Author Topic: New invention of motion less generation of electric power (Read 350882 times)

FatChance!!! · « **Reply #345 on:** November 13, 2009, 04:27:10 PM »

This is where you are wrong Ali.
The center point between two batteries in series is always 0V compared to +12V and -12V.
AC is nothing but positive and negative polarities shifting around a center point.
If you don't get this then I seriously doubt you have reached any overunity in your device.

jan.kolar · « **Reply #346 on:** November 13, 2009, 04:39:33 PM »

Ali found out that his first concept is leading nowhere so he is trying to distract our attention from genie to some other "amazing" invention. Ali, why dont you close loop of your genie device i.e. use some portion of output energy to feed the input? You dont bother what others say because you have no arguments for them. Without critical thinking modern science could not achieve such extraordinary things like it did. But when someone uncritical admire comes you treat him in religious-style ("thank you brother" and so on). Sorry but this is my impression i would be glad if i am wrong.

Ali said: "this is a new unit please do not mix this with genie"
If you have found some new principle that could be used for energy generation then this should go to the new thread. Stefan can you give your opinion?

hartiberlin · « **Reply #347 on:** November 13, 2009, 04:45:19 PM »

Quote from: FatChance!!! on November 13, 2009, 04:27:10 PM

This is where you are wrong Ali.
The center point between two batteries in series is always 0V compared to +12V and -12V.
AC is nothing but positive and negative polarities shifting around a center point.
If you don't get this then I seriously doubt you have reached any overunity in your device.

Yes,you are right,
that is what I meant.
The centerpoint is 0 Volt and then you have
+12V and -12V.

That should be okay to design a working unit.

Otherwise Ali could already have used a 12 Volts DCto 240 Volts AC inverter-converter
and used this as his input and use at the output a 240 Volts AC to 12 Volts DC power supply.

If there really is this high gain, what he claims, then this would already run selflooped...

Ali, why donÂ´t you try to show us such a setup ?

winsonali · « **Reply #348 on:** November 13, 2009, 05:33:44 PM »

i am sure other have more knowledge then me over here
so i am trying to understand what they are saying the below figure may be explaining some reference points
changing the polarities of a DC battery we cannot change the zero reference and they cannot go below zero.

magnets and current produce through magnets have capability to generate below zero reference
transformers use electro magnetic waves , generators use electro magnetic waves
i have expanded my area of research in this new realm

wattsup · « **Reply #349 on:** November 13, 2009, 06:50:54 PM »

What the hell are you guys talking about. Since when is a center of two series batteries a zero point. Maybe in your dreams. If DC was so alike AC then Tesla would have been out of business since day one. In AC both outputs fall to zero at the same time, then go back up to maximum on the reverse side and so on. There is no positive and negative. lol

@winsonali

Maybe consider using a 12vdc battery running an inverter to supply your Genie. Anything to get off the regular grid will enable you to have a specific point of reference compared to your output, without having to use a watt meter, looking at a counter turning and then counting seconds, etc. That's not a good way.

But are you absolutely sure that you cannot just tap into your Genie circuit directly where the DC is required and simply use a battery bank?

Added;

Regarding measurements, the following is a good guideline. It is a long read but it is full of information that may be useful to you at this critical stage.

http://nzdl.sadl.uleth.ca/cgi-bin/library.cgi?e=d-00000-00---off-0hdl--00-0----0-10-0---0---0direct-10---4-------0-1l--11-en-50---20-about---00-0-1-00-0-0-11-1-0utfZz-8-00&a=d&cl=CL3.41&d=HASH86f8f67512ed24374cd21f.24

winsonali · « **Reply #350 on:** November 13, 2009, 07:58:58 PM »

wattsup

thanks for understanding

i am just working for the input of genie the output of genie is just like any inverter so it can not be feed backed
i have tried all only possibility with out a dimmer is a transformer based circuit then we can feed back. Everything in this world has its limitations

during the course of developing that input feed i decided to try different things so i am doing this and i hope with the support and knowledge base coming from forum and my own ingenuity i will achieve the target soon. Some adverse comments from member of the forum is the price of knowledge we are gathering

still i am thirsty for my quest regarding magnetic fields and their effects

winsonali · « **Reply #351 on:** November 13, 2009, 08:04:19 PM »

wattsup:

thankyou once again this link is very usefull and full of knowledge
others should also read that link

