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Author Topic: Joule Thief 101  (Read 944516 times)

MileHigh

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #975 on: March 18, 2016, 07:01:41 AM »
Sure Brad, "charge flows into magnetic centers."  That's a new one for the "Bizarro World Book of Brad's Electronics."  LED's running off of "core halves."  You were challenged on these crazy statements and made no attempt to explain yourself or offer any insight.  All that you could say is that you were right.  Another total fail and another case of don't go to the EEVBlog unless you want to be eaten alive.

You want to prove that you have learned something about real electronics over the past six years?

This:

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Do you need an answer to understand the need for a variable base resistor MH?-or will your batteries simply remain at the rated voltage of 1.5 volt's?.
That was a bit of a silly statement by your self MH.

So let us know precisely why a Joule Thief needs a variable base resistor.

If you ignore that one more time and can't back up your own statements with a comprehensible and rational explanation that is rooted in real electronics, then that makes you a fraud.  The assumption in this case would be that you can't answer it and refuse to state that fact.  Thus making you ignorant about a lot of basic electronics and also a fraud.  On the other hand if you answer it properly or simply admit that you can't answer it, then you are real and all is good.

I just find the fake three-dollar-bill aspect to you to simply be too much sometimes.  Rest assured though that this is just a side-show to see if anything comes of the "Resonant Joule Thief."  I won't be interested if you disassemble a dish washer motor to do more "Brad's Electronics."

MileHigh

seychelles

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #976 on: March 18, 2016, 09:01:49 AM »
hi all

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #977 on: March 18, 2016, 09:03:09 AM »
that is me got hit by a stray bullet.

hoptoad

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #978 on: March 18, 2016, 11:05:57 AM »
SoooMH
did you ever build a resonant anything ? {Please In one word ...or less where tryin to cut Bandwidth Costs around here ]
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Chet:
In another life I probably did an electronics lab on parallel and series LC circuits.
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So that's a no then.

MileHigh

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #979 on: March 18, 2016, 11:10:40 AM »
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So that's a no then.

Go ahead and answer the simple questions about a resonating wine glass and show us your smarts.

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #980 on: March 18, 2016, 11:32:38 AM »
Go ahead and answer the simple questions about a resonating wine glass and show us your smarts.
I've never said I could or would answer your questions, or even rise to the challenge of trying.
But I have asked you to answer your own questions. However I'm quite content to wait for your answers in 'X' many weeks.
Your response to ramset indicates you seem to be incapable of simple yes or no answers to questions that only require a simple yes or no
for an answer, so I'm predicting your explanation will be a word salad. It will be a nice surprise if you prove me wrong.

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #981 on: March 18, 2016, 11:47:47 AM »
Yes but part and parcel of that is "Have you ever built a resonant device?" is a useless loaded question.  Have I ever had any reason to build a resonant device?  The answer to that is no.  Do I know about resonance and how to stop it on a PCB signal trace?  The answer to that is yes.

It's just too easy to plant a loaded question and gloat over it.  The real purpose for this is to learn about resonance and how to see it in our daily lives and describe it and understand how it works instead of it being a near-meaningless buzz word where many people don't even understand what it means.

Hypothetical example:  Bill Alek has a magical regenerative battery charger that is supposed to be able to make an ultra cheap electric bicycle from China that he wants to resell run indefinitely.  He claims that it is all based on resonance being used in his magic regenerative charge controller.  Bill Alek is interviewed on a trade show floor by a young university student and the university student asks Bill Alek to start off by explaining what resonance is by explaining how a wine glass resonates and how the resonant frequency of the wine glass is determined.  Bill Alek is stuck and he doesn't know what to say and asks the student to stop recording.

I did something like seven or eight courses in electronics more than 30 years ago.  I make no apologies for not remembering what I did in each of my electronics labs so I gave the best answer that I could.

tinman

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #982 on: March 18, 2016, 12:55:39 PM »
Sure Brad, "charge flows into magnetic centers."  That's a new one for the "Bizarro World Book of Brad's Electronics."  LED's running off of "core halves."  You were challenged on these crazy statements and made no attempt to explain yourself or offer any insight.  All that you could say is that you were right.  Another total fail and another case of don't go to the EEVBlog unless you want to be eaten alive.

