You say tomato https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l05OuJ8GRs8

I don't think resonance can break that glass, ha ha.  I love that!  All those people at the party using this glass....
then...a little while later....they are all asleep.  Classic.

We need a beer mug that holds a case of beer...and...keeps it cold at the same time.

Bill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvJAgrUBF4w

Look!  Resonance and quantum entanglement!  The Illuminati!  Building 7!  Roswell!  All there if you just look!   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yaqUI4b974&feature=iv&src_vid=wvJAgrUBF4w&annotation_id=annotation_964432

Here is that same video without music so you can hear the actual tones.

MH, is this real?  Does sound really make these shapes or is it some sort of special effects vid?

Bill

I answered your questions exactly. I can show you the mathematics of how this works,
it is basically the same math I have shown in most of the other examples.

I could go further, and break down the system into each individual component, the glass, the dimensional component of its shape and size,
as well as the vibratory translational effects of the liquid inside the glass, in direct relation to the frequencies input, along a graph.

But let us skip all that with which you will continue to argue, and move forward to what is exactly your point?
Do you intend to give some obscure and enlightening vision of "the mechanisms of vibration and how they make the glass resonate"?
Or some terms by which this frequency should be determined, other than what I already stated?

Do you intend to share your "informed viewpoint" ?
Or did you simply come here to tell us that 200 years of physics is wrong, then leave us in the dark?

smOKy

MHs question is loaded,and can have many meanings. Of course we will be seen as using the wrong meaning,and that is how MH will claim his distorted victory. Look at his line bellow
apply that knowledge and !!crystallize!! it down to answering two simple questions about a resonating wine glass.
Maybe some sort of !whackadoo! hint as to where he is going--but of course we have already covered material makeup of the wine glass as being 1 of the determining factors as to how the frequency will be determined for that wine glass.

Determine
cause (something) to occur in a particular way or to have a particular nature.
ascertain or establish exactly by research or calculation.
firmly decide.

Determined
having made a firm decision and being resolved not to change it.
possessing or displaying resolve..

So MHs question-how !is! the resonant frequency determined in a wine glass,is a question.
The answer could be-you determine the resonant frequency of the wine glass by (1 example)-The "resonant" or "natural" frequency of the goblet can be determined by "pinging" it and listening to the pitch of the "ringing". By using a microphone and oscilloscope we can determine this resonant frequency quite accurately.
http://www.all-science-fair-projects.com/project424_89.html
So how is it determined?-- (in this case)it was determined by way of using a microphone and scope.

His question (how is it determined) could also mean the other answers we have already given--the chemical and physical makeup of the wine glass it self. All these factors would determine what the resonant frequency of the wine glass would be. His little crystallizecomment is covered in the structure(chemical) makeup of the wine glass it self.

So you see,his question is loaded,and has many meanings,and so his question(once again) is not definitive it self-much like the one he asked EMJ some time back on EMJs thread.
MH has nothing to show in regards to experiment's,and as you have seen here in this thread,is as yet to answer one of his question's--that will take 4 to 8 weeks. This gives him time to try and work out how he can emerge victorious,and how he can show everyone else that we have no idea as to what resonance is.

The fact that he made a very clear and precise statement that an ICE has no resonant systems,is testimony that he him self cannot or dose not understand resonance,and the effect it can have on different systems-like increase wanted energy output,while decreasing the required energy input.

So head's up smOKy-->beware of the loaded gun.


Brad

Brad:

Both you and Smoky2 have already been proven to be "resonance poseurs" simply because you can't answer those two very simple questions about resonance.  You both have failed and now you are just trying to do damage control.  Since you have this near mental obsession with never being perceived as being wrong you don't like it one bit.

I will give you an analogous question to make you think about this situation.

Suppose someone says, "How do you determine the maximum speed of your car in simple terms?"

