basic Brad Secret Decoder Ring.

No point in me going any further,as last time i put forward my theory on the magnetic force,you guru's all laughed at me---and yet you post video's showing magnetic fields around a moving point charge.

So you can Google away to your heart's content or even better go take some university courses in quantum mechanics.  That's about all that you are going to get out of me on this matter.
If you are not satisfied with my links to provide a basic summary for an answer to your question, then answer your question yourself.

What is it with you guy's(the guru's) ?.
It's like you  want to know the top speed of a car,so you jump in,take off down the road,hit 100MPH,and then say--no,thats fast enough-no need to go any faster,-and you hit the brakes.

and the most common moving point charge is an electron:

Do you even know what a point charge is,or why they use that term !point charge! MH?--or have you just chucked it in there because you read it in a book,or the guy in the video mentioned it?.
You need to get away from the electron as being the all mighty--as it is not when it comes to electromagnetic radiation.
What other elementary particles have no internal structure MH?. Which one is the force carrier in the !magnetic force!?. And what would it be called-or known as in a static situation?.
Once you have that answer,as i said before,only then will you understand my questions i posted a while back,regarding a device that uses this uni directional force to generate a direct current.

What you are really asking me is what a magnetic field is, a la tatted Kenny.

No.
The magnetic field,and the magnetic force are two different thing's.
Stop looking at what causes a magnetic field,and start looking at what the magnetic force actually is.
Then come back and have another laugh at my theory on the magnetic force being the flow of positive and negative charges-->and stop thinking that charge is limited to !an electric! charge.
Your mind has such a small scope MH.


Brad

So where does the magnetism come from?

Could it perhaps be due to charged particles moving at a
high velocity?  How rapidly does the magnetar rotate?

...my theory on the magnetic force being the flow of positive and negative charges...

I find your theory very interesting. I believe in what Edward Leedskalnin says in his book and your comment reminds me of that. Just curious if you believe in what Ed says as well?

...Now-what device uses/depends on charged particles moving at extremely high velocities to produce a DC current?....

Homopolar motor?