FatChance!!! · « **Reply #352 on:** November 13, 2009, 09:19:45 PM »

Quote from: wattsup on November 13, 2009, 06:50:54 PM

What the hell are you guys talking about. Since when is a center of two series batteries a zero point. Maybe in your dreams. If DC was so alike AC then Tesla would have been out of business since day one. In AC both outputs fall to zero at the same time, then go back up to maximum on the reverse side and so on. There is no positive and negative. lol

You are wrong and I'm sorry to shatter your missconception on AC vs DC with a midpoint.
Using two batteries or any other DC source where you are shifting the polarities by electronics
will create an output just as you say where "both outputs fall to zero at the same time".
The midpoint mentioned is simply the level where the output meet each other when they have fallen.
This is regular knowledge and produced by all analog amplifiers in every TV or Stereo.
The shape, rise/fall time determines whether the AC is categorized as Sinus, Square or Triangular wave.

The simplest way to create AC from a single DC source (no midpoint) is using a bridge connected
power amplifier where the input is 60Hz and 180 degrees shifted sinus from a frequency generator.
Then connect your device right between the outputs and you have your own AC source that is
totally adjustable both in frequency and voltage.

jan.kolar · « **Reply #353 on:** November 13, 2009, 09:33:11 PM »

Quote from: wattsup on November 13, 2009, 06:50:54 PM

What the hell are you guys talking about. Since when is a center of two series batteries a zero point. Maybe in your dreams. If DC was so alike AC then Tesla would have been out of business since day one. In AC both outputs fall to zero at the same time, then go back up to maximum on the reverse side and so on. There is no positive and negative. lol

I think we should recapitulate some basic theory of electromagnetism. We should distinguish between electric potential and electric voltage. These are two different things. If we are talking about electric potential then we should know that choice of place with zero potential is arbitrary!!! So it doesnt matter if we choose zero potential in central, bottom or top wire. Electric voltage which is potential difference will be the same in all three cases. I agree with FatChance!!! and Stefan that if we want negative&positive voltage at the same time then reference point should be in center (provided that we are using two 12V batteries). The negative voltage we obtain in bottom wire is principally the same we could get from grid (neglecting that AC is time dependent and changes polarity 50 times per second). No new quality if we use negative voltage from grid its the same as from battery.

winsonali · « **Reply #354 on:** November 13, 2009, 11:22:54 PM »

i am so dump i never knew this is so simple that we set the reference zero by ourselves and can set it any where
i wish this knowledge will lead the power supply manufacturers and they stop using 79XX as negative regulators and circuit designer start using this techniques as mentioned in earlier posts

winsonali · « **Reply #355 on:** November 14, 2009, 12:02:00 AM »

i have just made a diagram to understand the +VE and -VE supply difference i think this a practical approach

Groundloop · « **Reply #356 on:** November 14, 2009, 12:20:06 AM »

@winsonali,

If you want +9VDC and -9VDC with a common ground then here is how you do it.

Groundloop.

tinu · « **Reply #357 on:** November 14, 2009, 12:23:45 AM »

@winsonali,

OMG!

Is it so?!

Why did you turn the second battery up-side down?! Is it lead-acid? Be aware, it may leak on the floor etc.

Wouldn't be better to keep it the way producer recommends?

Ali, Ali, I don't get how possibly you could master electronics the way you do if a simple AC signal slips through your fingers!

winsonali · « **Reply #358 on:** November 14, 2009, 01:07:31 AM »

i agree with most of the ideas i am working hard to develop some supply that can replace dimmer

Groundloop · « **Reply #359 on:** November 14, 2009, 01:14:07 AM »

@winsonali,

If you want to run your circuit from a battery(s) and need 230VAC clipped via a triac dimmer
then use a true sinus 12 (or 24) volt unit that converts the battery voltage to a true sinus
AC voltage. Connect a triac dimmer on the output of the converter and you have what
you want.

Groundloop.

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