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aaron5120

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #585 on: December 22, 2009, 09:36:51 AM »
the KEY to understand

this is with my own experiments i called this effect "MDFGR" mutual dynamic field gate resistance if we control this effect we can simply convert the magnetic field in electric field.

what this effect is when magnetic lines passing through a current carrying conductor which is not magnetically permeable this effect force the material to to aligned atomic poles in the direction of external field flow as a result this changes the structure and gates of electronic arrangements and due to this reason the resistance of the material dynamically reduces and it starts consuming more and more current.
 

this phenomena is applicable to those materials which are good electrical conductor but poor magnetic conductor.
i have recently developed the formulation of an FE3o4 based alloy with some coating that wire will give you the same effect as core based coils but there will be no core required so we have reduced the greater mechanical force hindrance without lossing the efficiency

   
the circular disk magnets facing each other can produce more power then conventional generators. there is a key don't get the power until and unless it is at the peak and stop taking the power instantly once you fill the power bucket. as i have done in genie.

Very interesting and revealing insights, Winsonali.
I guess then, the external ring magnet (that enclose the shield and inner magnet) is a ceramic one with a silver coating? Because it is easier to make a ferrite disk with silver coating than to make a ferrite alloy wire  with silver coating, not to say silver or gold coated wires are very expensive in the audio industry!
Now I understand the switching time for the disk magnet coil generator setup, it should close the circuit at peak voltage and after filling up the capacitor, it shoud open circuit to avoid Lenz drag or whatever opposing force then arised.
The controller is a switching circuit for filling up capacitors.
Please Winsonali, can you elaborate more on the making of the outer disk magnet with respect to the inner magnet, and whether the coils need special wires for preventing the Lenz effect to arise?
many thanks for your explanations in advance!  ;)

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #586 on: December 22, 2009, 11:50:10 AM »
aaron

 here is more information and why this setup is better then conventional methods also i have mentioned how to wind the coil in this way it will reduce magnetic resistance and give you smooth output

also i have mention the MOSFET on / off times for load collection




tinu

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #587 on: December 22, 2009, 12:25:34 PM »
"Time will reveal what i have"

... the unit is now self running
...

Well, this is again one HUGE statement!
Such statements can not go by without reacting, even in a forum like this one.
Time will tell indeed but so far time rejected all statements of this kind…

So, here we are again. You know me by know; I usually either highlight the potential (universons, blazelabs etc) or try, in good fair, to correct the errors (often measurements errors –case with ‘the genie’) or I portray the whole picture in irony where there is no other hope (Tseung et all, Milkovik etc) or plainly slap into the face of ordinary liars (i.e. magnetic motor of Bedini etc) .

How should I react now, after reading that you have a self runner?!
(How should anyone reacting after hearing about such an accomplishment?!  ???)
Since you hesitate in posting the evidences (which I can fully understand why), I wait like everyone else for your future steps. So, I look forward open-minded and kindly ask you to try avoiding choosing a wrong road ahead. Even if you are onto something, there are good chances you screw everything up.
I kindly suggest you plan your proofs rigorously. At the current stage of OU (non-existent  ;)), making a proof that OU exists would make a great difference. If you’re willing to partially or fully disclose, that would be GREAT but even if you do not want to disclose a thing, a solid proof of OU would still help. Can you make it? Can you produce and deliver solid proofs that you have achieved OU even without disclosing the substance of your invention?
If you can do that, I offer to help if necessary, by testing the device and by publishing the results. I have no problems in signing also a NDA if you need one signed. I’ll buy the device for testing (actually I’d like to have 2 devices for testing) and I’ll bear all necessary expenses. I also fully accept you do not need me during testing (during the preparation of proofs) but irrefutable proofs following your statement still need to be produced in a reasonable timeframe. In case they do not show up, I regretfully will conclude you have nothing and it would then be reasonable for you to withdraw your claim/statement.

Comments, pls?
Do you consider the above fair?
If so, expectations and associated timeframes?

