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innovation_station

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #390 on: December 06, 2009, 07:20:55 PM »
you all know what is happening here... dont you ... 

lol 

wonderful job everyone ... 


quantum leep im right at your doorstep...

i give it 6 months ... and  we will be at an UNMATCHED POINT IN HUMAN HISTORY...  well not that were not already there now at that point .. but .. i mean  crazy wild ...

things the size of your hand powering cars...   wouldnt that be wild to see...  now imagine where this goes ...  on a higher level it goes wild tooo  just as teck increases .. as do abilities...

not that cars will be around that long eather .. but there here now and humans understand how electricty can power a motor and turn some wheels ...  so i do wonder why they burn oil...  thats so cave man ... 

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #391 on: December 06, 2009, 07:39:39 PM »

@groundloop and gadetmail;

Keep up the excellent work. I have to say that my expectations about demonstratable
overunity energy have gone to the next higher level, because of this project, which
has not really happened before now. Please keep it simple and open as you target the
Overunity.com prize. Please let everyone have a crack at building a demonstrator
PCB unit and do this before implementing any product plans.

I hate to say this, but I feel the fate of the future earth's ecosystems could very well
lay in your hands...Don't blow this without a good effort on your part. That is how
progress happens...and the way things are.

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Sometimes it may be better to light one small LED than it is to curse the darkness.

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #392 on: December 06, 2009, 07:44:20 PM »
Alex , The CSA version of the chip is free sample and its Mini  dip  package type so so it does have legs and i used to work for Uscellular on their cell phones so i can solder these . the adapter is not that expensive i found one here http://www.proto-advantage.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=2200216

there 4.99 plus shipping 3.00 for one adapter from soic to dip . I think i would rather solder the mini so csa chip and NOT buy an adapter but for testing i bought two adapters so i can run it on a proto board. I have two chips  coming from maxim for samples  . The Chip above in the picture is out of the question and will be scrapped its umax and useless for our project here . No problem though , i'll wait and get the csa versions next week . I MIGHT be able to solder them on a solder proto board on the backside where the copper points are . So please wait before you spend money on pro boards .
Albert

I got a few more toy Ic's from Maxim and One is real interesting . It is an 8 pin DIP  max1771epa+ /  its a 2 volt to 12 upconverter . I can't wait to test this on the cap output for another purpose !


PS... i just ordered 2 soic to dip adapters for 12.98 Us .so not too bad . This will convert the free chips to 8pin dip which i have sockets for . Also you can order weekly free samples from maxim  2 each up to 7 items for free !! . Already order three times and requested quotes on less quanity than 1000 . We will see .

Guyss this is going to be Great ! . I know this will self run manually so this circuit is going to work i do believe, for the worlds first public self runner anyone can make and own ! well almost anyone .

I can't wait to buy the circuit board!!!  Nice work guys keep it up!

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #393 on: December 06, 2009, 08:05:30 PM »
@mscoffman,

Thank you for those encouraging words. :-)

@stprue,

I will have the boards around the 18 of December. I will ship off 24 boards to Gadget asap
after that. Then I will build the circuit, develop the firm ware and test the circuit. If you
ask Gadget then I'm sure he can spare a board to you also. We need at least three replications
of his circuit setup.

Alex.

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #394 on: December 06, 2009, 09:12:46 PM »
@ Groundloop:

That is excellent work!  Your efforts here are greatly appreciated.  That is a work of art.  I am looking forward to seeing this work.



@ All:

I found this on Youtube.

Boiling water in a 3kw kettle using ultracaps:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RWaCE_SW8w&feature=related

This is great as it took only about 20 seconds to do this.

I thought you guys might want to see this.

Bill

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #395 on: December 06, 2009, 09:54:17 PM »
@mscoffman,

Thank you for those encouraging words. :-)

@stprue,

I will have the boards around the 18 of December. I will ship off 24 boards to Gadget asap
after that. Then I will build the circuit, develop the firm ware and test the circuit. If you
ask Gadget then I'm sure he can spare a board to you also. We need at least three replications
of his circuit setup.

