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winsonali

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #330 on: November 05, 2009, 12:37:12 PM »
there are changes in results coz of one reason only

i changed the circuit and software multiple times and avoid current input through when output is flowing

this coz a change in behavior of circuits continuously

i am on improvement track there is no double face what ever i have created , developed have its own value and its a complete solution for stabilized AC output which operate only from 40~ 50 volts
this is a required product  in third world countries...


i really don't care, if my product is safe in operations and i get compliance as a CE approved product
i am happy....

you people are so intelligent that in blink of an eye you can figure out what is going on.....
i simply asked do you have any thing like this with you please present....
 
« Last Edit: November 05, 2009, 01:22:08 PM by winsonali »

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #331 on: November 05, 2009, 12:43:24 PM »
be constructive , pass ideas that can help , remember  aircraft takeoff in opposite direction to air... so i don't mind negative comments but when they are unjust we have to respond them politely.....

some very senior member from the forum asked me if they can visit and test the device
 my response to him was welcoming and  i am willing to show them. Stefan knows about it

At first place there were problems due to switching overlapping between input and out, current spikes were generating and now i have controlled them by technique posted earlier (isolated input and output through software) with the passage of time i am perfecting them...

some other people are schedule to see the device over the week end, some are already testing on street lights , refrigerators and heaters.... they all are under 1000watts at the moment. 

its a worldly thing and some matter of time when product will be ready .....
this is my last post of the day i am going out now
« Last Edit: November 05, 2009, 01:25:24 PM by winsonali »

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #332 on: November 05, 2009, 02:10:22 PM »

@Mark
Why your experts dont use their measurement techniques and publish their results? I think that Ali is playing with us double-face game.
The tests conducted were done professionally and it was agreed that the results would remain confidential prior to testing. We were there not to prove Ali right or wrong but to assist in progressing the project. After testing Ali immediatley went to work to develop  solutions to questions raised and purchased more professional equipment. He is a very honest person and not all things are as black and white as they seem. I have every confidence that he will progress this much further in the next few weeks.
Kind Regards
Mark

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #333 on: November 05, 2009, 03:20:43 PM »
The tests conducted were done professionally and it was agreed that the results would remain confidential prior to testing. We were there not to prove Ali right or wrong but to assist in progressing the project. After testing Ali immediatley went to work to develop  solutions to questions raised and purchased more professional equipment. He is a very honest person and not all things are as black and white as they seem. I have every confidence that he will progress this much further in the next few weeks.
Kind Regards
Mark

But what is reason for publishing halfway results? I cant say with certainty after seeing video if its overunity or no. Why Ali dont tell all the details regarded testing? For example type of measurement device used and wiring scheme? Maybe the measuring instrument is constructed only for low-frequency appliances. Why such crucial details are being concealed? I have interest to learn something new but its impossible with such approach. Some informations from Ali are inconsistent. Analyzing output data it seems that voltage & current are RMS values but Ali said that 5A on input is maximum value of input current (Quote: "the input device getting peak 5.0 amps for only micro seconds"). So what are these devices really measuring? RMS or peak value?
I accept his decision not to say everything but why is he visiting public forum like overunity.com? If he has no interest to open-source his invention he shouldnt come here because concealing informations is against spirit of this place.

winsonali

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #334 on: November 05, 2009, 03:41:26 PM »
mark is the pivotal role in my progress i gain knowledge because of him
if i  haven't been here i wouldn't have learn so much
i will pass the benefit to everyone let us make our end completed as i have mentioned previously i will send the schematic to some of the forum members soon i will add you name in the list as well this is learning and sharing

Mark you have made me reach to this level
thanks

allcanadian

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #335 on: November 05, 2009, 03:55:42 PM »
@jankolar
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Ali is only muddlying water nothing more. Maybe his device is ingenious but i dont believe on overunity. He has not answered the main question: Where this additional energy should be coming from? I dont accept his analogy with siphon because this phenomenon is very well understood by science, no energy gain here. If he would made plan of his device public then experienced members of this forum with apparatus needed could quickly confirm or refuse overunity effect.