You want to prove that you have learned something about real electronics over the past six years?

This:

So let us know precisely why a Joule Thief needs a variable base resistor.

If you ignore that one more time and can't back up your own statements with a comprehensible and rational explanation that is rooted in real electronics, then that makes you a fraud.  The assumption in this case would be that you can't answer it and refuse to state that fact.  Thus making you ignorant about a lot of basic electronics and also a fraud.  On the other hand if you answer it properly or simply admit that you can't answer it, then you are real and all is good.

I just find the fake three-dollar-bill aspect to you to simply be too much sometimes.  Rest assured though that this is just a side-show to see if anything comes of the "Resonant Joule Thief."  I won't be interested if you disassemble a dish washer motor to do more "Brad's Electronics."

MileHigh

Yawn. 8)

tinman

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #983 on: March 18, 2016, 01:13:33 PM »
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Sure Brad, "charge flows into magnetic centers."  That's a new one for the "Bizarro World Book of Brad's Electronics."

So a man that dose not know what the magnetic force is,is also an expert on what it is not ::)
Much the same as a person that dose not know what a car is,but is an expert at driving one lol.

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If you ignore that one more time and can't back up your own statements with a comprehensible and rational explanation that is rooted in real electronics, then that makes you a fraud.

Oh so you are the decision maker around here now?.
And now,if some one dose not answer your questions on demand,then they are a fraud lol.
Get over yourself MH--you are nothing of a sort--in fact,you are falling further behind with every post you make.
It's not that i cant answer it MH,it's just that i choose not to simply because you demand me too lol.
So no--no answer for you MH.

I won't be interested if you disassemble a dish washer motor to do more "Brad's Electronics."

Motor no longer needed.

 
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LED's running off of "core halves."  You were challenged on these crazy statements and made no attempt to explain yourself or offer any insight.  All that you could say is that you were right.

Only crazy to you MH,as you just cant follow simple instructions.
In fact,you only need a laminated core,and either a ground or hot connection. The LED can be lit from either the insulated core(laminated steel),and the ground side,or the core and the positive side. Or as i said,you can have two core halves (insulated from each other)within the conductive coil,and when that coil is pulsed,the two core halves will develop an opposite charge,and you can lite an LED when placed across those two core halves.
Like Webby said--dont you know a capacitor when you see one--dont you understand how the two halves are charged with an opposite polarity?.

Hence the question MH
-->What is the magnetic force?

 
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Another total fail and another case of don't go to the EEVBlog unless you want to be eaten alive.

Dose current flow through a capacitor MH?.



--->>What is the magnetic force MH ?.<<---

Brad

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #984 on: March 18, 2016, 02:54:30 PM »
So, you are exposed as a fraud and a BSer.  You can't answer the question about the supposed need for a variable base resistance for a Joule Thief and refuse to state that fact.  It was all just a bunch of BS and you haven't a clue about the basic electronics required to answer the question properly.  So the only solution for your original BS is to BS again.

Your can't back up your own statement, "Do you need an answer to understand the need for a variable base resistor MH?-or will your batteries simply remain at the rated voltage of 1.5 volt's?. That was a bit of a silly statement by your self MH."

The whole thing was just a bunch of BS and you thought that you were "smart" by saying you needed a variable base resistor.  You have been exposed as a fraud that makes BS statements to give people the impression that you know what you are talking about when in many cases you don't and it's just bluffing.  Who is making the silly statement now?

For the "charge flows into magnetic centers" we are back in Brad's world of random stream-of-consciousness, thoughts ricocheting all around like a bowl of agitated spaghetti, and extremely deficient communication skills and flat-out laziness to try to describe something properly.  It's like watching a Brad clip with a 10 minute introduction where he goes over 40 alligator clip connections to "give you the schematic."

