Has Winsonali flown the coop? The silence is deafening.

He was last signed in yesterday (18th) but hasn't posted since the 10th. That's never a good sign.

Eh, I just get a little paranoid from time to time. Concerned that he either sold out or got whacked.

On another note, I just realized that since his "syphon" method determines the resonance of the circuit it's working with, it might be a great power supply for an efficient electrolyzer. Resonance was the key to Bob Boyce's electrolyzer from what i've read.

Hi Stephan,

I do not know if it works if you do not place it directly beside the meter.
lets assumeyou have a linelength of 10 meter away from the power-meter you will have additional
inductivity involved.

On the website ( scroll down to the middle)  :

http://www.boondee.net/electric-power-saver/b4-88.html

they decribe the box has to be placed as close as possible to the breaker-switch-control-panel. Do they mean " the fuse-panel" ?

The subject is also discussed at ATS here :

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread395990/pg1

Kator01

I bought one of those Power Savers on Ebay and took it apart.

It is just a 5uf 450 VAC Capacitor directly across the wall outlet that is for Power Factor Correction.

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Hi Fatbird,
just a cap is a shame,
can you please test it with a power meter,
if the cos Phi power factor when connecting CFLs
goes up from around 0.6 to at least 0.95
just with this cap ?

But the Bondee box does contain many more parts:

see video:
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/590740/2869218

But it is probably illegal in western countries, so I would
not advice using it.

Just only device that just try to bring the CosPhi
power factor to always be 1 instead of just 0.5 or so...
(Mostly when you use inductive motors)

I just looked at the above link you provided Stefan,
I can tell you with great certainty that IS NOT
just a power factor correction unit.

Yes, power correction units have additional components,
they have an IC, and a bank of power components on heatsink.

Dedicated single IC examples:

http://www.fairchildsemi.com/whats_new/pfc.html

http://www.irf.com/product-info/smps/fs8383.html

http://focus.ti.com/paramsearch/docs/parametricsearch.tsp?family=analog&familyId=406&uiTemplateId=NODE_STRY_PGE_T

These switch in and out of circuit large capacitors at the feedpoint,
based on the overall misalignment of load to line (Power Factor).

This unit has only a couple on small electrolytic's (A top),
and medium sized ones at the other end (Vid bottom.).

Those are polarity sensitive components that are not
the type needed to apply to a line as power correction.

There is a complete lack of regular capacitors in it...


I do see what would be needed to make a buck supply.

The whole lead/lag aspect of connecting an inductive load
to a supply line that is in itself and inductor (Really long feed)
can never end well.

But convention has been on individual motors to supply a "Run" cap
to offset the inductance to bring the load more in sync with the sine.

The idea of a buck supply filling the empty gap
in the lagging waveform is novel.

But it would be the size of a fridge if you tried to make one.

If someone wants to buy it,
I'll reverse engineer it.

Board layout, schematic, and theory
all on a silver platter if you wish!

I'll do it for free even. 

Now if you asked my if I could make a buck circuit to spin
a faraday disc power meter backwards with only a light bulb load.

An have it fit in that box...yeah, thats do-able...LOL.

Just think phase lead instead of phase lag.


Note 1:
Edited to remove yet more of those pesky capital "A" intrusions
 that replaced a whole word...
This time all instances of the word "Vid" were replaced...

Note 2:
I had to edit the edit (Note 1) to replace the word "Vid" in it too...

Note 3:
OK, this is getting fustrating.

Both the instances in the above post,
and in the above "Note 1" changed back
when I wrote "Note 2"

Look, if you see an "A" in this post guys,
replace it with "V I D" (Spaces on purpose...)

Mechanical power meters probably have a fixed
signal frequency bandwidth limits. Going outside
that bandwidth can probably produce anomalies.

But I can say, I disapprove of attempting to steal
power from anyone.

:S:MarkSCoffman