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winsonali

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #540 on: December 14, 2009, 08:26:51 AM »
GOTOLUC:

VERY GOOD VIDEOS

Mile high is right the effects are canceling each other in first clip so you are not getting any magnetric feild.

the next video you are making just insert metal  in side the core so that it is not coming out of copper wire you will get high voltage very good current and at the same time the shielding effect will prevent lenz force  a lot.

i have done this test recently but i was using 2 dics and 5 magnets on each side and then the coil in between
i was getting 56 volts and i used simple roof hanging fan motor and i was continuously switching t on and off there was not at all any effect on the speed with or without load  there is a key in my setup i have shield the south pole in north pole and even you move the disc by hand they keep on moving like a flywheel and produce output till it stops and never exerted any braking force  i am posting the pictures it might help you. I didn't continue this setup as i was working on Motionless electric generator so i keep this project for my next task to built a self running fan which can provide air as well as light a energy saver for free. this product is best for villages where there is no electricity at all




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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #541 on: December 14, 2009, 08:55:58 AM »
Hi MileHigh,

I thought this could be the case.
First I connected one coil to a 1 Ohm load and 60uf motor cap and approached the coil to pickup the best voltage on the load which was 1.30vac. I then added the coil to get no Lenz effect and retested using the same load and got it to 1.20vac with the coil at about the same position. I'm doing this by hand so at this time I don't have accurate results but it looks very promising to me.

There's nothing remarkable by this.
The reason for the coils not completely canceling each other is due to them not having the same flux cutting through the wires.
One coil is further away from the magnet and isn't getting less current induced than the closest one.
You might have found some anomaly here, but I'd bet the reason is more likely you missing out on some important issue
regarding coils and magnetic induction "know how". The lesser Lenz is interesting though.....
I wish you the best and will continue to read this thread with great interest.

aaron5120

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #542 on: December 14, 2009, 09:01:55 AM »
gotoluc

the ferrite core works on the principles as per faraday laws
v = N d B/dt
means voltage is directly proportional to rate of change of flux 42 KHz means in other words/ mechanical analogy
a generator working on 2520000 RPM

now in this case the benefit is you need less number of turns , higher current, less spikes low value of capacitor to provide dc conversion notch filing gaps of wave form. The ferrite core can lose its value of B very quickly or its BH curve is very steep and vertical. so you cannot get the fly wheel effect
for example mechanical analogy
if you use a 250 gram wheel on a motor top you will get low momentum but if you use 2 kg wheel you will get high momentum and that will store more kinetic energy then light weight one.
some times it is desired to use light weight wheel and some times it is required to use heavy weight wheel it depends on requirement.

now 99% percent books will say that the CRGO( cold roll grain oriented ) core is not siutable for high frequency such as 20KHz they are siutable for 50 hz to 100 hz or some times 400HZ thats all

here this is misunderstanding and this is the biggest advantage when they refer 50 to 400 hZ means core cannot return to neutral position faster then this frequency so any attempt to get it back or reversing the polarity faster then the prescribed values will heat the core and do nothing but loses.

Now understand what we are doing we switch the magnetic field in one direction and then with in mill seconds turn it off, the flux retains there the output will get the same effect but you have turned off your supply now before the core starts going back you pushed it again so you are getting the fly wheel effect but the out put is same and with each and every switching you will get BEMF going into battery again.

in ferrite core you do switch the frequency in reverse direction every time or if you have single direction switching you tend to reverse the magnetic flux to min during off period so you didn't get any advantage.
SMPS were designed to reduce the size of supply and they are complex circuits and serving there purpose very well otherwise you can imagine a computer power supply can be bigger then the computer itself. due to high current requirement.

the above technique will increase the time of your inverter twice and very use full for solar panel or windmills.
if you need one unit i can send you the normal weight of a UPS for a 1000VA is 12KG.