So that's the ticket, you need to buy the "Super Brad Secret Decoder Ring" for this one because the regular secret decoder ring is not strong enough and simply can't unscramble the words and turn them into a coherent set of statements.

tinman

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #985 on: March 18, 2016, 03:39:01 PM »
So, you are exposed as a fraud and a BSer.  You can't answer the question about the supposed need for a variable base resistance for a Joule Thief and refuse to state that fact.  It was all just a bunch of BS and you haven't a clue about the basic electronics required to answer the question properly.  So the only solution for your original BS is to BS again.

Your can't back up your own statement, "Do you need an answer to understand the need for a variable base resistor MH?-or will your batteries simply remain at the rated voltage of 1.5 volt's?. That was a bit of a silly statement by your self MH."

The whole thing was just a bunch of BS and you thought that you were "smart" by saying you needed a variable base resistor.  You have been exposed as a fraud that makes BS statements to give people the impression that you know what you are talking about when in many cases you don't and it's just bluffing.  Who is making the silly statement now?

For the "charge flows into magnetic centers" we are back in Brad's world of random stream-of-consciousness, thoughts ricocheting all around like a bowl of agitated spaghetti, and extremely deficient communication skills and flat-out laziness to try to describe something properly.  It's like watching a Brad clip with a 10 minute introduction where he goes over 40 alligator clip connections to "give you the schematic."

So that's the ticket, you need to buy the "Super Brad Secret Decoder Ring" for this one because the regular secret decoder ring is not strong enough and simply can't unscramble the words and turn them into a coherent set of statements.

What is the magnetic force MH?

MileHigh

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #986 on: March 18, 2016, 03:53:27 PM »
Compliments of Encyclopedia Britannica:

Magnetic force, attraction or repulsion that arises between electrically charged particles because of their motion. It is the basic force responsible for such effects as the action of electric motors and the attraction of magnets for iron. Electric forces exist among stationary electric charges; both electric and magnetic forces exist among moving electric charges. The magnetic force between two moving charges may be described as the effect exerted upon either charge by a magnetic field created by the other.

From this point of view, the magnetic force F on the second particle is proportional to its charge q2, the magnitude of its velocity v2, the magnitude of the magnetic field B1 produced by the first moving charge, and the sine of the angle theta, θ, between the path of the second particle and the direction of the magnetic field; that is, F = q2B1v2 sin θ. The force is zero if the second charge is travelling in the direction of the magnetic field and is greatest if it travels at right angles to the magnetic field.

The magnetic force on a moving charge is exerted in a direction at a right angle to the plane formed by the direction of its velocity and the direction of the surrounding magnetic field.

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #987 on: March 18, 2016, 04:11:12 PM »
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So, you are exposed as a fraud and a BSer.

Oh come now MH,you can do better than that. ;)

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You can't answer the question about the supposed need for a variable base resistance for a Joule Thief and refuse to state that fact.

I refuse to state it because you demand i answer it. I bow to no man's demand's.
Oh,by the way-->did you do another choppy choppy on that particular quote--like left out what i was referring to?.  Could it be that you and myself were talking about the need for a self varying resistor setup,that decreases the base resistance as the battery voltage drop's,in order to keep the LED around the same brightness regardless of the voltage drop on the battery?--Did you leave that bit out MH? ;)

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It was all just a bunch of BS and you haven't a clue about the basic electronics required to answer the question properly.  So the only solution for your original BS is to BS again.

Well,as we can see once again,the BS is on your behalf.
Post 469 Quote: So show us your smart's MH--design a simple circuit that lowers the base resistance as the voltage in the battery drop's.
So there you go MH,you have been caught out once again. Once again you tried to twist things around,and you once again got caught ;).

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Your can't back up your own statement, "Do you need an answer to understand the need for a variable base resistor MH?-or will your batteries simply remain at the rated voltage of 1.5 volt's?. That was a bit of a silly statement by your self MH."

Yep,and i stand by it,due to the fact that you know exactly what was meant in my statement.
You tried once again to discredit me,and once again an epic fail.

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The whole thing was just a bunch of BS and you thought that you were "smart" by saying you needed a variable base resistor.  You have been exposed as a fraud that makes BS statements to give people the impression that you know what you are talking about when in many cases you don't and it's just bluffing. Who is making the silly statement now?