You seem to be making an awful lot of assumptions considering you have no idea what Ali is doing? I believe Ali is here because he wants to share his progress with others so we all might learn in the process, right or wrong his effort is a noble one. Let's address your question---"Where this additional energy should be coming from?", The first mistake is assuming their is extra energy. If I have a car and I modify the engine to get 20mpg above factory specifications, have I gained energy? No, I have improved the efficiency and wasted less fuel, this is not a gain-- it is less losses and there is a difference. Let me put it to you this way, conventional domestic AC wastes almost 100% of the energy transferred--- what you consider as 100% efficiency is in fact closer to 2% efficiency because you have continuously discharged the source. Even a cave man knows better than this,lol, do you think a cave man would light a fire(create a potential difference) take some heat then throw water on it---then re-light the fire/pour water on it and repeat this cycle? I have a very good idea what Ali is doing as I have been building circuits along these lines for quite a while and he is correct with his siphon analogy. James Clerk Maxwell once said--- we can view the forces we measure in a mechanical sense and in this respect I mean to be taken literally. I think the reason you have no idea what Ali is doing is because you will not consider his perspective, to understand his thoughts on this matter.
Regards
AC
« Last Edit: November 05, 2009, 04:29:12 PM by allcanadian »

jan.kolar

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #336 on: November 05, 2009, 04:24:46 PM »
Let's address your question---"Where this additional energy should be coming from?", The first mistake is assuming their is extra energy. If I have a car and I modify the engine to get 20mpg above factory specifications, have I gained energy? No, I have improved the efficiency and wasted less fuel, this is not a gain-- it is less losses and there is a difference. Let me put it to you this way, conventional domestic AC wastes almost 100% of the energy transferred--- what you consider as 100% efficiency is in fact closer to 2% efficiency because you have continuously discharged the source.

Laws of science are verified by long-term practical appliances. Where is this unknown huge bulk of energy many times more than we are using every day? Point to the equation in electrical theory that you think is wrong? Why this flaw has not manifested as some anomaly in laboratories all around the world? Transfer of electric energy from source to load is described by Poynting vector ExH. To make H there must be electric current flowing from source.

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #337 on: November 05, 2009, 05:57:16 PM »
The "laws of science" are have so many exceptions it could better be named "the laws of oil company and central bankers profit."

The laws of science are a house of cards that are going to collapse when people figure out that acceleration converts mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass and that is how all free energy devices work.

I don't know if this device works or how, but I wish the inventor well and thank him for sharing his information openly. That is something that I can support and the type of person I would want to help.

winsonali

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #338 on: November 12, 2009, 01:49:17 AM »
Hello all,

i was working and finalizing the independent and self running unit where you need not to have a dimmer

this is a new unit please do not mix this with genie

i have developed a model which can produce electric power without inter crossing the magnetic field

in a generator motor most of the power consumed is due to the inter crossing  magnetic fields if you  require more current means more power full magnetic field and this means more mechanical energy required to inter cross the polarities to generate current
i have successfully achieved the method of  generating electric power without inter crossing the magnetic fields my method is in initial stage i have just produced 1volt 500 milliamps with very small size of this new device once  i will produce 30 to 40 volts that will be feeded in genie to produce 240 volts through that device

My question and help needed is
to produce electric power i am using non magnetizeable material in a magnetic environment

if any one can send some links to magnetic properties of materials (like alloys of aluminium , zinc and brass etc) so i can make use of some more better material for my experiments
 
please send me links, if you have knowledge of any device of this type that produce electricity through a magnet without inter crossing the magnetic fields


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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #339 on: November 12, 2009, 02:46:06 AM »
Hi Ali,
sounds great.

Is this already 0.5 Watts of power or does the voltage drop,
if you draw 500 milliamps of current ?

Exactly for what parameters of the materials are you looking for ?

For the conductivity or permeability or what exactly ?

Many thanks.

teslaalset

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #340 on: November 12, 2009, 09:13:34 AM »

My question and help needed is
to produce electric power i am using non magnetizeable material in a magnetic environment

if any one can send some links to magnetic properties of materials (like alloys of aluminium , zinc and brass etc) so i can make use of some more better material for my experiments
 

Ali, maybe below link is what you want?
http://www.tpub.com/content/NAVFAC/hdbk419a_vol2/hdbk419a_vol20181.htm

Have you thought about possible Eddy Currents that may effect your device?
Eddy Currents may cause extra loss in case you move non magnetic metals in static magnetic fields, or use static non magnetic materials in moving magnetic fields.
In particular cases it helps using materials in thin layers (laminated) to decrease losses caused by Eddy Currents.
« Last Edit: November 12, 2009, 10:48:21 AM by teslaalset »

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #341 on: November 12, 2009, 02:21:22 PM »
@winsonali

I have followed your video and a good part of this thread. I like the basic idea of your device.