Best regards,
Tinu

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #588 on: December 22, 2009, 12:58:02 PM »
tinu

fully agreed with you some of the people have already seen the device and some very good members are due to come to see the demonstration very shortly

i have planned everything and have acquired the place for factory here in Northampton where we will be manufacturing them and i am doing all this at my own...

when you say error in measurement genie is now working through DC supply no more dimmer so the chances for error reduced greatly and due to DC input i am capable to feed the output back.

one or 2 devices are not at all problem once the unit is ready for sale any number you can get.

during this period what  ever knowledge i have i am discussing and learning more everyday and i think most of member of the forum are far more knowledgeable then me you can go through with my posts they are all weightless and without knowledge.
   
 

wattsup

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #589 on: December 22, 2009, 01:43:54 PM »
tinu
when you say error in measurement genie is now working through DC supply no more dimmer so the chances for error reduced greatly and due to DC input i am capable to feed the output back.

Does the DC input now mean you have bypassed the AC input step downing and rectification?

Good move. That is the only way to simplify your device for future "Show and Tell". lol

I would like to ask you the same question I asked others about their device to give members here the idea on the level of complexity.

So, how many stages or steps does your device require to function as it does. This includes major steps and side steps. I mean it is surely not a 1 step power in/power out. My guess 7-8 minimum.

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #590 on: December 22, 2009, 02:06:26 PM »
@winsonali

Regarding the drawing you show above of the winding which is simple bifilar, may I suggest instead 3 to 4 bifilars twisted 6-10 turns per inch then wound.

During passage through a coil, you have magnet to iron core relation but you also have magnet to energized coil relation as load is increased. The above will reduce the out bound coil field hence the magnet to coil relation and increase amperage output.

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #591 on: December 22, 2009, 02:35:49 PM »
wattsup:

the setup of the mechanical generation is100 %working unit and a very efficient one i develop this for third world countries where they need fan attaching this kind of generator with fan will give power to run other appliances getting extra power lower cost and they need air through fan in any way

about coil i don't know about bifilar but i did it to produce equal and opposite mag field when coil consume current.

whatever will come up now for energy solution is not that easy it is very complex as you know i was working on DC input for genie i have completed that section. and also load balancing in the final stage.
there are more sensors and quite complex switching....

now coming to multiple stages i have not given 2nd though about that i am working on unified PCB and its smt layout and planning for final design once i will complete that work then i will think about these things.
 


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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #592 on: December 22, 2009, 09:34:46 PM »
Ali,
 
do you know why you don't have a closed loop running system, because they are not possible, given your configuration,  it would be perpetual motion, an impossibility.

On the other side, if you found a source of free energy, then you would understand it, but I don't see it from you.  A bunch of pulses imitating a sign wave is not free energy.

don't deceive yourself,  because I'm not. 

I appreciate your sharing and exploring, but please don't make claims you can't substantiate.  Words are cheap on this forum.

EM

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #593 on: December 23, 2009, 04:05:32 AM »
aaron

 here is more information and why this setup is better then conventional methods also i have mentioned how to wind the coil in this way it will reduce magnetic resistance and give you smooth output

also i have mention the MOSFET on / off times for load collection
Many thanks for this information, WinsonAli. They are very important for me in order to replicate the Mechanical Generator.
One last thing I want to consult is the shape of the external magnet (See the attachment), is it a ring magnet, with a perforated hole in the centre, or is it a cup magnet that masks the whole shield and inner magnet? And which is the material used for it, ceramic or NeFeB? If it is a NeFeB, a grade 40 will do? How thick the external magnet should be in order to accomplish the compression job?
Thanks for your help, Ali. And congratulations for achieving self-running of your Solid State Genie! ;)
Aaron5120

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #594 on: December 23, 2009, 10:28:01 AM »
EM devices:
i can understand your point of view as i can see your posts on TPU many years of work but no results
any way for me your are very respected and have very good knowledge. i have developed some thing different you will see soon... a small story

In a village there was no rain for long time all wise and elderly man decided to pray for blessing of GOD and gathered next  morning in a ground all wise and elderly man came bare handed only one young boy came with an umberalla and rain coat.....