Here is what you and Smoky are doing:

Well, it's very complicated.  The shape of the car has a coefficient of air friction, and then you can't forget the wind speed, and the nature of the road surface.  It depends on what gear the car is in and if it is going up hill or down hill or is on a flat surface.  Not sure what grade of gasoline is in the gas tank either.  Oops, there may be crosswinds also.  Also, the types of tires on the car make a difference, and we don't know if the tire pressure is correct in all of the tires.  Oh, the temperature of the air affects the density of the air also.  Then there is the displacement of the engine and how new the spark plugs are and if the fuel injectors are clean.

Oh no, I know the answer!  You get in the car and drive it as fast as it will go and you look at the speedometer!!!!   That was easy!

That's what you are doing, a bloody song and dance routine.

How do you determine the maximum speed of your car in simple terms?

The answer is the maximum speed of the car is determined from where the maximum horsepower that can be output by the engine is in balance with all of the air friction and various other friction forces.

And you guys clearly can't do that for the wine glass and if you truly understood resonance you would be able to do it no problem.

MileHigh

Brad:

So how is it determined?-- (in this case)it was determined by way of using a microphone and scope.

You are making a fool of yourself.

So you see,his question is loaded,and has many meanings,and so his question(once again) is not definitive it self-much like the one he asked EMJ some time back on EMJs thread.

The questions about the wine glass are not loaded, but you have to actually know what you are talking about.

You are outright lying about the very simple question that I asked EMJ that he could not answer.  If he actually understood how a coil worked and knew what he was talking about, he would have been able to answer the question without batting an eyelash.  Instead he threw everything he had at the very simple question and failed.  You are in a way in the same boat that he was in.

MileHigh

Brad:

Of course we will be seen as using the wrong meaning,and that is how MH will claim his distorted victory.

The real victory would be if you and Smoky2 applied yourselves and arrived at the simple universal understanding of true resonance and answered the wine glass questions correctly and then applied that new knowledge to the so-called "resonant Joule Thief."

If you have nothing new to add then you may as well wait until next month and cede the floor to Magluvin and Smoky2.

MileHigh

MileHigh,

My post was about the, IMO, 'uselesness' of some posts, indeed.
But was mostly about: "are (old fashioned - round shaped ) Leds 'OU' or not"?

I made one short experiment suggesting that, actually, these Leds might be 'OU'.
It also exists one scientific article about this. Sorry, I forgot the link.

What are your "Gerard Morin" stuff about? Mudding the water?
Are you suggesting that Gerard Morin" is a "nice French man"?
Or, am I missing something ?

Tu sais quoi? Je crois que tu es français.
Je crois que tu n'as pas apprécié mon "Salut les blaireaux".
De toute façons je pense que tu es un Troll.
Méfies toi, si cela est le cas, ce n'est pas bon pour ton Karma. )
"Le Karma des Trolls" voila un bon sujet de discussion. Non?
 

This is my last answer. I will not even read any of your posts anymore.

Mignoniaj a-berz jean

Nerzh, Tagor:

You are the guys that are trolling this thread.  We are trying to talk about resonance and you are disturbing the thread.

Brad:

A great example of some one that cannot or dose not understand  all factors involved.
There is one vital piece missing from the highlighted above that must also be taken into account,which has been missed--not surprising (http://overunity.com/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
A great example of where the !self proclaimed! teacher dosnt know what he is trying to teach.

Who here knows what other factor has been missed in the above highlighted?.

The only true way of knowing the vehicles top speed for the environment it is to be operated in,is indeed to actually  get in the car and drive it as fast as it will go, and you look at the speedometer,or to have some one use something like a speed camera(radar gun) to record your speed.   That truly is the only time you will get an accurate answer.

But did you get the points that I am making?  Do you understand that in my example the question of measuring the maximum speed of the car is irrelevant, I am not even interested in it.  It's all about understanding how you determine the maximum speed, not actually measuring it.

Do you get my points and understand how they apply to the wine glass discussion or not?

MileHigh