the technique of BEMF collection involve smart switching and turns off the main supply during BEMF collection.
Winsonali,
I understand perfectly your analogy about the advantage of using the B-H characteristics of the cores for your own benefit in power switching systems. The area within the B-H curve is the hyterisis loss for signal processing, and in audio aplification, the more symmetric, and the more narrow the area, the better for reducing THD and distrotion losses. But in our case, we are dealing with power generation and convertion, so now the area of the hyterisis and its horizontality is advantagous for Winsonali.
When we are switching power over 20KHz, choosing expensive audio amp. transformer cores for Ali's design is not a good option, due to the core's B-H  characteristics. The conventional Silicon Steel laminates will do, because of the B-H hyterisis area and its curve inclination.
The J. Flynn parallel path principal I think, if choosing the right core material, and the right switching frequency, and using BEMP recovery technics, would be a nice conventional generator, though it is not a No Lenz one.

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #543 on: December 14, 2009, 09:28:11 AM »
GOTOLUC:

VERY GOOD VIDEOS

Mile high is right the effects are canceling each other in first clip so you are not getting any magnetric feild.

the next video you are making just insert metal  in side the core so that it is not coming out of copper wire you will get high voltage very good current and at the same time the shielding effect will prevent lenz force  a lot.

i have done this test recently but i was using 2 dics and 5 magnets on each side and then the coil in between
i was getting 56 volts and i used simple roof hanging fan motor and i was continuously switching t on and off there was not at all any effect on the speed with or without load  there is a key in my setup i have shield the south pole in north pole and even you move the disc by hand they keep on moving like a flywheel and produce output till it stops and never exerted any braking force  i am posting the pictures it might help you. I didn't continue this setup as i was working on Motionless electric generator so i keep this project for my next task to built a self running fan which can provide air as well as light a energy saver for free. this product is best for villages where there is no electricity at all
I think shielding one of the poles of the magnet will probably reduce the flux density lines by half. The magnets seems to be of Audio speakers origin. And they are shielded by MuMetal covers.
Some hard numbers must be gethered to figure out whether this configuration will be efficient for power genration. Maybe in the case of a conventional generator setup, a weakened Lenz response will also reduce the output of the generator, despite there is no visible drag for the rotor.

winsonali

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #544 on: December 14, 2009, 10:42:32 AM »
aaron:

the magnetic shield is not the conventional one ,i have greatly increased the magnetic lines by covering south pole inside the north pole.
« Last Edit: December 14, 2009, 11:15:52 AM by winsonali »

winsonali

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #545 on: December 14, 2009, 10:56:25 AM »
aaron:
 here is the wave shape this is the method where non of the magnetic field are crossing each other and producing lens force free electric power even with fly wheel effect

non of the magnetic crossing in there motion no braking force just electric power generation.

the only problem is this is not conventional power it comes with spikes so we need to do more work.......

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #546 on: December 14, 2009, 12:26:46 PM »
Winsoali,

figure 4 I think is relevant in teh shieling you did - I guess:

http://www.leevalley.com/shopping/Instructions.aspx?p=54198

Regards

Mike


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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #547 on: December 14, 2009, 05:12:51 PM »
Wow Ali,

thanks for taking the time to post all this information.

Here is an interesting effect I just found a few hours ago while studying generator coil effects and possible solution to prevent Lenz Law in generator coils.

I have tested the coils in this flipped arrangement on a motor turning a magnet wheel and they produce just as good of output if not better then in normal mode but with next to no Lenz Law effect.

Link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTykNjDD0CM

Let me know what you think.

Luc
Hi Luc and Ali,
I see Luc has the same waveform as Ali
on his scope, when he just uses the side of his coils.

That is the right waveform but as the second coil
gets later the induction, it will probably not cancel Lenz´s law.

One trick to cancel a lot the Lenz law is to
short out  on/off the  coils very fast, when the magnet passes
by. ( at least 20 Hz shortout/open circuit rate, could be done with a buzzer relay
using a selfrunning relay( like doorbell relay ringer circuit) with using  the
additional relay switches)

This generates very high BackEMF spikes and these can be collected
via graetz bridge rectifier and cap.
When the coil is shorted out the Lenz drag is fully there and will
drive a current through the coil, but as soon as the coil
is opened it will generated a high voltage spike due to the stored
energy inside the coil and this could be captured.
And as the magnet ismoving on during this moment it
will make the induction voltage even higher and thus
the extracted spike energy gets bigger, but it will have no
drag during this moment.
So all in all you could reduce at least the Lenz drag by half and
have additionally a huge BackEMF collected spike energy output
rectified in the cap as DC voltage energy.