Alex.
Alex,
So Sweet . You read My mind . I was going to ask you to post the pictorial layout ! . Shouldn't you wait until i test the feedback circuit before ordering  ? OR if your sure it will do its intended job then it's a go  !

Albert

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #396 on: December 06, 2009, 10:07:42 PM »
Albert,

The circuit will do what it is designed to do.
We can always improve the circuit later on.

Bill,

Thanks :-)

Alex.

innovation_station

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #397 on: December 06, 2009, 10:15:58 PM »
good work gl

i have been testing my coil and i can not get it to run  real well  its more of a higher volt amp thing ...

so i guess ill put it away for now .. and wind a new one  but i will do only 1 layer and i will use fine wire .. 28ga .. and ill go equal mass .. 

same as the last one ..

it is not that it does not work ...  it is thats its a week magfeild ..  and not much inductance .. 

this will change ..  the next one will be just 3 coils ...  and i will get better results from a aa battery ..  than the one showen ..  its more for the ultra boost caps .. setup ..

ist 

so i guess back to work .. for a much higher self inductance coil ... 

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #398 on: December 06, 2009, 11:18:40 PM »
William,

Thanks. :-)

Good luck with your coils.

Alex.

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #399 on: December 06, 2009, 11:30:50 PM »
@All . IF there is an interest and this project Flys like i think it will then i might get many more boards made but they are expensive to make so there will have to be a great interest . I am not rich and neither is Alex . We want the same thing however and I am sure everyone will have the opportunity to build one even without a factory Board . I intend to start building one on a solder prototype board starting next week .Just as soon as we get this done , i'll make a video as Stephan requested and send to him to he can upload it for us  and then send  Stephan one and let him make his decision . May be not the whole prize, maybe all of it,maybe overunity/selfrun is not enuff. we will see. this project is going to hit the maximum limit for part and labor cost because if the initial works and research in prototypes and i want to be able to help recoup cost . The Final product should not cost over 160 dollars including the cap at todays cost . But after it's made ,verified and released  look out for bcaps to increase dramatically as workd spreads.  . This is why we need all the EE"s and guys that are capable of building this to replicate it  NOW !.All the information is here now except the pic code ,so get it ready! Or you can help By Submitting your best Jt design with the highest output ,both Volts and amps off of your CE junction or secondary to facilitate faster charging of these monster B caps . I can get a few more i held back and really didn't want to sell anymore but if you really need one i will sell you one . you can practice with 10-30 farad supercaps . Please report you design here and submit your volts and amp reading with the type of toroid and windings ,transistor etc. The unit must operate from one cell range 1.2 1.6 volts  and produce more than My standard design  . I have rectified the CE junction with one germanium diode . I chose this for  the minimum voltage drop . to do your test i sugesst a one ohm resistor across that junction and take your readings across it . This will simulate what the bcap looks like on your transistor . Its almost a dead short and a wonder it even oscillates and induces into a secondary !There are better Jt's,transistors and better cores than the 1 inch goldmine but these are very good ones .  I am getting about 10-12 volts @ 5.5 milliamps from The 2n2222a junction and microamps from the secondary . My secondary will light up 1 watt leds but no current is their only Micramps/  . remember the transistor should operate at a minimium input to prolong the battery life . My circuit will run for over one week pulling 20ma . I prefer 13 ma and i get over two weeks continuous bcap charging s from my standard Jt and Yes one wire jump thru a 1.2 volt flashlight bulb   b trickles the battery just enuff to keep the battery charging and the bcap from discharging any great amount or amps ,only 100'th of volts and milliamps  . this is VERY good because the work required to keep the unit running dosent run the bacp down below unity !!
Any help is appreciated and you will included in the group . As i said before and on my honor  if i win all that contributed will win as well and get a share and access . Also the very least is a self running light source  / with a powerful output . I think the Charge time MUST BE CUT DOWN so if you want to get involved then submit your data,design jt  with pictures .