I am assuming that the operation of Genie's main circuit is DC as you say 40 volts. So why not just run it with 4 x 12vdc x 7amp batteries and do away with the 240AC feed requirement, then show your demo with rising, falling or steady battery voltage. If the voltage drops, refine it. If it does not drop, bingo. Or show two demos, one with 48vdc batteries driving a number of lamps at very low brightness without the genie showing how fast the voltage drops on the batteries. Then another demo with the genie showing the lamps very bright and battery voltage not dropping at all or not as fast.

This will get the main point across to both high level and most importantly low level techs (like me) to quickly understand it.

The batteries could also give you a place to land any flyback, should there be any in your system.

The problem with running AC and a watt meter is that people will always say the harmonics created by the Genie is tricking the watt meter readings. This would not be the first time. Only once your device can operate with an easy to show DC feed, that people will then accept the AC feed via a step down transformer and an AC to DC bridge rectifier.

Also, if you plan to make another video, maybe consider speaking a little slower, try pronouncing your words fully and it will not look like you are trying to sell the next Miracle Knife or ShamWow Towel. In such a video you are not speaking to your local friends but to the world. The aim of any such video is viewer comprehension so please take my comment as only a constructive criticism.

As for your request for suggestions on non magnetizable material, if it has to be a metal, of course aluminum would be the first to look at but what about titanium?

I am a fan of what you are doing and would consider purchasing a genie device when it is available to test it out and then buy some more afterward.

All the best.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2009, 12:17:37 AM by wattsup »

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #342 on: November 13, 2009, 09:19:58 AM »
Teslaalset

Yes i was looking for the same information you have given...thank you

in all generators one part is always stationary.

I was basically designing input section of genie without a dimmer with AVR capability then i think about using permanent magnet in a transformer that experiments failed and i saw number of patents dating 1954, to 1978 and i also review Tom Beardom's MEG i realize something is not right in this method and i developed this new technique of using magnetic field with out inter crossing and produce good  use able electric power. These are really new lines of working with magnetic fields this involves highly precise sensing circuits and software

 Few results of my experiments raised these questions

1) what is the speed of magnetic lines
1A) what is the frequency of magnetic lines.
1B)  what is the resonant frequency of any magnetic material.
1B) an aluminum wire coated with silver offer good conductivity(current travel on surface area), but eddy current is highly reduced

2) why a stationary magnet do not produce eddy current or electro magnetic current in a coil which law define this part?
3)  an air core coil when in operation produce and offer electronic characteristic showing blocking AC current, exhibiting current lagging , LC circuit acts like pendulum , but it don't attract metal as a magnet until and unless it has some permeable material experiencing its current flow

in my experiments i am developing methods for  reducing the eddy current loses, inter crossing of magnetic forces even then you can generate good amount of electric current
these are really new lines of working with magnetic field This involves highly precise sensing circuits and software



Wattsup:

thank you brother for your support.
in my circuit we are siphoning current we require negative current below zero and positive current as well just like in a single phase line due to this reason we cannot directly feed DC current into genie

i listen to every one very patiently and don't mind what they are saying i take good knowledge from there discussions
all the above discussion is coz may be some one out there working in the same area can give me good advice or by looking at my work can improve his own work in either way we are helping a community looking for developing green energy
i will send unit free of cost to you before releasing in market coz every single word of support and knowledge is a contribution toward development
   

a simple question to everyone this is leading towards new concepts
why we use aluminium disk in a power meter?



     
« Last Edit: November 13, 2009, 09:57:04 AM by winsonali »

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #343 on: November 13, 2009, 02:29:51 PM »
Hi Ali,
why don´t you use 2 x 12 Volts Batteries in series for your input
and use one battery for the positive input and one battery for the negative
input ?

This way you have positive, ground=connection of both batteries in the center
and negative potential.

So where is the problem ?

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: New invention of motion less generation of electric power
« Reply #344 on: November 13, 2009, 04:20:23 PM »
hertiberlin:
DC batteries always generate zero or positive
they never have below zero level, inverted polarities do show on meters -ve pole but they are reverse polarity not below zero level
we need negative and zero