ALso you MUST use mechanical switches for
the best effect to take place.
Electronic switching is not good for it and it depends
on the contact materials used, what spike energy you can
get.
Best is to use graphite-copper for the contact material points.

Regards, Stefan.

winsonali

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #548 on: December 14, 2009, 05:40:14 PM »
stefan:

you reach to the core of the solution

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i was continuously switching t on and off there was not at all any effect on the speed with or without load  there is a key in my setup i have shield the south pole in north pole and even you move the disc by hand they keep on moving like a flywheel and produce output till it stops and never exerted any braking force  i am posting the pictures it might help you.

here i have done the switching very fast to get the proper cancellation of any lens force as well as braking effect

i used 10 coils in my setup very good output one coil in middle of magnets and one facing magnets. the collective output is converted to DC and then it is available uninterrupted

10 coils non moving mean no lose over slip ring or carbon brush

10 coils 5 magnets mean very high integration of phase cutting in other words

lets say 1500 RPM speed this is very easily achievable. 

10 coils * 5 magnets * 3 ( 3 phases on each magnets NS - SN - NS )

this means actual RPM ( rate of change of flux)  is 1500 * 10 * 5 * 3 = 225000 / 2 RPM

in simple words 5 magnets have three phases crossing 10 coils in one round well you can assume the rate of change of flux and resulting effect on voltage and power.

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #549 on: December 14, 2009, 05:45:56 PM »
Hi Ali,
many thanks for your latest pics and explanations.

to clarify:
Is the picture:


about your Genie or your coil-loudspeaker-magnet setup ?

P.S. Joe Newman is also using this principle.
He is opening the coil several times per revolution and collects the BackEMF
into a cap or into fluorescent tubes..

winsonali

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #550 on: December 14, 2009, 05:51:32 PM »
for all

to get more power through this setup just use a cycle wheel put as many magnets as possible  double the numbers of coils may be in a bicycle wheel you can easily fit 24 magnets and like wise 48 coils now assume what power you can get.
remember me in your prayers and enjoy ;)
if you need electronic controller for this setup just ask me i will send you details

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #551 on: December 14, 2009, 05:54:19 PM »
Here are the scope shots that Stefan is referring to.

Coil with no load:

http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad290/gotoluc/GeneratorCoiltest1a.png

same Coil with 10 Ohm load:

http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad290/gotoluc/GeneratorCoiltest1b.png

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #552 on: December 14, 2009, 06:00:34 PM »
gotoluc:

you are going in the right direction
i have just posted the setup for 24 magnets and 48 coils

let me finish my genie self running then i have a lot to show you guys

1) Energy saving electronics IRON with 84 watts only you can get heat equal to 1000 watt power.

2) resonating water heater no gas needed turn the tap on and get hot water min lose of energy




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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #553 on: December 14, 2009, 06:05:26 PM »
for all

to get more power through this setup just use a cycle wheel put as many magnets as possible  double the numbers of coils may be in a bicycle wheel you can easily fit 24 magnets and like wise 48 coils now assume what power you can get.
remember me in your prayers and enjoy ;)
if you need electronic controller for this setup just ask me i will send you details
Winsonali,
Your magnet shielding seems to be genial to me. Why I did not think the option out before!
I habe been trying to shield one of the poles of magnets, but they always get weaker fluxes. Now I will try to build a 5 magnet-10 coils setup and get the figures.
Will you be so kind to provide me details of the electronic controller for this setup? Many thanks and keep on your excellent work. You have a brilliant mind!

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #554 on: December 14, 2009, 06:12:27 PM »
Ali,

thank you for your encouragement, help and most of all sharing this knowledge.

Soon the less fortunate of the world will smile ;D as there is hope!

I will do this till my last berth or the energy control is over.

Luc