Lesson to learn.....  only the young boy have believe in what he was......


may be i am the young boy believing in my hard work

arron:

the attached picture will help you you don't need 2 magnets the arrangement you provide sheilding and central magnet..

more power full magnets means more current......

 

aaron5120

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #595 on: December 23, 2009, 04:24:23 PM »
arron:

the attached picture will help you you don't need 2 magnets the arrangement you provide sheilding and central magnet..

more power full magnets means more current......
Hi Winsonali,
Often the most elegant solution ends up being the most simple one. I must conceed that your solution is brilliant, and yet very simple!
Thank you very much , Winsonali, and my hat's off to your good self.
I will proceed to order the magnets and to make the iron shields now.
Best Regards,
Aaron5120

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #596 on: December 23, 2009, 04:26:23 PM »
 winsonali

I am fully agree with you.  keep the good work .

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #597 on: December 23, 2009, 04:42:12 PM »
 aaron 5120

all the best and keep the good work

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #598 on: December 24, 2009, 12:30:16 PM »
aaron

 here is more information and why this setup is better then conventional methods also i have mentioned how to wind the coil in this way it will reduce magnetic resistance and give you smooth output

also i have mention the MOSFET on / off times for load collection
Hi Winsonali,
Regarding the magnet pole setup I came up with a question and would like to have you clarification:
According to your magnet pole setup as per first attachment, the poles are alternating, that is N-S-N-S-N- etc, in order to regauge the coil and produce AC current in the pick up coils. The waveform you show in the picture confirmed that.
But according to the photos taken, the disks contains 5 disk magnets(see attachment 2), so they will be: N-S-N-S-N. But then the last one will repeat as N-N after going one round of 360 degrees.
Should not be it necessary to have minimum 6 disk magnets in each wooden disks instead of 5 magnets?
Please clarify this point, as it is very important for the replication, thanks!
aaron5120

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #599 on: December 25, 2009, 11:03:26 AM »
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"I see some of you talk about breaking Lenz's Law and I think most people have the wrong impression about what it is. All lenz's law states is that the polarity of the voltage induced by the changing magnetic field is OPPOSING the applied voltage, it is simply analogous to the inertial force that always acts against the applied force.  Without inertia you would not build up momentum or energy, same with electricity.  If you don't have this effect it means you're not building up a magnetic field, which contains energy.  Some people build bifilar coils and claim they have broken Lenz's law, when in reality they have a poor coil with less inductance. I'm telling you guys, if you want free energy,   look for free SOURCES OF ENERGY, instead of wasting precious time on stupid notions like "breaking lenz's law"

I do not think it is a waste of time as any time we examine something or seek knowledge about it we learn something new and when we learn enough we gain an intimate understanding of what in fact it really is, this is called evolution. As well your statements would seem to hold to the conventional view when it should be obvious that few if any who have accomplished extraordinary things hold this view, we could say they were very unconventional in their thinking. As far as "stupid notions like breaking lenz law" is concerned, it is in fact a very easy thing to do when you understand "what" it really is. Consider your statement---"All lenz's law states is that the polarity of the voltage induced by the changing magnetic field is OPPOSING the applied voltage"---, when a magnet approaches a coil there is no applied voltage only induced voltage, when a changing(motional) permanent magnetic field induces a voltage in a coil there is no opposition until a current flows and produces a magnetic field in opposition to the motional one. It should be obvious that the induced voltage has little to do with Lenz Law until this induced voltage is allowed to flow as an electric current producing an opposing magnetic field. I wonder what might happen if instead of inducing a current in the coil we could store the induced voltage as an electric field to which Lenz law does not apply?. In fact this is what many inventors have done, they store energy as an electric or capacitive field and release this stored energy out of phase with the passing magnet on a rotor. As you can see this is not a conventional way of doing things and this is why it works, Lenz Law is not a "LAW" it is a theory upheld by repetition --- of doing the same things over and over. The world is not flat and it does not revolve around you, machines heavier than air can fly and this silly notion of breaking Lenz Law is in fact quite easy to understand but it depends on two things--- knowledge and perspective.
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AC