LMAO--you are MH,you are. You got caught out again-->how many times have you tried but failed now?. You know i was referring to a self adjusting base resistance in order to maintain the same light output from the LED as the battery voltage dropped. As the battery voltage drop's,the base resistance would decrease in order to maintain the same light output from the LED. You then tried to turn it into something that it was not,,---> And you got caught out !!AGAIN!! lol.
Now ,we will have none of this!!i cant understand what your saying!! bullshit MH,as Mags new exactly what i was talking about--> Quote post 470: While im at work, a lot of the time my mind is on this stuff. You and I are on the same plane it seems. I had thought of the 'exact' same thing. ;) To have the base control adjust as the batt voltage goes down.  Not sure of a self adjusting resistor but using another transistor(circuit) configured to do the job.
Good thought bud.

So nice try MH--but another epic fail.

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For the "charge flows into magnetic centers" we are back in Brad's world of random stream-of-consciousness, thoughts ricocheting all around like a bowl of agitated spaghetti, and extremely deficient communication skills and flat-out laziness to try to describe something properly.  It's like watching a Brad clip with a 10 minute introduction where he goes over 40 alligator clip connections to "give you the schematic."

Your inability to understand simple thing's is not my fault MH. ;)

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So that's the ticket, you need to buy the "Super Brad Secret Decoder Ring" for this one because the regular secret decoder ring is not strong enough and simply can't unscramble the words and turn them into a coherent set of statements.

Well as has been seen time and time again MH,you are the only one that has trouble understanding what i write.

So keep trying to discredit me MH,and i'll keep exposing you as the fraud you are---it's all writen in the thread ;)


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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #988 on: March 18, 2016, 05:05:04 PM »
Brad:

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Could it be that you and myself were talking about the need for a self varying resistor setup,that decreases the base resistance as the battery voltage drop's,in order to keep the LED around the same brightness regardless of the voltage drop on the battery?

There you go, you just made another epic fail and succeeded in doing a fine job of discrediting yourself.  Only in your mind would your statement make sense because of three factors, 1) you don't understand what is going on in the circuit, 2) you are too lazy to try to think it through, and 3) your arrogance and fake swagger bites you in the ass yet again.

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As the battery voltage drop's,the base resistance would decrease in order to maintain the same light output from the LED.

ROTFLMAO

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Well as has been seen time and time again MH,you are the only one that has trouble understanding what i write.

ROTFLMAO

Your prose is not resonating with a lot of people.  More cowbell.

MileHigh

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Re: Joule Thief 101
« Reply #989 on: March 19, 2016, 02:03:47 AM »
Brad:

There you go, you just made another epic fail and succeeded in doing a fine job of discrediting yourself.  Only in your mind would your statement make sense because of three factors, 1) you don't understand what is going on in the circuit, 2) you are too lazy to try to think it through, and 3) your arrogance and fake swagger bites you in the ass yet again.

ROTFLMAO

ROTFLMAO

Your prose is not resonating with a lot of people.  More cowbell.

MileHigh

Well MH,looking at your three responses, it is very clear that you have no idea as to how theses types of circuits work. All these years you posed as a guru,and here we see the simple thing's going way over your head.

You do realize MH,that i can back up all my claims with actual experiment's--dont you. And you do realize that !if! and when i do that,you will look even more silly than you do right now?.

I am surprised at all the mistakes you are making in this thread-->what has happened to you MH?.
Im guessing you have not seen my video regarding two core halves lighting an LED?. I mean,you are normally one of the first to view my video's,just so as you can add your thumbs down,but at the same time,not having the guts to make a comment--like most that leave a thumbs down.

Surly you are not that far behind that you cant understand how a steel laminated core can be 1 half of a capacitor,and that two of these steel laminated cores that see a different magnetic field polarity can be the two plates required to make a capacitor-->and hence the insistence of my question MH-->what is the magnetic force.
What is a capacitor MH? When a capacitor is charged,dose one plate have a higher potential than the other?, dose a magnetic field exist between the two plates when that capacitor is being charged or discharged ? where is the center of that magnetic field?.-->what is the magnetic force?

You are so quick to dismiss,but only because you lack the ability to understand.


Brad