Gadget
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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #400 on: December 06, 2009, 11:41:08 PM »
here is another design .. 

real easy ...

make a aircore jt on a thick wire...  this can have an idependent supply from a aa  then i need a ubc
and u charge it from the jt ... simple then you drain the ubc while it is rechargeing from the jt ...  and the air core jt squeezes the ubc on its way out ... orrr   i can take the fly back from the jt and power a free PUSH COIL ...  hummmmmmm


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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #401 on: December 06, 2009, 11:41:19 PM »
Al:

I would consider Jeanna's coil for this maybe? (The same as the Jeanna's Light circuit)  At almost 1,500 volts the charge cycle would not take long at all on the b-cap.

Now this is what I have learned with mine so far.  At first, you think you can't feed 1,500 volts into the little 2.7 b-cap and in reality, maybe that is a bit too high, but you can send in a very large voltage signal from a JT that the b-caps "converts" for lack of a better term, into power/voltage via capacitance formulas.

So even though the 1,500 volts input has very little amperage, when that b-cap gets to 2.7 volts and cuts off the input signal, you will have a full cap.  I think this would happen very quickly too.

Anyway, my two cents.  There are other very good JT's out there with much lower outputs and they may be better for this application, I don't know for sure.  But, Godspeed on this project Al, I feel confident that something very good will come of this.

Bill

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #402 on: December 06, 2009, 11:42:33 PM »
Here is a good and simple design

I think 250 @26guage Primary

15 by 3 BC coils

These are approximate!  Good Voltage and easy design.

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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #403 on: December 07, 2009, 12:04:07 AM »
Al:

I would consider Jeanna's coil for this maybe? (The same as the Jeanna's Light circuit)  At almost 1,500 volts the charge cycle would not take long at all on the b-cap.

Now this is what I have learned with mine so far.  At first, you think you can't feed 1,500 volts into the little 2.7 b-cap and in reality, maybe that is a bit too high, but you can send in a very large voltage signal from a JT that the b-caps "converts" for lack of a better term, into power/voltage via capacitance formulas.

So even though the 1,500 volts input has very little amperage, when that b-cap gets to 2.7 volts and cuts off the input signal, you will have a full cap.  I think this would happen very quickly too.

Anyway, my two cents.  There are other very good JT's out there with much lower outputs and they may be better for this application, I don't know for sure.  But, Godspeed on this project Al, I feel confident that something very good will come of this.

Bill
Bill i also ordered 4 samples from them the same time you did . I expect them in by next week . This is why i ask other to help with there date as explained . I don't have time as i am building the Ou conrtroller and getting ready for Asia's Christmas . I don't see a problem running 1500 volts into a 2.5 volt 2.7 farad cap as long as you can ,measure the current and monitor the volts . By the time you short that 1500volts with an bcap it will be nill .test this by putting a one ohm resistor on that output and you will see what i mean .  My standard secondary unloaded and rectified produced 75 volts but it will not charge the bcap ! so i suspect current it the main component in my charging off the transistor .
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Re: Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits
« Reply #404 on: December 07, 2009, 12:09:20 AM »
ok here is another simple design

i will string  many jt 1" on 1 coper loop all the fly back from all the jt's ....  fly out through the loop to the CHARGEING BCAP..

simple basic ... bla bla ...

ist ...

as i recall i never had a problem with my secondaries  to charge most ANY CAP ... i have never held a ubc yet i can only imagine they will charge faster ...

ok so i have 30 1" gold mines ... ill just wind 11 turns bifillar on each ...  as a normal jt  no resistor .. or with a resistor honestly i dont care ...  i have 100 pots i was gonna use on the grow lights and such ... but  basically 30 bridges 30 2n 22222a hook em all up as 1 .. let them run  and pulse them ...   out put from all combine into the b cap ...

i will sell some some of my ring designs ...  if anyone cant built them and wants a unit ... let me know ...  you buy the materials .. and i build it its just that simple ... 

none the less many things work on teslas work ... lol   many things ... 

anyhow first thing i built when i started out was my TURBINE ...   and the n machine design ...  lol

over unity ... ?   i guess so ....   

william
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